Discovery Channel Purchases DELETED from Playstation.. How can we protect digital purchases?
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- Опубліковано 19 чер 2024
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VIDEO INDEX:
00:00 - Intro
00:39 - Discovery Content Removed on December 31
01:55 - Solution 1 : Direct Capture?
02:27 - Solution 2: Purchase Physical Media - Benefits and Challenges
05:51 - Solution 3: Digital Codes, MoviesAnywhere and Disc 2 Digital
07:07 - Solution 4: Ripping Physical Media
08:02 - Solution 5: Vudu Disc to Digital
08:57 - Solution 6: Playon Streaming Service Recorder
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How is it legal that Sony & Warner Bros Discovery can take purchased content away from users? Read the fine print of Sony's TOS:
"Unless as otherwise stated in this Agreement, SCEA, at its sole discretion, may indefinitely suspend, or discontinue any and all online access to content at any time, including for maintenance service or upgrades, without prior notice or liability."
This is par from the course when "purchasing" digital media. You own nothing other than a license that can be revoked anytime they want for any reason.
I understand it the same way you do. (Sigh...) Best to get discs...or...go outside in the Sun, rain, or snow and just live a real life. We have to rediscover (see what I did there?) the real world around us and re-engage with that. No more studios, no more newsrooms. Just us humans, the flora and the fauna...all of us out under the sky. That is...until Sony and Discovery take THOSE away somehow😆🤣! Now...I'm off to my video space and watch my Criterion cope of "CE3K" on LaserDisc...and eat a little bit more of my soul,🤣!
BTW, I really enjoy your commentaries on NASA Spaceflight! Great work!
Aloha and take care!
I figured it out:
"Power does what it wants." - George Carlin
That's interesting wording of the TOS. According to you it says "suspend or discontinue any and all online access to content". To me that says there is nothing preventing me from downloading before they do so to keep the media. I would never have to access it online once this is done. However, I'm sure there's wording somewhere saying this isn't allowed.
this is theft period
I talked to a samsung rep that works at best buy since he works in the tv department, I asked the samsung rep is it really true that best buy will no longer sell physical copies of the discs and he told me that it's true due to the majority of consumers want to stream instead of own physical media since it's convenient. The samsung rep even said that physical media has become a niche for movies, music and video games since most consumers rather pay for streaming since its convenient. I even asked the samsung rep what will happen to the physical media disc players such as the 4k and blu ray disc players and he said that they will still be around and he is not allowed to go much into details when I asked further questions about physical media not being available anymore from best buy. I don't know if the samsung reps at best buy to sign a contract that limits on what they can discuss with the customers when the customers ask about certain questions and inquiring about certain things. I even asked a target employee that works at the electronics section, if there physical copies of movies like 4k and blu ray will not available in the stores. The target employee said yes because only a few people at a time that come in and buy the physical copy of the movies and most of the movies are just sitting on the store shelves. Now I know why the stores at target have really shrunk the selection of movies that they sell whether they are 4k, blu ray and dvd movies. To make matters worse, best buy and target for physical media for movies are barely on sale that much these days. There were better deals of 2022 of last year on black friday since best buy had sections of certain movies whether they were 4k, blu ray and dvd movies with certain prices at $9.99, 14.99 and $19.99. This year the selection of movies on black friday at best buy is very limited since the options for $9.99, $14.99 and $19.99 no longer existed this year. The same old movies last were cheaper and the same old movies this year, the prices went up by an extra $,5, 10 and even $15 for old movies that best buy was still selling from last year. I don't understand when selling the same products from last year, the prices went up this year for the same exact products with no difference at all. The only difference is the price increase. The only good thing about this year, the price of ssds have gotten cheaper and more affordable with more options from a variety of brands and manufacturers while everything else went up in price. If brick and mortar stores want to make more money, take things at a loss and sell more products that people can afford and most likely they will have the money to buy stuff as long as the prices are comparable to amazon or even cheaper than amazon, might as well take the risk. As the saying goes, great risk comes with great rewards.
A wise man once said "If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing"
YAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSS!!!!
Generally speaking, I'd say pay for what you consume so the creators are incentived to create more.
But in this case, I agree. This is a form of theft. You are entitled to steal it back, imo.
Not according to the law
Lol was that Louis?
I was gonna type this! ;)
The importance of buying physical media is not just so you can watch it whenever you want but also so you have an asset that you can resell years down the road if you no longer want to watch it instead of wasting money on digital. A few movies even increase in value on physical media, I just sold a Blu-ray earlier this week for $299.
This is very true. Most of my Nintendo Switch games are physical and their value holds up quite well.
And thanks to high capacity hard drives and things like Plex, it doesn't even have to mean compromising modern convenience or accessibility either - my wife and I have gotten so much more use out of our DVD collection ever since converting them into files that can be easily streamed off of the old desktop we have in the corner!
@@johnandmegh For me there’s also something more fun about building and personally curating your own library. I value the movies more.
A digital purchase has zero value because they will just pump them out in unlimited numbers. You buy a physical switch game and at some point they will stop producing them and when they do the games will take on a supply and demand derived value. Digital purchases are more expensive and companies will not transfer the licenses to anyone else even if that person is no longer on this earth plane. I bet when Bruce Willis 'pops his cloggs' all of his movies and music won't go to his relatives. I believe Apple will just delete his account since he's famous and they'll know he's no longer here unlike members of the public who shuffle off. Our relatives will likely be able to just use our passwords.
Facts. The number of Spotify and Amazon Music accounts that have been passed on to someone else via Living Will after death is exactly zero. If you want to be able to pass on something after death or transfer the ownership of to someone else, you actually have to have something in the first place. A license to consume content is not the same as owning the content.
If a company is going to take away content that I paid for then I won't have any qualms about pirating it. All these media companies are doing is making VPN providers a ton of money.
Blue Ray/UHD + Pioneer Blu Ray external drive + Licensed MakeMKV (developer deserves every penny they get) + Synology NAS. I just passed 30TB and still going. I use Plex to view all my media. Best of all, every single disc was legally purchased and safely stored away in case of disaster. Nothing beats owning physical media. Thanks again Lon!
We need to go to Congress to stop this companies from deleting something WE PURCHASED. Either they STILL support our purchases or they send us a phisical medis , being a Bluray or a USB drive or a SSD. They CAN'T delete a purchase, WE OWN IT!!
you will own nothing and you will be happy
remember?
They can refund us our purchase price.
the very simple concept of give and take.
the new concept is give give give.
The problem is, you _didn't_ buy it. You bought a license to watch it on that specific platform. The licensing terms always state that you're not buying the actual movie/show, only a license to watch the movie/show, and they always put in the terms that the movie/show may go away at any time in the future. This has all happened before, when music streaming services have shut down and everyone lost the music content that they'd paid for. No laws were passed back then to protect those people, and no laws will be passed now to protect us from this or future times when licensed content purchases disappear because big media controls our politicians more than the people that elected them do.
Good luck getting the US Congress to actually pass a law that the media megacorporations would find inconvenient.
@@gabakusaNo. The ONLY way that we could POSSIBLY own nothing and be happy is if our brains are addled by Soma!
*Soma:* Any government-sanctioned mind-altering drug whose purpose is to keep the "little people" in a chemical bliss. Named after just such a drug from "Brave New World" by Aldous Huxley.
I prefer to buy physical media over streaming. I own the discs rather than streaming as like Lon said, streaming companies can pull stuff you bought anytime they want regardless if you bought the streaming movie & show.
It took some time, but people saw this coming years ago and warned about it. Early on, I liked the idea of digital due to not having to store discs and all that, but I never really bought into it. It didn't take long to see the cracks develop. Back then, it was seeing things delisted out of nowhere with no warning. Luckily, I had already collected some things on DVD and blu ray, and started to do more of that as I went. I'm also lucky in that a lot of stuff I like is old, so it's often easier to get on disc. I have ripped a lot of stuff in recent years and setting up a media server has been pretty fun. My setup is quite basic as I don't need it to transcode on the fly, but it works very well for me.
They dont want to sell you "stuff" anymore. They want you to pay a monthly fee for "Access to stuff" so they have you on the hook financially forever.
I remember when streaming services was promoted as a way to cut the cord and get away from the big bad cable companies, but now streaming services have become even worse.
@@russellmania5349 if you haven't built your own library, best to do that or find other entertainment, which to be honest is probably the healthier, more sane route.
Piracy. The answer is piracy.
Yes, physical media has never been an option outside the US.
@@takehirolol5962 people pay for a digital license they expect it to work. this kind of crap is exactly why the piracy movement is so aggressive. Steam is the best example of how you do digital distribution to combat piracy without draconian tactics.
unfortunately, it is
Physical media is an amazing thing and it's not piracy.
@@RobHoffman83 Ok, but this does not solve the problem where someone paid for a thing or a service and now that is gone. This physical media trumpeting is more of a well you wouldn't have this problem if you had just bought all your media on a disc. Probably true. But its not right to expect the one who paid for the service to be the one to have taken corrective action. The publishers and license holders have created an environment where piracy will continue to be used by those unwilling to trust them, as they have earned no trust.
Basically .. it's fraud. "Purchasing" is a lie. You're not purchasing anything. You're renting, borrowing, or leasing.
Remember DIVX DVD from 25 years ago? Digital Media is EXACTLY what that was.
@@Tornado1994 more attempts to prevent ownership. They do not want us owning anything. Not enough repeat cash flow.
Right but they don't say "lease now" or "license now" they say "buy now" and that's misleading and fraudulent as you say. Scum.
@@youtubasoarus Exactly. You DON'T own it. You aren't actually buying it. You can no longer Collect it or Preserve it.
For digital purchases, that’s always been the case. And yet people are only realising that now? Wow
I buy physical media and rip like you described. Great practical video!
It's important to note that this is prohibited by the DMCA, since it circumvents encryption. In practice this doesn't really matter, but it is explicitly illegal for those who care about that sort of thing (which I assume physical media buyers do, otherwise why even buy it if you don't care about following the law)
This isn’t “Discovery”… this is Warner Bros. Discovery. And they have become so, SO anti-consumer. Zaslav needs to GO.
More like “HBO GO” away.
I also blame Sony. In fact, I blame them more. They had no right selling media if someone could come along and remove it from your library.
@@agenerichumanespecially since they want their own catalog of media
History and Discovery became intelligence melting nonsense decades ago, and nothing of value was lost.
😒They are now very desperate for funds. 🤦🏽♂️As it was for ATT, Warner Bros is turning out to be a bad purchase/merger for DISCOVERY.
...😒Which, it's is not surprising, considering they been releasing MOSTLY mid to awful content & at the same time (just like DISNEY), for yrs Warner been destroying their dedicated, paying existing fanbase of most of their established IP's.
Although the company has way better chance of coming out it than Disney. ....Their monster verse, Barbie, Game of Thrones.. etc.
& Discovery's Shows are more bankable. Among other things.
🤔But Zaslav is all about the💰.
So, unless they are close to getting out of debt or legally force to, ...i doubt the anti consumer practices is going to stop.
......& I doubt Zaslav is going anywhere.
... Because the vast Majority of the CEO's, the management & producers before he came were horrible & was responsible for putting the company in it's current position, or making it much worse.
...Like what happened too Crunchyroll, ..It's more likely that Warner or parts of it might get licensed or sold off (possibly DC entertainment & comics).
Amazing this comes up as I finally go through with building a home media server. I appreciate you mentioning the alternatives. And look forward to reading comments from some of the more intelligent viewers of this channel.
I have been collecting DVDs and Bluray discs for years. My library has over 13,000 discs. I can watch them anytime I want. I like to buy combo-packs of DVD & Bluray whenever possible. Often when I really liked a movie in a theater, I will pre-order the release version from Amazon. I don't bother with 4K. My player and TV upscale sufficiently for my satisfaction. DVDs are easy to put my favorites on my computer using an old program called "AnyDVD" (no longer updated) and "Handbreak" together. I do like to repeat-watch certain things - especially seasonal (like Christmas) things when their time of year comes around. It's just like having a book in-hand instead of relying on a web site to read a story. May I be allowed to twist a common phrase? - "A disc in hand is worth two on a streaming service".
Wow 13K discs in your collection, and I thought I had a lot with a measly 1500 DVDs\Blu-ray. RedFox still updates AnyDVD HD which includes backing up Blu-ray. Of Course backing up BR discs requires Terabytes of HDD space. My media server currently has a total of 28TB on a unRaid server.
you better have a really good insurance policy on that investment
I quickly lost interest in 4K. Sure, it may look nice, but at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter to me.
Not all physical media is manufactured with high standards and quality materials. I have more than a thousand DVD, Blu-ray and 4k Blu-ray and there is this problem called rot. Thís the reason I started putting my collection in platforms, but this news are very bad for collectors of any kind of movies or TV programs. We own, but don't own at the same time. Krazy!!
Note to consumers: Physical media is the way to go. It can't just disappear overnight.
But what about the media that'll never be physical?
Yes, you might be able to still buy physical media, but buying a player for it is becoming harder and harder. When I was at Walmart last, I had a hard time finding a Blu-ray player let alone one that does 4k HDR.
Well, it can. But at least then you can file a police report and check your homeowners deductible!
@@matthewjbauer1990 I'm very confused by this statement. Wal mart sells the xbox, playstation etc which read blu-rays... if you want something special for whatever reason you can order it online which I know you can do since you just made an internet comment lmao
@@kelownatechkid I was referring to in store only and also not to game consoles. Most people trying to preserve media on Blu-ray isn't going to buy a PS5 or Xbox just to play their movies. Even with the new PS5, the Blu-ray drive is an optional extra.
I hope that you will feel better Lon.
getting there!
Thank you! I was starting to feel I was alone in the playon software issue.
One slight correction however. This is their second time pulling this. Playon was originally a product that worked with Windows Media Center. I purchased a lifetime license then only to have my license killed when the product evolved into a streaming DVR. Then it happened again when they changed into a cloud DVR.
I won't give them my business again.
I'll always take physical media over streaming only. This goes for music as well since streaming music services can and do remove certain songs or artists based on some legal issues. Another thing is that you can buy used DVD's and Blurays for super cheap too if you can wait a while. I have bought full movies for a few bucks from flea markets or Half Price Books.
That is why I only buy physical media, or use a capture card to record other recorded shows to my computer.
Hi Lon. Thanks for your videos. We still have our Laser Discs.😊 We buy still buy DVD BR discs so we can watch them over and over if we want. I, too, purchased the lifetime membership to PlayOn. It will still record from the sites that the subscription allowed. Just not in higher quality. I just recorded from Netflix using it this past week. I view it on a HD TV but I have not tried to watch it on a 4K TV so I don't mind the difference in resolution. I still has some recording use for me without having to pay their new subscription fees.
Glad you're on the mend Lon!
The options you suggest are not offered all over the world. In Europe the film option is not available.
I bought that lifetime license from PlayOn back in 2014 but it would frequently fail to record from streaming services because the sites were updating their DRM, I assume. So I just gave up on it.
This is why you need to purchase new or used Physical media ASAP as this can happen to AMY online sources who control what is on and NOT online!
Plus, I have a Video DVR connector and transferring old VHS media to digital.
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1:55 OSB and capture cards won't capture HDCP content, unless you have equipment that strips or bypasses it, but I would guess the general public probably don't have this type of set up.
Physical media is still king. I’ve gotten tired of online purchases “disappearing” or being retroactively edited/censored without notice. For me the only media worth buying now are physical discs.
Hey lon sent you an email about UHD bluray drives im the guy who wrote that UHD guide and made the DE firmware very cool to see it here
I have a patched LG UHD drive, but I already worry about what I will do when it dies.
@@john_in_phoenix get a pioneer they are much more reliable i sell them
Digital media purchases should be protected by the federal government.
Sounds nice but generally speaking the government doesn't have much to do with personal contracts. Which people sign/agree to when they use these proprietary services/consoles. The same can be said about a physical item. If you buy an item from me but at the same time sign a contract/agreement with me that says I can take it back whenever I want it becomes quite difficult to argue someone is in the wrong.
My suggestion to people is to not use the services. Voting with wallets works. Not using these services is a perfectly viable solution. They are not necessary to live or thrive. A lot of people don't like it but it's a form of democracy using money as a ballot.
Things like this are why I am a physical media Linux user. Linux doesn't have any shady agreements. There is also the high seas. Sometimes I think it's morally right to use them in many cases. Like when talking Nintendo and the trash ass stuff they do to the emulation community.
@@Falsechicken Using contract law for the sole purpose of circumventing around rights is wrong on itself for these kind of things, so we need a law to not allow certain companies to use contract laws trying to gain random revoke possibility. There is a reason why the term "unfair contract terms" exist for some places.
I lov3 my physical movies. Love when they come with digital copies to for on the go. Would you or have done a review on your laser disc stuff?!
These companies definitely know that most consumers would probably venture into the high seas. They know that and they're gonna take that L. I think what they are banking on is that in the future, a controlling body (the government, internet policy, etc) can finally regulate the high seas so effective that consumers have no choice but to adapt to what is already a norm by then. They planting the seeds now.
There's actually an analytics firm that measures the height of those high seas for studios to get a sense of how their content is performing!
For the most part, I don't think studios care about those high seas any more, as long as someone isn't reselling what they acquire. In the 90's and 00's, the majority of people accessing digital content were tech savvy enough to know how to make copies and share them out to friends, which cost the company sales. Now, the vast majority of people that access digital content wouldn't know how to program a VCR let alone how to download and use the tools needed to skim streams off the services and share them out to others. To the media companies, it's a cost/benefit analysis of how much does it cost to enforce compared to how much they're losing. If one out of a thousand of the people subscribed to their service know how to obtain copies of a video stream and only use it for themselves and not make copies to sell to others, then it's not worth the money for them to pursue it.
And the other thing is if you have something on VHS that never made it to DVD or home movies, you also need to get a machine that can burn them onto a disc to convert into files. I don't know if there are ones where you can convert directly from the video tape.
I’ve been using a program called Audials Movie for video content. Like the other one, it records the ads and says that it doesn’t circumvent the DRM.
Minor correction to your closing comment: we’re coming up on a decade of being able to purchase permission to watch or listen to digital content, subject to the whims of the actual owner.
"We thank you for your continued support."
It's like they can't comprehend that customers would stop buying their products for any reason.
With games, will your save content and DLC still be available?
Also, if you upload to the cloud, wouldn't you still have the game?
People need to make noise publically in mass and they'll cave and refund. But if you don't make a stink and they'll roll over you. It's like the cyberpunk mess. They only refunded when a holy hell public stink was made. That said i don't buy any of this stuff off of networks.
Here in Sweden, discovery has its own streaming service. but the ownership relationships are perhaps partially different, i.e. who is the owner or who is responsible for the service
Gee its almost as if the physical media people were right all along.
"The convience you demanded is now mandatory"
I’ve been just buying physical media, I had an idea something like this was gonna happen when all the newer streaming services started popping up. If I can I will go out of my way to get it physically whether or not is a dvd or a 4k Blu-ray etc. There are a few really good second have websites that sell dvd’s at a fair price.
But you should be able to copy the disc without any compression or conversion. If you want the best possible picture and sound. A web page says Accordingly, the maximum bitrate for TrueHD in the Blu-Ray specs is 18.64 Mbps, whereas it's 24.5Mbps for DTS-HD MA . But this may apply when the sound is 24 bit and at least 96 kHz, for example if it is a music performance
I purchased some e-books and music from Microsoft Store (aka Windows store) then one day they stopped the service. I got refund from all my purchases. Not sure about this situation but I hope Sony / Discovery should refund their customers.
Same with me. A long time ago, I bought a series of fitness videos digitally from the Microsoft Store. When Microsoft eventually lost the license for those videos, they refunded the amount I had paid for them. Sony really should do the same thing for their customers. If they then want to take Warner Bros. to court to recoup those refund costs, then that's fine. But they need to do right by their customers first.
If you use Movies Anywhere, and download from that can you watch those files with any player and is that a good way to keep your purchases?
Even your content on Movies Anywhere can have the license removed and your ability to watch it that way.
If you stream it, you dont own it. Even if you buy a "digital copy," you still dont own it. Buy physical media. Blu-rays, DVDs, even music CDs (they still make new music CDs of every major release).
I purchased Cyberpunk 2077 and Life is Strange: True Colors on physical media for my Xbox. Due to critically needed patches to play Cyberpunk, my disc is worthless. True Colors arrived with essentially an installation disc that required a download for the rest of the game. In both instances, despite buying physical copies, I am still beholden to the whims of digital content. Day 1 patches for games are unfortunately expected. While my example is software and not video, where owning a disc is more future proof, my point is that even physical media is not truly ownership.
Cyberpunk was a huge mess from the start and a very rare exception. It might be different on the Xbox, but games on the PS5 and nintendo Switch are usually complete.
Plex, and I rip everything in .mkv format as well. I also have an LG HD drive that handles the 4k content (later versions of the same drive removed the 4k capability). Honestly I have used the disk to digital for a long time as well. Had to buy a new NAS just this year, now I have 3 NAS.
Remember when it was a “Conspiracy Theory” that “they” could remotely delete stuff off your computer (this case PlayStation)?
I have had Playon since 2007 and still use it on windows 8 box and all the features still work fine with most of the streaming services that existed at that point through windows 10. It does not work on W11. The new services do not exist, so I use the new service to get Disney and the newer services you had to use the new version. It works just like OBS but lets you schedule the times you want to record and keeps up with series, que recordings etc.. OBS requires you to start and stop the stream. While I was upset when they stopped supporting the old lifetime software, they did not really kill it so technically they are no different than Android and IOS. You can use either as long as you want a lifetime, but you may not get any new features.
What keeps them legal is they are a true DVR and the recordings are real time if it's a Disney 3-hour movie it will take 3 hours to get the recording. Then I move them to PLEX.
What you're describing is still illegal, BTW. Just because it's in real time doesn't mean it avoids circumventing encryption (widevine, HDCP, etc.) which is explicitly prohibited by the DMCA. Save your sanity and just use normal methods to acquire that content from p2p, the only thing you're accomplishing is a bloated, re-encoded file that wastes your time and electricity.
@@kelownatechkid Nope, you are simply 100% wrong. Playon has been out there doing this for over 15 years and NO ONE has sued them. Why? Simply: Their method is protected by the Home Recording Act of 1986 (I'm not 100% sure about the year - but that is the legislation). I'm old enough to remember when it was passed. The content is literally "played" in the PC and "recorded" in EXACTLY the same way (legally) that a VCR or TIVO worked so many years ago. Encryption is not circumvented - so the DMCA simply doesn't apply. Netflix and Amazon are massively bigger than Playon and have a lot more lawyers - so if you are correct, just how in the world are they still around? Content providers have not bothered suing because they know they would lose - plus, as you point out, most people like the convenience of having content stored at Netflix or Amazon and simply streaming it.
Of course, if someone were to try distributing content recorded with Playon that would be a violation of copyright and actionable.
On a larger scale this is like selling you a car the repossessing it because of the fine print in the original contract. Maybe a timed device that would automatically drain oil transmission and coolant fluid under the hood that would activate as they are legally stealing your car. Maybe underground elements could target these type of thieves via pieces of data.
Nothing like that.
One is a tangible product you own.
The other is a time limited digital licence with an indefinite end date.
Previous such services providing online content within the UK found alternate sources (where possible) at no cost to the end user.
This is why I refuse to buy digital content. This is far from the first time its happened. This is why i buy physical media and just rip myself to have on Plex.
I have received the same email from playstation because I've downloaded some free tv episodes from the playstation store that I can't even play anymore. All of my media is either VHS (yes VHS) DVD and digital files which are DRM free and play anywhere. Most were downloaded years ago.
I don't think it applies when you buy albums from Qobuz. then I think you can transfer it to a regular hard drive USB stick or maybe even burn it to disc. also if you buy an album from HD tracks. shouldn't there be any equivalent even if you buy movie downloads
"Format shifting" is a term used to describe copying content from one technological format to another. Some examples of format shifting include making a copy of a music CD to store on an IPod, or making a DVD copy of a VHS tape of a film.
That's exactly why the music industry purposefully killed off the CD and is now shoving vinyl down our throats at $35 a pop. Don't get me wrong vinyl is cool, but the convenience of being able to rip a CD to a .flac file and store it on a hard drive beats vinyl any day. Music that is purchased through streaming services like Amazon Music is crammed with DRM which means you can't use it without having to go through Amazon Music.
I've always hated the idea of games/movies being digital "property", mostly for this exact same reason. You aren't owning anything physical and you have less of a chance of it disappearing/being deleted as a physical copy sitting on a shelf.
Sure, it's convenient and it saves a tonne of money with a bazillion games to download for dirt cheap but unless it's something where once you've paid to download it, there should be absolutely zero connection between it and the source.
That reminds me. It is time to build a new PLEX server and continue to RIP my physical media.
I run plex too with a couple thousand movies. The biggest feature missing in plex is the ability to play a DVD\BR disc or ISO. Ideally Plex would mount an ISO and then control playback. From what I have read, it is not likely to happen. Backing up movies an importing them into Plex is OK, but missing is all the extras in one place.
@@nrnoble you can rip a whole DVD including the extras. There is software that does this. WinDVD Ripper Platinum and Wonderfox DVD ripper can are easy to use and sometimes even be installed for free during certain holiday giveaways.
I protect my digital purchases 🏴☠️like this lon
Technically when one buys physical media they are just buying the license to privately watch it at home, one isn't actually buying the media itself. But the difference between physical media and digital media is that it's very easy to take away what you bought (like this situation for example) and it's all but impossible to track down every piece of physical media if they decided to take it away. They aren't going house to house or anything. So buying the physical media it's safe.
Companies like WB/D didn’t sign the same deals for streaming like they did for Disk. In disk the actors etc get paid a percentage of each sale where on digital since it stays online they keep paying fees and so to avoid that companies are taking down things that are not getting a lot of play.
What a mess! :-(
FTC needs to get involved. If the store page use the word "buy" than they need to offer alternative ways for costumers to access the content they purchase.
Handbrake is good. Tdarr is better.
Also if I remember correctly D2D(disc to digital) limits users to 100 disc's per year.
How am I preserving? I'm a data hoarder now, over 100TB. Also if the whole streaming thing gets worse, just remember that there is a backup of almost every piece of content on the internet. Just make sure to use a VPN 😉
Honestly, I have an encoding prompt so specific that I actually need to use FFmpeg. It encodes video as h.264 4:2:2 at 80% the native resolution, while passing the audio through.
With a batch manager like Eibolsoft's "FFmpeg Batch AV Converter", it only takes a 6 hours to complete 10 hours of video with my prompt.
MakeMKV or go home
Is Amazon a good place to buy dvds
Amazon, ebay, tag sales, thrift shofts they're all over!
I store the copy of my physical Blu-rays as ISO file on my external HDD drive. I mount those copies later if needed for playback.
I'm still old school, I avoid buying digital media whenever possible. The only digital media I buy is through Steam.
Remember there is also GOG!
I agree. Steam has proven itself to be a good experience for users and I do like using it. Because of the nature of games these days with giant updates and patches, I think digital distribution makes a lot more sense for games. And GOG is great because once you download the installer for a game, you own it without even an internet connection needed for installation.
I like the Star Wars Clone Wars blurays, great picture and an unreleased arc in season 6. Not to mention other bonus features.
I wish i can buy physical discs but in my country you have to pay double prices to have it shiped to your country since amazon and e-bay doesn't exsist, and not all games are available only westren games japanese games rarely availble so the only option left for me is digital.
Also, what i do to preserve my digital purchase is nothing, if i pay is only for Physical edition, being games, comics, books or movies.
I do have digital games but they are f2p, giveaways or online-only games. So when they disappear im ok with it.
I have some pc games on steam but i have been replacing it with GOG or Console versions.
All the corporations are making money when consumers pay for streaming and going digital and for those that pirate don't make any money. The greedy corporations can make money that people for and people that don't make money from pirating are punished when they get caught, it does not make any sense. The greedy corporations can take there customers money but the customers can't take back the money that was taken from them. There should be a double standard for all the corporations and they should be held accountable not just the consumers. It's like the equivalent of the consumers are in a glass house and all greedy corporations are like having stones in there hands and they are ready to throw it at the glass house metaphorically speaking. Let's say, hypothetical, I wonder how all the greedy corporations would react if the tables were turned and used against them in the form of consumers with boycotting and see how the corporations and shareholders would react do. For example, the consumers and corporations take turns while being in others shoes. All the corporations made there made bed and now they must lie in it and they can put that in there own pipe and smoke it. At the end of the day, we are all consumers whether someone goes to the store to buys groceries or online to buy groceries, refill there gas at the gas station or the electric car station for charging there car battery for there electric car.
how will this work with laws like When a consumer suffers damage or loss because of a problem with a product or service, they are entitled to compensation.. would conten theft be a long this line ?
What is the consumer law for digital content?
The Consumer Rights Act gives consumers protection when it comes to digital downloads that fail to work (ie are corrupt). Consumers (ie private individuals) are entitled to a repair or replacement if the digital content is faulty and even compensation if other downloads or devices are affected.
It's all in the terms of service, the user has zero recourse and agreed to Sony being able to do that upon purchasing: Here's the operative language "All intellectual property rights subsisting in Sony Online Services, including all software, data, and content subsisting in or in connection with the operation of Sony Online Services, the Online ID, the access to content and hardware used in connection with Sony Online Services (collectively defined as “Property”), belong to SCEA and its licensors. Unless as otherwise stated in this Agreement, SCEA, at its sole discretion, may indefinitely suspend, or discontinue any and all online access to content at any time, including for maintenance service or upgrades, without prior notice or liability."
Alternative for those that own physical media... Get a game recorder device and play out of your disk player. Note that for fair use, you must retain the physical media as the media is the license. Like many people, I have a large number of CDs, yet haven't listened to that physical media in years. I need to do another round of movies (physical to data), but it consumes large amounts of time. Note that the above method of capturing video disks does have a problem that you need to work around, and that is HDCP. You'll need to figure that out on your own.
You know, when I first cut the cord in 2014 or 15, I forget the year but it was the day of John Stewart's last day hosting the Daily Show. That's when I officially canceled Dish Network, just as soon as the show ended at 11:30 at night, I had (and still have) a VCR/DVR that can record to DVDs and I didn't want to lose the stuff that I had saved on the Dish Network DVR, so I copied all the content from that and burned it to DVDs . I later put it all on a NAS. Do you want to know how many times I went back and watched it? Zero times. Same with every physical media or even digital media of every movie and TV show that I own. It could be one of my favorite movies of all time. Once I watch it the first time, I never care to watch it again. I just don't have the time or interest to do that. But I get it, if you buy something, it should be yours. I just don't much care about holding on to a copy of it. Physical or otherwise. Quite a bit different with home movies and pictures. I go back and watch that stuff a lot. And I have multiple redundant copies of those memories.
I don't think it applies when you buy albums from Qobuz. then I think you can transfer it to a regular hard drive USB stick or maybe even burn it to disc. I also think it also applies if you buy Album download from HD tracks. shouldn't there be any equivalent even if you buy movie downloads
Even when you buy music from iTunes or Amazon it gives you normal aac or mp3 files that you can do whatever you want with that is legal.
I would never buy any kind of digital movie or TV show unless I got an MP3 style download I know it's not called mp3 for movies but you know what I mean.
Secondly when it comes to DVDs I usually only buy movies I think I'd want to watch multiple times or have some other special reason for liking it.
It's way better to buy a DVD because you can play it on more devices then a Blu-ray and that's why music still comes on CD even though a Blu-ray could probably hold every single song The Beatles have ever produced including all the alternate versions of the songs like if they had an acoustic version or whatever. Yes including when they release a CD that says the live version of the song or whatever.
I pay to amazon and apple and watch some of their content... just not other platforms at all...what does that tell you?....
The answer is in the first minute of the video, right there in the introduction. "Ways that you can protect the things that you purchase." These people did not purchase the content, they purchased a license to view the content in perpetuity until revoked at the sole discretion of the copyright holders, for any reason. That's an important distinction, and it's in the terms agreement. If you actually want to own content that can't be taken away from you, buy physical media. Anything hosted or streaming on/from someone else's server carries the license distinction clause.
So are we getting a FULL REFUND
Why I always avoided purchasing digital content and got physical. There may be 3 tv show episodes I bought on Xbox marketplace and last I checked few months back they were still there. For music I burned it to cd and ripped it back to a drm-less format, games and add-ons need to dust my Xbox 360 off to find out, but most is on physical media.
1:55 What a tedious way to record. It reminds me of back in the 80s/90s when you put a blank VHS and hit record during your favorite tv show.
Somewhere out there, a "Crazy Carl" is knee slapping while sitting on his throne made of DVD's pointing at a group of kids who he overheard saying they were about to lose their digital collection of tv shows as he says,
"I told ya, if it ain't on disc, then you NEVER actually owned it did ya?!"
Then he would howl with laughter.
Gabe Newell: Piracy is an issue of service, not price
Don’t forget what Sony did to Vita Store Purchases… also Movies Anywhere requires you to login periodically or you lose licenses
Wow even with the PS Vita, this is the first time I heard about this.
That's why should always buy physical media if there in that format or pirate.
But if you can go to movie theaters it does help the people making the movies.
The unfortunate thing is that the way that a lot of the licensing and money goes these days, effectively you don't actually own anything and what you own is a license. That's the problem with discs is that we technically don't own them supposedly and they try to claim that what we own is instead of license just like a license copy of a book. And this is one of the reasons why there's been this huge push by these companies and by major publishers to try to make secondary book sales in secondary sales illegal. Thankfully it hasn't come to pass just yet, but unfortunately it seems like it's part of their planned trajectory. This is especially scary considering the fact that individual purchases are the reason we have copies a lot of famous works. I mean, even though it was technically legal purchases at the time, there are horror stories about people who owned individual copies of film for their personal use that then later were confiscated by the FBI and destroyed. As a result, countless rare films have been lost as a consequence. Absolutely batshit, but it seems to be just something that is a thing and until we as a society and it's a global society push back against it and block it from being a thing, it's not going to stop. I mean, most people don't realize that within the United States there is very little actual government authority within the library of congresses film archives in order to force media companies to hand over archival quality copies of all of their content. I mean, it's really terrifying but as a prime case example, George Lucas was able to change which copy of Star wars was being held by the National archives. There's no way that Star wars should be able to change from one copy to another. You can give them both copies. But the idea that a director can simply change the copy that's registered with a library of Congress is insane to me but because there's little to no power enforceable by these agencies, effectively the records keeping capacity and archival capacity of our nation is non-existent.
Hence why Torrent is still king…
This is why physical media reigns supreme.
"Movies Anywhere" yeah right.. as long as you are in the US! This crap isnt available "anywhere" else, Lon. Never will be. It's a DOA solution.
It is probably time we push our lawmakers to create a law that digital licenses sold as perpetual also provide a method to make a local backup of that purchase.
You know i bought a fitness app premium version and a couple months later they changed to a subscription model and i lost a bunch of abilities. such a load of crap!
"You will own nothing and be happy."
anal schwab is pleased lol
That d2d service seems just a huge scam to me...About "What you do?" well most of my stuff is on old consoles and I've always, I do repeat this, always /jailbreaked/hacked/rooted what ever you want to call it, my devices in their end of life to get content I've bought for them.
Sailing the 7 seas here..
Ive got all my fave shows downloaded from me good ole matey 😊
Physical media can have value 20 years hence (or not: think 8 track cassettes). In my immediate family's case, we buy physical copies of Switch games when possible.
@@GremmPaltakin You mean piracy, not emulation.
Also the thing about data rot on physical media is so overblown.
I have 40 year old SEGA CD games that still rip to 100% integrity every two years, while we've lost entire digital storefronts like the 3DS, Wii U and others.
Even if you download a game, you download it to a physical drive. Piracy, emulation, digital games and physical games all rely on a physical drive that we own, the only difference is that we own the physical media we buy, not the digital media we rent in accordance with terms of service and licences "subject to availability."
It’s down to Sony, they sold it knowing this could happen. Sony are so anti consumer it’s unreal.
So I watch a lot of UA-cam videos of people who are physical media film enthusiast, and they say when it comes to buying digital downloads and actually owning the content buying it through the iTunes Store is actually the most lenient, and they are the best at it and will let you actually download it And keep it I know it’s surprising, but I’ve been buying digital media through iTunes since 2010 and have never had a problem. an issue.
As far as I'm aware, Amazon is the same when it comes to buying digital media.
@@matthewjbauer1990Nope. Things get removed from iTunes and Amazon just the same.
What's happened here with discovery is a start but I think unfortunately that we'll need more events like this in order to turn the tide back to physical. People who are into digital will just shrug it off and say "well I don't know who would buy discovery content anyway" or like one guy on here mistakenly believes since this concerns TV shows that its not applicable to games. Those people need to go back to physical but won't with this one bit of news. PlayStation store or Xbox store might have to not exist in order for that to happen.
Tutorials on how to download and rip our purchases movies from Vudu, Apple, Prime, etc. would be great.
Yo ho ho! A pirate's life, full of high seas and daring adventures. What treasure be ye seeking today, matey?
that is exactly why i love physical media