Krystal And Saagar REACT: ABSURD 'CIVIL WAR' Map
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- Опубліковано 18 гру 2023
- Krystal and Saagar discuss the new Civil War movie coming out soon in the USA.
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Krystal hits the nail on the head. This map is contrived to not allow people to easily pick sides. It isn't supposed to make sense.
The filmmakers are trying to bring attention to civil war without instigating it. That is why the map is not more realistic for modern times.
I agree, pretty clear that it is more about the idea.of America breaking about and civil war happening than the politics of why.
Or ya know… it is fiction.
That part makes sense since there actually would be multiple sides in a real 2CW scenario, but I don't believe the map represents how a potential breakup would look like. WA, OR, and MN would most likely remain with the US while NC, SC, and KY would probably want to leave. As for picking sides, it's rather easy for me since I live in TN, so I know who I'll be rooting for. Also, the trailer explicitly says TX and CA are part of the Western Forces, and the two-star flag represents that, so why would there be nine other states there as well? Unless TX and CA are the first two or the two strongest states in the Alliance. Hopefully the movie will explain more of the backstory once it's released.
It’s science fiction
This is gonna be Tim Pool’s favorite movie.
Implying it isn't already
😂 The beanie brigade will lose their minds over this. “10/10, it’s a masterpiece”
😂
He'll tip his beanie in tears
if he doesnt have a cameo they fucked up
The fact that you failed to identify Colorado undercuts the rest of your arguments
Exactly!
Right
Thank you!
Pretty much
Thank you! My thoughts exactly!!
Here's my theory: California and Texas is an alliance of convenience. They pool resources towards the effort to break away, then part ways if successful.
that, or there might be a tangible benefit to have fairly open trade relations. people SERIOUSLY underestimate how much both states are tied through immigration, although one loves all of them and the other is trying to stop a lot of them. the 'tex-mex' and 'cali-mex' cultures might bring a ton of personal families together, considering a ton of SOCAL is just pure mexicans like me and same with texas. Also significant salvadoran minority groups, which may sway them naturally together for both being melting pots. both states are highly educated, cali has UC system, CSU system, Stanford, CalTECH with texas having A&M, Uni of Texas System, TSU, and more. both of them are rich states, both of them are fairly self reliant on food.
both sides are just human beings fundamentally. i dont know if the average social democrat in cali will be super off put by a mutual defense agreement with texas. idk if any yee-haw'in texan would be super off put by having markets like silicon valley still open to them. both states got tons of oil too.
i think it'll be more than just convenience, and it might be like a EU-style trade agreement and free passage agreement. texans love their low prices, and what drives prices low other than good competition from a neighboring competitor? californias also love a good deal, thats why us cali'ans are addicted to costco. 1.50 hot dogs for the WIN.
our real divides are just which side of the same coin we like for president, and the cultures we prop ourselves up in. that is so easy to get over when stuff hits the fan and you need an ally so you aren't just an isolated goon.
If there’s a sequel (I doubt there will be one)…it will probably show the victorious factions turning against each other over who will maintain power.
"I like Oklahoma, it seems OK"
I see what you did there Saagar, even though it was unintentional. 😂
Nice catch! 😂
Oklahoma sucks, the west of the state is full of panhandlers
It's where the wind comes whistling down the plains after all.
I caught that!
@@DocSardoyou know why it’s so windy?
Saagar is such a dude lol. Like many of us, he sees the absurdity of the premise but can't help himself but start running the numbers on things like industrial base an nuclear weapons. Cheers mate, that made me happy today.
I liked the part where he got horny for Timothee chalamet haha
He got a little too excited
And that’s why we love Saagar lol
He definitely thinks about the Roman Empire
😂😂😂
The “What kind of American?” line gets me every time. So well delivered! 👏🏾 chills
Hes an amazing actor
I’m a current US Army soldier. Been in 12 years as an ammo specialist and currently a cavalry scout. Lots of us are that kind of person. I even ask people who I don’t know and know personal what kind of American are you?
Guess we need to make sure everyone knows what side we are on 😊
Yes, do you whistle dixie or sing the battle hymn of the republic?
@@Warhead_235 a constitutionalist. Yeah. Thats a bad word now to many.
To make the movie red state vs blue would be a mistake, Krystal is correct on that. That said Saagar is also correct in that any civil war in America is likely to be urban VS rural. That in itself would be interesting since the majority of food and raw materials comes from the rural areas while finished goods come from the urban areas. Would the urban areas starve before the rural areas ran out of finished goods they need (my belief is the urban areas would be in for a world of hurt).
Your average city has one week of food. It would be a very short war if it's rural vs urban.
The truth is we will see something like what is going on in the other modern civil wars in the Middle East and Africa, no clear sides and more guerilla warfare and terrorism than a full scale war like in the 1860s
depends. if "suppressing" the people from doing anything in "urban"; that will boil over into a complete mess. this war will have to work its way out. and it wont be a quick one. theres 350 million americans and 250 of them are pisssed!!!
3 weeks with no food and they are done for, not to mention cutting off water and power and in fact many if not most hard to make finished goods are now made in small and medium sized towns in the South and Midwest due to labor costs, cars, appliances and guns. Banking, corporate HQ's and tech is what cities run on plus trade if they are a port. Yes the next civil war will be urban vs everyone else.
@@clinthoyt1855 Third world lands with no sophisticated intelligence. Here, there are ways to track people, especially with the level of arms civilians can hold, which isn't much.
I think Krystal is correct that if it made sense it would be cringe. I think the movie is likely to be less about our current political predicament and more a reminder of how horrible it would be to have to answer the question "What kind of American?" -- which I think is valid as hell.
I agree, but they really are just trying to profit off current thinking and divide in America.
uh no, the movie is portraying a "right wing christian" president, instigating a civil war against the multicultural multiracial states, and the "good guys" being a bunch of journalists and a sniper with transgender flag painted fingernails, this just so happens to be releasing a few months before election. Its geared directly to influence the election (albiet laughably)
It makes enough sense I think. But it’s fiction. If the US really had a civil war and divided into new countries, do we really think we can smartly predict how it would happen??? 😂
They should make the movie a parody. The liberal and conservative factions (CA and TX ) unite because they agree the rest of the US is the problem. And their army is made up of hillbillies and gender confused people. lol.
The DUDE in the red glasses is the WOKE Democrat's.. Don't let them fool you. The Loyalist States are the Antichrist states.. This will will be a war for your soul!!
The most unrealistic part of this is California and Texas forming some kind of Alliance.
Fantasy 🤣🤣
Idk about that. 2 of the biggest economies in the country forming an alliance to take over the country makes more sense than being enemies.
And the reporter is the good guy.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
I live in San Antonio, and I could see it. So many Californians are moving here, so give it time.
One problem is believing there has to be only two sides in a civil war.
Example: The Bosnian War
There’s like 4 in the movie but the WF is the only one on the offensive
As a former Oklahoman (and former Texan) Oklahoma is a great state. It's much more varied than it gets credit for - much of the state is forested hills and mountains rather than flat farmland. And its history is very different from Texas's - they weren't even permanently colonized by the same European power.
Funny that Sagaar can’t point to Utah and call it Colorado
I think he confused Colorado with Wyoming.
he clearly doesn't know who was part of the confederacy either leaving out SC, NC, and VA.
Colorado has all the headwaters for the Colorado River -- SoCal is screwed!
You think a mf named sagaar cares about America lol…
Square states are hard 😂
The most unbelievable part of this movie is mainstream journalists being the good guys
Yeah, it's hard to think of idiots from Fox and friends as the good guys for sure.
True
It offers good insight into the agenda behind those who made the film.
Good point. I didn't realize they were supposed to be mainstream journalists.
Maybe there might be more nuance to the movie than you're letting on. Who's to say that mainstream news will be portrayed entirely positively?
I'll have to see the film to make my own judgment on its biases
Idk about you, but during a literal civil war I don’t think there will be a distinction between a journalist who is “mainstream” or not. Good lord people.
I'm thoroughly impressed neither of these two know where Colorado is on a map.
I love how discussion about the movie isn't about whether or not the concept of a civil war in the US is impossible or not, but it is centered around the TX/CA alliance and the journalist lead
that's because we all know it IS possible
Right, we all unfortunately feel something like this is very possible now..
What do you mean impossible or not? Is already happened
I’m just glad they’re making a movie with an original concept
It's the first of a trilogy actually. Brie Larson is in the second and third one.
They need to add superheroes and diverse female girl bosses
It’s not original. Been some good books on it
you mean except for this really being a modern play on The hunger games meets a sort of post apocalyptic tribal scenario similar to walking dead/Eli?
Sure its not a remake on an original but I wouldn't call it original exactly.
@@themadmattster9647 coming soon to Disney+ 😂
Krystal is right. Alex Garland wasn't going to just make it north vs south again. And, technically, I don't believe Texas and CA are the same ideologically in this scenario. Rather, they've both seceded and made an alliance to not fight each other. There's a difference.
Northern and inland California is closer to Texas than you seem to understand. Agrarian blue collar culture vs the coastal cities.
@@j01150126that’s besides the point. In a large scale event things become blurred.
@@j01150126 I live in CA. I understand it pretty well, lol. Still, the conservatives who comprise inland CA wouldn't be able to wrest control of the state away from the liberal elements who dominate the population centers. I suppose it's theoretically possible in this scenario that Texas could be purple enough for a blue takeover.
You're right, an alliance doesn't mean one country, it just means they wont fuck with each other. Hell if the country really does go to shit the 2 most valuable states working together would actually be a smart move.
In that scenario, why WOULD they fight each other? They don't share a border. Hard to see how current CA could stay one unit under that kind of pressure though, there's so much internal geographic distinction. Have to detach the "Jefferson" end to the NW conglomerate, at the least.
In a Civil War 2.0, the lines would be drawn along counties not states.
also along highways
it would be neighbors, not counties. 😂 grow up
I am so excited for this film. The map and alliances, i take it to be more unrealistic just to avoid giving crazy people any ideas.
Is a President trying to stay in power a third term that unrealistic? That is the plot, if he was a corporatist centrist type he could be hated by populist right and the left.
If it was a bit more realistic that would be more easy to digest, but the fanatical parts will be what most people talk about lol.
How the hell is South Carolina not included in the "Florida Alliance"?? 😂
Why the hell Geogia S. Carolina and N. Carlona be in alliance.
It was made by Europeans
I think that is part of keeping it absurd enough that people don’t think it is a plan for how to actually carry out a civil war.
It will be interesting to see what the director thinks the outcome will be, and hopefully everyone will lose.
Because Nikki Haley is from South Carolina and Florida alliance doesn't like Nikki haley
@@Synoopy2Ah makes since.
It is quite absurd but to be fair to whoever wrote the script and such for the movie, they probably were intentionally being unrealistic about it to not encourage people that fantasize about too much. And a new civil war would be more akin to Guerilla war and violent riots rather than organized nation states.
All fifty states are full of people reliant on.VA benefits, social security, and Medicare.
@@macrosenseif you think it’s just those people who are heavily dependent on the government, your grossly mistaken. We all are
It’s funded by China so who knows
@@HarryF-tz5fo The feds are more like an opportunistic and occasionally symbiotic parasite. They enable high-level commerce and group action. In the world of this movie the latter is out the window and so is most of the former.
@@HarryF-tz5fo lol, sure bud. It's the government attempting to make up for the shortcomings of private business. If you don't like that, I suggest you double and triple down on unionization efforts so businesses stop paying so little that people can't survive on it and have to resort to crime to survive.
The map is kinda interesting when you thing about it; at least with the Texas and California part. Texas would secede and become it's own country again, California would vote to become it's own Republic. Both states may not agree with how the other is run but an alliance out of necessity would make sense to prevent each of them from having to stand alone. You run your state the way you want to and we will run ours the same. It's simply a military alliance kind of like NATO.
Afghanistan, Iraq, and North Korea watching this like “Do They Even Need Us Anymore?”
Both Alaska and Hawaii would definitely do their own thing. Alaska would make an independent treaty with Canada. Hawaii would just quit answering the phone.
Hawaii would have to make an alliance with someone china would goble it up instantly
HI would, in a conflict or turmoil quickly fall to 🇨🇳 or 🇯🇵. The chance though is Japan in 2020s is a real mess. Older pop: fewer young crowd.
@@crazychase98 I think Hawaii would possibly end up in a civil war with itself. Natives wanting the island back.
@@DavidLLambertmobile Highly unlikely. Neither China nor Japan have the naval capabilities to invade and hold Hawaii, especially if its being safeguarded by the American Navy stationed at Pearl Harbor. And given Hawaii's strategic location as a lifeline for pacific trade between Asia and the Americas, it would be more beneficial for them to be on Hawaii's good side.
Alaska would invade and conquer Canada in a war that would last all of two days.
For once Krystal has it right, I think the producers were neutralizing our politics in the movie, so our attention goes toward the story, not in how a side is being presented that way we can all absorb what Civil War perhaps actually looks and feels like, to scare us or to warn us or just to tell a story.
Might be the first time in a while I agree with her take.
Considering it was funded by a Chinese Equity Firm, I wouldn’t be so sure.
Krystal is correct more often than not. Look no further with her facts on Israel killing innocent gaza citizens.
This is just more Zionist propaganda.
Can you guess who runs A24 movie studio? Daniel Katz (Chairman) David Fenkel (CEO)...
Yep
As a texan we would never join California in a alliance
Saagar: "How absurd!
.... now, let's crunch some numbers..."
Bless Paul Harrell. That mans going through hell. Damn shame.
Did Saagar just confuse Wyoming for Colorado!?! Come on Saagar show Colorado some love.
Yes, or he thought Utah was Colorado.
Thank you! I live in Wyoming. Little stuff like this always pisses me off. Wyoming is real
@@HarryF-tz5foyes except for the cancers that are Denver and Boulder.
He did..
@@HarryF-tz5fo The cities except for Colorado Springs are liberal.
Glad the writers realized the cultural differences between Texas and the old south.
Rare time where BP didn't understand the assignment.
The director already explained his choices why.
I love that Saagar is a huge film buff. Step your game up Krystal!
As a born and raised Oklahoman, I take zero offense to being referred to as basically Texas, after all we are Texas's hat and what is a Texan without his hat?
That's funny 😂
Remember the Alamo with us!
Pretty sure Saagar mixed up Colorado and Wyoming. They may just be 2 squares, but they are very different 😂
He meant Utah. I think you're now mixing up Wyoming and Utah 😅
Well Utah and Wyoming are both included, so he could have mixed up Colorado with either of them, but it looks closer to Wyoming in shape so it's probably Wyoming.
You never know. Sometimes ppl form alliances by necessity, not similar ideology. Texas and California would probably be the only states that could realistically survive as independent countries. Maybe they formed an alliance to help each other secede, but after the war they would separate. I mean look at any major war in history. There are always troubling, shaky alliances that form out of necessity. I think the important part isn’t the map itself, but how accurate the beliefs of the players involved are compared to the divisive ideologies currently present in this country. I think the map is supposed to look chaotic, like our country is broken, sliced up beyond repair. When I first saw the map, the first thing that popped in my head was the revolutionary flag with a serpent cut into 8 pieces.
“Unite or die.” Seems fitting to me.
i felt like the point of having Texas and California together (besides the ‘enemy of my enemy’ mindset) was to avoid it seeming like overly red vs blue a la The Hunt from 2020, which everyone thought was obnoxious. this seems more like driven by wanting to show what it would be like to live through this on the ground.
I hope there will be scene in the movie where someone ask: "remind me how we end up split this way", then the quick succession of absurd events which make the map logical. It could be comedy gold.
All stemming from a gorilla that was shot because some kid fell into its enclosure.
I think A24 is known for some really good movies. So I'm excited.
don't need to think because they are: The Witch, Midsommer, Hereditary, Talk to Me, Under the Skin, Ex Machina, Room, Uncut Gems, Saint Maud, Everything Everywhere All At Once
@@slimeroneyup
I love a good Democrat hit piece to get everyone riled up and voting Democrat in advance of the election. We really need to end the second amendment and disarm ourselves immediately. They couldn’t get any movement on January 6th, so they’ll rally the snowflakes by manipulating their hearts with more BS. I guess MSNBC isn’t enough.
@@slimerone I don't recall any action ones though. A lot of brain movies. Uncut Gems and Ex Machina are incredible. Plus all that spooky stuff.
Then Everywhere All the Time. That was like putting a guy in a room who's holding a bucket, throwing shit into a spinning fan and telling him to catch what he can. Then handing the bucket to the writers and telling them to make a cohesive, quality story. And those fuckers did it!
They can do scary. They can be thought provoking. And they can make it unconventional. I wanna see their take on the tensions in Merica. They could go the easy route and make their version of the Purge. But I don't think A24 digs the easy road. My hopes are stoned.
@@spencerdunn6933stoned or stoked?
Imagine being so ignorant that you can't identify Colorado on a map.
This looks like a map of:
People who live or lived in CA
People who wish to live in CA
People who don’t wish to live in CA
Alex Garland is one of the most talented and brilliant screenwriters of his generation. I'm sure there will be some good explanations in the film. He thinks every detail through. I'm excited to see what happens in it.
Yeah we can bet on Garland to deliver.
Yeah and it is an A24 film too. I am in lol
" I've been to Oklahoma, it's OK ."
Saagar
A US civil war map would look very close to a Red Blue election map with it being more city oriented rather than state oriented.
You know how Americans are with their movies...when star trek came out grown men wore turtlenecks and were fascinated by lasers for decades. Its a blueprint, give it a few years, I'm sure y'all can make this work.
"I like Oklahoma; it seems OK."
-Saagar, unwitting comedy genius
I love how Krystal and Saagar are basically like the boys vs. girls with a time machine ,meme on who they would support in the war.
I’m guessing the movie is going to focus more on how a civil war would impact the people of a country more so than providing an accurate prediction of which states would ally with which other states.
The reason they have Texas and California together on the same side, is to avoid it being TOO realistic. That was obviously intentional, and im glad they took that approach. As i would have EXPECTED Hollywood to simply portray all of the Red states as being the "bad guys." By taking this approach, you can't really accuse them of doing that.
If you guys want a realistic take on what a modern day civil war might look like , read Euel Arden’s novel Down Here in the Warmth. Takes place in NYC. After a race riot a militia comes down to manhattan to try to start a larger event. Yada yada yada… running battles, attempted recruitment of key public figures, media manipulation of the masses. A well written, prescient novel (came out during the blm riots in 2020) . very intense book.
The Filmmakers are genius, because it now adds to the curiosity of why Texas and California are together. If they would've made it Texas and Florida or New York and California for example than it becomes predictable.
It would just be a stupid pander-fest if they went blue states vs red states and ppl would get mad if there side didn't "win" this makes total sense
Because clearly the US gov is bad in this movie as indicated by "third term president" which means DC has changed/and or violated the constitution.
Oklahoma would go with Texas due to the populations having so many family members living in both states. Oklahoma oil and gas reserves also tie it closely to Texas
Ok. Check it out people. IF something like this actually happens, NOBODY is going to be able to predict how the map is going to split up!! When there were predictions that US building could be targeted by jet airliners in the mid to late 90s, people said that was absurd. Nobody can predict the future, or how a potential splintered US would look. Let's be a bit more realistic, and not attempt to analyze how something that could occur so many different ways.
“It doesn’t make any goddamn sense.” 😂
That cracked me up too 😆
Didn’t think I’d hear that Saagar wants Timothee Chalamet to bulk on todays show 😂
Many straight guys have a secret crush on Chalamet.
I don't think it's bizarre at all for a California/Texas alliance, I think it actually makes sense and this is why:
1. Texas has always have had separatist tendencies and never to separate with others, but by itself (aka being the Lonestar state).
2. California has laid out a "strategy" to divide itself into several different sections and to actually separate from the USA (aka Calexit).
3. Texas doesn't want to combine with southern states, like Alabama, Mississippi or Arkansas, territories they see as welfare states.
4. California and Texas are the two states with the GDP that could definitely prosper as their own countries.
California and Texas would be a marriage of convenience at most. Fight together to separate from the United States and then go on their merry ways. I don't think anyone would say they are tied at the hip as "like-minded" places.
The thing I don't agree is with the "Western Forces". I think Washington, Oregon and Minnesota would be part of the "Loyalist" states and the rest of the west would become the Free states of America (neutral and out of this conflict)......that and Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee and West Virginia would more join this southern "Florida" alliance than be with the Loyalists (unless they are taken over by the Loyalist US military).
And BTW, these states borders would be ripped apart, it will more of a series of ever shifting blobs of where loyalty lies. And I don't agree that because a certain group of people live here (rural red, urban blue for example), that will automatically mean that they will become a territory of something.....As we have seen in other wars, the migration of a war-torn population is commonplace and that will happen here as people flee.
That map is just a starting point.
I’m hoping the movie debuts before the real Civil War.
Saagar wants Timothee Chalamet to “bulk up”, he wants to untwink Chalamet.
That was an odd statement by a married man lol
Correct. Unironically the only reason the modern dune movie is garbage.
@@Ravi9Ahow can you say that, Dune is goooood! 😵
Chamalet is perfect as he's is: softboy space Jesus.
I don't think that's what he wants to take from Chalamet, lol.
"I love movies I'm an AMC A-List member." As a fellow cinephile trying to keep the movie theater scene alive you now have my full respect Saager.
Me too been AMC stubs member since 2017
New stubs member this year, been well worth it.
I think they're reading the map wrong. There's no reason to think that the "Republic of California" and the "Second Republic of Texas" are allied. They're just the same color. They used the grey color for two separate entities as well.
That’s not Colorado, Saagar. And that guy was not in The Wire.
Saagar probably gave this more thought than the filmmakers. A24 has put out some interesting films.
City vs urban lol. Doesn't know confederate states or Utah. Lots of thought for sure.
Except Colorado is in the loyalist alliance according to the map displayed, I think he confused Wyoming or Utah for Colorado. 😂
Alex Garland is an amazing writer in speculative fiction and an awesome screenwriter. The dude did The Beach, Sunshine, 28 Days Later, Annihilation, MEN... so good, this is gonna be rad. Also, it's a movie, I'm not taking this map literally.
Same no one should take it literally.
As to not taking it literally, I think there’s good reason to believe this map is in-universe propaganda within the film.
In any case, CA and TX are juggernaut economies. An unlikely alliance, but that is the appeal of alliances sometimes.
Men was horrible
@@blkghostxx I agree haha, but interesting and weird so I'm cool with it.
@@blkghostxx
Lol i was gonna say probably should have left that title out
This film is not about the politics, it’s about the consequences of our division.
I somewhat agree with Sagaar that our differences don't lie on geographical lines anymore but they do seem to align somewhat between urban (city) and rural populations with the suburbs being a mixed bag. I think the movie will still be cringe so I'll probably wait till it streams unless someone else tells me it was good.
I drove through Oklahoma once....and in a tiny gas station I saw the most gorgeous tatted southern accent speaking woman I've ever seen in my life. She will forever be imbedded in my memory lol.
She certainly left a mark on your mind, but if you were around her regularly, she might eventually get under your skin. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Haha better to leave it as in than I suppose!@@CornyBum
It would be my guess that map is intentionally avoiding an obvious red vs blue split.
The split may be over an anti-Constitutional head of state as referenced by a third term.
I admit that it’s an odd choice to have Texas & California team up, but since the plot is intentionally kept vague, maybe we should reserve judgement until we see the movie and the back story has been revealed to us. It’s an alternative universe and history, maybe there’s a plausible explanation. Maybe not, but maybe there is.
I would assume the plausible explanation for CA and TX teaming up is their shared goal of being independent nations. On the map they are listed as two separate republics, so they are not agreeing on how they run their countries but just a military alliance.
that's what I'm thinking too, like the German-Japan alliance in WW2, it's a means to an end@@mikeryan5213
@@mikeryan5213 Look up State of Jefferson. There are several counties in Northern California that absolutely hate Sacramento, SF, and LA, and have been wanting to secede since before WW2, joining with counties from Oregon to form the State of Jefferson. If a significant force from these counties swept down, they could take Sacramento in a day.
@@johnpauljones9310 highly doubt that. considering the framework of this is not based off of "counties are going to join bla bla" and rather 'states secede and make alliances', second part being more likely, considering it would be in the best interest of the north to stay with california. jefferson won't have much going for it except that it's the mountains and woods, thats really it. nothing tangible to hold them together. plus, i dont know how self sustaining it would be.
@@xaviergarcia7965 Sacramento is on an open plain. It can't be defended and wouldn't be defended by the local LEOs there. The people are un-arrmed democrats. Hell, the Black Panthers walked into the Capital and took it over.
What I would be most interested to see in this movie is seeing what circumstances would bring California and Texas to team up together against D.C.
Easy. Money.
I could see them allying just to break free of the union to become two autonomous states of their own. Both states are really different but both hate being told what to do by the feds.
My speculation; only way i can realistically see this happen is if D.C. tried to break up the two states into smaller ones to stop them from being economic and cultural powerhouses because it felt threatened by them.
I would point out that they refer to the “3-term President”…so imagine if we had two elected terms of a certain kind of President and maybe a third term that wasn’t elected or maybe extra sketchy…the cracks in the country would be hard to predict. Our electorate swings back and fourth regularly, but what if, just as we were ready to, we couldn’t and we have some one in power hand out executive orders right and left based on staying in power and handicapping any challenges? Who knows what that divide might look like. This knee-jerk scoffing is just shortsightedness and a lack of dystopian thinking.😉
This is why conservatives tend to make shitty movies. The concept of a plot twist is foreign to them. They love to stick to their stereotypes
I agree the map is stupid, but I do believe the movie does play on what a lot of people are feeling these days. There is a definite longing to get away from identity politics, to have a government that actually is "for the people", to be able to get jobs that pay the bills, to not be beholden to corporations, and to choose to just be who they are and be left alone.
Amazes me when people say things like "these states could be countries"... like yes... THEY'RE STATES. Not provinces. The US is a union.
This is not Hollywood. This is A24. This is an independent movie. They are responsible for movies like Hereditary, Midsommar, The Witch, Talk To Me and X.
The real flaw is any idea the military would be fully consolidated. There will be so much insurrection and AWOLs in the branches there would be effectively no military force.
I disagree. In a scenario like this, enlisted soldiers wouldn’t mutiny but more than likely they would follow the loyalties of their brigade commanders. Different generals or colonels would pick different sides and likely fight each other.
It'll probably look a lot messier than how the military's organized now, but some kinda military will form on each side, using what's left of the established network and piecing things together to make it work. Soldiers are also trained to at least roughly know how to do the jobs of their leaders (and even their leaders' leaders) in case combat makes their replacement necessary.
@@aminalstudios7959 Nope, they'd go AWOL and FAST. They'd run back to their home regions/factions. Home is where the heart is. I'm including officers up to brigade level as well as Sr NCO's and lower enlisted.
@@Rationalreason777💯🎯👍
@Rationalreason777 ..lol..You have no clue as to the current military.
California would control the entire west coast in this scenario not just its territory
Northern California to the Oregon border is very long and inhospitable region. Sierra are easily blocked reaching Nevada.
"Indie arthouse"... with a 75 Million Dollar budget. The point isn't picking "sides", it's how awful a Civil War here would be... for everyone. This is why it's following the fictional war correspondents, and not just one of the sides.
It would be terrifying because the war would quickly split among ethnic lines
Sad that things are at this stage
My favorite part of this clip is Saagar doesn't know where Colorado is 😂
Right?!😂
When y'all saw the previews for Finding Nemo, did you freak out because fish don't actually talk?
That's kinda funny, but in case there's anything serious to your remark, this movie wasn't conceived in a vacuum, and neither is it being made and promoted in one. It has something to do with the current political state in an actual nation (it's even set in it!), so it's sensible to wonder how much it will resemble its real-world inspiration, even to come in with expectations and react to a trailer based on those quite possibly misplaced expectations.
@@CornyBum assuming quite a bit there from a 2 minute trailer
“big Chalemet head” lmao Sagar never ceases to be hilarious 😂😂
One thing to note, the US has a huge military. However, it is primarily composed of non-urban Southern-bred leadership. Like the original US Civil War, the "Union" soldiers ended up serving in the military of their home states. So, the President may be trying to order a military that is mostly going to be loyal to the "other" America. Good luck with that Mr. President.
Sagar is confusing Utah with Colorado on the map
When A24 stamps it i know it going to be good. They rarely disappoint me.
They just got bought out sadly
@themadmattster9647 we can only hope they keep the magic going. Only time will tell. Hopefully, time is kind to A24 corporations tend to kill creativity. im just hopeful A24 still keeps it magic all there moves my wife and I watch love it.
Idk have you seen that A24 movie about the guy who banged a sheep and had a half breed ? Lol
people focusing on the absurdity of the geographic alliances in the movie rather than the fact that every day the movie becomes more prophetic.
"This map makes no sense" says person who is confused why utah and colorado suddenly changed places.
I find it funny that people think they know what would happen in a fictional movie.
Krystal's face after the trailer had me rolling.
Yea so swing States wouldn't be the only Middle ground faction I don't know why people seem to believe left and right are the only places people stand, but of course you have a fair amount of people standing in the middle as well as all around the outskirts on every side, most of which don't want anything to do with any politics.
Realistically who's to say how many factions would actually pop up, or which other countries might get involved?
I think the point of having Texas and Cali on the same team was to emphasize that the film was not trying to be political, but instead simply show the reality of the cost and horrors of war. It does not matter the teams. The point of it is people will die and suffer.
It's kinda absurdly funny how the masses decide to ignore frightning real life current events but clutch their pearls at a fictional action movie
I think the masses pay attention to both
A second American Civil War would be interesting. There is a reason the bulk of the US Military's bases and footprint are found in the South and it isn't for recruitment or Russians. Any Southern based alliance would highly depend on which way the Military swings.
I don’t know what was creepier - the music or the fact that the Friday Night Lights kid had a machine gun.
The guy made Ex Machina, Annihilation, Sunshine, 28 days Later and the Beach. He’s great at story and pretty intelligent. He’s not
Doing that map randomly, and without consideration. No doubt he made it ridiculous so not to get caught up with cultural stuff. I’m sure he’s come up with some kind of an explanation. Who knows, maybe the loyalist states are actually authoritarian, hence the reason you get strange bedfellows like Texas in California.
Clearly the loyalist states are authoritarian because they stated there is a third term president.
"I haven't spent much time [in Oklahoma], it seems OK"
good one Saagar
If we have a second Civil War it would be Democrats vs Republicans and by the time the dust settles, the majority of the map would be Red .
I’m with Krystal. Virginia has an arsenal of bases alone with NC and SC makes them a powerhouse. But at the end of the day the map is totally off 😂
I'd see that. I'd add any "Florida" Alliance could quickly grab or get; PR, Cuba 🇨🇺, Bermuda, US Virgin Islands, etc. Florida has several big ports, 🚢 resources.
I really hope no one takes this movie seriously😂😂
You know they will
@@Carlinisalive yea, i just hope they see how dumb this is. They probably wont tho
krystal being a loyalist.. is wildly accurate.
You mean siding with America. Instead of being a traitor.
America isn't just a handful of states, it's all of us. In all of our diversity of opinion. Just because some might claim to be a loyalist doesn't make them any more American than the rest of the nation. @@jedison2441
Secession doesn't make you a traitor to the American project, it's a guaranteed right enshrined in the Constitution. Odds are one of these new alliances better represents the original ideals of the American project rather than the bastardization it's become
Woah now. You are the starting to sound like a separatist.
@@jedison2441how is it siding with America when our current system barely supports Americans? 💀 actually our current system is so anti America and founding fathers 🤦♀️
Okay I officially want a video on Saagar's favorite movies and books. Make it happen Breaking Points!
Fiction is even stranger than the ridiculous factual political situation we are in. Didn't think anyone could write something weirder.
I think something that's really being missed is the fact that there's a third term president, and the Press is being fired upon which would probably lead to a constitutional crisis. Which would make a Texas California Western forces. The Florida Alliance maybe there for the same reason but given the fact that they're kind of the same states that did it the first time it's hard to say but the movie hasn't come out and we're just guessing at this point.
3rd term comment makes me think maybe the gov are the bad guys lol
Texas and California being in an alliance has me laughing my ass off. 😂
Kind of hard to think about if you don't know anything huh? CA has over a million veterans. Everywhere outside of LA and SF are conservative. Maybe do better research because I keep seeing you clowns all over the internet
Yeah.... I'm just not seeing that. Texas going rogue & forming a Republic would be more realistic, assisting or forming a treaty with a Florida group. Then fend off the US loyalists.
trying to trade us Texans weed for guns..haha, actually the loyalists look fkd with that weak team they got, they'll have to import the irish and french to help them out, haha
California has many well trained militias. The state has more military bases than most. Lots of retired military. Don’t think for a minute California is what the media wants you to think.
Ca has a lot in common with Texas if you removed the 3 major blue cities in ca. And flip side Texas has Austin which their mindset is starting to grow in neighboring communities. Both have enormous economies and resources. If anything were to happen. The sides these states would be on would become a major advantage to them.