These 6 series cards are better off in windows NT, since the win9x drivers are half baked and are terrible. Kinda funny since the final win9x compatible graphics cards which are from ATI don't have any problems aside from missing some features like table fog. I believe they're the 9000 and x300-x850 series radeon.
Completely agree - I love my 9550 AGP :) I don't have any PCI versions of early Radeon but really hope to score some soon. Pixelpipes did an excellent video on them and it got me searching .. !
Just started looking to build myself a several ITX form factor PCs out of modern(ish) components for retro gaming, there's not much info out there so I'm sure this channel will be really useful.
I like the Nvidia 6200 cards because they overclock very well. The GPU can be overclocked from 300 mhz to around 450 mhz. Back then I owned a 6200TC which I overclocked from day one to 440/600 mhz, but it’s maximum frequencies were 450/640 mhz.
I'm surprised that the Unichrome has scrolling issues in Commander Keen4. Standard S3 cards are flawless in it. Unlike Ati and 3DLabs cards (Oxygen VX1/Permedia 3 could be a seizure risk for some people its that bad).
agreed Unichrome used the Savage 2000 2D core and it is such a strange issue for only a handful of games. Just so happens to do it on one of my favourites :-(
@@techdistractions At least with my particular Savage4 GT it does have an incompatability that none of my other cards have. Nvidia, Ati, SiS, 3DLabs or Matrox. It lacks the required Vesa Bios Extension required for Duke 3D, so it artefacts badly if set above the standard 320x240. Manufactured in 2001 as well so a late card.
@@techdistractions Didn't know of it, I'll give it a try. I'd much rather be using the Savage4 for my DOS/Win95 PC than any of my other AGP 2x cards due to the vastly better image quality.
I remember seeing one around 2010/2011, a Nvidia GT430 fermi based PCI card. Not too many were sold I guess as most people could just use PCI Express instead :-)
The problem with this video card is that you need to use a newer driver, that in itself limits you to what games it will support, because older drivers support older games. I have a GeForce 5700 AGP, 256mb of ram onboard, using Detonator driver version 56.64, coupled with nGlide version 1.05, I can play about 150 +/- Windows 98 games!
The 6x00 series geforce cards drivers for windows 9x are heavily hampered , it was pretty much a after thought for them to write legacy drivers for what they believed to be a discontinued OS. It might be worth testing a PCI 5200fx or 5500fx , both can be found as new old stock in some places still... Aliexpress or ebay
In the case of the PCI version it released almost 4 years after that "afterthought" driver.... yikes It would be interesting to look at the 5200 PCI for this rig. I wonder if it's a nicer pair to the little Eden or the other C3 Mini-ITX I have. Project backlog is getting bigger by the minute.. :-) PS - I've got a MX4000 PCI kicking around too, I didn't consider it before but it might too be an interesting experiment.
I would put a voodoo banshee My actual build for year is a c3 800mhz and a Banshee The problem is for win cpu depedent games. Updated with a v3 3000 and still struggling for good frame rates i UT or Quake 3. Also the 6200 is too new for this build, because later drivers use more CPU power.
thanks for taking the time to comment :) completely agree with the "too new" comment and this was on purpose the CPU utilisation is an interesting angle - I might take a look into that. NVidia would've optimised for Intel FPU and this one does struggle in that department. There are SSE optimisations in here also and the Via does make use of them.. more experimenting required 🙂
Twenty years ago my thoughts about the VIA cpus were way worse then what i think today, thanks to your video(s). Seems like they weren't that bad, the others were just better.
Good to hear :) I think they were possibly a bit misunderstood. Via knew early on they weren't going to be able to compete on a performance level but they also knew they had a target market who could really benefit at the time.
I recall having Intel's second Mini-ITX motherboard, the D201GLY2, which had a decent Celeron 220 CPU, but an SIS chipset with awful graphics, the Mirage. The graphics were 'OK' in Windows, but terrible in Linux. The guidance at the time was to use a PCI graphics card instead. I did get such a card but forget what it was, having sold both on some years ago. I wonder how much better would Via's 1GHz CPU version of the board be, over the 600MHz.
I did a project a few years ago on the 1ghz C3 version, it might be time to revisit :-) From recall it had lots of headroom to overclock and I upgraded the fan to a nice Noctua one That 2nd board was interesting, at the time I wondered what the heck they were doing releasing a non-intel chipset but it was an emerging market. By the time they got Atom out it was a game changer for Mini-ITX (among other low power applications).
![[UA] NAVI vs MOUZ | BO5 | IEM Rio 2024](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/CMBYk0cbGoA/mqdefault.jpg)
![Lp. Сердце Вселенной #30 ДВА В ОДНОМ [Один человек]• Майнкрафт](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/nrXy15orKhY/mqdefault.jpg)
These 6 series cards are better off in windows NT, since the win9x drivers are half baked and are terrible. Kinda funny since the final win9x compatible graphics cards which are from ATI don't have any problems aside from missing some features like table fog. I believe they're the 9000 and x300-x850 series radeon.
Completely agree - I love my 9550 AGP :)
I don't have any PCI versions of early Radeon but really hope to score some soon. Pixelpipes did an excellent video on them and it got me searching .. !
Just started looking to build myself a several ITX form factor PCs out of modern(ish) components for retro gaming, there's not much info out there so I'm sure this channel will be really useful.
I like the Nvidia 6200 cards because they overclock very well. The GPU can be overclocked from 300 mhz to around 450 mhz. Back then I owned a 6200TC which I overclocked from day one to 440/600 mhz, but it’s maximum frequencies were 450/640 mhz.
I'm surprised that the Unichrome has scrolling issues in Commander Keen4. Standard S3 cards are flawless in it. Unlike Ati and 3DLabs cards (Oxygen VX1/Permedia 3 could be a seizure risk for some people its that bad).
agreed
Unichrome used the Savage 2000 2D core and it is such a strange issue for only a handful of games.
Just so happens to do it on one of my favourites :-(
@@techdistractions At least with my particular Savage4 GT it does have an incompatability that none of my other cards have. Nvidia, Ati, SiS, 3DLabs or Matrox.
It lacks the required Vesa Bios Extension required for Duke 3D, so it artefacts badly if set above the standard 320x240. Manufactured in 2001 as well so a late card.
tried univbe 6x for the vesa issue? works reliably for me on older non compliant hardware. unichrome doesnt have that issue thankfully!
@@techdistractions Didn't know of it, I'll give it a try. I'd much rather be using the Savage4 for my DOS/Win95 PC than any of my other AGP 2x cards due to the vastly better image quality.
oh nice - a solid choice too :-)
did know they still make PCI graphic cards in 2009
I remember seeing one around 2010/2011, a Nvidia GT430 fermi based PCI card. Not too many were sold I guess as most people could just use PCI Express instead :-)
This is really interesting. The 6200 makes sense, you would at least be trying to run Windows with this I would think.
The problem with this video card is that you need to use a newer driver, that in itself limits you to what games it will support, because older drivers support older games. I have a GeForce 5700 AGP, 256mb of ram onboard, using Detonator driver version 56.64, coupled with nGlide version 1.05, I can play about 150 +/- Windows 98 games!
The 6x00 series geforce cards drivers for windows 9x are heavily hampered , it was pretty much a after thought for them to write legacy drivers for what they believed to be a discontinued OS.
It might be worth testing a PCI 5200fx or 5500fx , both can be found as new old stock in some places still... Aliexpress or ebay
In the case of the PCI version it released almost 4 years after that "afterthought" driver.... yikes
It would be interesting to look at the 5200 PCI for this rig. I wonder if it's a nicer pair to the little Eden or the other C3 Mini-ITX I have.
Project backlog is getting bigger by the minute.. :-)
PS - I've got a MX4000 PCI kicking around too, I didn't consider it before but it might too be an interesting experiment.
I would put a voodoo banshee
My actual build for year is a c3 800mhz and a Banshee
The problem is for win cpu depedent games.
Updated with a v3 3000 and still struggling for good frame rates i UT or Quake 3.
Also the 6200 is too new for this build, because later drivers use more CPU power.
thanks for taking the time to comment :)
completely agree with the "too new" comment and this was on purpose
the CPU utilisation is an interesting angle - I might take a look into that. NVidia would've optimised for Intel FPU and this one does struggle in that department. There are SSE optimisations in here also and the Via does make use of them..
more experimenting required 🙂
Twenty years ago my thoughts about the VIA cpus were way worse then what i think today, thanks to your video(s). Seems like they weren't that bad, the others were just better.
Good to hear :)
I think they were possibly a bit misunderstood. Via knew early on they weren't going to be able to compete on a performance level but they also knew they had a target market who could really benefit at the time.
I recall having Intel's second Mini-ITX motherboard, the D201GLY2, which had a decent Celeron 220 CPU, but an SIS chipset with awful graphics, the Mirage. The graphics were 'OK' in Windows, but terrible in Linux. The guidance at the time was to use a PCI graphics card instead. I did get such a card but forget what it was, having sold both on some years ago.
I wonder how much better would Via's 1GHz CPU version of the board be, over the 600MHz.
I did a project a few years ago on the 1ghz C3 version, it might be time to revisit :-)
From recall it had lots of headroom to overclock and I upgraded the fan to a nice Noctua one
That 2nd board was interesting, at the time I wondered what the heck they were doing releasing a non-intel chipset but it was an emerging market. By the time they got Atom out it was a game changer for Mini-ITX (among other low power applications).
Yeah do the p4 board.
And compare it to fx5200 i have a system with that card😅
Might have to dig out the old sis board and give it a shot 🎉
I still use Nvdia GeForce 6200SE :(
what is the rest of the system you use? :-)
Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual Cpu E2180 2.00 Ghz 4gb ram 1280 x 1024 (32bit) (60hz) monitor i dont really much know abt computers
It cant run gta sa medium graphics its like 20 fps
If you install Linux Mint XFCE, you will get h264 acceleration on Chromium based browsers with h264ify extension.