In the beginning they were talking about whether the sabers attract, repel, or are frictionless with each other; for the record it is established in Star Wars Rebels that the blades do attract towards each other
@@SellswordArts The general consensus is that there is some friction between the blades. It’s not like a magnetic attraction, but they don’t also just freely slide. Hence why you never see a Jedi just run his blade up someone else’s and cut their hand off. However, it is technically possible since there are some scenes where a lightsaber moves across another blade, however usually the two characters are being propelled by something (like a train). So you’d just need a lot of force.
@@alphastronghold715 i mean thats how friction works, they probably do have somr stick to them when touching eachother but enough force and itll come loose
Lightspeed Saber Academy and The Saber Authority have some very good theory's for how Lightsabers might be used and they both have fencing classes and participate in tournaments. The world of lightsabers is so much bigger than most people think
I noticed that you guys only lasted more than one or two blows when you dodged the blow rather than trying to parry or deflect it. The jumping around and unorthodox moves were the only thing that kept you from losing fingers. Whether this is accurate or not, great video!
So based on my okay knowledge of Lightsabers and Star Wars, if you had a cortosis or a Beskar shoulder plate of some kind, you could German Longsword, I think if you had a Beskar glove or something, you could grip the blade, stuff like that.
Lightsabers don't slide along the blade, they lock at the point of contact until they're separated. You can change where the blade is "pointing" while its in contact, but you can't move the point of contact itself. It doesn't completely justify the lack of a guard, as it's better to have some more protection "just in case", but its not necessary either, not to mention that there were plenty of swords with no guard in human history. Another reason why a guard isn't really necessary is because there is hardly any resistance when you cut or stab with a lightsaber, so you don't need a guard to push against to make stabs more effective, and you don't really need it to protect your own fingers, cuz the only way to hurt yourself with a lightsaber is to be too clumsy to use if. Also, lighstaber isn't just a weapon. It's a tool. It's a symbol. Its design is just as flawed as the beliefs of those who use it.
Who the fuck told you you need a guard to oush against for more effective stabs? That's one of thr most bullshit takes on fencing I ever had to read...
Through out history, whenever the weapon design changed, the way it was used also changed. Surely a Lightsaber would have it's own forms and ways of use that the Jedi and Sith train for their whole lives
In the old stuff there were specific lightsaber forms, most integrated the force to varying degrees, oddly there was not too much of a focus on lightsaber v lightsaber combat most forms had a focus blasters or the amount of combatants. Some forms had simple rules like block then hit.
@@dylansmall9699 partially accurate. Forms like Shii Cho and Shien were focused on blast deflection. Forms like Makashi, Ataru and Djem So were focused on lightsaber v lightsaber combat Soresu was that perfect middle ground between blast deflection and lightsaber v lightsaber combat Niman was sort of the jack of all trades style, with Juyo/Vaapad being primarily for lightsaber v lightsaber i think.
As a saber enthusiast myself (and self-taught at that) I think you should look into videos on different saber forms because it is a weapon both like and unlike a blades sword. It is at once like a sword, and like a stick/club. You are absolutely using them to good effect, but consider drawing inspiration from the established forms, and look into some of the established physics of lightsabers (introduced in Rebels and the Mandalorian)
They are drawing on established forms. One that actually exist lol I would put them and their traditional fencing stance over anyone trained to approximate how a jedi would fight irl A kendoka would straight up annihilate
A lightsaber blow would most likely result in the victim super heating, boiling and exploding from the energy, well depending where and how it was inflicted. A stab of any kind is most likely gg in center mass.
The lightsaber, even to Jedi, has weight. If one is not force sensitive or balanced in their mind and body, the saber will become heavier with each strike. Sabers have weight, and that is why they behave like plasma swords instead of flashlights. This is why I love Star Wars lore, it makes sense within the universe.
Well, of course the hilt (for want of a better term?) has weight; it's an electronic device. But a laser beam wouldn't have weight; it's light, not physically tangible matter.
@@WestIndianAKif it was light you could just wave the hilt really fast and there would be no need for any sword fighting - also light can travel through other light so how could a lightsaber block a different lightsaber
@@WestIndianAK I always imagined that if it was plasma held together inside a force field (which is how I understand them in lore), the force field both prevents heat escaping and provides the ability for blades to block each other, blaster bolts, etc. But of course, the plasma has mass - and if it's being held together in an energy field, it may be compressed which could give it some real discernible weight.
I had always assumed during a saber clash there was stick. The lightsabers could not slide along one another as a metal blade to metal blade would. That two cents aside, I love the idea of future choreography implementing real sword techniques and movements. Would make for a beautiful and deadly dance. Love the work, all of you and keep on keeping on!
I'm going to necromance this one, as you've already stated at 3:57 no guard, means no real ability to cover hands and all you had to do was cut the hands. Actually I'd tell you that originally there was a rule established in regard to this, the point of duel with first lightsabers (the proto-sabers with batterypack and stuff) was to disarm opponent by either cutting their powersource, weapon or (last resort) cutting their hand. Nothing out of ordinary here :) Update: Maaan! That dodge at 6:02, nice! :)
So the veteran Jedi would all have artificial arms and lots of other prosthetics. The older he/she is the more he/she would look like a cyborg... It would be an interesting concept. :D
Wait, isn’t there a rare metal that can short-circuit a kyber crystal? Cause a blade made out of that material would technically be the strongest sword in the galaxy
Unless you fought someone without a lightsaber. Ig it would b good against other lighsabers but how close do u have to get in order to actually short circuit the crystal?
Hey Sellsword! Big fan of the channel :) I was just wondering, what jacket/mask are you using in this video? I’m looking into investing in some gear, and would love your input!
Hey guys, great video! You should look into Tai Chi sword and Kali/Escrima stick fighting. Both styles involve weapons with little to no hand-protection and have movements intended to compensate. Tai-chi sword, in particular, would probably translate very well. Keep it up, you guys are great!!
@@SellswordArts True. Even with actual sticks I still take most shots in the hands 😂. I'd love to see Tai Chi sword adapted to lightsabers, I'm just not sure how well the style translates to actual combat 😅. Thanks for the reply!
@@charleshurst1015 which tai chi sword? you've probably meant jian (straight sword) for yang-style Taijiquan (Tai Chi)? I'd like to remind that Taijiquan utilized not only jian, also the sabers - dao were used as well. but yes, there are styles in taijiquan which would translate well to Star Wars Universe
@@Varim.Gaunniss what I was thinking of is usually done with Jian. The two combatants maintain blade contact, almost like their grappling, breaking away once the line of attack is clear. If lightsaber blades actually stick to each other (as some bits of Star Wars mention) then Lightsaber combat would have a lot of binding/ winding in it. Apologies for the confusion.
One thing I learned is lightsaber sparring is best done using the Lightsaber Combat Forms because it’s not designed with real world combat techniques in mind.
Hear me out, Lightsaber and Cortosis buckler. This parallels nicely with nicely with the early medieval setting where swords did not have complex guards and it was accepted that a buckler would be paired with a sword in situations where a full shield was not appropriate.
Ultimately, the best medium-to-close weapon in Star Wars is a blaster/similar energy projectile (maybe second only to a thermal detonator and a bit of sneakiness, but you can't carry many of those). The *only* time a blaster doesn't absolutely wreck everybody is if a magic space wizard - who can see what you're about to do seconds before you do it - is in play. In which case, since lightsabers can block blaster bolts, if there are two space wizards fighting, and at least one of them has a lightsaber, then both *must* have lightsabers for there to be any semblance of a battle. Your mistake in this demo was not having future-sight... or a good blaster at your side.
In universe the blades have weight to them, the crystals that power them are alive in a way so the blades have the weight of someones mind, if they have too much on their mind or are fighting against the blade it will weigh down a lot. Another in universe thing, yes the blades attract each other, it's a literal bind with lightsabers. Honestly Lightsabers are way cooler because they don't behave like real swords but they still use swordsman-like techinics for cultural and ritualistic reasons. I'm a sucker for a good world building >:^)
Obviously there's no way to try it, but I'm curious of how you imagine they'd be used if we assumed the blades were weightless. Not knowing the blades were supposed to have weight in some sense, I always imagined that "realistic" lightsaber use would be something closer to a spear than a longsword or katana. Of course fight scenes would be pretty boring with two people with their arms fully extended poking at each other's fingers.
well jedy vs sith fight are more speedy, faster reaction, using force and so, but basicly common human probably dies by him self, cause it like swinging around with a verry hot blowtorch,dangerous and deadly,and most different in dueling with light saber and real sword, you are not worried about breaking you blade with hard strike its not bend and not geting notch, so you can hit as hard as you handle it
Spinning and jumping isn't effective, no matter how fast you are. Jedis and siths are usually anthropomorphic beings whose bodies are similar (if not identical) to ours mechanically. If both combatants are equally match, the one who opens themselves with a spin is going to lose against the one who delivers fast and precise, yet not so fancy, movements. In regards to the "swords breaking" topic: Hiting hard wouldn't be necessary at all with a lightsaber since the energy does all the work for you. On the other hand, real medieval swords don't break easily. Yes, they get damaged, but it is rare for them to literally break as you see in works of fiction; they're made for the battlefield, they're expensive (not throwaway crowbars), and they're meant to handle a lot of punishment.
@@addictedtochocolate920 because real swords are expensive, you dont want used it like cowbars, and you tries cut instead of smash, and not hit the armor, but a weak spot, for light sabers does not matter swing, cut, thust or smash, and only few very rare materials can resist it, so you dont care about armor, and spinning is of course bad idea, anakin feel the results in 3rd movie)
@@kozmodemyanov You wouldn't want to use the lightsaber as a blunt weapon. Yes, it won't hurt the blade, but you simply don't have to use it like that for it to be effective; all you need to do is touch you opponent with it. Now, if your opponent is wearing full beskar plate armor (not like a Mando, but something even more protective), you're in a big disadvantage because you can't touch your own blade; you can't halfsword for more precision. In this case a smaller Lightsaber or a vibroblade would be more effective, but let's not even go there; if we're being brutally realistic, long range weapons like the blaster should be superior in most battlefield scenarios, jedi involved or not.
@@addictedtochocolate920 the only thing jumping gets is a bit more force but that’s very very situational and wouldn’t recommend doing it. It can be done it’s just very easy to spot, dodge, and counter
@@addictedtochocolate920 “spinning and jumping isn’t effective, no matter how fast you are”. I mean that’s quite literally the entire principle of the Ataru form- the way of the hawk bat is a heavily aggressive form that’s based on the momentum and energy built up from gymnastics and integration of rotations and physical strikes along side saber strikes to make up for lack of natural power or strength in those who chose to use the form.
I’m certain someone else has said this already but I wonder if having “the force” totally changes how two lightsaber wielding combatants fight on a fundamental level. Like practically being able to both predict the next move… no wait, I’m thinking about it as I type it and realising that creates too much fuzz and then they’re basically back to square one. I don’t know. Awesome video though I enjoyed watching duelling lightsabers that was cool
you guys are right you don't need to worry about edge alignments but there were occasions when chars talked about the blade heing heavier than they thought but it's going lighter within time so yeah no weight no edge alignment even if there was a guard once the blade hits the handle like you frequently did in the video it'll destroy your lightsaber so.Might as well keep it lighter for yourself
In cannon there isn't really a way to give a lightsaber a guard. The only way I see it is if they used Bescar (the metal used for Mandalorian armor), but that would be super expensive. They only blade that has that in cannon is the darksaber, which was made by the first Mandalorian jedi.
@@StoryArtsConcepts I'm talking about traditional guards, ones made of metal. Kylo's guard isn't a guard per se, but more of an exust vent to expel heat from the hilt. If you were to say, aim to cut a vent off the saber, it would eather combust or turn off. And it provides no protection because of this.
@@RedMelodyMusic oh a traditional guard gotcha and yeah I’m aware of the reasons against ren’s cross guard but it would follow a similar logic as to why not just go for the saber’s main emitter
"antique" (relative to the clone wars and later) lightsabers mostly had guards (from the Malechor battlefield, canonical notes about Kylo Ren's hilt, and High Republic artwork). This is because the likelihood of the Jedi/Sith coming into combat with another of similar capability was rather high. After the last big war with the Sith (and the Sith were thought to have been 100% eliminated (lol)), the Jedi pretty quickly became the attack dogs of the Republic Senate/corporate interests. They were primarily dealing with blaster-toting people/droids and untrained (in the use of the Force) people with melee weapons. The guard was no longer necessary, and they're bulky, add weight, add complexity to manufacture, and you can't hide them as well in a boot or up a sleeve (for those "diplomatic" missions). So over time, Jedi just stopped putting them on hilts (already by Dagan Gera's time (a couple hundred years before the Clone War era), they'd discarded the guard from their lightsabers). Yoda, born a few hundred years after the time of the last large war with the Sith, may have had his first lightsaber made with a guard, but components wear out over time (and weapons are sometimes lost), and so by the time of the CW, his lightsaber looked much like everyone else (no one is fully immune from peer-fashion-pressure). They (canonically and in the messy EU) had the technology/materials: Beskar and shielding tech to prevent normal metals from being damaged by a incoming lightsaber strike (arguably, shielding is the reason you don't see the emitters melting (otherwise, that'd be a high wear part like on plasma cutters) and why you don't actually see a lot of blades sliding down to destroy the hilt/hand). Arguably, Caleb Dume's hilt (which had a small tsuba) may have been shielded. That's why my lightsaber has a guard/finger rings/ side ring (might as well practice for my actual sword (a long (30") type XIV blade that I've fitted with a different hilt) while I'm playing with the fam); and my wife's and son's have a tsuba (plus, not having bruised fingers is nice).
every light saber fight would leave you dead or wounded , hand , arm , leading leg even if you get hit you can still seriously injure your opponent before you die .. the only way you could win is to fight someone without alight saber .. all you really need to do is just get close enough tp tun it on . with lundge or grapple you could end most apponent within 20 feet instantly if force push , jump or pull is used .. there would be no fencing
My guess? Use it like a rapier, less force needed (no pun intended), and keep it the hell away from your body. Pretty deadly and effective weapon if it were to exist, but you should complement it with some beskar gauntlets at least so you don't accidentally chop off your fingers. As for the design: i would reduce the length of the hilt so it's better suited for single handed techniques; that will provide better reach. A guard (a functional one. Looking at you, Kylo Ren) would also be nice
Absolutely right, i personally would like a shield in the left arm, a beskar full plate armor, helmet with my ligh blade in the tip of a long beskar stick thank you.
Form 2 ataru scabbard and curved hilts the lightsaber is an extention of self. Mine would be silver blade, double sided pull apart and used as a single Saber with range control on the blade. And maybe a nunchuk with a knife on one end and a gun on the other.
I wonder, theoretically since you don't need to make sure to have power behind your strikes, why not hold from closer to the pommel instead of the normal position when using one handed?
I think in new lore lightsaber still dont have mass per say but give off the feeling they do, do to the energy corsing through the krystal and coming out the emitter
In the Darth Bane books cortosis is said to be able to withstand lightsabers. The Republic is purchasing cortosis from the morning planet of apotros to use in the hulls is their ships. There is also a character that has cortosis vibroblades who fights against a Jedi with a lightsaber. The blades don't disrupt, they mearly block and withstand the lightsaber
I have never been able to find anything beyond very basic and vague descriptions of what the forms are. Do you happen to know where I could find something more detailed?
I know this is an old one, but from a collection of Cannon sources, lightsabers (in the Star Wars universe, not reality) have been determined to have weight (soo many sources), and to be drawn towards each other (Kanan Jarrus teaching Sabine Wren how to use the Darksaber in Rebels). Looking at it from a scientific view, lightsabers would be a projection of plasma, which does in fact have mass and would be drawn to itself. Plasma is highly energized gas, which considering how much energy Kyber Crystal's have in cannon makes sense (though how it would be able to be modified to work underwater then is beyond me XD)
Hand strikes are a common technique and can be devastating. In most cases you'll not be able to hold your sword, which obviously makes defending yourself difficult. It's why most swords made for dueling have substantial, complex guards to make hand hits difficult. But in longsword for instance, hand strike (and techniques to defend your own hands) are very important.
if it were two women doing this, it would take more than a light wiff to end the fight... ladies getting stabbed with lightsabers all over the place in the new series and they're fine
The last reason to keep going after 2016: some guys are actually researching lightsaber fencing techniques on a very cool lightsaber replicas. Not a very argumented position, but i suppose lightsabers aren’t supposed to be an effective weapon. It is often mentioned that the Force, not an actual knowledge and sword mastery is what really makes a lightsaber user so effective that’s why i think it is actually a ceremonial weapon/thing that demonstrates power and wealth and not a really made to be effective weapon. Like katana for a samurai, not a real only melee weapon (there is more practical wakidzachi) and not really useful weapon at all (main weapon of samurai is a bow) though still an arm that is respected and that is cool so it doesn’t meant to be really practical battle weapon (don’t forget that in shintoism a sword is kind of sacral thing). And for a Jedi i suppose it can be applied to. Like he is a concentration of force and for him it makes no difference to wield a piece of wood or a lightsaber and so maybe the technology of making lighsabers is ancient, sacred and traditional, so nobody dares to change it for practical things because it is a weapon of status. Still don’t know not a star wars fan, am more intrested in chainsword fencing subtleties if you understand what i mean. Awesome content though gj guys
You're right but you're missing something, Lightsabers were made for force users, it's why they come in different colours, the sith use them to show power. They provide an advantage that blasters can't: they can cut through nearly anything. Lightsabers are actually pretty ingenious weapons when you think about the circumstances of their creation
This is cool but here is the thing. They are LIGHT sabers. Light doesn’t have mass. Cool video I love y’all’s content. I also understand the little disclaimer thing that you did at the beginning, I’ve personally always been in the weightless side so that’s it. Great content. Not a hater. Keep it up!
They actually aren’t made of light nor are they sabers. Very much a misnomer, but they are A: closer to tubes of plasma and B: according to the lore, you have to actually physically push the blade through the force. Irl, these things are actually about as difficult to wield as a typical longsword if not more, weighing in at about five pounds or so. Do they officially have mass? This question is never answered, but they do say that it FEELS like they do when you’re using one.
In the beginning they were talking about whether the sabers attract, repel, or are frictionless with each other; for the record it is established in Star Wars Rebels that the blades do attract towards each other
Other lore in the series actually controdicts this. So it's not as clear cut as that. That's why we brought it up
@@SellswordArts The general consensus is that there is some friction between the blades. It’s not like a magnetic attraction, but they don’t also just freely slide. Hence why you never see a Jedi just run his blade up someone else’s and cut their hand off.
However, it is technically possible since there are some scenes where a lightsaber moves across another blade, however usually the two characters are being propelled by something (like a train). So you’d just need a lot of force.
@@alphastronghold715 i mean thats how friction works, they probably do have somr stick to them when touching eachother but enough force and itll come loose
@@SellswordArts The reason In rebels that they attract is because of specifically the dark saber which is a special case that attracts to the sabers
I'm just happy to be here. "May the Force be with you " Yahweh God bless.
Lightspeed Saber Academy and The Saber Authority have some very good theory's for how Lightsabers might be used and they both have fencing classes and participate in tournaments. The world of lightsabers is so much bigger than most people think
Too much spinning
So basically in a real life lightsaber battle either the opponent would be killed in a second or you would accidentally kill yourself in a second.
I noticed that you guys only lasted more than one or two blows when you dodged the blow rather than trying to parry or deflect it. The jumping around and unorthodox moves were the only thing that kept you from losing fingers. Whether this is accurate or not, great video!
I find it interesting that they mainly went for arms and hands, in the lore lightsaber techniques mainly focused on amputation
Makes you wonder why hand guards weren't a thing
@@foyfoy9440 They were, but they weren't very common.
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The curse of the inherited style?
So based on my okay knowledge of Lightsabers and Star Wars, if you had a cortosis or a Beskar shoulder plate of some kind, you could German Longsword, I think if you had a Beskar glove or something, you could grip the blade, stuff like that.
Yeah definitely but only for short periods because beskar will still heat up if held against a lightsaber for extended time
Yep and you need a guard made of beskar on the saber too
@@Catboy-hr2qp I would unironically put a crossguard made of Cortosis or Beskar in my sword if I was a Jedi
Lightsabers don't slide along the blade, they lock at the point of contact until they're separated. You can change where the blade is "pointing" while its in contact, but you can't move the point of contact itself. It doesn't completely justify the lack of a guard, as it's better to have some more protection "just in case", but its not necessary either, not to mention that there were plenty of swords with no guard in human history.
Another reason why a guard isn't really necessary is because there is hardly any resistance when you cut or stab with a lightsaber, so you don't need a guard to push against to make stabs more effective, and you don't really need it to protect your own fingers, cuz the only way to hurt yourself with a lightsaber is to be too clumsy to use if.
Also, lighstaber isn't just a weapon. It's a tool. It's a symbol. Its design is just as flawed as the beliefs of those who use it.
Who the fuck told you you need a guard to oush against for more effective stabs? That's one of thr most bullshit takes on fencing I ever had to read...
Yeah, but you need the guard because they don't lock at contact point irl
@@ericbishop8046 thats rrelevant cause there are no lightsabers irl
Through out history, whenever the weapon design changed, the way it was used also changed. Surely a Lightsaber would have it's own forms and ways of use that the Jedi and Sith train for their whole lives
Those would probably be based on the existence of the force.
In the old stuff there were specific lightsaber forms, most integrated the force to varying degrees, oddly there was not too much of a focus on lightsaber v lightsaber combat most forms had a focus blasters or the amount of combatants. Some forms had simple rules like block then hit.
There are 7 lightsaber forms
@@dylansmall9699 partially accurate.
Forms like Shii Cho and Shien were focused on blast deflection.
Forms like Makashi, Ataru and Djem So were focused on lightsaber v lightsaber combat
Soresu was that perfect middle ground between blast deflection and lightsaber v lightsaber combat
Niman was sort of the jack of all trades style, with Juyo/Vaapad being primarily for lightsaber v lightsaber i think.
As a saber enthusiast myself (and self-taught at that) I think you should look into videos on different saber forms because it is a weapon both like and unlike a blades sword. It is at once like a sword, and like a stick/club.
You are absolutely using them to good effect, but consider drawing inspiration from the established forms, and look into some of the established physics of lightsabers (introduced in Rebels and the Mandalorian)
They are drawing on established forms. One that actually exist lol
I would put them and their traditional fencing stance over anyone trained to approximate how a jedi would fight irl
A kendoka would straight up annihilate
"This got out of hand😅" just like in the movies... Hands were lopped off in abundance.
A lightsaber blow would most likely result in the victim super heating, boiling and exploding from the energy, well depending where and how it was inflicted. A stab of any kind is most likely gg in center mass.
The lightsaber, even to Jedi, has weight. If one is not force sensitive or balanced in their mind and body, the saber will become heavier with each strike. Sabers have weight, and that is why they behave like plasma swords instead of flashlights. This is why I love Star Wars lore, it makes sense within the universe.
Well, of course the hilt (for want of a better term?) has weight; it's an electronic device. But a laser beam wouldn't have weight; it's light, not physically tangible matter.
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It’s not light
@@WestIndianAKif it was light you could just wave the hilt really fast and there would be no need for any sword fighting - also light can travel through other light so how could a lightsaber block a different lightsaber
@@WestIndianAK I always imagined that if it was plasma held together inside a force field (which is how I understand them in lore), the force field both prevents heat escaping and provides the ability for blades to block each other, blaster bolts, etc.
But of course, the plasma has mass - and if it's being held together in an energy field, it may be compressed which could give it some real discernible weight.
I had always assumed during a saber clash there was stick. The lightsabers could not slide along one another as a metal blade to metal blade would. That two cents aside, I love the idea of future choreography implementing real sword techniques and movements. Would make for a beautiful and deadly dance. Love the work, all of you and keep on keeping on!
some online saber websites have lightsabers with guards but they cost about $300 or $500
I'm going to necromance this one, as you've already stated at 3:57 no guard, means no real ability to cover hands and all you had to do was cut the hands. Actually I'd tell you that originally there was a rule established in regard to this, the point of duel with first lightsabers (the proto-sabers with batterypack and stuff) was to disarm opponent by either cutting their powersource, weapon or (last resort) cutting their hand. Nothing out of ordinary here :)
Update:
Maaan! That dodge at 6:02, nice! :)
So the veteran Jedi would all have artificial arms and lots of other prosthetics. The older he/she is the more he/she would look like a cyborg...
It would be an interesting concept. :D
Now I get why kilo ren’s lightsaber design was good. No wonder why he didn't lose any limbs.
What I like about Kylo's is that in the lore it has the bents because he couldn't make a good lightsaber.
Welp Kylo's crossguard wouldn't work cuz there is a gap between the blade and the crossguard, do it isnt going to protect your hand
Wait, isn’t there a rare metal that can short-circuit a kyber crystal?
Cause a blade made out of that material would technically be the strongest sword in the galaxy
Unless you fought someone without a lightsaber. Ig it would b good against other lighsabers but how close do u have to get in order to actually short circuit the crystal?
Hey Sellsword! Big fan of the channel :) I was just wondering, what jacket/mask are you using in this video? I’m looking into investing in some gear, and would love your input!
Hey guys, great video! You should look into Tai Chi sword and Kali/Escrima stick fighting. Both styles involve weapons with little to no hand-protection and have movements intended to compensate. Tai-chi sword, in particular, would probably translate very well.
Keep it up, you guys are great!!
I actually do practice some Kali/Pakumat/escrima. I trued a bit of that in this video, but with the length of the sword not so useful here
@@SellswordArts True. Even with actual sticks I still take most shots in the hands 😂.
I'd love to see Tai Chi sword adapted to lightsabers, I'm just not sure how well the style translates to actual combat 😅.
Thanks for the reply!
@@charleshurst1015 which tai chi sword? you've probably meant jian (straight sword) for yang-style Taijiquan (Tai Chi)? I'd like to remind that Taijiquan utilized not only jian, also the sabers - dao were used as well. but yes, there are styles in taijiquan which would translate well to Star Wars Universe
@@Varim.Gaunniss what I was thinking of is usually done with Jian. The two combatants maintain blade contact, almost like their grappling, breaking away once the line of attack is clear.
If lightsaber blades actually stick to each other (as some bits of Star Wars mention) then Lightsaber combat would have a lot of binding/ winding in it.
Apologies for the confusion.
One thing I learned is lightsaber sparring is best done using the Lightsaber Combat Forms because it’s not designed with real world combat techniques in mind.
Should do a lightsaber vs Mauls double bladed Saber, would look sick
Awesome to see this kind of content
Hear me out, Lightsaber and Cortosis buckler. This parallels nicely with nicely with the early medieval setting where swords did not have complex guards and it was accepted that a buckler would be paired with a sword in situations where a full shield was not appropriate.
Ultimately, the best medium-to-close weapon in Star Wars is a blaster/similar energy projectile (maybe second only to a thermal detonator and a bit of sneakiness, but you can't carry many of those). The *only* time a blaster doesn't absolutely wreck everybody is if a magic space wizard - who can see what you're about to do seconds before you do it - is in play. In which case, since lightsabers can block blaster bolts, if there are two space wizards fighting, and at least one of them has a lightsaber, then both *must* have lightsabers for there to be any semblance of a battle.
Your mistake in this demo was not having future-sight... or a good blaster at your side.
In universe the blades have weight to them, the crystals that power them are alive in a way so the blades have the weight of someones mind, if they have too much on their mind or are fighting against the blade it will weigh down a lot.
Another in universe thing, yes the blades attract each other, it's a literal bind with lightsabers.
Honestly Lightsabers are way cooler because they don't behave like real swords but they still use swordsman-like techinics for cultural and ritualistic reasons.
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That slide up the blade was smooth as phuck. The tall guy is a killer.
Obviously there's no way to try it, but I'm curious of how you imagine they'd be used if we assumed the blades were weightless. Not knowing the blades were supposed to have weight in some sense, I always imagined that "realistic" lightsaber use would be something closer to a spear than a longsword or katana. Of course fight scenes would be pretty boring with two people with their arms fully extended poking at each other's fingers.
well jedy vs sith fight are more speedy, faster reaction, using force and so, but basicly common human probably dies by him self, cause it like swinging around with a verry hot blowtorch,dangerous and deadly,and most different in dueling with light saber and real sword, you are not worried about breaking you blade with hard strike its not bend and not geting notch, so you can hit as hard as you handle it
Spinning and jumping isn't effective, no matter how fast you are. Jedis and siths are usually anthropomorphic beings whose bodies are similar (if not identical) to ours mechanically. If both combatants are equally match, the one who opens themselves with a spin is going to lose against the one who delivers fast and precise, yet not so fancy, movements.
In regards to the "swords breaking" topic:
Hiting hard wouldn't be necessary at all with a lightsaber since the energy does all the work for you. On the other hand, real medieval swords don't break easily. Yes, they get damaged, but it is rare for them to literally break as you see in works of fiction; they're made for the battlefield, they're expensive (not throwaway crowbars), and they're meant to handle a lot of punishment.
@@addictedtochocolate920 because real swords are expensive, you dont want used it like cowbars, and you tries cut instead of smash, and not hit the armor, but a weak spot, for light sabers does not matter swing, cut, thust or smash, and only few very rare materials can resist it, so you dont care about armor, and spinning is of course bad idea, anakin feel the results in 3rd movie)
@@kozmodemyanov You wouldn't want to use the lightsaber as a blunt weapon. Yes, it won't hurt the blade, but you simply don't have to use it like that for it to be effective; all you need to do is touch you opponent with it.
Now, if your opponent is wearing full beskar plate armor (not like a Mando, but something even more protective), you're in a big disadvantage because you can't touch your own blade; you can't halfsword for more precision. In this case a smaller Lightsaber or a vibroblade would be more effective, but let's not even go there; if we're being brutally realistic, long range weapons like the blaster should be superior in most battlefield scenarios, jedi involved or not.
@@addictedtochocolate920 the only thing jumping gets is a bit more force but that’s very very situational and wouldn’t recommend doing it. It can be done it’s just very easy to spot, dodge, and counter
@@addictedtochocolate920 “spinning and jumping isn’t effective, no matter how fast you are”. I mean that’s quite literally the entire principle of the Ataru form- the way of the hawk bat is a heavily aggressive form that’s based on the momentum and energy built up from gymnastics and integration of rotations and physical strikes along side saber strikes to make up for lack of natural power or strength in those who chose to use the form.
Looking a lot like the first Lightsaber duel on ever between Darth Vader and Obi Wan
I’m certain someone else has said this already but I wonder if having “the force” totally changes how two lightsaber wielding combatants fight on a fundamental level. Like practically being able to both predict the next move… no wait, I’m thinking about it as I type it and realising that creates too much fuzz and then they’re basically back to square one. I don’t know. Awesome video though I enjoyed watching duelling lightsabers that was cool
seems like the better strategy would be to hold the lightsaber at the bottom and single hand it for a bit of extra reach.
The best oightsaber duel in all of Star Wars is the duel between Obi-wan and Maul in Rebels
you guys are right you don't need to worry about edge alignments but there were occasions when chars talked about the blade heing heavier than they thought but it's going lighter within time so yeah no weight no edge alignment even if there was a guard once the blade hits the handle like you frequently did in the video it'll destroy your lightsaber so.Might as well keep it lighter for yourself
This is why in Star Wars there are different forms specifically for light sabers. My favorite being form 2.
In cannon there isn't really a way to give a lightsaber a guard. The only way I see it is if they used Bescar (the metal used for Mandalorian armor), but that would be super expensive. They only blade that has that in cannon is the darksaber, which was made by the first Mandalorian jedi.
I mean kylo ren’s saber?
@@StoryArtsConcepts I'm talking about traditional guards, ones made of metal. Kylo's guard isn't a guard per se, but more of an exust vent to expel heat from the hilt. If you were to say, aim to cut a vent off the saber, it would eather combust or turn off. And it provides no protection because of this.
@@RedMelodyMusic oh a traditional guard gotcha and yeah I’m aware of the reasons against ren’s cross guard but it would follow a similar logic as to why not just go for the saber’s main emitter
I saw you guys at that Renissance Festival. I said hello.we talked about HEMA and swords you all were very nice.
"antique" (relative to the clone wars and later) lightsabers mostly had guards (from the Malechor battlefield, canonical notes about Kylo Ren's hilt, and High Republic artwork). This is because the likelihood of the Jedi/Sith coming into combat with another of similar capability was rather high. After the last big war with the Sith (and the Sith were thought to have been 100% eliminated (lol)), the Jedi pretty quickly became the attack dogs of the Republic Senate/corporate interests. They were primarily dealing with blaster-toting people/droids and untrained (in the use of the Force) people with melee weapons. The guard was no longer necessary, and they're bulky, add weight, add complexity to manufacture, and you can't hide them as well in a boot or up a sleeve (for those "diplomatic" missions). So over time, Jedi just stopped putting them on hilts (already by Dagan Gera's time (a couple hundred years before the Clone War era), they'd discarded the guard from their lightsabers). Yoda, born a few hundred years after the time of the last large war with the Sith, may have had his first lightsaber made with a guard, but components wear out over time (and weapons are sometimes lost), and so by the time of the CW, his lightsaber looked much like everyone else (no one is fully immune from peer-fashion-pressure).
They (canonically and in the messy EU) had the technology/materials: Beskar and shielding tech to prevent normal metals from being damaged by a incoming lightsaber strike (arguably, shielding is the reason you don't see the emitters melting (otherwise, that'd be a high wear part like on plasma cutters) and why you don't actually see a lot of blades sliding down to destroy the hilt/hand). Arguably, Caleb Dume's hilt (which had a small tsuba) may have been shielded.
That's why my lightsaber has a guard/finger rings/ side ring (might as well practice for my actual sword (a long (30") type XIV blade that I've fitted with a different hilt) while I'm playing with the fam); and my wife's and son's have a tsuba (plus, not having bruised fingers is nice).
When he said “There’s no guard” I felt that
So what I got from this video is that real sword fights are mostly short and not particularly entertaining.
Not at all. Combat in all situations is very short, brutal, and carnal. Combat has been romanticized like crazy in media.
I believe you are wrong. I can show you what real sword fighting techniques look like, if you wish.
@@JohnDoe-kh1mt It’s just my opinion. Can’t really be wrong or right on something like that.
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every light saber fight would leave you dead or wounded , hand , arm , leading leg even if you get hit you can still seriously injure your opponent before you die ..
the only way you could win is to fight someone without alight saber ..
all you really need to do is just get close enough tp tun it on . with lundge or grapple you could end most apponent within 20 feet instantly
if force push , jump or pull is used ..
there would be no fencing
My guess? Use it like a rapier, less force needed (no pun intended), and keep it the hell away from your body. Pretty deadly and effective weapon if it were to exist, but you should complement it with some beskar gauntlets at least so you don't accidentally chop off your fingers.
As for the design: i would reduce the length of the hilt so it's better suited for single handed techniques; that will provide better reach. A guard (a functional one. Looking at you, Kylo Ren) would also be nice
Absolutely right, i personally would like a shield in the left arm, a beskar full plate armor, helmet with my ligh blade in the tip of a long beskar stick thank you.
So in conon the lightsabers stick to each other, so there is no need for a guard
Star Wars fencing is Form II: Makashi, Count Dooku used it.
@@JaceInnes tell that to Grevious' bottom right hand
Form 2 ataru scabbard and curved hilts the lightsaber is an extention of self. Mine would be silver blade, double sided pull apart and used as a single Saber with range control on the blade. And maybe a nunchuk with a knife on one end and a gun on the other.
First 10 seconds, fingers chopped off. Yep.
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I wonder, theoretically since you don't need to make sure to have power behind your strikes, why not hold from closer to the pommel instead of the normal position when using one handed?
I love how so many people hate on kylo ren's cross saber but this just confirms its very useful xD
Dooku and Qui-gon training circa 30 BBY - Colorized
"I just tried to do German Longsword and touched myself" yeah, that'll get ya haha
Phrik, from the old Dark Forces game was supposed to be lightsaber resistant as well.
I think in new lore lightsaber still dont have mass per say but give off the feeling they do, do to the energy corsing through the krystal and coming out the emitter
Ps they stick to each other, so no sliding. Thats why they do not need cross guards
Cortosis would disrupt and turn off the light saber for a while, the ships were protected by ray shields that were against radiation and energy.
In the Darth Bane books cortosis is said to be able to withstand lightsabers. The Republic is purchasing cortosis from the morning planet of apotros to use in the hulls is their ships. There is also a character that has cortosis vibroblades who fights against a Jedi with a lightsaber. The blades don't disrupt, they mearly block and withstand the lightsaber
I would like to see y'all actually try out the lightsaber forms of combat, I guarantee that you'll like Form Soresu, and Count Dookus form
I have never been able to find anything beyond very basic and vague descriptions of what the forms are. Do you happen to know where I could find something more detailed?
Lightsaber forms are useless and does not apply to fencing, this isn't about choreography
I know this is an old one, but from a collection of Cannon sources, lightsabers (in the Star Wars universe, not reality) have been determined to have weight (soo many sources), and to be drawn towards each other (Kanan Jarrus teaching Sabine Wren how to use the Darksaber in Rebels).
Looking at it from a scientific view, lightsabers would be a projection of plasma, which does in fact have mass and would be drawn to itself. Plasma is highly energized gas, which considering how much energy Kyber Crystal's have in cannon makes sense (though how it would be able to be modified to work underwater then is beyond me XD)
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I really like to See the Holtzman shield when you need to go below 5m/s or something like that or was it 4
Maybe the Force is a hilt for their hands?
How do you feel about the ASL-FFE ruleset?
Longer sword is pay to win. Plus lots of time would be double hit or both of them die.
What about crossgaurd lightsabers? The darksaber also sort of has a gaurd.
The vents on the gross guard would just get sheared off
@@SellswordArts i guess that is true, thought the energy has to go through the vents, does it not? Also thanks for the reply.
Have you guys trained with great swords and pole arms?
I like lightsabers it's Beautiful
so i have a question, out of curiosity would a hit to a hand from any bladed weapon in an actual fight do to an attacker?
Hand strikes are a common technique and can be devastating. In most cases you'll not be able to hold your sword, which obviously makes defending yourself difficult. It's why most swords made for dueling have substantial, complex guards to make hand hits difficult. But in longsword for instance, hand strike (and techniques to defend your own hands) are very important.
Honestly, since the blade is supposedly completely weightless, I would personally just have the blade be set up to be ridiculously long.
if it were two women doing this, it would take more than a light wiff to end the fight... ladies getting stabbed with lightsabers all over the place in the new series and they're fine
You should do kylo’s sword
The last reason to keep going after 2016: some guys are actually researching lightsaber fencing techniques on a very cool
lightsaber replicas.
Not a very argumented position, but i suppose lightsabers aren’t supposed to be an effective weapon. It is often mentioned that the Force, not an actual knowledge and sword mastery is what really makes a lightsaber user so effective that’s why i think it is actually a ceremonial weapon/thing that demonstrates power and wealth and not a really made to be effective weapon.
Like katana for a samurai, not a real only melee weapon (there is more practical wakidzachi) and not really useful weapon at all (main weapon of samurai is a bow) though still an arm that is respected and that is cool so it doesn’t meant to be really practical battle weapon (don’t forget that in shintoism a sword is kind of sacral thing). And for a Jedi i suppose it can be applied to. Like he is a concentration of force and for him it makes no difference to wield a piece of wood or a lightsaber and so maybe the technology of making lighsabers is ancient, sacred and traditional, so nobody dares to change it for practical things because it is a weapon of status.
Still don’t know not a star wars fan, am more intrested in chainsword fencing subtleties if you understand what i mean.
Awesome content though gj guys
You're right but you're missing something, Lightsabers were made for force users, it's why they come in different colours, the sith use them to show power. They provide an advantage that blasters can't: they can cut through nearly anything. Lightsabers are actually pretty ingenious weapons when you think about the circumstances of their creation
if you cover the blades with some kind of glue maybe you can replicate what are you talking in the intro.
This is cool but here is the thing. They are LIGHT sabers. Light doesn’t have mass. Cool video I love y’all’s content. I also understand the little disclaimer thing that you did at the beginning, I’ve personally always been in the weightless side so that’s it. Great content. Not a hater. Keep it up!
They actually aren’t made of light nor are they sabers. Very much a misnomer, but they are A: closer to tubes of plasma and B: according to the lore, you have to actually physically push the blade through the force. Irl, these things are actually about as difficult to wield as a typical longsword if not more, weighing in at about five pounds or so.
Do they officially have mass? This question is never answered, but they do say that it FEELS like they do when you’re using one.