Paul Scholes: 'Genius!' Manchester United Legends

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  • @WebbyONeill
    @WebbyONeill  4 роки тому +9

    Paul Scholes, Manchester United's legendary midfielder described by Phil Neville, Jamie Moore, Jamie Jackson, Tim Burgess and us!
    Let us know what you think about Paul Scholes and which legend we should speak about next in the comments
    *Watch more Legends videos here: **bit.ly/WOLegendVideos*

    • @2olegendstock530
      @2olegendstock530 4 роки тому +3

      Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard were one of the best midfielders in English football but Scholsy, he was on another Level. Best midfielder to ever played in the premier league for me.

    • @kenmen4865
      @kenmen4865 4 роки тому +1

      Can u plz make a video on the "Welsh Wizard", Giggsy?

    • @SuperiorNo1
      @SuperiorNo1 4 роки тому

      Paul Scholes is Greatest striker of the Ball in History Accuracy and Power Ridiculous 😈

  • @squireseven1937
    @squireseven1937 4 роки тому +25

    Sat in a pub years ago watching a game with my dad and pointing out Scholes he said to me.. 'he not a player,he's an artist that lad'...

  • @tonyh4226
    @tonyh4226 3 роки тому +3

    Paul Scholes is up there with the very best United players of all time . I was lucky enough to watch George Best from his debut in the youth team and all his career along with Dennis Law & Bobby Charlton .
    There are certain players who have played for United, Cantona , Robson , Keane , Ronaldo , Giggs & one or two others who United fans will remember forever . Scholes is definitely up there with the very best .
    I was once at function at OT and a group of people were asking Alex Ferguson about Ryan Giggs who had just made his debut .
    Sir Alex told us he had a better player waiting to come back from a injury he said he will be a world class player , when we asked the players name he said .
    Paul Scholes .
    What a shame various England managers couldn’t see the player they had , he should have been at the centre of every England side for years .
    England’s loss our gain !
    Paul Scholes a United Legend !

  • @melvyndolby8625
    @melvyndolby8625 4 роки тому +5

    My all time favourite player and the best British born player in the last 30yrs. No one comes close. WORLD CLASS. Can honestly say, even Charlton shouldn't be talked about in the same breath. Used to think he had 'sights' on his boots, cos his shooting was so accurate, and the way he dictated the game, I've never seen anyone do it like he did. Would be impossible to leave out of Utd's all time best eleven. Scholes, Ronaldo and Best would be the first 3 names on the sheet. Oh and by the way, Utd have just got rid of his replacement - Angel Gomez Knocker (mufc till death)

  • @MemoryLaneCinema
    @MemoryLaneCinema 4 роки тому +10

    Xavi said that Scholes was his idol. Love the fact that Paul rarely did interviews. He just wanted to play football. More players today should think like that.

  • @eNyaaaw
    @eNyaaaw 4 роки тому +7

    Middleton is a special place. I grew up there, went to Pauls earlier schools. Probably lived a similar life to Paul up to a certain age. I still think about that place every year and i haven't there since 99. The only thing you ever saw young boys do, was play football. There was nothing else, but it created memories that place. Poorest place i ever lived in, but the happiest i have been. A genius born in a place where young boys literally only play football, and they do it all day. Im not surprised a legend in the making started there.

  • @Steviej148
    @Steviej148 4 роки тому +6

    Let Keano do the tackling just give the ball to Scholesy ,cos Paul Scholes he scores goals. Absolute Magician .Ginger Genius . you`d just run out of superlatives describing how good he was. In my all time greatest United team everyday of the week. MUMUFMUFC OK

  • @darrenstevens3333
    @darrenstevens3333 4 роки тому +3

    In my opinion, Paul Scholes was simply the best. Kept himself to himself and let the football do all his work. What a passer.... name a better passer than Paul Scholes? Oldham fan too. Took his kids to watch Oldham play with no special treatment and sat with all the other fans too. Now that's what I call a Man Utd Legend. Never forgotten and never will. My favourite player by far.

  • @davidpearson6785
    @davidpearson6785 4 роки тому +28

    Scholes is the reason I'm so bored of pogba, that comment, on his day pogba is world class....on his day....every Saturday and Wednesday scholes was on his day, not once every few months

    • @allenheywood2430
      @allenheywood2430 4 роки тому +6

      Scholes was ready to put in a performance 7 days of the week wherever a football match was going on. Pogba's not fit to tie his bootlaces!

    • @garythompson5316
      @garythompson5316 4 роки тому +1

      @@allenheywood2430 amen!

  • @dannyblackburn7558
    @dannyblackburn7558 4 роки тому +4

    What more can you say he’s just a total legend and football genius! Definitely one of the greatest ever 👍🏻

  • @sdawson556
    @sdawson556 4 роки тому +5

    The modest midfield maestro! Genius! Miss watching him play

  • @TRAJuho
    @TRAJuho 4 роки тому +3

    When I played football myself when I was younger, as a short centre midfielder who can't run quickly, Scholes was the player towatch and look to learn from and imitate.

  • @leemason666
    @leemason666 4 роки тому +3

    Paul Scholes was my favourite player ever at United. He was a magician. One of my favourite moments was his header against City *Stockport* in injury time at the etihad with about 15 seconds to go and won us the game. He could shoot from anywhere and hit the back of the net. His goal in the champions league against Barcelona will probably go down as his most important goal ever as we went on to reach the final and win it that year. Top video lads. 👏🏻

    • @WebbyONeill
      @WebbyONeill  4 роки тому +1

      Thanks Lee glad you enjoyed it

  • @willmaftds5646
    @willmaftds5646 4 роки тому +8

    Webby s recollection of plays in game and details incredible.

    • @WebbyONeill
      @WebbyONeill  4 роки тому +4

      Yep, we don't need Google when he's about

  • @arthurhayden
    @arthurhayden 4 роки тому +4

    Paul Scholes a giant of the game, in my all time united 11 always, impossible to leave out, the goals he scored from distance were unstoppable, always reminded me of the way Bobby Charlton scored , similar in scoring great goals and of both legends always. Paul Scholes, Incredible player and a great man.

  • @kiercronin1442
    @kiercronin1442 4 роки тому +2

    Watching Scholes on TV was only the half of it....
    Having the pleasure of watching him ping balls around in a stadium.... is one of the biggest joys anyone could experience in life.
    When he was young he was nippy too.... his timing in the box was genius

  • @Bri-254
    @Bri-254 4 роки тому +2

    Been watching United since the 60s and without doubt he would get in my best ever United team.
    He will go down as a historical figure in United's rich history that's the highest compliment I could give.
    Get an interview with him fellas.

  • @daveparry71
    @daveparry71 4 роки тому +2

    my favourite player ever an absolute footballing genius we are so lucky he was a united player

  • @kez007
    @kez007 4 роки тому +2

    Superb player. The bradford volley, Villa Barcelona. The header against the berts so many quality goals.

  • @tonylingard4849
    @tonylingard4849 4 роки тому +2

    Fantastic player for United Great Goals legend

  • @giggsy11able
    @giggsy11able 4 роки тому +2

    Met him in the nags head on his night out. Made time for everyone to have a photo personified his down to earth nature. On the pitch he had to be an attackers delight. He’d give the ball so early with a long pass or a quick flick round the corner into space. Then anything round the 18 yard he’d arrive in perfect time and was lethal. Even had a snog with Gaz and lived to tell the tale. Paul Scholes a United hero. Happy birthday!!! Brilliant video again

  • @rickyred001
    @rickyred001 4 роки тому +11

    Difficult to pick one stand out moment with Scholesy, because they were many, if i had to pick one it would have to be that 40 yard screamer he scored against barcelona in the cl semi final at old trafford.... even messi was jealous of that goal

  • @manc66
    @manc66 4 роки тому +1

    He was a good header of the ball as well.

  • @allenheywood2430
    @allenheywood2430 4 роки тому +7

    Saw him in the youth team and his passing range was unbelievable even then. Best Street footballer that's ever lived.

  • @jameswoodhouse9885
    @jameswoodhouse9885 4 роки тому +4

    Loved this. Loved Scholesy.
    What a player.

  • @Wheresthemusic
    @Wheresthemusic 4 роки тому +2

    I always felt privileged to watch Paul Scholes, how lucky were we that he played for our great club! Many great moments that I was there for but Inter Away was a special moment that season, sometimes goes under the radar. Love the channel lads, 👍

  • @johnneedham6859
    @johnneedham6859 4 роки тому +2

    Remember that port Vale game Webby, you triggered one from the memory box, Scholsie!! All you can say is ... the man is a united legend

  • @mickeyallen1965
    @mickeyallen1965 4 роки тому +2

    Made it all look so easy..always seemed to have time..genuinely world class a lovely footballer to watch....keep going lads smashing this 👍🙌

  • @crckr2010
    @crckr2010 4 роки тому +2

    Used to come up from Derby to watch him in youth team at Old Trafford, different class then different class always. All the things he did and memories but the one thing i always recall was that youth team, once he got the ball Ben Thornley and Keith Gillespie both started to run the flanks and Scholesy would find one of them with a pass to their feet

    • @WebbyONeill
      @WebbyONeill  4 роки тому

      Great memories, thanks for sharing

  • @neildriscoll2974
    @neildriscoll2974 4 роки тому +5

    Myf favourites players were Paul scholes and George Best

  • @vladimirminchev3933
    @vladimirminchev3933 4 роки тому +4

    Absolute Genius. My favorite midfielder ever, what a player. The only one coming close to him for me it’s Zidane.

  • @gart9680
    @gart9680 4 роки тому +11

    *Scholes Vs Gerrard:* Gerrard *retired at 35 having never won the EPL* & hardly played his final year. *Scholes retired at 36 winning the EPL.* Half way through the following season Utd were struggling. Scholes came back & Utd just missed out on the title. *The following year Utd win the EPL & Scholes retires again aged 37/8. Utd haven't won the EPL since.* Whereas Liverpool have gone on to win the title without Gerrard. *That sums the difference up.*

    • @benwaddington2186
      @benwaddington2186 3 роки тому

      Wow!! Great observation and analysis. Not thought about it like that. Wow!!

  • @truecockney438
    @truecockney438 2 роки тому +1

    From a West Ham fan Scholes was truly magnificent best English player ever in the premier league

  • @mikeardington8530
    @mikeardington8530 3 роки тому

    Magical a must in any team and with Roy lean wow

  • @jitendersinghwalia1134
    @jitendersinghwalia1134 4 роки тому +2

    one of the best midfield player

  • @dannystevens1988
    @dannystevens1988 4 роки тому +2

    Loved this thanks lads, scholes❤️

  • @markarmstrong2592
    @markarmstrong2592 4 роки тому +2

    Paul was better than a GENUIS he had so much skill it was unreal. You think he had EYES in the back of his head his vision was awesome and he made Michael Carrick into the player he become. Great video again lads keep them coming

  • @markdickens968
    @markdickens968 4 роки тому +2

    Paul Scholes was a genius and a very intelligent footballer. I met Wayne Rooney last year and he said paul was the greatest player he has played with. Look at what Edgar David's messi Xavi Zidane said about Scholes there's a reason for that its because he was world class

  • @summan41man
    @summan41man 4 роки тому +5

    Schmeichel
    Neville
    Ferdinand
    Stam
    Irwin
    Ronaldo
    Scholes
    Keane
    Giggs
    Cantona
    Rooney.
    Surely our best 11 of the prem era

    • @stephendunne377
      @stephendunne377 4 роки тому +2

      Wayne Rooney should be in our best prem team

    • @Adam-ui3ot
      @Adam-ui3ot 2 роки тому

      Maybe Vidic over Stan or Rio

  • @TheFrancieBrady
    @TheFrancieBrady 4 роки тому +2

    Loving these mini documentaries lads keep up the great work 😁😁

  • @stretfordender1999
    @stretfordender1999 4 роки тому

    One of my all time favourites. Great attitude and great tackler.

    • @garythompson5316
      @garythompson5316 4 роки тому

      If hate to be on the end of one of his tackles

  • @malcbradley6820
    @malcbradley6820 4 роки тому +2

    Great video again lads 👏👏👏

  • @rael1999
    @rael1999 4 роки тому

    His brilliance for me was his awareness of everything around him and knowing where he was going to put the ball before it got to him and having the ability to makes those passes, immediately and without looking up many times ! That's the difference between the opposition being able to shut attacks down and not being able to do a single thing about them. Scholes without doubt made us extremely dangerous on the break.

  • @SydPeppa
    @SydPeppa 4 роки тому +4

    Paul Scholes on the pitch is a Masterclass.

  • @wtfamiactuallyright1823
    @wtfamiactuallyright1823 4 роки тому +3

    The best passer and the most intelligent player we've ever had imo and for a short guy, incredible areal ability.
    Even tho Keane was my favourite ever player, I always tried to model myself on Scholesies style, along with Roberto Baggio. Shame I was shit. 😑

    • @WebbyONeill
      @WebbyONeill  4 роки тому +3

      Scholes and Baggio combined? You must've been some player pal

  • @andrewa.garshong3198
    @andrewa.garshong3198 4 роки тому

    Getting to the end of his career, he passed the ball (that was heading out around the LB area) behind him without looking there knowing the opposing players werent close enough (to the receiving teamate) and wouldnt expect him to do so. it was amazing!

  • @SuperiorNo1
    @SuperiorNo1 4 роки тому +2

    Paul Scholes is Greatest striker of the Ball in History Accuracy and Power Ridiculous 😈

  • @Joshgaliun
    @Joshgaliun 4 роки тому

    Hes my all-time favourite player ❤

  • @ja50nicstealth
    @ja50nicstealth 4 роки тому

    Paul Scholes is tops❗🔝🎩❤ Most favourite midfielder and glad he was one of our own

  • @Peter-or8oc
    @Peter-or8oc 2 роки тому

    For the best ever 11 scholes has that midfield position locked down absolutely unbelievable

  • @zakirkhodabocus9181
    @zakirkhodabocus9181 4 роки тому

    My favourite player

  • @premierleague1026
    @premierleague1026 4 роки тому +2

    If I could bring back two players in there prime to play for this current Utd team it would be Paul Scholes and Roy Keene . Paul Scholes had everything that you want playing in your midfield he was a genius .

  • @saviojardim1244
    @saviojardim1244 4 роки тому +2

    Scholesy was a genius. Absolute legend. Asthma and and had an eye problem was still the best player on the pitch

  • @mudasserahmed9960
    @mudasserahmed9960 4 роки тому +2

    1 word genius

  • @AdmV0rl0n
    @AdmV0rl0n 3 роки тому

    Scholes was a fantastic player through his whole career. Not just for one thing either. Earlier in career he played higher up the pitch. Then alongside a midfield partner. But - in my humble opinion - in the tail of his career - I think we saw a player who people saw in training more than we saw in public. That later era was one of enormous 'worldy' passes to the feet of wingers. And of knitting the play and game together. Dictation, possession, time and time again balls would land at the feet of Valencia, Ronaldo, Giggs. Pinpoint.
    Like a missile with a latest gen warhead. Game after game - like a machine. In that role he created a 'Quarterback' alike play, and even when old oppo struggled to get close.
    I actually think towards the end he used to get pissed off as the team lost the ball a lot in the last year or so. He kept the ball, but the team didn't and that increased defensive workload.
    It was very fitting in the year where in an approx sense we were top form and Barca were top form that the game at OT was decided by a Scholes gem that is now written into history. 1-0. Paul Scholes. And that was a peach.
    I also remember a game against Arsenal that IIRC was running long due to injuries. I think he was pissed off to be brought on very later. In only a few minutes, he put in two or three crunchy tackles, had Arsenal in meltdown and he delivered at least 3 world class passes. One was pinged. One was where he interchanged with about 4 passes and clipped an absolute magic ball that Wayne Rooney totally screwed, and the last one was 70 yards pass from a VOLLEY.
    And this was in his twilight era.
    That was the capability. The unspoken side outside of that was 700+ games, and across those games an amazingly high level of consistent play - and an amazing Career. I happen to personally dig that he was in true red devil style not just magic on the ball. But a red devil off it, and if you kicked him, you were gonna be kicked. Don't ever remember Scholes rolling around much.
    What-A-Player.

  • @abdouliesenghore8091
    @abdouliesenghore8091 Рік тому +1

    The video is a masterpiece ✨️.

  • @adamlong4843
    @adamlong4843 4 роки тому

    Watched him play in a charity game at trafford fc. Not normally arsed about pics but this is Paul Scholes we're talking about. He tried to back door it after the game but I was wise to it and waiting.
    He was sound and i got my pic. 👌

  • @Yanitedtv91
    @Yanitedtv91 4 роки тому +2

    Jamie Moore Legend

  • @buddha1062
    @buddha1062 2 роки тому

    Best United player ever. Well my favourite anyway. And I do rate the likes of Keane and Robo very highly. For me when we had Scholes and Keane in the centre of the park with Giggs and Becks on either side... Best midfield 4 ever.

  • @ilirunited389
    @ilirunited389 4 роки тому +4

    scholes is the best mid in history of football

  • @vs6300
    @vs6300 8 місяців тому +1

    United's best ever player.

  • @matt-fz2qz
    @matt-fz2qz 2 роки тому

    The man just reeks of tekkers to this day....I'm a Newcastle fan all my life and I used too love watching that man play on MOTD or live on TV......I'd even be chatting with my mates all united fans but I forgive them ha....I'd even be saying did you see that bastard Scholes (I say that with no hate btw) .....broke my heart a few times with a killer pass or just a sensational strike....he would have us talking for days about it.....and as I'm typing apparently going on years now 😂😂 but he really was a special talent

  • @jitendersinghwalia1134
    @jitendersinghwalia1134 4 роки тому

    I want to see ole on the show ! big fan

  • @dn8120
    @dn8120 4 роки тому +2

    I see a thumbs down by a Stockport county fan 😂😂😂

  • @waynehiggins4092
    @waynehiggins4092 3 роки тому

    As a Liverpool fan I loved scholes what a great player never worked for him at England if it did England win things

  • @satjinder
    @satjinder 4 роки тому +3

    If xavi says he's the best that's good enough for me

  • @akshatbetala2813
    @akshatbetala2813 4 роки тому +2

    The best of his generation apart from Zidane

  • @Amorim343
    @Amorim343 4 роки тому +2

    Sat nav❤️... should of had a ballon d’or

  • @AxlMorris1999
    @AxlMorris1999 4 роки тому

    Nice of Zidane to acknowledge cITY didn't exist until 2011! "Scholes of Manchester"

  • @josephfairish4610
    @josephfairish4610 4 роки тому

    We will never be able to replace him because no 1 has even come close so far not even to clean his boots.

  • @summan41man
    @summan41man 4 роки тому

    Langley legend

  • @jonwilliams3664
    @jonwilliams3664 4 роки тому

    I love this channel & it is head and shoulders above every other. But one thing that makes me laugh is when Webby narrates the text at the beginning, reminds me of a junior school Nativity play. (No criticism, just my humour😆)

    • @WebbyONeill
      @WebbyONeill  4 роки тому +1

      We're fans not professionals, just getting started pal glad you're enjoying watching

    • @jonwilliams3664
      @jonwilliams3664 4 роки тому +1

      @@WebbyONeill I love it boys. I couldn't do it for sure & as I said, it's no way a criticism. Nice to have a chuckle during these depressing times😁

  • @tommorgan88
    @tommorgan88 4 роки тому

    Simpley best ever

  • @davidcollins2044
    @davidcollins2044 4 роки тому +2

    Paul Scholes was a player you want every player to be in midfield.... closest player to him was Wayne Rooney when he played in midfield with his aggression and dinking chip passes and pin point passes getting sprayed all over the pitch they say we couldn't believe we had another Bryan Robson in Roy Keane well in my opinion we had another Paul Scholes in wayane Rooney but let him go

  • @bobliiswagger574
    @bobliiswagger574 3 роки тому

    Seeing how the game has changed and has become high pressing and high tempo game. Someone like Paul Scholes can just go in there and just take the sting out of the game completely. I don't think people understand how hard it is to dictate the tempo of the game and Paul Scholes done it effortlessly..

  • @johnwilkinson5008
    @johnwilkinson5008 4 роки тому

    Went to a reserve game v WBA 5-1 ( I think) came home and phoned my brother ‘ just bin to old Trafford , and there’s a little ginger haired kid , he’s like Maradona ‘

  • @chandrachurmukherjee4631
    @chandrachurmukherjee4631 4 роки тому +2

    My fav player of all time apart from certain Mr.Diego Maradona👌

  • @Timekeeper1200
    @Timekeeper1200 Рік тому +1

    Loved Scholsey. Not interested in fame or fortune, he just wanted to play football for United then go home.

  • @almawalker1432
    @almawalker1432 Рік тому

    Sorry to be blunt but our current crops of players needs to be schooled in the Paul Scholes way. If Barcelona derives inspiration from him and emulates him..why can’t our club do it? The guy is still there..all the time, why can’t they build the academy in his image? Why not Manchester United? That would be the best compliment and respect to a player
    who remained a united player, never asking for a raise, a transfer but remained a legend of the club. Paul Scholes Academy Of Manchester United. If ever the Qataris owned the club..I would urge them to do it.

  • @davidpearson6785
    @davidpearson6785 4 роки тому +2

    Ok, a weird thing happened to me today, fed up on lockdown, the old mental health not great, decided to walk from urmston to old Trafford just to have my dinner Sat outside the ground, of course, the seats are gone, so walk past hotel football, whos there.....only scholes and webby! Lol, I mumbled summat stupid I dunno but weird seeing one of ya hero's stood a yard or two away, all I can remember is I said hello or summat and both of them looked at me like I had two heads haha if looks could kill I'd be dead haha, no offence taken tho, I'm not one of these hang about hotels for celebs people lol all I wanted was to find somewhere to eat my sandwich after my long walk lol just thought I'd share this with ya, love the channel anyway today I found out what it feel like to be one of the common people haha! Can only imagine how much harassment scholes gets so it's all good.

    • @WebbyONeill
      @WebbyONeill  4 роки тому +1

      In future say hello mate, until next time👍🏻.

    • @davidpearson6785
      @davidpearson6785 4 роки тому

      Think was too starstruck webby haha I must have looked a right fit stood there with a pkt of sarnies lol I've never been an autograph Hunter type so just didn't know what to say lol apart from mumbling , just made up to even breathe the same air as the great man. Love this channel thanks webby, I was a bit out of my depth there today there was just nobody about I lift up my head and there's a living legend lol I stood there looking like Rodney trotter haha

  • @haroldthedog68
    @haroldthedog68 4 роки тому

    scholesy the best.

  • @quaivoauros7812
    @quaivoauros7812 4 роки тому +2

    Roy Keane

    • @WebbyONeill
      @WebbyONeill  4 роки тому

      Check out our Keane video here pal ua-cam.com/video/4BfsP_napnI/v-deo.html

  • @markdickens968
    @markdickens968 3 роки тому

    The only English player who would have fitted right into the Great Barcelona team could play in tight spaces and dictate play

  • @GrandpaVince
    @GrandpaVince 4 роки тому

    I think we can all agree that scholesy learned a lot from grandpa Vince

    • @WebbyONeill
      @WebbyONeill  4 роки тому

      👀

    • @GrandpaVince
      @GrandpaVince 4 роки тому

      @@WebbyONeill grandpa Vince used to take him up saddleworth moor and just volley footballs everywhere and say "go and find that paul" that's where he got his vision

  • @red-pn8fk
    @red-pn8fk 4 роки тому +2

    im glad jamie alluded to playing out of position for England. lampard and gerrard were not in the same league as Scholesy. a long list of bad managers for england desperate to put all three players in the sane team

  • @mikeardington8530
    @mikeardington8530 3 роки тому

    Magision

  • @anne-mariecallanan4290
    @anne-mariecallanan4290 Рік тому

    Scholes was brilliant but Giggs was mine he had everything

  • @neilc1803
    @neilc1803 3 роки тому +2

    Great footballer? Yes. Genius? Bit over the top but ok 🙄

  • @Powerbox1998
    @Powerbox1998 4 роки тому

    Of course scholes gets in the united all time 11

  • @imneverwrongsometimestruthlies
    @imneverwrongsometimestruthlies 4 роки тому

    We had him once...now we have mctominay and Fred 🤦

  • @PermanentMerka
    @PermanentMerka 4 роки тому

    Amongst the best EVER and no one loves utd more than me but he wasnt even that close to Gazza. Gazza was to 8's what Maradonna was to 10's what Ron was in inside forwards what Vidic was to ball attacking CB's lol.
    Gazza read game almost like Daily Blind, had way more through ball ability much better left foot. Perhaps the best weight of pass in history was a better dribbler than Giggs was good in air and had a will to win like Keane.
    Flawed genius. Oh what could have been for Utd

  • @Tricky181
    @Tricky181 Рік тому

    Was he even good?