Here's their ranking with timestamps: Good: 1. Marth 1:43 (Gold Medal Of Good) 2. Sora 2:32 (Silver Medal Of Good) 3. Pit 3:19 (Bronze Medal Of Good) 4. Zelda 4:06 5. Palutena 5:27 6. Chrom 6:40 7. Simon Belmont 7:27 8. Lucas 8:23 9. Lucina 9:12 10. Link, Young Link and Toon Link 10:21 11. Mario 11:34 12. Fox 12:18 13. Megaman 13:20 14. Roy 14:20 15. Shulk 15:05 16. Kirby 15:53 17. Yoshi 16:27 18. Diddy Kong 17:15 19. Hero 17:46 20. Samus Aran 18:13 21. Princess Peach 19:23 22. Pyra and Mythra 20:15 23. Robin and Corrin 21:41 24. Joker 22:40 25. Ike 23:23 26. Pokemon Trainers 24:17 27. Sonic the Hedgehog 25:06 28. Rictor Belmont 25:51 29. Princess Daisy 26:54 30. Banjo and Kazooie 27:24 31. Ness 28:12 32. Alph 28:45 33. Luigi 29:19 34. Pacman 29:55 35. Isabelle 30:27 36. Falco 30:57 37. Meta Knight 31:37 38. Dark Pit 32:15 39. Cloud Strife 33:09 40. Bayonetta 33:57 41. King Dedede 35:04 Grey Area: 42. Rosalina 36:02 43. Dr. Mario 36:48 44. Wii Fit Trainer 37:18 45. Ice Climbers 37:53 46. Inkings 38:23 47. Solid Snake 38:55 48. Captain Olimar 39:40 49. Villager 40:10 50. Duck Hunt Duo 40:54 51. Ivysoar, Squirtle, Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Pichu, Lucario and Greninja 41:34 52. Terry Bogard, Minmin, Little Mac and Ken Masters 42:47 53. Mii Fighters 43:26 54. Steve and Alex 44:08 55. Charizard 44:48 56. Byleth 45:26 57. Captain Falcon 46:27 58. Ryu 47:12 59. Mr. Game and Watch 47:57 60. R.O.B 49:12 Bad To Evil: 61. Inceneroar 50:16 62. Wario 51:22 63. Wolf O'Donell 52:08 64. Piranha Plant, Zombie and Enderman 53:04 65. The Koopalings (Larry, Morton, Wendy, Iggy, Roy, Lemmy and Ludwig) 53:45 66. Bowser Jr. 54:11 67. Mewtwo 54:44 68. King K Rool 55:47 69. Bowser 56:23 70. Kazuya Mishima 57:03 71. Dark Samus 57:59 72. Ridley 58:51 (Bronze Medal Of Evil) 73. Sephiroth 59:38 (Silver Medal Of Evil) 74. Ganondorf 1:00:50 (Gold Medal Of Evil) Sinner Medals: Darwin: Piranha Plant, Zombie and Enderman 1:01:36 Lust: Bayonetta 1:01:45 Envy: Dark Pit 1:01:57 Wrath: Ganondork 1:02:08 Glutton: King Dedede 1:02:15 Sloth: Princess Peach 1:02:27 Pride: Kazuya Mishima 1:02:35 Greed: Wario 1:02:45 Nitpicks: Yoshi and Luigi should be higher than Mario. Neither of them have as big of an ego as him. Luigi saved Mario from 3 mansions and Yoshi puts up with baby Mario's annoying crying. Let's not gloss over the fact that Yoshi gives an extra jump to Mario when needed. The Enderman should be in the grey area. It is confirmed in the Minecraft handbook that they are neutral, not hostile like zombies. They'll only bother you if you attack them (which could be argued as self defense) or if you stare into their eyes. Ganondorf shouldn't have the gold medal of evil. He was always destined to be evil. Unlike Ridley and Sephiroth who had the ability to do good but chose not to. Also where is Donkey Kong, I saw him in the box before Diddy Kong after they said Yoshi's ranking. 44:38 The Enderdragon should have the pronoun "she", not "it". This is because she lays an egg upon defeat, meaning she's a female.
I agree with the Luigi and Yoshi statements, Mario actually feels kind of grey and kind of does most of his heroic acts for fame and glory. Luigi deserves half the glory Mario gets but is sweet and laid back to those around him. Same with Yoshi. I do agree 100% with Marth being number 1, the guy is basically Jesus.
Yep. Not to mention he cares about his crew mates and as a matter of fact he would kick any of them out if they lie or backstab. I’d put him as the last neutral character personally
I'd put him above Captain Falcon.Wolf played a huge role in saving the Lylat system from the Aparoids and did save Fox's life. He did take jobs from Andross but I think saving the Lylat system is more heroic than being a bounty hunter/race car driver.
Agreed. The main difference between Wolf and Fox is who hires them and for what purpose, and for all his faults Wolf has a code of honor of his own that includes lines he won't cross for anyone, nor will he readily associate with those who would, as we saw when he kicked Pigma to the curb.
@@Ego-Fiend why WHY HE FREAKING SAVED THE UNIVERSE (I know we can't talk about thier role in smash but) HE SAVE EVERYONE TWICE (one when he ate king dedede badge and came back to life and the other escaping gallems attack) DID MARTH DO ANY OF THE NOOOOOOOOOOOO that's why I pick him as number 1
Mario I find is actually what I like to call a "half-silent" protagonist. Sure, he may not speak as much in his mainstream games, but in others such as Mario Kart, Sports, or even other games such as the Luigi's Mansion trilogy, he does have a few moments of dialogue in between, and he's definitely more of a speaking protagonist than say Link for example.
You forgot Donkey Kong’s placement, which I would argue goes in the lower end of the Good section, in that he is naturally inclined to protect his home and his fellow Kongs in the DKC games, but also plays an antagonistic role in the Mario vs. Donkey Kong series, though most of his motivation for that is simply to get his hands on toys rather than anything truly villainous.
I still believe Kirby deserves the Gold Medal, he is after all, the literal multidimensional incarnation of positive energy and love in his franchise, yeah, for those who don't know, that is canon. Edit: Holy sht 100+ likes in just one day. And yeah yeah, i understand that a lot of times the succ ability doesn't seem very heroic, but im pretty sure that as a baby he seems at the end rather than the means, which means he isn't aware of the things he does, he will pretty much moderate himself when he is mature.
I really feel Kirby and Yoshi should’ve been higher in the good list they’re both really wholesome/caring characters and Kirby is even the embodiment of positive energy
@@Wolfywolf7I dont think the problem is kirbys moral agency, but rather how rash and reckless he is when he tries to solve a problem. He always has good intentions though.
@@waikeonglim7703 This. Given the size of the roster, something like this was bound to happen. There are literally more characters on the Smash roster than the number of Pokémon that were introduced in the X and Y games.
17:13 I've noticed that even though he talked about Yoshi before Diddy, Donkey Kong appears before Diddy here. I've also noticed that with the captions on, they seem to talk about DK instead of Shulk.
With the captions on at 15:04, they read; "Not too far behind, we have the King of Swing, Donkey Kong. Much like the last few entrants, DK is a kind hero to the residents of Kong Island who has to be coerced into action more often than not. The difference here is that coercion takes the form of his banana hoard being stolen, with saving the Island being a happy accident. Because of this, DK's motivations tend to be based more on revenge rather than as a general sense of right and wrong, placing him lower than the previous few. Still, he's saved the day more than a few times, so this Kong's still one heck of a guy." They go by pretty fast before explaining Shulk, I'm guessing it was more of an editing error, especially considering how many fighters there are.
I think Link’s place on list is wrong, even when he’s silent he shows emotion in lots of the Zelda games especially in Twilight Princess where we see him literally go insane from the darkness imbued in him from the Twilight realm and and trying to save Ava.
Um, he doesn't go insane in Twilight Princess? The most you get is him probably going through pain of transforming when first entering Twilight Realms, and the vision thing that the Lanaryu light spirit showed him, where he gets slightly tranced by the scenery of it all. Other than the curse object thing Zant puts on him, he isn't really imbued by darkness. The only one you could argue he was, is putting on the Fierce Deity Mask from Majora's Mask, if you agree to the theory about what Majora might have deeper meaning about you being the bad guy if you use the mask. Otherwise most if not all Links are more happy go lucky, with silly and goofy moments. With only being serious when it comes to villains like Ganondorf.
I would argue that Solid Snake has much more agency that he's given credit for. Sure he is a Soldier but that only really applies to Metal Gear 1/2 and Solid, in Metal Gear Solid 2 he's acting as a free agent actively working to deter war and free Raiden from the SSS program. The same can be said about Metal Gear Solid 4. He might not consider himself a hero but he is mainly altruistic when put to the test. Not to mention even in cases like Metal Gear Solid the only reason he was involved with that mission is because he himself chose to come out of Retirement to prevent Nuclear War, something that is in the best interest of everyone and is far less morally ambiguous that most conflicts in War.
Judging him based on the circumstances of his birth is also doing him dirty since that is completely out of his control and goes against the whole point of MGS1.
@@glimmerstantroop46321 yeah Sephiroth only has like 1 maybe 2 redeeming qualities, Ganondorf has 4 consistent redeeming qualities, and 3 inconsistent redeeming qualities.
Kirby is not Dedede’s mortal enemy. If anything they are best friends, along side with Meta knight and bandanna Dee. He went from stealing all the food in his country to literally puttying his life on the line to make sure a waddle dee escaped a pack of killer beasts alive.
As much as NicoBBQ may have been towards both Mario (yes, that’s right, he made “Mario IS A HERO” (m.ua-cam.com/video/MYGt3cljnSI/v-deo.html) and Bowser (m.ua-cam.com/video/WM1f9sFHTCk/v-deo.html), he did state that they weren’t best friends but Mario was still nice enough to invite Bowser as a Mario Sports athlete like him and his friends. So, I guess that while they are frenemies in the veins of Kirby and King DeDeDe, Kirby and DeDeDe are the ones who just so happen to be best friends despite their differing roles.
He's more of an occasional rival. The last time he willingly fought Kirby, it felt more like competition and he even teamed up with Meta Knight. Speaking of Meta, his motives in Meta Knight's Revenge differs in the localization, where in the Japanese version he says he wants to end tyranny.
I was so relieved when you put Dedede at the end of the good section. He's had some impressive development over the series, and that one scene in FL where he saves the Waddle Dee who tripped and fell just cemented him as a true king.
King Dedede is like an alternate universe version of Bowser who Stopped Kidnapping Peach after Mario World or 64 and made a peace treaty with The Mushroom Kingdom. Not just in the RPG games, but in the entire series.
Here’s the big thing about Rosalina: what - in universe - is the star cursor? Basically, if you don’t know, Super Mario Galaxy has a mechanic where aiming a Wiimote at the screen gives you a little cursor to also control to help Mario on his adventure. That - in universe - is most likely Rosalina using her power to help Mario. It’s a blue star cursor and Rosalina even controls it in one of her moves during Smash to protect herself. By that logic, even though she isn’t there physically, she is guiding and assisting Mario to do things he couldn’t do otherwise (such as operate pull stars).
She's kind of like Raiden from the Mortal Kombat universe, serving as the protector of the cosmos (or Earthrealm in Raiden's case) and helping the main characters in their quest.
I personally believe Isabelle should be placed far higher. She isn't heroic because she doesn't need to be. I'm sure if there was an ever looming threat to the animal crossing universe, she would do what she could.
Yeah, I noticed that, too. It seems like they're ranking them on a lot more than just morality. It seems like the good characters are more ranked by heroism than morality, which don't necessarily go hand-in-hand (like you said, Isabelle isn't heroic because she doesn't need to be), while some of the villains are ranked more by their power, which isn't accurate (Bowser being underneath K Rool is a good example, K Rool has zero good qualities at all and Bowser actually does, yet Bowser was put lower simply because he's stronger?)
I agree! Isabelle isn't as strong as other Nintendo mascots, but does she have to be? She has a heart of gold, a strong work ethic, and she will do anything for her community.
I think the Koopalings should’ve been separated, since they have wildly different characterization: Good to evil: 1: Larry koopa. He is never portrayed with evil maliciousness and genuinely likes bowser and would risk his life for him although he can come off as sassy or ignorant. He is also a bit short-tempered, as seen when his stature is insulted in M&LPJ. 2:Ludwig von koopa He is a respectful opponent who, while being a bit of a show-off, is secretly humble and respects everyone around him, even Morton. He takes on responsibility and hates it when Larry (his best friend) gets hurt. Also seems to have an artistic hobby and likes composing music in peace (which Mario is implied to disturb). 3: Morton koopa jr He is a kind fella if you get to know him, but he is too destructive and enjoys destruction way too much for him to be any higher. 4:Wendy O. koopa She wants the best for the group, but is extremely quick to anger and lashes out on others. 5:Lemmy and Iggy koopa Since they basically are on the same wavelength, they can be grouped together. Iggy and Lemmy seem to enjoy Marios struggle more than any other koopaling, the two of them are also crazy and have some implied maniacal tendencies. They don’t do anything particularly malicious however. They are not evil by volition, they are just crazy and disregard morality for fun. 6:Roy koopa He commonly mocks everyone around him and doesn’t respect anyone (unless they beat him), which often backfired on him. He however is loyal to his friends and doesn’t want to seriously hurt them. The only koopaling I‘d say is evil, the others are just misguided by bowser.
Lemmy is canonically the least evil Koopaling. For example, in Color Splash, all the other Koopalings wanted to kill Mario, but he just wanted to embarrass Mario.
@@disneyvillainsfan1666 That'd be extremely out of character. First of all why would they want jobs? They have power in their current position and are probably rich. Second of all, they're shown as being extremely loyal to Bowser, like all his other minions, and they are also shown to just love being evil and causing chaos in general. Also for Larry, he is shown to be lazy, so I'd say he'd probably live in Ludwig's house and play video games while Ludwig goes to work if they ever do stop working for Bowser.
I think Rosalina should be in the good section. She is kind and wise which lives up to her being the Mother of the Lumas, and doing everything she can preventing the overall destruction and imbalance of the universe- where she would really need Mario's help for- is a reason how Mario's adventures can remain longer, rather than have it all end at Super Mario Galaxy. Also, she's the only princess who hasn't been kidnapped by the villain or anyone at all.
Also, the recent act of good that further proves this is that (Spoilers for Mario + Rabbids Sparks of Hope) Rosalina sacrificed herself for the protection of her Lumas when Cursa attacked and took control of Rosalina, and her love and willpower was strong enough to even allow her struggle out of Cursa's control. Also, of course, she allows Mario a means of defeating Cursa for good after she's freed in the final battle.
Luigi tends to be more easily scared but still faces his fears and does heroic things which makes him an extremely courageous character. Mario has no struggle doing heroic deeds. But Luigi does and still powers through despite being horrified.
While I mostly agree with kirby's placement (he could be like 3-5 places higher), I completely disagree with the reasoning for said placement. He doesn't need to be talked into helping people, this is proven in multiple games like crystal shards, super star, the recent forgotten land, etc. The reason he sometimes doesn't help immediately is because he doesn't know that something is happening due to him sleeping during it or something. I'm also surprised that you didn't mention his biggest flaw, his impulsive nature. He's always willing to help others and do what he thinks is right, but typically fails to completely understand his situation. Squeak Squad, Super Star, and Return to Dreamland are the best examples. Kirby's adventure is another one, but he was honestly fixing the problem in that game.
This post can be summed up by Kirby planet robobot's opening cutscene: Kirby sleeps through an invasion of his planet, but when he awakes, he immediatly goes to find out whay happened. Also, likely as a result of his impulsive nature, he doesn't think too highly of dedede and is quick to judge him when something happens
@@stinos24 in triple deluxe he wasn’t going to fight but to check what was going on, I’ll give you squeak squad though and chalk it up to flagship being a bit weird with the writing
It's interesting that you singled out Mega Man wanting to kill Wily. I'm pretty sure most of the other characters have killed evil enemies. Including those above him. Like the Fire Emblem characters. This channel also has a habit of including unrelated factors to figure out morality. How does Peach getting kidnapped all the time affect how good or evil she is? That kind of thing always annoys me when I watch these videos. I also dislike implications that blood relations have anything to do with morality. It was only mentioned, but I hate "sins of the father" logic that much. I know they had a lot to work through, but I feel like the ranking is all over the place. They kind of just put characters wherever and I disagree with a lot of their decisions.
This is why Bowser should have been a bit higher. They said they put him where he was because he was capable of dealing more damage. But the problem with that is, that's power, not morality. Bowser is morally much less evil than K Rool and at least should have been above him. K Rool has zero good qualities and only was above Bowser because he only had the capability to terrorize one island even though Bowser has actually good qualities and K Rool does not.
I don't disagree ALL the time, but one thing I do disagree with is Joker's placement. They're looking at his character purely lawfully. From what I see in him, he has a heart of gold up there with Sora and Pit. I personally think he could be #4 on the list.
Your not alone in this these lists annoy me too especially when these guys use incredibly shallow or vague reasoning for a charachter's placement. Even right at the start of this video he seemed to meerely judging this based on if someone has flaws or not. Which is not enough to decide if someone is good or evil, also the silent protagnist argument is really freaking annoying.
@@prestonandtom9337 Nah, there are more evil characters than Pete in the series, even if you don't count any of the Disney characters, like Xehanort for example.
I feel like you should've acknowledged Olimar's personality when talking about him, since all the games, even Hey Pikmin, do give some degree of attention to it, with his notes sometimes during and at the end of the days in Pikmin 1, Treasure Notes in Pikmin 2 and Hey Pikmin, and Data Logs in Pikmin 3, all giving information about Olimar's personality and life.
Okay, there are some flaws I noticed on this list. Firstly, you missed out Donkey Kong. Secondly you added Meta Knight, Dark Pit and King Dedede in the good category (though I would argue that Meta Knight deserved to be ranked in the good category, but should have been placed A LOT lower). Even if they are anti-heroes more consistently, they had _at least_ one villainous moment. Their heroic deeds were overestimated. There are also several characters in the grey area who should’ve been placed in the good category, including Rosalina, Ryu, Dr. Mario and arguably Captain Falcon, Olimar, Inklings and Snake. Rosalina is pure good and is possibly one of the most good characters on this list. Lastly, the “bad to evil” list was flawed. Wario and Incineroar are grey zoned/anti-heroes more often than not. Also I would place Mewtwo below Bowser Jr, The Koopalings, Piranha Plant, Enderman, Zombie and Wolf (and possibly in the bottom of the grey area). I would also place Bowser below King K. Rool, Ganondorf below Sephiroth, Dark Samus and Ridley, and Sephiroth below Dark Samus and Ridley. Ganondorf’s feats were overestimated. He has a few redeeming qualities (including honor, tragic backstory and failing the heinous standards to several Legend of Zelda villains). Ridley deserves the gold medal as most evil.
Completely agreed Rosalina should have been firmly in the good tier. Their reasons were not only unnecessarily harsh, but it is implied within her debut game that not only did she came from modern-day Earth, but it’s shown she had lost her parents and built a new life with the Lumas, so the reason she “doesn’t do anything” may be because she is still trying to get over her past, which may or may not still be fresh.
I respectfully disagree with your takes on Meta Knight and King Dedede. They definitely did some villainous things, but they’ve had character development since then, and they haven’t done anything truly bad in a while (excluding spin-offs which are of questionable canonicity).
To be fair, Sora did almost get possessed by Xehanort, and it would have happened too if Lea hadn’t come at the last second to block the beam meant for Sora’s heart. Preluding that, they were actively breaking down Sora’s defenses and dozing him off into a nightmare so that they could have the chance to corrupt him. Even after they came away with his body, he still needed Riku to wake him up from his own darkness. I remember this because I literally had to cool off after finally managing to beat Young Xehanort after countless tries on harder difficulties that I wanted the cutscenes to last longer. However, I do still think despite this, Sora is without a doubt a good character. I just wouldn’t have given him a medal for it even though he’s one of my favorites on the roster.
Marth used to have a great hatred towards Gra and every single person hailing from it because of their betrayal of Altea and the slaughter of his father. Shadow Dragon made it clear as much perfect as Marth seems, he is far from pure and is capable of nasty things. It took him some time to quell his hate for Gra, but he himself states that his hatred of them hasn't completely vanished.
Bruh, Terry deserves at least a little more credit. He is a hard working blue collar kind of man who regularly helps the people of South Town, he encourages kids to eat their vegetables and exercise and even plays basketball with them, he is genuinely friendly and nice to almost anyone (especially in the later KOF games where he had more lines of dialogue), tries to stop Geese Howard (his mortal enemy and the man who killed his father) from actually dying and when he fails, he adopts Rock (Geese's son) to lead the kid down a better path and not let him grow up without a father figure. The only things going against him are the fact that at first, his motivation was nothing but vengeance and the fact that he was actively trying to kill Geese in the first game.
@@sharzinlalebazri5673 How does someone become a KOF fan? I've played a couple of the games through ̶e̶m̶u̶l̶a̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ perfectly legal means and they're all really fun! I know who Terry, Mai, Andy, Yuri, and all the rest are, but is there like a specific game where all that information is given about Terry? Or is it spread across the Fatal Fury/KOF/Garou:Mark of the Wolves games?
Hold up.. Mythra & Pyra having initially used Rex for selfish purposes, but Sonic is ranked lower? He literally was willing to let Eggman go free again and again because he doesn't want to kill unless absolutely necessary
Well, yes and no. It's more than just them initially using Rex, so as to reach back to Elysium, to do something to themselves that Rex wouldn't like, due to his good nature. But to help Rex as well, as they believed, from what they last remember, that the place would help Rex and his world from the inevitable countries dying out, and prevent a war from breaking out between countries. Pyra and Mythra are willing and do want to help the world, not due to their mood or excitement, unlike Sonic. But kind of less so when they first met Rex. Due to an accident of them losing control of their powers once, and destroying one country as collateral, to no fault of their own (the other Aegis taunted them, and so much as killed others close to them to force their full power from them, to his own amusement) in the past. And blames themselves for something that wasn't entirely on them, and wants to leave the world, because they think they would put the world in danger again. Where as Sonic, he wasn't too banged up about inadvertently causing the world to break apart, by falling into Eggman's trap one time (Sonic Unleashed). As the video has said, he's sometimes a little too carefree and nonchalant about things like that.
Honestly, is Bayonetta really a bad guy? Just because she summons demons doesn't mean she's evil. Sorry, as a Bayo nerd, I always like to explain that she's more than what meets the eye. She was born into being a witch, and she lost control of her demon ONCE. She still then undid her mistake. She's a good person who saved the universe TWICE from evil, egotistical gods. She also hides her compassion. She's a good person, despite the fact that she uses the dark arts.
I feel like calling Roy arrogant and impatient is a _massive_ case of mis-characterization. However, I do unfortunately get it, as not only is his game unlocalized, he's also prone to having a very different personality in the eyes of people who aren't familiar with Binding Blade.
If anything the only not-good flaw I can think of that he has is him trying to be a role model mostly out of admiration for his father instead of just to help and guide others
@@wifi961 Kirby might be a hero but he doesn't seem to hate having to kill or to have any moral code besides "stealing food and destroying worlds bad" He's definitely good but he doesn't have much going on besides liking food and to help people
You misunderstood Ryu. He doesn’t open to the satsui no hado like Akuma does. Before SF 3 series, he is always fighting himself to never give in to the hado, only after he experiences it after defeating Sagat in SF1 does he learn about this and actively chooses to never tap into this power. He should be in the good side overall since he’s a kind hearted martial artist who always compliments or gives advice to other fighters and he was the one who defeated M. Bison, the main villain of SF, in SF5.
I'm glad they did this video. It makes the possibility of other crossover fighting games like Playstation all stars & Blazblue Cross tag battle more likely.
I think this is good, only thing I would add for Link is that in Breath of the Wild, there are various journals around that give him a bit more character, like how he loves food, but most importantly he chooses to be silent because he believes the burden of being the chosen hero should be worn silently without complaint, so that those around him don’t worry about him. Take that as you will.
In my version, I put Sonic at the very top because, while he can be a bit reckless, he has saved his world on SO MANY occasions and not just his own world.
11:23 Pretty sure that Toon Link should have his own rank, he is the link with the most personality and he has much more character traits than other links
I’m just glad that Villager wasn’t shoved straight to the bottom because he has an axe. If the player wants to be an axe psychopath, that’s their choice, but it doesn’t decide who Villager is as a whole. I get really tired of that quick and shallow conclusion, despite the fact that it can sometimes be funny.
I’d argue terry could be a bit higher in neutral considering he plays with kids in south town, adopts Rock and has a sense of justice. The only hit keeping him out of good being wanting revenge but that’s iffy considering Geese killed Jeff Bogard
Also let’s not forget that he tried to save his own arch enemy Geese Howard from death, and his reason for adopting Rock was to break the cycle of violence and revenge, plus he’s a good dude that loves to help his fellow locals in Southtown. I’d put him in the lower to mid good above Ryu as he was originally a revenge driven character who learned to open himself to the world around him and is truly friendly to most of the cast.
First of all, amazing video just by putting time and thought into the lore of each character. I'd argue for higher on some of the characters. 1. Ness because we do know that he willingly fights through time and space to save others. Doesn't even complain! 2. Luigi saves Mario multiple times and never says anything negative about constantly being left behind. He even had goals of being like his brother Mario. 3. Terry Bogard may have fought for revenge in his first game, but afterwards, we see him helping the people of South Town for years to come. He even tried to save his father's murderer, and when he failed, he took in Geese Howard's son and raised him so he wouldn't walk the same path. Terry even saved Rock Howard's mother's portrait in secret when Rock was exploring his father's mansion during South Town's fires. Terry also forgave Billy Kane, who worked for Geese, and when Billy Kane was full of rage because Terry is the one responsible for Geese's death, Terry basically apologized. He's more of a good character. Ridley and Sephiroth should be lower than Ganondorf. Ganondorf is the embodiment of Demise's hatred for Link and Zelda. It's his destiny. Sephiroth looks for reasons to hurt people because he genuinely feels entitled to his position as some sort of god. He desires not to rule like Ganondorf, but he desires to suck the planet's life force dry, including the people on it, then use the planet as a ship to travel the cosmos and do the same to other planets. Even Ganondorf didn't kill unnecessarily. Sephiroth told Cloud, "Tell me what you cherish most. Give me the pleasure of taking it away." Then, after he died for the THIRD time, he somehow went back in time and they are doing a reboot where we see Sephiroth seems to somehow have memories of the previous timeline. He's willing to rewrite all of time to destroy the planet. He's definitely got the gold medal of evil in my book.
Too many entries on this list don't have enough to go off of either being silent protagonists or just not enough backstory or screen time to determine a spot. I feel most of this list was just hand out spots based on wherever they felt like placing the character.
I think wario should've been in the grey area because he may be greedy and selfish but he still does care about his friends in warioware and usually is a pretty nice guy and at the end of the day he doesn't do anything monstrous or evil and is just greedy
I think you're being unfair to Ike here. It's pretty disingenuous to say his morals and allegiances lie with whoever hires him. He very clearly has a very strong sense of morality and will refuse to work for those who cannot accept it. This is the same man that shit-talked an Empress in her throne room surrounded by her royal guards WHILE SHE WAS HIRING HIM because he will not hesitate to make his refusal to accept inequality and bigotry known to all. He completely disowned his given nobility after he had used the position to end the war because, ironically despite being a mercenary, Ike is NOT a man that can be bought even by an offer as enticing as being a nobleman.
Donkey Kong got skipped lol. Either way I wouldn't necessarily put him at the same spot as Diddy, as while they're both similar heroically (laziness included), DK does have a few more blemishes on his record in the Mario vs. DK series
I was so surprised to see Rosalina that low. I wouldn't say she's a grey area character, but I do get the point of her retaining some pretty sizeable power but doing nothing with it in the SMG games
Honestly I think you should've put Yoshi, Kirby, and Rosalina higher Yoshi saved both Mario and Luigi as babies Kirby saved the world multiple times and is an incarnation of positive energy and love Rosalina literally rules the universe and decided to reset it in Galaxy to save people's lives
Glad King Dedede is considered the good. He has been opposing Kirby for a long time and is quite selfish but he is starting to grow into a nicer character. Hell, in The Forgotten Land, he is pretty much a good guy now thanks to his actions at the end of the game and was being mind controlled for the majority of the game.
While some parts where right about Bayonetta... Demons aren't exactly evil in her world just as angels aren't exactly good... Having demons doesn't make her a villian according to her world as she did save her world from a huge extermination.... Also Bayonetta only lost control of her demon once and it wasn't due to it being her fault. But the balance of her world being thrown off
13:00 Star Fox is a mercenary unit yes, but they're honorable and will never work for evil. Fox devotes himself to protecting those in need and will do it for free if need be but the Star Fox technology is very expensive which is why they require money
Yes! Even though he’s the leader of a team of mercenaries, Fox cares a lot about his friends. I personally see Fox and his friends like a family! Falco also seems to deeply care for Fox’s safety and is willing to put his own feathers in the unknown to protect him.
As much as it hurts for me to say, since I love the Ice Climbers, I think they should've been placed a lot lower, just because of the fact that they smack innocent animals with hammers just because they are a nuisance for their alpine hobbie, and that's not nice.
This list was so ridiculous. They put Sephiroth and Ganondorf as worse than Ridley and Dark Samus, put Ganondorf as worse than Sephiroth, Samus was ranked above LUIGI AND SONIC THE FUCKING HEDGEHOG, Bowser was ranked as more evil than King K. Rool, but worse of all, ROSALINA WAS LESS GOOD THAN SAMUS, DARK PIT, CLOUD, BAYONETTA AND KING DEDEDE!
Wow, you did absolutely no research on Terry Bogard. He tried to save the man who killed his father at the end of their fight by catching him as he fell out the window, only failing because the man himself decided to fall. He then proceeded to adopt his son and train him, and when his adopted son chose to go on his own path, he agreed and let him. As well as him taking care of his brother and their friend.
You know, you can’t count Roy being nobility against him when Marth, Chrom, and Lucina are all also royalty. Even by the end of the first half of Awakening, Chrom is a king, which you can’t say for Roy even at the end of Binding Blade (as his father, Eliwood, never dies). Lucina is also shown leading the army of future children in the Future Past DLC from Awakening, Chrom leads the Shepherds, or the player’s army in Awakening (he’s the leader, Robin is the tactician), and Marth leads the army in his games as well. I’ve never played Binding Blade (I don’t have an emulator + I’ve never found a translation and I can’t read Japanese), but even speaking as someone who only has pretty surface-level Fire Emblem knowledge, I think that’s a bit unfair.
Their point is that since he is a noble and not a royal his leadership isn't questioned as much. Which is an obviously weird take even in a vacuum, and becomes even weaker once we remember Lycia is a federation without a monarch and that the marquise's of Lycia are effectively sovereign rulers.
thank you so much for this video! this is one that I've been requesting for a while. I have a question though, did you include Donkey Kong on this list? I don't think I recall seeing him. for my next suggestion for a Good to Evil list: Undertale characters
I think they weighed the silent protagonist thing too heavily...in a lot of those games the story itself will show the personality...I feel like the constant use of this became a cop-out
It definitely took more than a hour to make the editing the writing and deciding which characters place where also doing research on the games doing all that would take way more than a an hour
This is a good list, but I feel like going more in-depth on some character's stories would've been beneficial. Ness, for example, is ranked surprisingly low even if he's a silent protagonist. He willingly goes on a journey he knows is incredibly dangerous to save the world. He still considers Porky, probably one of the more evil Nintendo antagonists, a friend despite his actions. He saves Paula from a cult. He helps free the Mr. Saturns and helps the Tendas get over their shyness. And he defeats both his own inner evil and the embodiment of evil (to be fair though, Paula kinda does most of the work to defeat Giygas, but only because Ness & co. did so many good deeds that those that they helped prayed for their safe return). Lucas is deservedly higher ranked, though, since he did go through A LOT and came out the other end a genuinely kind boy who fought for his friends and his village.
I’ve been asking a question: In the Subspace Emissary, all the characters (expect Jigglypuff, Wolf, Toon Link and Sonic) have interacted with each other. But which duet have the most healthy relationship and which duet have the most toxic relationship? Here are the rules: One, they most have interacted in at least two scenes. Two, like most of the characters don’t canonically know each other, only their relationship in the Subspace Emissary will be included. And third, like there are lots of relationships in Brawl’s story mode, we’ll be only include the most major of the plot.
Healthy: Mario and Pit Pokémon Trainer and Lucas Samus and Pikachu Captain Falcon and Olimar Donkey Kong and Diddy Kong King Dedede and Kirby Peach and Zelda/Sheik Toxic: The only one I can think of are Bowser and Ganondorf, because they team up to defeat the heroes
Bowser jr is NOT a koopaling, he's Bowser's actual son, thus he is the literal prince of the Koopas and in most occasions Bowser's 2nd in command. He also hates the Mario bros almost, if not just as much as Bowser does, going out of his way to cause trouble for them and only teams up with them if he's desperate, whereas the actual koopalings, while they also dislike Mario, don't really care as much as Bowser/Jr, and mainly do what they do under Bowser's orders
Before I finished the entire video, I wanted to see what everybody thought. Going through the comments, I stumbled upon a debate whether or not Yoshi and Kirby should have been #1. And that's when I realized something: Every character on this list... is incredible! Whether they are good or evil, they still inspire us to do things that we might not normally do, or they lift us up when we are feeling sad. Or just help us dream! And the fact that each person has their own opinions on who is the goodest and who is the most evil, really shows just how much love everyone receives. It's really heart-warming to know that every character is beloved in some way. I guess that's kind of the spirit of Smash Bros. too; no matter where you come from or what your past is (just like your character), you are still a fighter. So no matter where the character(s) you support end up on this list: in my heart, they will ALL the best for making you smile! And I hope that all of your characters end up in the #1 spot. Because they all deserve it. :) PS: *I'm notsure if "goodest" is a word, but I wanted to put it here anyway (-'u'-)
PSS: This is totally unrelated to everything above, but am I the only one who gets reminded of Deku from My Hero Academia when I see Pit? [their voices sound so similar!] >:0
I am very impressed! Ranking all of the Smash Bros Fighter’s Morality is incredibly ambitious for even the most knowledgeable gamers! Smash Ultimate is my favorite Game and this list is very well done! I’d also love to see a Smash Bros Assist Trophies: Good to Evil list sometime.
I'm a little confused on why Zero Suit Samus and Sheik didn't get their own spots. Your reasoning for including doctor mario was because him and mario are separate character slots, so are Sheik and ZSS so wouldn't they be included too? By that logic young link and toon link should also get their own spots right? Toon Link and Young Link are just different versions of Link yeah, but Dr. Mario is just a different version of Mario
I like the good characters like Banjo & Kazooie, Chrom, Cloud, Daisy, Diddy Kong, Donkey Kong, Dr. Mario, Ice Climbers, Ice Climbers, Inkling, Leaf, Link, Lucas, Lucina, Luigi, Mario, Mega Man, Min Min, Ness, Palutena, Peach, Pit, Red, Rosalina & Luma, Sora, Toon Link, Villager, Wii Fit Trainer, Yoshi, Young Link, Zelda and Zero Suit Samus.
I think krool is worse than bowser because bowser has been proven several times to have a good relationship with his son and he is like dedede , willing to team with mario if the circumstances are right
I disagree with the evil list: King K.Rool was literally ready to KILL HIMSELF as long as he'd kill the Kongs, he risked the lifes of his minions and himself just out of spite of DK and his friends, so what if he didn't have the materials needed to plan a galactic conquest like Bowser? You seriously think he WOULDN'T try the same thing if HE had gotten the grand stars? Because *that's what matters*, this is about MORALITY,not power, not who's the greater treat, who's the worst person, and K.Rool is a far worst person than Bowser, Bowser cares for his son and minions and would never risk their and his lifes just to end mario's- he might risk his, but he wouldn't put his minions and family in danger,unlike K.Rool. and before you say "he sends them to fight Mario and co everytime" They're not in risk of dying there, Goombas don't die when they're stomped, ask Captain Goomba, or play Yoshi's island, Bowser's minions don't die when they fight Mario- Bowser WOULDN'T risk their life because he cares about them,simple as that, K.rool doesn't give a shit about anyone and risked both his and his minions lifes just to end DK, K.Rool is worst,end of story. And if you still think Bowser is more evil "because he tried to destroy the universe and then recreate his own one!" Yeah, he and his minions wouldn't have died, sure, everyone else Bowser doesn't care about would, but that's the point, Bowser doesn't care, he doesn't care if kills billions of innocents as long as he achieves his goals. What are his goals again? World domination alongside marrying peach. What are K.rool's goals? *Killing the Kongs* K.Rool is doing what he does out of spite, Bowser is doing it out of hunger for power, K.rool tortures his own minions to make them do what he wants and doesn't care if they die, K.rool is also potentially racist against the Kongs. Bowser has more morales and his reasons are definitely better than "because I hate their guts", if K.rool had HIS hands on the grand stars, he wouldn't even bother to recreate the universe, he'd just blow it up with himself, as long as DK is dead, fine by him. K.rool is worst. And Ridley is definitely, DEFINITELY worst than Ganondorf, that's no contest, Ridley should of been the most evil, I don't even need to explain why.
1,000,000% agree. In fact King K Rool is NPE while Bowser is IH and Ganondorf isn't either of them due to the fact that he has several redeeming qualities and fails the heinous standard of his franchise so while Ganondorf is more evil than Bowser and K Rool, Kazuya, Sephiroth, Dark Samus, and Ridley are still much worse than Ganondorf.
Indeed. K. Rool’s evilness also comes close to the likes of Kazuya and Ganondorf (albeit, still not nearly heinous as them). Also I 100% agree. There’s no denying that Ridley is MUCH worse than Ganondorf. Dark Samus and Sephiroth are also threats on a universal scale and have no redeeming qualities either (the latter lost nearly all of them when he went insane), so they are worse than Ganondorf too.
Goombas do die when they're stomped. I don't know what retcon was made, but originally a stomp meant a Goomba death. I agree with you that King K.Rool is more immoral than King Koopa.
As an enderman I take personal offense to me being near the bottom next to wild plant (also should be neutral) and zombies (evil). We only attack either when attacked or if stared at. We don’t know why we go faral due to it but yea.
In Pokémon origins it give Red the personality that Gamefreak wants. The Greninja in smash is actually Ash’s Greninja, which would make his reputation a lot higher than all the other Pokémon
Props to you for doing this, it probably took ages, and most of the rankings are pretty accurate too. I'M Satisfied. (You did skip DK unintentionally by the way.)
Luigi isn't really cowardly when you think about it. He was willing to go into a ghost infested house that appeared out of nowhere and given a vacuum by a strange professor that he is no expert on using and save mario from all kinds of hazards. Well then again. Maybe he is just foolish. That counts, but his heart is in the right place.
@@cbfranco3307 EXACTLY. I almost ripped my eyes out of my head when I saw how low they put my boy Luigi. And I’m still ticked off about it to this very day!
A note about Lucario: It's possible that the Lucario in Smash is from the movie "Lucario and the Mystery of Mew", solely based on the fact that this one has at least a few voice lines in a proper language. (Such as "MAX AURA!" from its final smash)
Ridley has a soft spot for cute things according to the manga. He and dark samus should have swapped positions since dark samus doesn't care if something is cute or not, but ridley does
@@hiddenpowerfairy uh yeah. It's apparent he would have spared Samus, but some theorize he didn't because "he couldn't find a way to justify it to his troops" which doesn't make sense since he usually kills whoever doesn't obey him or questions him.
In the official novels Steve and Alex had personalities. Steve was much more of a pacifist and nice guy while Alex was the adventurous. Ness in my opinion should be placed higher because the fact that he went out of his way to save the universe while being only 13 years old is pretty telling. Besides he has also helped many people during his adventure even tough he didn’t even know them before. In the PacMan World Series (the most we get out of Pac-Man’s canon personality) he wants to beat for his family and people. Kirby should also be much higher since all of his negatives can be excused with the fact that he’s still a baby (confirmed in Kirby right back at ya, it’s not contradicting itself with the canon and has a bunch of links with the games).
In Smash Ultimate, Zelda’s appearance is based on a Link Between Worlds, it was mentioned in the roster reveal, just thought I’d point it out. Great video!
Here's their ranking with timestamps:
Good:
1. Marth 1:43 (Gold Medal Of Good)
2. Sora 2:32 (Silver Medal Of Good)
3. Pit 3:19 (Bronze Medal Of Good)
4. Zelda 4:06
5. Palutena 5:27
6. Chrom 6:40
7. Simon Belmont 7:27
8. Lucas 8:23
9. Lucina 9:12
10. Link, Young Link and Toon Link 10:21
11. Mario 11:34
12. Fox 12:18
13. Megaman 13:20
14. Roy 14:20
15. Shulk 15:05
16. Kirby 15:53
17. Yoshi 16:27
18. Diddy Kong 17:15
19. Hero 17:46
20. Samus Aran 18:13
21. Princess Peach 19:23
22. Pyra and Mythra 20:15
23. Robin and Corrin 21:41
24. Joker 22:40
25. Ike 23:23
26. Pokemon Trainers 24:17
27. Sonic the Hedgehog 25:06
28. Rictor Belmont 25:51
29. Princess Daisy 26:54
30. Banjo and Kazooie 27:24
31. Ness 28:12
32. Alph 28:45
33. Luigi 29:19
34. Pacman 29:55
35. Isabelle 30:27
36. Falco 30:57
37. Meta Knight 31:37
38. Dark Pit 32:15
39. Cloud Strife 33:09
40. Bayonetta 33:57
41. King Dedede 35:04
Grey Area:
42. Rosalina 36:02
43. Dr. Mario 36:48
44. Wii Fit Trainer 37:18
45. Ice Climbers 37:53
46. Inkings 38:23
47. Solid Snake 38:55
48. Captain Olimar 39:40
49. Villager 40:10
50. Duck Hunt Duo 40:54
51. Ivysoar, Squirtle, Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Pichu, Lucario and Greninja 41:34
52. Terry Bogard, Minmin, Little Mac and Ken Masters 42:47
53. Mii Fighters 43:26
54. Steve and Alex 44:08
55. Charizard 44:48
56. Byleth 45:26
57. Captain Falcon 46:27
58. Ryu 47:12
59. Mr. Game and Watch 47:57
60. R.O.B 49:12
Bad To Evil:
61. Inceneroar 50:16
62. Wario 51:22
63. Wolf O'Donell 52:08
64. Piranha Plant, Zombie and Enderman 53:04
65. The Koopalings (Larry, Morton, Wendy, Iggy, Roy, Lemmy and Ludwig) 53:45
66. Bowser Jr. 54:11
67. Mewtwo 54:44
68. King K Rool 55:47
69. Bowser 56:23
70. Kazuya Mishima 57:03
71. Dark Samus 57:59
72. Ridley 58:51 (Bronze Medal Of Evil)
73. Sephiroth 59:38 (Silver Medal Of Evil)
74. Ganondorf 1:00:50 (Gold Medal Of Evil)
Sinner Medals:
Darwin: Piranha Plant, Zombie and Enderman 1:01:36
Lust: Bayonetta 1:01:45
Envy: Dark Pit 1:01:57
Wrath: Ganondork 1:02:08
Glutton: King Dedede 1:02:15
Sloth: Princess Peach 1:02:27
Pride: Kazuya Mishima 1:02:35
Greed: Wario 1:02:45
Nitpicks:
Yoshi and Luigi should be higher than Mario. Neither of them have as big of an ego as him. Luigi saved Mario from 3 mansions and Yoshi puts up with baby Mario's annoying crying. Let's not gloss over the fact that Yoshi gives an extra jump to Mario when needed.
The Enderman should be in the grey area. It is confirmed in the Minecraft handbook that they are neutral, not hostile like zombies. They'll only bother you if you attack them (which could be argued as self defense) or if you stare into their eyes.
Ganondorf shouldn't have the gold medal of evil. He was always destined to be evil. Unlike Ridley and Sephiroth who had the ability to do good but chose not to.
Also where is Donkey Kong, I saw him in the box before Diddy Kong after they said Yoshi's ranking.
44:38 The Enderdragon should have the pronoun "she", not "it". This is because she lays an egg upon defeat, meaning she's a female.
I still think kirby is the most good while Ness is silver and sora us bronze
thank you
Donkey Kong is one spot above Diddy Kong
Dr Mario should be in good, as well as R.O.B.. I just feel an insane amount of sympathy for him. Isabelle should be higher as well.
I agree with the Luigi and Yoshi statements, Mario actually feels kind of grey and kind of does most of his heroic acts for fame and glory. Luigi deserves half the glory Mario gets but is sweet and laid back to those around him. Same with Yoshi.
I do agree 100% with Marth being number 1, the guy is basically Jesus.
Wolf should be in the grey area, he'll take evil jobs but he's still willing to do good as shown in Assault and Command
Yep. Not to mention he cares about his crew mates and as a matter of fact he would kick any of them out if they lie or backstab. I’d put him as the last neutral character personally
I'd put him above Captain Falcon.Wolf played a huge role in saving the Lylat system from the Aparoids and did save Fox's life. He did take jobs from Andross but I think saving the Lylat system is more heroic than being a bounty hunter/race car driver.
I was thinking the same thing!!
Agreed. The main difference between Wolf and Fox is who hires them and for what purpose, and for all his faults Wolf has a code of honor of his own that includes lines he won't cross for anyone, nor will he readily associate with those who would, as we saw when he kicked Pigma to the curb.
This is like putting Noah on evil list from Total Drama
The Good
1:44: Marth (#1)
2:33: Sora (#2)
3:19: Pit (#3)
4:06: Zelda (#4)
5:27: Paultena (#5)
6:40: Chrom (#6)
7:26: Simon (#7)
8:23: Lucas (#8)
9:12: Lucina (#9)
10:21: Links (Present Young Toon) (#10)
11:33: Mario (#11)
12:18: Fox (#12)
13:18: Megaman (#13)
14:20: Roy (#14)
15:05: Shulk (#15)
15:53: Kirby (#16)
16:27: Yoshi (#17)
17:14: Donkey Kong and Diddy Kong (#18)
17:47: Hero Quartet (#19)
18:18: Samus (#20)
19:21: Peach (#21)
20:14: Pyra and Mythra (#22)
21:41: Robin and Corrin (#23)
22:41: Joker (#24)
23:23: Ike (#25)
24:17: Pokémon Trainers (#26)
25:07: Sonic (#27)
25:52: Richter (#28)
26:55: Daisy (#29)
27:24: Banjo Kazooie (#30)
28:12: Ness (#31)
28:45: Alph (#32)
29:19: Luigi (#33)
29:55: Pac-Man (#34)
30:26: Isabelle (#35)
30:58: Falco (#36)
31:37: Meta Knight (#37)
32:14: Dark Pit (#38)
33:09: Cloud (#39)
33:57: Bayonetta (#40)
35:05: King Dedede (#41)
The Grey
36:03: Rosalina (#42)
36:48: Dr. Mario (#43)
37:18: Wii Fit Trainers (#44)
37:54: Ice Climbers (#45)
38:24: Inklings (#46)
38:55: Snake (#47)
39:40: Olimar (#48)
40:11: Villagers (#49)
40:53: Duck Hunt (#50)
41:34: Ivysuar Squirtle Pikachu Jigglypuff Pichu Lucario Greninja (#51)
42:48: Terry Min Min Little Mac and Ken (#52)
43:26: Miis (#53)
44:08: Steve and Alex (#54)
44:48: Charizard (#55)
45:28: Byleth (#56)
46:29: Captain Falcon (#57)
47:12: Ryu (#58)
47:57: Mr. Game and Watch (#58)
49:13: R.O.B (#59)
The Evil
50:16: Incineroar (#60)
51:22: Wario (#61)
52:10: Wolf (#62)
53:04: Piranha Plant Zombie and Enderman (#63)
53:45: Larry Morton Wendy Iggy Roy Lemmy Ludwig (#64)
54:12: Bowser Jr. (#65)
54:45: Mewtwo (#66)
55:48: King K.Rool (#67)
56:23: Bowser (#68)
57:02: Kazuya (#69)
57:59: Dark Samus (#70)
58:51: Ridley (#71)
59:39: Sephiroth (#72)
1:00:50: Ganondorf (#73)
I would put kirby at number 1
Shulk is not shirt less that is just what his player desires.
It’s Ivysaur, not Invenasaur
@@JuJu-bq9uq why?
@@Ego-Fiend why WHY HE FREAKING SAVED THE UNIVERSE (I know we can't talk about thier role in smash but) HE SAVE EVERYONE TWICE (one when he ate king dedede badge and came back to life and the other escaping gallems attack) DID MARTH DO ANY OF THE NOOOOOOOOOOOO
that's why I pick him as number 1
Mario I find is actually what I like to call a "half-silent" protagonist. Sure, he may not speak as much in his mainstream games, but in others such as Mario Kart, Sports, or even other games such as the Luigi's Mansion trilogy, he does have a few moments of dialogue in between, and he's definitely more of a speaking protagonist than say Link for example.
Link be like: HYAAAH! HUP! HIYAH!
And of course, how can we forget his most iconic dialogue from M vs DK, "Come back here you big monkey!"
You forgot Donkey Kong’s placement, which I would argue goes in the lower end of the Good section, in that he is naturally inclined to protect his home and his fellow Kongs in the DKC games, but also plays an antagonistic role in the Mario vs. Donkey Kong series, though most of his motivation for that is simply to get his hands on toys rather than anything truly villainous.
In the subtitles, he’s right before Shulk. I would put Donkey Kong between Meta Knight and Dark Pit.
I still believe Kirby deserves the Gold Medal, he is after all, the literal multidimensional incarnation of positive energy and love in his franchise, yeah, for those who don't know, that is canon.
Edit: Holy sht 100+ likes in just one day.
And yeah yeah, i understand that a lot of times the succ ability doesn't seem very heroic, but im pretty sure that as a baby he seems at the end rather than the means, which means he isn't aware of the things he does, he will pretty much moderate himself when he is mature.
Yeah
Well he did attack Dedede over a slice of cake, if anything Yoshi should’ve gotten the top spot it shouldn’t matter if it’s a random Yoshi or not
keep in mind that kirby is also the guy that eats people just to gain their powers, including gods
@@itsendy-g2p Thank you
Kirby is like the Iron Man of Super Smash Bros
I really feel Kirby and Yoshi should’ve been higher in the good list they’re both really wholesome/caring characters and Kirby is even the embodiment of positive energy
I'm just gonna ignore this on the kirby part for my own reasons
Kirby should've definitely been higher up
@@Wolfywolf7I dont think the problem is kirbys moral agency, but rather how rash and reckless he is when he tries to solve a problem. He always has good intentions though.
And Yoshi sacrificed himself like 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999 times! How are people malicious monsters!?!
And Yoshi saved a baby child! How is that not good!?!
What happened to Donkey Kong? He's mentioned in the subtitles but was never described or shown in this video. :(
They probably cut him on accidentally
Maybe they might see this and re-upload it
Yosh turn into donkey Kong.
Would you like me to talk about him
@@waikeonglim7703 This. Given the size of the roster, something like this was bound to happen. There are literally more characters on the Smash roster than the number of Pokémon that were introduced in the X and Y games.
I've dreaming of this list for a long time. I'm so happy with how it turned out. You guys are the best.
P.S: you skipped over Donkey Kong.
Me too.
17:13 I've noticed that even though he talked about Yoshi before Diddy, Donkey Kong appears before Diddy here. I've also noticed that with the captions on, they seem to talk about DK instead of Shulk.
With the captions on at 15:04, they read;
"Not too far behind, we have the King of Swing, Donkey Kong. Much like the last few entrants, DK is a kind hero to the residents of Kong Island who has to be coerced into action more often than not. The difference here is that coercion takes the form of his banana hoard being stolen, with saving the Island being a happy accident. Because of this, DK's motivations tend to be based more on revenge rather than as a general sense of right and wrong, placing him lower than the previous few. Still, he's saved the day more than a few times, so this Kong's still one heck of a guy."
They go by pretty fast before explaining Shulk, I'm guessing it was more of an editing error, especially considering how many fighters there are.
it is an understandable error. And I'm not mad about it. They did have to work with a lot here. This list is still cool nonetheless.
Yes i was thinking that too
I think Link’s place on list is wrong, even when he’s silent he shows emotion in lots of the Zelda games especially in Twilight Princess where we see him literally go insane from the darkness imbued in him from the Twilight realm and and trying to save Ava.
And he has no bad qualities in him just like Mario, Zelda, Luigi, Rosalina, and Kirby.
Yeah they kinda got it wrong it happens sometimes so you can put it anywhere on your list
Smash link is botw link.... Who doesn't really show much emotion
Um, he doesn't go insane in Twilight Princess? The most you get is him probably going through pain of transforming when first entering Twilight Realms, and the vision thing that the Lanaryu light spirit showed him, where he gets slightly tranced by the scenery of it all. Other than the curse object thing Zant puts on him, he isn't really imbued by darkness.
The only one you could argue he was, is putting on the Fierce Deity Mask from Majora's Mask, if you agree to the theory about what Majora might have deeper meaning about you being the bad guy if you use the mask. Otherwise most if not all Links are more happy go lucky, with silly and goofy moments. With only being serious when it comes to villains like Ganondorf.
And Link's Courage, Power, Wisdom and the Pure Heart to wield the Master Sword
I would argue that Solid Snake has much more agency that he's given credit for. Sure he is a Soldier but that only really applies to Metal Gear 1/2 and Solid, in Metal Gear Solid 2 he's acting as a free agent actively working to deter war and free Raiden from the SSS program. The same can be said about Metal Gear Solid 4. He might not consider himself a hero but he is mainly altruistic when put to the test. Not to mention even in cases like Metal Gear Solid the only reason he was involved with that mission is because he himself chose to come out of Retirement to prevent Nuclear War, something that is in the best interest of everyone and is far less morally ambiguous that most conflicts in War.
Judging him based on the circumstances of his birth is also doing him dirty since that is completely out of his control and goes against the whole point of MGS1.
@@nocturn333 imagine literally being called less good just because you were born
I think Ridley is a lot more evil than ganondorf honestly
100% agreed, seriously Ridley has no redeeming qualities whatsoever Ganondorf on the other hand has 4 redeeming qualities.
Sephiroth too honestly
@@glimmerstantroop46321 yeah Sephiroth only has like 1 maybe 2 redeeming qualities, Ganondorf has 4 consistent redeeming qualities, and 3 inconsistent redeeming qualities.
Ganondorf only kills those that defy him or get in his way.
Ridley enjoys causing pain because he’s canonically a sadist
@Master Dizzy PLUS I agree
Kirby is not Dedede’s mortal enemy. If anything they are best friends, along side with Meta knight and bandanna Dee. He went from stealing all the food in his country to literally puttying his life on the line to make sure a waddle dee escaped a pack of killer beasts alive.
Well in the past they were
As much as NicoBBQ may have been towards both Mario (yes, that’s right, he made “Mario IS A HERO” (m.ua-cam.com/video/MYGt3cljnSI/v-deo.html) and Bowser (m.ua-cam.com/video/WM1f9sFHTCk/v-deo.html), he did state that they weren’t best friends but Mario was still nice enough to invite Bowser as a Mario Sports athlete like him and his friends.
So, I guess that while they are frenemies in the veins of Kirby and King DeDeDe, Kirby and DeDeDe are the ones who just so happen to be best friends despite their differing roles.
He's more of an occasional rival. The last time he willingly fought Kirby, it felt more like competition and he even teamed up with Meta Knight. Speaking of Meta, his motives in Meta Knight's Revenge differs in the localization, where in the Japanese version he says he wants to end tyranny.
Let's be real here, the actual reason Ike didn't got placed any lower on the list is because he fights for his friends.
I was so relieved when you put Dedede at the end of the good section. He's had some impressive development over the series, and that one scene in FL where he saves the Waddle Dee who tripped and fell just cemented him as a true king.
Agreed
King Dedede is a good king
King Dedede is like an alternate universe version of Bowser who Stopped Kidnapping Peach after Mario World or 64 and made a peace treaty with The Mushroom Kingdom. Not just in the RPG games, but in the entire series.
Here’s the big thing about Rosalina: what - in universe - is the star cursor? Basically, if you don’t know, Super Mario Galaxy has a mechanic where aiming a Wiimote at the screen gives you a little cursor to also control to help Mario on his adventure. That - in universe - is most likely Rosalina using her power to help Mario. It’s a blue star cursor and Rosalina even controls it in one of her moves during Smash to protect herself. By that logic, even though she isn’t there physically, she is guiding and assisting Mario to do things he couldn’t do otherwise (such as operate pull stars).
She's kind of like Raiden from the Mortal Kombat universe, serving as the protector of the cosmos (or Earthrealm in Raiden's case) and helping the main characters in their quest.
I personally believe Isabelle should be placed far higher. She isn't heroic because she doesn't need to be. I'm sure if there was an ever looming threat to the animal crossing universe, she would do what she could.
Yeah, I noticed that, too. It seems like they're ranking them on a lot more than just morality. It seems like the good characters are more ranked by heroism than morality, which don't necessarily go hand-in-hand (like you said, Isabelle isn't heroic because she doesn't need to be), while some of the villains are ranked more by their power, which isn't accurate (Bowser being underneath K Rool is a good example, K Rool has zero good qualities at all and Bowser actually does, yet Bowser was put lower simply because he's stronger?)
Heck she should even be in the top 3
I agree! Isabelle isn't as strong as other Nintendo mascots, but does she have to be? She has a heart of gold, a strong work ethic, and she will do anything for her community.
I think the Koopalings should’ve been separated, since they have wildly different characterization:
Good to evil:
1: Larry koopa.
He is never portrayed with evil maliciousness and genuinely likes bowser and would risk his life for him although he can come off as sassy or ignorant. He is also a bit short-tempered, as seen when his stature is insulted in M&LPJ.
2:Ludwig von koopa
He is a respectful opponent who, while being a bit of a show-off, is secretly humble and respects everyone around him, even Morton. He takes on responsibility and hates it when Larry (his best friend) gets hurt.
Also seems to have an artistic hobby and likes composing music in peace (which Mario is implied to disturb).
3: Morton koopa jr
He is a kind fella if you get to know him, but he is too destructive and enjoys destruction way too much for him to be any higher.
4:Wendy O. koopa
She wants the best for the group, but is extremely quick to anger and lashes out on others.
5:Lemmy and Iggy koopa
Since they basically are on the same wavelength, they can be grouped together.
Iggy and Lemmy seem to enjoy Marios struggle more than any other koopaling, the two of them are also crazy and have some implied maniacal tendencies. They don’t do anything particularly malicious however.
They are not evil by volition, they are just crazy and disregard morality for fun.
6:Roy koopa
He commonly mocks everyone around him and doesn’t respect anyone (unless they beat him), which often backfired on him. He however is loyal to his friends and doesn’t want to seriously hurt them.
The only koopaling I‘d say is evil, the others are just misguided by bowser.
Lemmy is canonically the least evil Koopaling. For example, in Color Splash, all the other Koopalings wanted to kill Mario, but he just wanted to embarrass Mario.
this comment feels like a MASSIVE headcanon
@@disneyvillainsfan1666 That'd be extremely out of character. First of all why would they want jobs? They have power in their current position and are probably rich. Second of all, they're shown as being extremely loyal to Bowser, like all his other minions, and they are also shown to just love being evil and causing chaos in general.
Also for Larry, he is shown to be lazy, so I'd say he'd probably live in Ludwig's house and play video games while Ludwig goes to work if they ever do stop working for Bowser.
I think Rosalina should be in the good section. She is kind and wise which lives up to her being the Mother of the Lumas, and doing everything she can preventing the overall destruction and imbalance of the universe- where she would really need Mario's help for- is a reason how Mario's adventures can remain longer, rather than have it all end at Super Mario Galaxy. Also, she's the only princess who hasn't been kidnapped by the villain or anyone at all.
Yes
Exactly, she's just plain pure good. Probably the most pure character in all of Mario.
Also, the recent act of good that further proves this is that
(Spoilers for Mario + Rabbids Sparks of Hope)
Rosalina sacrificed herself for the protection of her Lumas when Cursa attacked and took control of Rosalina, and her love and willpower was strong enough to even allow her struggle out of Cursa's control. Also, of course, she allows Mario a means of defeating Cursa for good after she's freed in the final battle.
@@02zero_two02 the fact that Rosalina was ranked as less good than Dark Pit, Cloud, Bayonetta and King Dedede was just absurd.
Exactly, she’s literally the Jesus of Mario
Luigi tends to be more easily scared but still faces his fears and does heroic things which makes him an extremely courageous character. Mario has no struggle doing heroic deeds. But Luigi does and still powers through despite being horrified.
Exactly. I nearly spat out my drink when they said that Samus is more good than Luigi!!
While I mostly agree with kirby's placement (he could be like 3-5 places higher), I completely disagree with the reasoning for said placement.
He doesn't need to be talked into helping people, this is proven in multiple games like crystal shards, super star, the recent forgotten land, etc. The reason he sometimes doesn't help immediately is because he doesn't know that something is happening due to him sleeping during it or something.
I'm also surprised that you didn't mention his biggest flaw, his impulsive nature. He's always willing to help others and do what he thinks is right, but typically fails to completely understand his situation. Squeak Squad, Super Star, and Return to Dreamland are the best examples.
Kirby's adventure is another one, but he was honestly fixing the problem in that game.
Exactly. I hate that narrative
This post can be summed up by Kirby planet robobot's opening cutscene: Kirby sleeps through an invasion of his planet, but when he awakes, he immediatly goes to find out whay happened. Also, likely as a result of his impulsive nature, he doesn't think too highly of dedede and is quick to judge him when something happens
@@stinos24 I don’t even think that Kirby thinks little of him, it’s shown he still cares about Dedede normally
@@Hamantha yes, but when something goes wrong, like in triple deluxe or sqeak squad, he firstly goes to dedede
@@stinos24 in triple deluxe he wasn’t going to fight but to check what was going on, I’ll give you squeak squad though and chalk it up to flagship being a bit weird with the writing
It's interesting that you singled out Mega Man wanting to kill Wily. I'm pretty sure most of the other characters have killed evil enemies. Including those above him. Like the Fire Emblem characters.
This channel also has a habit of including unrelated factors to figure out morality. How does Peach getting kidnapped all the time affect how good or evil she is? That kind of thing always annoys me when I watch these videos.
I also dislike implications that blood relations have anything to do with morality. It was only mentioned, but I hate "sins of the father" logic that much.
I know they had a lot to work through, but I feel like the ranking is all over the place. They kind of just put characters wherever and I disagree with a lot of their decisions.
Plus that was a mistranslation due to the localization so in Japanese Mega Man was way less malicious
This is why Bowser should have been a bit higher. They said they put him where he was because he was capable of dealing more damage. But the problem with that is, that's power, not morality. Bowser is morally much less evil than K Rool and at least should have been above him. K Rool has zero good qualities and only was above Bowser because he only had the capability to terrorize one island even though Bowser has actually good qualities and K Rool does not.
I don't disagree ALL the time, but one thing I do disagree with is Joker's placement. They're looking at his character purely lawfully. From what I see in him, he has a heart of gold up there with Sora and Pit. I personally think he could be #4 on the list.
Your not alone in this these lists annoy me too especially when these guys use incredibly shallow or vague reasoning for a charachter's placement. Even right at the start of this video he seemed to meerely judging this based on if someone has flaws or not. Which is not enough to decide if someone is good or evil, also the silent protagnist argument is really freaking annoying.
54:05 wait... I'M THE CREATOR OF THIS LEVEL ON MARIO MAKER 2!
Thank you so much for playing my level!
I new this day would come. I'm so happy you guys are doing this. Thank you.
We need Kingdom Hearts: Good to Evil next.
Pete the cat is the most evil and Mickey Mouse is the most good. There you have it.
@@prestonandtom9337 Nah, there are more evil characters than Pete in the series, even if you don't count any of the Disney characters, like Xehanort for example.
@@prestonandtom9337 Maleficent orders Pete around and he's her henchmen so he isn't the most evil.
@@meteornome2556 It was obviously a joke dude.
I feel like you should've acknowledged Olimar's personality when talking about him, since all the games, even Hey Pikmin, do give some degree of attention to it, with his notes sometimes during and at the end of the days in Pikmin 1, Treasure Notes in Pikmin 2 and Hey Pikmin, and Data Logs in Pikmin 3, all giving information about Olimar's personality and life.
Yeah Olimar is a family man who wants to get home to his kids. And he feels really guilty when he allows Pikmin to get hurt
@@mkline7780 Yeah, stuff like that.
@@mkline7780 me who just lost 36 Pikmin to random drownings and fire: meh I have more stored
Okay, there are some flaws I noticed on this list. Firstly, you missed out Donkey Kong. Secondly you added Meta Knight, Dark Pit and King Dedede in the good category (though I would argue that Meta Knight deserved to be ranked in the good category, but should have been placed A LOT lower). Even if they are anti-heroes more consistently, they had _at least_ one villainous moment. Their heroic deeds were overestimated. There are also several characters in the grey area who should’ve been placed in the good category, including Rosalina, Ryu, Dr. Mario and arguably Captain Falcon, Olimar, Inklings and Snake. Rosalina is pure good and is possibly one of the most good characters on this list. Lastly, the “bad to evil” list was flawed. Wario and Incineroar are grey zoned/anti-heroes more often than not. Also I would place Mewtwo below Bowser Jr, The Koopalings, Piranha Plant, Enderman, Zombie and Wolf (and possibly in the bottom of the grey area). I would also place Bowser below King K. Rool, Ganondorf below Sephiroth, Dark Samus and Ridley, and Sephiroth below Dark Samus and Ridley. Ganondorf’s feats were overestimated. He has a few redeeming qualities (including honor, tragic backstory and failing the heinous standards to several Legend of Zelda villains). Ridley deserves the gold medal as most evil.
I agree completely.
Completely agreed Rosalina should have been firmly in the good tier. Their reasons were not only unnecessarily harsh, but it is implied within her debut game that not only did she came from modern-day Earth, but it’s shown she had lost her parents and built a new life with the Lumas, so the reason she “doesn’t do anything” may be because she is still trying to get over her past, which may or may not still be fresh.
Also yoshi and luigi should be higher than mario I would even argue yoshi should have been top 3
Definitely agree with you much more
I respectfully disagree with your takes on Meta Knight and King Dedede. They definitely did some villainous things, but they’ve had character development since then, and they haven’t done anything truly bad in a while (excluding spin-offs which are of questionable canonicity).
Apparently Marth is literally more pure than a Disney protagonist
Im going to disagree with that Kirby Ness and sora are so pure
To be fair, Sora did almost get possessed by Xehanort, and it would have happened too if Lea hadn’t come at the last second to block the beam meant for Sora’s heart. Preluding that, they were actively breaking down Sora’s defenses and dozing him off into a nightmare so that they could have the chance to corrupt him. Even after they came away with his body, he still needed Riku to wake him up from his own darkness. I remember this because I literally had to cool off after finally managing to beat Young Xehanort after countless tries on harder difficulties that I wanted the cutscenes to last longer.
However, I do still think despite this, Sora is without a doubt a good character. I just wouldn’t have given him a medal for it even though he’s one of my favorites on the roster.
Ness is pure but not top 3 buddy
Marth used to have a great hatred towards Gra and every single person hailing from it because of their betrayal of Altea and the slaughter of his father. Shadow Dragon made it clear as much perfect as Marth seems, he is far from pure and is capable of nasty things. It took him some time to quell his hate for Gra, but he himself states that his hatred of them hasn't completely vanished.
The alternative title is that 1upbinge really loves Marth
Bruh, Terry deserves at least a little more credit. He is a hard working blue collar kind of man who regularly helps the people of South Town, he encourages kids to eat their vegetables and exercise and even plays basketball with them, he is genuinely friendly and nice to almost anyone (especially in the later KOF games where he had more lines of dialogue), tries to stop Geese Howard (his mortal enemy and the man who killed his father) from actually dying and when he fails, he adopts Rock (Geese's son) to lead the kid down a better path and not let him grow up without a father figure. The only things going against him are the fact that at first, his motivation was nothing but vengeance and the fact that he was actively trying to kill Geese in the first game.
Where did you learn all this? :0
@@royjosephjr.2965 simple, I'm a KOF fan.
@@sharzinlalebazri5673 How does someone become a KOF fan? I've played a couple of the games through ̶e̶m̶u̶l̶a̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ perfectly legal means and they're all really fun! I know who Terry, Mai, Andy, Yuri, and all the rest are, but is there like a specific game where all that information is given about Terry? Or is it spread across the Fatal Fury/KOF/Garou:Mark of the Wolves games?
@@royjosephjr.2965 FBI open up
@@royjosephjr.2965 Kinda sus
Hold up.. Mythra & Pyra having initially used Rex for selfish purposes, but Sonic is ranked lower? He literally was willing to let Eggman go free again and again because he doesn't want to kill unless absolutely necessary
Well, yes and no. It's more than just them initially using Rex, so as to reach back to Elysium, to do something to themselves that Rex wouldn't like, due to his good nature. But to help Rex as well, as they believed, from what they last remember, that the place would help Rex and his world from the inevitable countries dying out, and prevent a war from breaking out between countries.
Pyra and Mythra are willing and do want to help the world, not due to their mood or excitement, unlike Sonic. But kind of less so when they first met Rex. Due to an accident of them losing control of their powers once, and destroying one country as collateral, to no fault of their own (the other Aegis taunted them, and so much as killed others close to them to force their full power from them, to his own amusement) in the past. And blames themselves for something that wasn't entirely on them, and wants to leave the world, because they think they would put the world in danger again.
Where as Sonic, he wasn't too banged up about inadvertently causing the world to break apart, by falling into Eggman's trap one time (Sonic Unleashed). As the video has said, he's sometimes a little too carefree and nonchalant about things like that.
Both the gold medal of good and the gold medal of evil made their fighter debut in Super Smash Bros. Melee.
14:10 as probably someone has already pointed out, Mega Man trying to kill Wily does not occur in the original JP version.
Honestly, is Bayonetta really a bad guy? Just because she summons demons doesn't mean she's evil. Sorry, as a Bayo nerd, I always like to explain that she's more than what meets the eye. She was born into being a witch, and she lost control of her demon ONCE. She still then undid her mistake. She's a good person who saved the universe TWICE from evil, egotistical gods. She also hides her compassion. She's a good person, despite the fact that she uses the dark arts.
I was personally surprised that Rosalina is that low.
That's because she doesn't deserve to be that low since she's a genuinely good person.
@@chadpeterson5698 agreed.
I say put Inciniroar in gray, since he is more of a wrestling heel than a villain. More of an actor with an aggressive persona, than a villain.
I feel like calling Roy arrogant and impatient is a _massive_ case of mis-characterization. However, I do unfortunately get it, as not only is his game unlocalized, he's also prone to having a very different personality in the eyes of people who aren't familiar with Binding Blade.
If anything the only not-good flaw I can think of that he has is him trying to be a role model mostly out of admiration for his father instead of just to help and guide others
How is he above Kirby?
@@wifi961 Kirby might be a hero but he doesn't seem to hate having to kill or to have any moral code besides "stealing food and destroying worlds bad"
He's definitely good but he doesn't have much going on besides liking food and to help people
You misunderstood Ryu. He doesn’t open to the satsui no hado like Akuma does. Before SF 3 series, he is always fighting himself to never give in to the hado, only after he experiences it after defeating Sagat in SF1 does he learn about this and actively chooses to never tap into this power. He should be in the good side overall since he’s a kind hearted martial artist who always compliments or gives advice to other fighters and he was the one who defeated M. Bison, the main villain of SF, in SF5.
I was going to say this, there isn't a canonical Evil Ryu but there's a purged Ryu.
I'm glad they did this video. It makes the possibility of other crossover fighting games like Playstation all stars & Blazblue Cross tag battle more likely.
I think this is good, only thing I would add for Link is that in Breath of the Wild, there are various journals around that give him a bit more character, like how he loves food, but most importantly he chooses to be silent because he believes the burden of being the chosen hero should be worn silently without complaint, so that those around him don’t worry about him. Take that as you will.
In my version, I put Sonic at the very top because, while he can be a bit reckless, he has saved his world on SO MANY occasions and not just his own world.
He reminds me of Goku.
Yeah I would’ve put Sonic higher, he wouldn’t just do something evil just be a someone told him to
11:23 Pretty sure that Toon Link should have his own rank, he is the link with the most personality and he has much more character traits than other links
I’m just glad that Villager wasn’t shoved straight to the bottom because he has an axe. If the player wants to be an axe psychopath, that’s their choice, but it doesn’t decide who Villager is as a whole. I get really tired of that quick and shallow conclusion, despite the fact that it can sometimes be funny.
Crazy how Kirby is the embodiment of love kindness and positive energy yet isn’t even top 3
Yeah he should be top 3
Remember he inhaled a lot of people just are getting their powers
@@liamtherobot9656 And yet Marth killed a lot of people.
@@basilofgoodwishes4138 But he spared some of them. The only ones he killed were monsters.
@@liamtherobot9656 but kirby saved the UNIVERSE
I’d argue terry could be a bit higher in neutral considering he plays with kids in south town, adopts Rock and has a sense of justice. The only hit keeping him out of good being wanting revenge but that’s iffy considering Geese killed Jeff Bogard
Yeah, the fighters could go higher overall.
Terry is probably the highest of them, though ken would be high up to probably.
Also let’s not forget that he tried to save his own arch enemy Geese Howard from death, and his reason for adopting Rock was to break the cycle of violence and revenge, plus he’s a good dude that loves to help his fellow locals in Southtown.
I’d put him in the lower to mid good above Ryu as he was originally a revenge driven character who learned to open himself to the world around him and is truly friendly to most of the cast.
You guys need to do a list of Super Smash Brothers assist trophies: good to evil. That includes the ones that are missing from Ultimate.
Oh, boy. I can already tell you Andross will have a very high spot in the Bad/Evil category.
Unless you're talking about the psycho Malamar from the anime, no Pokemon ever belongs in the bad tier. Even Mewtwo realized his mistakes.
I kinda feel like Luigi should be a bit higher than his bro.
And he should DEFINITELY be higher than Samus!!
First of all, amazing video just by putting time and thought into the lore of each character.
I'd argue for higher on some of the characters.
1. Ness because we do know that he willingly fights through time and space to save others. Doesn't even complain!
2. Luigi saves Mario multiple times and never says anything negative about constantly being left behind. He even had goals of being like his brother Mario.
3. Terry Bogard may have fought for revenge in his first game, but afterwards, we see him helping the people of South Town for years to come. He even tried to save his father's murderer, and when he failed, he took in Geese Howard's son and raised him so he wouldn't walk the same path. Terry even saved Rock Howard's mother's portrait in secret when Rock was exploring his father's mansion during South Town's fires. Terry also forgave Billy Kane, who worked for Geese, and when Billy Kane was full of rage because Terry is the one responsible for Geese's death, Terry basically apologized. He's more of a good character.
Ridley and Sephiroth should be lower than Ganondorf. Ganondorf is the embodiment of Demise's hatred for Link and Zelda. It's his destiny. Sephiroth looks for reasons to hurt people because he genuinely feels entitled to his position as some sort of god. He desires not to rule like Ganondorf, but he desires to suck the planet's life force dry, including the people on it, then use the planet as a ship to travel the cosmos and do the same to other planets. Even Ganondorf didn't kill unnecessarily. Sephiroth told Cloud, "Tell me what you cherish most. Give me the pleasure of taking it away." Then, after he died for the THIRD time, he somehow went back in time and they are doing a reboot where we see Sephiroth seems to somehow have memories of the previous timeline. He's willing to rewrite all of time to destroy the planet. He's definitely got the gold medal of evil in my book.
Too many entries on this list don't have enough to go off of either being silent protagonists or just not enough backstory or screen time to determine a spot. I feel most of this list was just hand out spots based on wherever they felt like placing the character.
They put Kirby below a lot of guys with problems.
I think wario should've been in the grey area because he may be greedy and selfish but he still does care about his friends in warioware and usually is a pretty nice guy and at the end of the day he doesn't do anything monstrous or evil and is just greedy
Yeah greedy doesn’t mean he just wants money. he just wants more and more stuff
Did you literally skip donkey Kong in the good area?😐
Yep. They did.
He's in the subtitles before Shulk, so it must have been an editing mishap, can't blame em
More like donkey b**ch *ss
I always knew Donkey Kong was just a green dinosaur in disguise
I think you're being unfair to Ike here. It's pretty disingenuous to say his morals and allegiances lie with whoever hires him. He very clearly has a very strong sense of morality and will refuse to work for those who cannot accept it. This is the same man that shit-talked an Empress in her throne room surrounded by her royal guards WHILE SHE WAS HIRING HIM because he will not hesitate to make his refusal to accept inequality and bigotry known to all. He completely disowned his given nobility after he had used the position to end the war because, ironically despite being a mercenary, Ike is NOT a man that can be bought even by an offer as enticing as being a nobleman.
Donkey Kong got skipped lol. Either way I wouldn't necessarily put him at the same spot as Diddy, as while they're both similar heroically (laziness included), DK does have a few more blemishes on his record in the Mario vs. DK series
I was so surprised to see Rosalina that low.
I wouldn't say she's a grey area character, but I do get the point of her retaining some pretty sizeable power but doing nothing with it in the SMG games
Honestly I think you should've put Yoshi, Kirby, and Rosalina higher
Yoshi saved both Mario and Luigi as babies
Kirby saved the world multiple times and is an incarnation of positive energy and love
Rosalina literally rules the universe and decided to reset it in Galaxy to save people's lives
They should all be in the top three
Glad King Dedede is considered the good. He has been opposing Kirby for a long time and is quite selfish but he is starting to grow into a nicer character. Hell, in The Forgotten Land, he is pretty much a good guy now thanks to his actions at the end of the game and was being mind controlled for the majority of the game.
Yes!
Totally agree
No! No no no!! He should have been in the grey area, along with Dark Pit and Cloud Strife!
While some parts where right about Bayonetta... Demons aren't exactly evil in her world just as angels aren't exactly good... Having demons doesn't make her a villian according to her world as she did save her world from a huge extermination.... Also Bayonetta only lost control of her demon once and it wasn't due to it being her fault. But the balance of her world being thrown off
13:00 Star Fox is a mercenary unit yes, but they're honorable and will never work for evil. Fox devotes himself to protecting those in need and will do it for free if need be but the Star Fox technology is very expensive which is why they require money
Yes! Even though he’s the leader of a team of mercenaries, Fox cares a lot about his friends. I personally see Fox and his friends like a family! Falco also seems to deeply care for Fox’s safety and is willing to put his own feathers in the unknown to protect him.
@@Superemie401 Fox already proved himself to be pure of heart via Star Fox Adventures
As much as it hurts for me to say, since I love the Ice Climbers, I think they should've been placed a lot lower, just because of the fact that they smack innocent animals with hammers just because they are a nuisance for their alpine hobbie, and that's not nice.
Ranking all the Smash bros characters must have been hard. You also skipped Donkey Kong. I'm shocked that you put Rosalina in the neutral section.
This list was so ridiculous. They put Sephiroth and Ganondorf as worse than Ridley and Dark Samus, put Ganondorf as worse than Sephiroth, Samus was ranked above LUIGI AND SONIC THE FUCKING HEDGEHOG, Bowser was ranked as more evil than King K. Rool, but worse of all, ROSALINA WAS LESS GOOD THAN SAMUS, DARK PIT, CLOUD, BAYONETTA AND KING DEDEDE!
Wow, you did absolutely no research on Terry Bogard. He tried to save the man who killed his father at the end of their fight by catching him as he fell out the window, only failing because the man himself decided to fall. He then proceeded to adopt his son and train him, and when his adopted son chose to go on his own path, he agreed and let him. As well as him taking care of his brother and their friend.
You know, you can’t count Roy being nobility against him when Marth, Chrom, and Lucina are all also royalty. Even by the end of the first half of Awakening, Chrom is a king, which you can’t say for Roy even at the end of Binding Blade (as his father, Eliwood, never dies). Lucina is also shown leading the army of future children in the Future Past DLC from Awakening, Chrom leads the Shepherds, or the player’s army in Awakening (he’s the leader, Robin is the tactician), and Marth leads the army in his games as well. I’ve never played Binding Blade (I don’t have an emulator + I’ve never found a translation and I can’t read Japanese), but even speaking as someone who only has pretty surface-level Fire Emblem knowledge, I think that’s a bit unfair.
Their point is that since he is a noble and not a royal his leadership isn't questioned as much. Which is an obviously weird take even in a vacuum, and becomes even weaker once we remember Lycia is a federation without a monarch and that the marquise's of Lycia are effectively sovereign rulers.
2:32 Dude literally told his Nobody that he was his own person, when the Nobody gave in and accepted that he was a Somebody with shared memories
thank you so much for this video! this is one that I've been requesting for a while. I have a question though, did you include Donkey Kong on this list? I don't think I recall seeing him.
for my next suggestion for a Good to Evil list: Undertale characters
I think they weighed the silent protagonist thing too heavily...in a lot of those games the story itself will show the personality...I feel like the constant use of this became a cop-out
Incineroar canonically is good with children.
Wow I never thought a video like this would take a hour to make, but you guys actually went and grinded it out, I gotta give you respect for that 💯.
It definitely took more than a hour to make the editing the writing and deciding which characters place where also doing research on the games doing all that would take way more than a an hour
Yeah I’ll give them that. This video goes for an hour but it definitely took more than an hour to make
This is a good list, but I feel like going more in-depth on some character's stories would've been beneficial. Ness, for example, is ranked surprisingly low even if he's a silent protagonist. He willingly goes on a journey he knows is incredibly dangerous to save the world. He still considers Porky, probably one of the more evil Nintendo antagonists, a friend despite his actions. He saves Paula from a cult. He helps free the Mr. Saturns and helps the Tendas get over their shyness. And he defeats both his own inner evil and the embodiment of evil (to be fair though, Paula kinda does most of the work to defeat Giygas, but only because Ness & co. did so many good deeds that those that they helped prayed for their safe return).
Lucas is deservedly higher ranked, though, since he did go through A LOT and came out the other end a genuinely kind boy who fought for his friends and his village.
I’ve been asking a question: In the Subspace Emissary, all the characters (expect Jigglypuff, Wolf, Toon Link and Sonic) have interacted with each other. But which duet have the most healthy relationship and which duet have the most toxic relationship? Here are the rules: One, they most have interacted in at least two scenes. Two, like most of the characters don’t canonically know each other, only their relationship in the Subspace Emissary will be included. And third, like there are lots of relationships in Brawl’s story mode, we’ll be only include the most major of the plot.
Healthy:
Mario and Pit
Pokémon Trainer and Lucas
Samus and Pikachu
Captain Falcon and Olimar
Donkey Kong and Diddy Kong
King Dedede and Kirby
Peach and Zelda/Sheik
Toxic: The only one I can think of are Bowser and Ganondorf, because they team up to defeat the heroes
Bowser jr is NOT a koopaling, he's Bowser's actual son, thus he is the literal prince of the Koopas and in most occasions Bowser's 2nd in command. He also hates the Mario bros almost, if not just as much as Bowser does, going out of his way to cause trouble for them and only teams up with them if he's desperate, whereas the actual koopalings, while they also dislike Mario, don't really care as much as Bowser/Jr, and mainly do what they do under Bowser's orders
You skipped DK. It went, Yoshi, picture of DK with no explanation, Diddy.
Before I finished the entire video, I wanted to see what everybody thought. Going through the comments, I stumbled upon a debate whether or not Yoshi and Kirby should have been #1. And that's when I realized something:
Every character on this list... is incredible!
Whether they are good or evil, they still inspire us to do things that we might not normally do, or they lift us up when we are feeling sad. Or just help us dream!
And the fact that each person has their own opinions on who is the goodest and who is the most evil, really shows just how much love everyone receives. It's really heart-warming to know that every character is beloved in some way. I guess that's kind of the spirit of Smash Bros. too; no matter where you come from or what your past is (just like your character), you are still a fighter.
So no matter where the character(s) you support end up on this list: in my heart, they will ALL the best for making you smile! And I hope that all of your characters end up in the #1 spot. Because they all deserve it. :)
PS: *I'm notsure if "goodest" is a word, but I wanted to put it here anyway (-'u'-)
PSS: This is totally unrelated to everything above, but am I the only one who gets reminded of Deku from My Hero Academia when I see Pit? [their voices sound so similar!] >:0
I am very impressed! Ranking all of the Smash Bros Fighter’s Morality is incredibly ambitious for even the most knowledgeable gamers! Smash Ultimate is my favorite Game and this list is very well done!
I’d also love to see a Smash Bros Assist Trophies: Good to Evil list sometime.
And even then it's not all of them as they forgot Donkey Kong
I'm a little confused on why Zero Suit Samus and Sheik didn't get their own spots. Your reasoning for including doctor mario was because him and mario are separate character slots, so are Sheik and ZSS so wouldn't they be included too? By that logic young link and toon link should also get their own spots right? Toon Link and Young Link are just different versions of Link yeah, but Dr. Mario is just a different version of Mario
I like the good characters like Banjo & Kazooie, Chrom, Cloud, Daisy, Diddy Kong, Donkey Kong, Dr. Mario, Ice Climbers, Ice Climbers, Inkling, Leaf, Link, Lucas, Lucina, Luigi, Mario, Mega Man, Min Min, Ness, Palutena, Peach, Pit, Red, Rosalina & Luma, Sora, Toon Link, Villager, Wii Fit Trainer, Yoshi, Young Link, Zelda and Zero Suit Samus.
You could argue that all Pokémon are neutral and their morality depends on who raises them
I think krool is worse than bowser because bowser has been proven several times to have a good relationship with his son and he is like dedede , willing to team with mario if the circumstances are right
I disagree with the evil list:
King K.Rool was literally ready to KILL HIMSELF as long as he'd kill the Kongs, he risked the lifes of his minions and himself just out of spite of DK and his friends, so what if he didn't have the materials needed to plan a galactic conquest like Bowser? You seriously think he WOULDN'T try the same thing if HE had gotten the grand stars? Because *that's what matters*, this is about MORALITY,not power, not who's the greater treat, who's the worst person, and K.Rool is a far worst person than Bowser, Bowser cares for his son and minions and would never risk their and his lifes just to end mario's- he might risk his, but he wouldn't put his minions and family in danger,unlike K.Rool. and before you say "he sends them to fight Mario and co everytime" They're not in risk of dying there, Goombas don't die when they're stomped, ask Captain Goomba, or play Yoshi's island, Bowser's minions don't die when they fight Mario- Bowser WOULDN'T risk their life because he cares about them,simple as that, K.rool doesn't give a shit about anyone and risked both his and his minions lifes just to end DK, K.Rool is worst,end of story. And if you still think Bowser is more evil "because he tried to destroy the universe and then recreate his own one!"
Yeah, he and his minions wouldn't have died, sure, everyone else Bowser doesn't care about would, but that's the point, Bowser doesn't care, he doesn't care if kills billions of innocents as long as he achieves his goals.
What are his goals again? World domination alongside marrying peach.
What are K.rool's goals? *Killing the Kongs*
K.Rool is doing what he does out of spite, Bowser is doing it out of hunger for power, K.rool tortures his own minions to make them do what he wants and doesn't care if they die, K.rool is also potentially racist against the Kongs. Bowser has more morales and his reasons are definitely better than "because I hate their guts", if K.rool had HIS hands on the grand stars, he wouldn't even bother to recreate the universe, he'd just blow it up with himself, as long as DK is dead, fine by him. K.rool is worst.
And Ridley is definitely, DEFINITELY worst than Ganondorf, that's no contest, Ridley should of been the most evil, I don't even need to explain why.
1,000,000% agree. In fact King K Rool is NPE while Bowser is IH and Ganondorf isn't either of them due to the fact that he has several redeeming qualities and fails the heinous standard of his franchise so while Ganondorf is more evil than Bowser and K Rool, Kazuya, Sephiroth, Dark Samus, and Ridley are still much worse than Ganondorf.
Indeed. K. Rool’s evilness also comes close to the likes of Kazuya and Ganondorf (albeit, still not nearly heinous as them).
Also I 100% agree. There’s no denying that Ridley is MUCH worse than Ganondorf. Dark Samus and Sephiroth are also threats on a universal scale and have no redeeming qualities either (the latter lost nearly all of them when he went insane), so they are worse than Ganondorf too.
@@chadpeterson5698 What's NPE or IH?
@@cbfranco3307 NPE = Near Pure Evil and IH=Inconsistently Heinous
Goombas do die when they're stomped. I don't know what retcon was made, but originally a stomp meant a Goomba death. I agree with you that King K.Rool is more immoral than King Koopa.
MegaMan trying to kill wily is only in the US version in the Japanese version he just charges his buster to scare Wily
As an enderman I take personal offense to me being near the bottom next to wild plant (also should be neutral) and zombies (evil). We only attack either when attacked or if stared at. We don’t know why we go faral due to it but yea.
In Pokémon origins it give Red the personality that Gamefreak wants. The Greninja in smash is actually Ash’s Greninja, which would make his reputation a lot higher than all the other Pokémon
This video would need a reupload, due to lack of reasoning for Donkey Kong's placement.
Props to you for doing this, it probably took ages, and most of the rankings are pretty accurate too. I'M Satisfied.
(You did skip DK unintentionally by the way.)
They should've added a new medal just for this one,
The Despair Medal: Sephiroth.
They were basing it on the seven deadly sins
So Dr Mario and Mario get different rankings but ZSS and Samus are put in the same??? What 😭
Whuuuuuuuuuuuuuut?!
I feel like luigi should be higher in the good. He is kind.
Even though he’s way more shy than Mario, Luigi is ready to run into danger when his friends and/or his older brother is in danger.
EXACTLY!
@@Superemie401 facts. I’m still annoyed by the fact that they put Luigi so low. He deserves to be much higher.
WAY higher.
You saying he gets silver just because he's a Disney protagonist makes me very worried about your decision making ability's.
I agree
The worst part is, ROSALINA IS GREY.
This started off how I thought it would. what with the kind hearted Ness ...then it turned more heroic....I had sora Kirby peach in my top 3
Luigi isn't really cowardly when you think about it. He was willing to go into a ghost infested house that appeared out of nowhere and given a vacuum by a strange professor that he is no expert on using and save mario from all kinds of hazards. Well then again. Maybe he is just foolish. That counts, but his heart is in the right place.
Yes,his heart is in the right place...But he is cowardly, like,that's no question,just play...ANY Mario and Luigi games.
@@cbfranco3307 EXACTLY. I almost ripped my eyes out of my head when I saw how low they put my boy Luigi. And I’m still ticked off about it to this very day!
He ain’t cowardly, it’s just that he’s been through so much when he was younger.
Awesome! All I want left is for you to do dragon quest evil to most evil
19:49 bro really put a fan game in here
If you use the subtitles on shulk's part it talks about dk
A note about Lucario:
It's possible that the Lucario in Smash is from the movie "Lucario and the Mystery of Mew", solely based on the fact that this one has at least a few voice lines in a proper language. (Such as "MAX AURA!" from its final smash)
Ike ended racism. What else do you want
39:38 returning to our regularly scheduled programming hahaha
Ridley has a soft spot for cute things according to the manga. He and dark samus should have swapped positions since dark samus doesn't care if something is cute or not, but ridley does
he does? are you referring to the panel where samus first met ridley?
@@hiddenpowerfairy uh yeah. It's apparent he would have spared Samus, but some theorize he didn't because "he couldn't find a way to justify it to his troops" which doesn't make sense since he usually kills whoever doesn't obey him or questions him.
@@hiddenpowerfairy so the pictures of ridley hanging out with pichu is actually in his character
Are you saying that should switch spots? because I can make that happen.
@@CreamDollYT I heavily disagree with that theory, Ridley is way too sadistic.
In the official novels Steve and Alex had personalities. Steve was much more of a pacifist and nice guy while Alex was the adventurous.
Ness in my opinion should be placed higher because the fact that he went out of his way to save the universe while being only 13 years old is pretty telling. Besides he has also helped many people during his adventure even tough he didn’t even know them before.
In the PacMan World Series (the most we get out of Pac-Man’s canon personality) he wants to beat for his family and people.
Kirby should also be much higher since all of his negatives can be excused with the fact that he’s still a baby (confirmed in Kirby right back at ya, it’s not contradicting itself with the canon and has a bunch of links with the games).
Wait kirbys a baby?
@@Reddudetheog1219 , yes 😑
In Smash Ultimate, Zelda’s appearance is based on a Link Between Worlds, it was mentioned in the roster reveal, just thought I’d point it out. Great video!
Donkey Kong is missing from the list