Great detailed review well done. I've sub'd now! Now for that question I am sure you have been asked many times... what the best solowheel for a beginner. To help, I've skateboarded, skated, skied, and snowboarded. Thanks if you can help :)
If you have done all those things, then you could potentially jump into this wheel head first. Otherwise checkout the V10 here: www.speedyfeet.co.uk/collections/electric-unicycle/products/inmotion-v10 (videos in that link also)
Your store has to be one of the most informative, helpful and non-biased webshop. You review products as they really are, you mention the bad parts of the unit aswell as the good parts, which is not something many people do.
I've got 7 wheels mostly Gotway and have just started riding my old 84v Msuper V3 with 800wh battery again. It only weighs 40lbs it feels light and is super manuverable by comparison with the latest breed of wheels. The battery is enough for most trips and has the benefit of the 18" wheel. I have really enjoyed riding this old wheel again.
Just saw a crazy deal on ebay for one. Will keep my eye out for another one as that auction just ended. Will be a first wheel as well. How do you guys like your's?
It's also very impressive that this little toy can power a car like that. Got up to a very decent speed. Probably still faster than the fastest hover board carrying a child. What's up Andy!! Haven't heard from you in a while. LOL I know I'm 2 years late for this comment.
@@Miguel-ve1lh Yeah most definitely. The 16x is a great choice for a beginner. Even the Sherman would be a good choice but it would take a bit longer to learn due to the weight. Might be worth it though so you don't need to upgrade later and save money.
Great video! I love mine it's a fantastic wheel. I've beaten the shit out of it off road and it has taken it like a champ. I'm really glad you're promoting not playing music while riding. I'm looking at the bose sunglasses for this reason: seem like a good function: environmental audio awareness and tunes only you can hear.
I use BT wireless earpods which can easily fit under a helmet. When I do long journeys on the motorcycle it really helped keep the wind noise down. You can use your phone vol +/- to change the volume which helps when you have gloves on. $20 ish.. 8hrs of music. Plenty enough for me. The bonus is you can take calls if you want!!
Love that wheel Ian she's a beauty! My opinion of coure, but she looks like she just rolled out of a Stealth Bomber Even her side panals look like they could deflect enemy radar...lol the KS16X really attracts me, & by next March I believe I'll own her, its kinda late in the season to buy now! Plus my KS18S dominates my attention daily as for playing music Ian if I never had it, I guess I wouldnt miss it, but as you know the KS18S has it & I love riding with it, I doubt it will annoy many ppl considering they will only hear it for an instant as you pass them, but in a park were more ppl gather I can see your point, I've only gotten positive feedback when playing music, ppl are actually amazed it even plays music, but never a negitive response. So until ppl start throwing rocks at me, or flipping me off. I'll tend to Rock on! My favorite cruising song is: Green Onions by Booker T & the MG's
The best review on kingsong 16 x I beg you to help me with advice What is better kingsong 16x or kingsong 18lx or gotway msuper x or gotway nikola plus? Important power, speed, throughput and reliability.
You are joking @annabelle surely? This question was asked just 19hours ago (We work Mon-Fri), but here I am on a Saturday trying to answer some questions for peeps...for free...in my own time, just got down the list to this one ;) @Kenwol - Better for what? Carrying? City commute? offroad? Range? Please let me know your use case so I can tell you which one MIGHT be better for you (and also how long you have been riding and if already riding which wheel). Cheers
Speedy Feet UK My height is 190 weight 92. Every day I ride about 30-40 km. I love speed. In our city the roads are so-so. Riding the city is 70% offroad 30% of the time. Well and unicycle should be reliable.
@@MrKristoffle Got a comedian in the house! Anyhow...off to spend time with the family....catch you on the flip side (bank holiday weekend here...so that will be Sunday).
Can you try to compare kingsong 16x or 18xl to z10? I'm really doubt about buying one of this 3 mentioned. Z10 is the cheapest and most beautiful one in my opinion. Hope for your opinion, thank you!
Thank you for the vid. Which wheel do you prefer, the Gotway Nikola or King Song 16x? I viewed several videos of the 16x having oscillation, and bluetooth connectivity issues. Have you experienced those problems? On a side note, I am quite amazed of Gotways quality improvements. Do you have any insider’s information on how they were able to close the gap on King Song as far as quality? I haven’t seen or heard of any issues with the Nikola, except for the aesthetics. Thanks again from the U.S..
My view has been get the best from either Gotway or Kingsong. It seems to be a Ford vs GM kind of situation at the moment. I went with the MSX. Very happy. There will always be newer models but there will also be new bugs in the newer models where the older ones are typically bug free. That's the price you pay with going with the latest models.
As per video - had no issues at all. Just been out on it last night, rode really nice. I mean it is a mountain stress test. Also worth noting, none of the boards we have replaced (swap out with the MSX MOSFET style boards) have had any issues.
Great video. For an EUC beginner, what would be your recommendation between the 16X and the 18XL? And, why? Are there any protective cases available for the 16X or 18XL? Please advise ASAP. Thank you for your reply.
Great video guys , but I must say I love speakers 🔊on my wheels its great, let's people know you are there as I'm never hanging around for long to anoy anyone plus if you are behind people and they don't know you are there that and they have to move out the way suddenly ,that can cause problems, I supposeit works both ways, just my preference! Gets me into the ride!! Keep up the videos SPF!!!
Depends the style of music to a degree, heavy metal blaring out in the middle of a peaceful woodland where families gather - make it less desirable. I think we all know what intrusive music is by and large (and when it goes to far). Happy riding!
Kingsong KS16X UK Review. Oh~ Yeah! Thank you for watching Speedy Feet UK. Is this an electric unicycle suitable for off-road? How does it feel to drive?
Great review! If you hadn't had my 'kryptonite' Z10 come in, this would probably have been my upscale choice, regardless of the fact I'm not usually an early adopter. If I trash the Z10 and manage to walk away intact, this would still be my alternative! 😜
About chargers... The charger of my Inmotion V5 has the same connector (fits perfectly) and delivers 1.5A at 84V. ¿Should I assume that it would be safe to use it in my KS 16X as the specs are the same as the original charger and so is the connector? The charger block also has the same dimensions although of course some of the printing on it is different (not the specs).
Great review Ian, Might be my next wheel? And the shape is growing on me, wasn't too appealing to me first time around.... Is the light more of a spot or flood?
Nice review as usual. A very nice machine for sure! I’m hearing the Nikola cst tyre is more nimble then the KS tyre. Can you comment on this? Do you get that “tram line” effect with the Nikola tyre?
And for you how does it compare in term of riding with msx putting aside the top speed of the latter ? Most in depth review of this wheel I ve seen thx
Thanks for watching. I will cover the MSX V KS16X when I am better informed. I will need to get it up to 1000km to correctly answer this question....otherwise I will be ill informed and give potentially incorrect information.
Good one Ian Oh no. another amazing wheel I now have to choose between. I thought I’d made a decision and now I’m not too sure. I think this might actually be a great choice for a wheel to get my wife to have a go as well as a great allrounder. Maybe this would be the best 1st choice and then I might get a Sherman/Monster for myself when my wife decided that she’d rather ride an EUC than her new e- scooter 😂
Its really difficult at the moment to say, the Gotways tend to just rip it up from the get go and keep on going, the KS16X feels very nice, the motor is so quiet its amazing really. But will cover this point and speed etc in a later video.
Have you compared the ride settings between this and it's equivalent gotway ? That would be useful. It would be nice to know how the softnesses or hardnesses compare from a handling standpoint.
i already have a gotway x 84volt and thats a slug ..winds up and goes way better when hot and really want to see how it can start off on a 25 + degree slope..i have an old lhotx that aint that bad ..but looking for way more power like the first prototype kingsong 16x posted a month ago thanks
What ride setting are you on in the app on the MSX? Also what’s your rider weight (actually in this instance being light can be a problem as you need a good amount of leverage on a steep hill start...only way around that most times is a good old run up lol)
Totally agree about the rasta-blaster mentality of playing music through your EUC. Annoying AF. As a community we should be very aware of annoying others since this will cause the authorities to start adding restrictions. I remember when motorcycles started to have loud pipes. Police were all over it citing left and right. We don't need that form of attention !!
Totally agree with you about blasting music..however I do get a kick out of the reaction people have when we ride by people while my buddy plays a recording of the sound of a hovering space ship on his Nikola. We come floating by on machines most people have never seen before and then you add alien sounds... its priceless :- )
It’s actually a great way to announce your presence if your in a area with a lot of people on a path. Like big cities. These things are silent and people don’t notice. Maybe play some classical music lol I’ve seen many videos of people not hearing them and stepping in front and getting clipped
Great detailed review well done. I've sub'd now! Now for that question I am sure you have been asked many times... what the best solowheel for a beginner. To help, I've skateboarded, skated, skied, and snowboarded. Thanks if you can help :)
If you have done all those things, then you could potentially jump into this wheel head first. Otherwise checkout the V10 here: www.speedyfeet.co.uk/collections/electric-unicycle/products/inmotion-v10 (videos in that link also)
@@Speedyfeetuk thanks
No problem!
Your store has to be one of the most informative, helpful and non-biased webshop. You review products as they really are, you mention the bad parts of the unit aswell as the good parts, which is not something many people do.
Job well done. This review is stunning. Thank you so much. Subbed
Thanks!
Best Off-Road Video-Part ever!
I've got 7 wheels mostly Gotway and have just started riding my old 84v Msuper V3 with 800wh battery again. It only weighs 40lbs it feels light and is super manuverable by comparison with the latest breed of wheels. The battery is enough for most trips and has the benefit of the 18" wheel. I have really enjoyed riding this old wheel again.
Yeah its funny, as when the 820wh first came out it felt massive, now it feel nimble and small!
Amazing video.
Thank you for your efforts.
My pleasure!
I’m getting a used 16x next week! It’ll be my first wheel and I’m so hyped! Can’t wait to learn
I just ordered an 2nd hand one, can't wait! How did things go for you?
Just saw a crazy deal on ebay for one. Will keep my eye out for another one as that auction just ended. Will be a first wheel as well. How do you guys like your's?
@mike_t_007 its a solid wheel. As long as the deal all checks out then should be a good choice.
outstanding....cant wait for the future reviews on this
Omg wow I never thought about pushing a car with my wheel. That is hilarious and genius lol
Lol agree Ioved that test.
It's also very impressive that this little toy can power a car like that. Got up to a very decent speed. Probably still faster than the fastest hover board carrying a child.
What's up Andy!! Haven't heard from you in a while. LOL I know I'm 2 years late for this comment.
Deciding on a new wheel has never been so hard!
I feel you.
God I'm in the same boat now. Do you mind me asking what wheel you ended up buying?
@@Zorolath personally I got the 16x and the Sherman. Very very happy with these choices. No wheel is perfect but these are pretty close.
@@arcrides6841 would you still recommend for a beginner?
@@Miguel-ve1lh Yeah most definitely. The 16x is a great choice for a beginner. Even the Sherman would be a good choice but it would take a bit longer to learn due to the weight. Might be worth it though so you don't need to upgrade later and save money.
Great video! I love mine it's a fantastic wheel. I've beaten the shit out of it off road and it has taken it like a champ.
I'm really glad you're promoting not playing music while riding. I'm looking at the bose sunglasses for this reason: seem like a good function: environmental audio awareness and tunes only you can hear.
Adam Hilliker im using the bose soundwear and it is really great for us EUC guys. It was on sale couple weeks about thats why it was worth it.
I use BT wireless earpods which can easily fit under a helmet. When I do long journeys on the motorcycle it really helped keep the wind noise down. You can use your phone vol +/- to change the volume which helps when you have gloves on. $20 ish.. 8hrs of music. Plenty enough for me. The bonus is you can take calls if you want!!
many thanks for your review, I like your way to say it right... (Meserias / Romania)
Thanks for the support dude!
It's my understanding that other ks wheels start to reduce top speed at around 50% battery. Does the ks16x have the same limitations?
Great video! Your thoroughness is much to be appreciated. I love those fat tires and that carbon fiber like look.
Glad you liked it!
Love that wheel Ian she's a beauty!
My opinion of coure, but she looks like she just rolled out of a Stealth Bomber
Even her side panals look like they could deflect enemy radar...lol the KS16X really attracts me, & by next March I believe I'll own her, its kinda late in the season to buy now! Plus my KS18S dominates my attention daily as for playing music Ian if I never had it, I guess I wouldnt miss it, but as you know the KS18S has it & I love riding with it, I doubt it will annoy many ppl considering they will only hear it for an instant as you pass them, but in a park were more ppl gather I can see your point, I've only gotten positive feedback when playing music, ppl are actually amazed it even plays music, but never a negitive response. So until ppl start throwing rocks at me, or flipping me off. I'll tend to Rock on! My favorite cruising song is:
Green Onions by Booker T & the MG's
The best review on kingsong 16 x
I beg you to help me with advice
What is better kingsong 16x or kingsong 18lx
or gotway msuper x
or gotway nikola plus?
Important power, speed, throughput and reliability.
Unfortunately, he is ignoring us and our question...
You are joking @annabelle surely? This question was asked just 19hours ago (We work Mon-Fri), but here I am on a Saturday trying to answer some questions for peeps...for free...in my own time, just got down the list to this one ;)
@Kenwol - Better for what? Carrying? City commute? offroad? Range? Please let me know your use case so I can tell you which one MIGHT be better for you (and also how long you have been riding and if already riding which wheel). Cheers
Speedy Feet UK My height is 190 weight 92. Every day I ride about 30-40 km. I love speed. In our city the roads are so-so. Riding the city is 70% offroad 30% of the time. Well and unicycle should be reliable.
See? Kenwol I helped you. If I did not wrote that message, he won't even give a damn care to reply your question by now :)
@@MrKristoffle Got a comedian in the house! Anyhow...off to spend time with the family....catch you on the flip side (bank holiday weekend here...so that will be Sunday).
Can you try to compare kingsong 16x or 18xl to z10?
I'm really doubt about buying one of this 3 mentioned.
Z10 is the cheapest and most beautiful one in my opinion.
Hope for your opinion, thank you!
Thank you for the vid. Which wheel do you prefer, the Gotway Nikola or King Song 16x? I viewed several videos of the 16x having oscillation, and bluetooth connectivity issues. Have you experienced those problems? On a side note, I am quite amazed of Gotways quality improvements. Do you have any insider’s information on how they were able to close the gap on King Song as far as quality? I haven’t seen or heard of any issues with the Nikola, except for the aesthetics. Thanks again from the U.S..
What about this: ua-cam.com/video/UstREObHBX8/v-deo.html - this terrifies me from getting one.
My view has been get the best from either Gotway or Kingsong. It seems to be a Ford vs GM kind of situation at the moment. I went with the MSX. Very happy. There will always be newer models but there will also be new bugs in the newer models where the older ones are typically bug free. That's the price you pay with going with the latest models.
As per video - had no issues at all. Just been out on it last night, rode really nice. I mean it is a mountain stress test. Also worth noting, none of the boards we have replaced (swap out with the MSX MOSFET style boards) have had any issues.
Also to answer your question, the MSX 84v 1600wh is so far my favourite wheel :)
Great video. For an EUC beginner, what would be your recommendation between the 16X and the 18XL? And, why? Are there any protective cases available for the 16X or 18XL? Please advise ASAP. Thank you for your reply.
Checkout this video: ua-cam.com/video/BOvL94B9CJw/v-deo.html
Great video guys , but I must say I love speakers 🔊on my wheels its great, let's people know you are there as I'm never hanging around for long to anoy anyone plus if you are behind people and they don't know you are there that and they have to move out the way suddenly ,that can cause problems, I supposeit works both ways, just my preference! Gets me into the ride!! Keep up the videos SPF!!!
Depends the style of music to a degree, heavy metal blaring out in the middle of a peaceful woodland where families gather - make it less desirable. I think we all know what intrusive music is by and large (and when it goes to far).
Happy riding!
Kingsong KS16X UK Review. Oh~ Yeah! Thank you for watching Speedy Feet UK. Is this an electric unicycle suitable for off-road? How does it feel to drive?
I heard that Kingsong made some recent changes to the 16x for their most recent batch. One being bigger side pads. What other changes have they made?
Very much like the brake lights as well.
Great review! If you hadn't had my 'kryptonite' Z10 come in, this would probably have been my upscale choice, regardless of the fact I'm not usually an early adopter. If I trash the Z10 and manage to walk away intact, this would still be my alternative! 😜
lol, cheers Matt! You down for the FOD ride out Monday?
@@Speedyfeetuk Yes, I'll be there. Really looking forward to it and the weather should be perfect!
About chargers... The charger of my Inmotion V5 has the same connector (fits perfectly) and delivers 1.5A at 84V. ¿Should I assume that it would be safe to use it in my KS 16X as the specs are the same as the original charger and so is the connector? The charger block also has the same dimensions although of course some of the printing on it is different (not the specs).
Amazing and thorough review! Really quiet!
Nice review. At the end you talk about short commute and this being a bit overkill. What's the lower range cheaper alternative??
Checkout this one: www.speedyfeet.co.uk/collections/electric-unicycle/products/inmotion-v8
Great review Ian, Might be my next wheel? And the shape is growing on me, wasn't too appealing to me first time around.... Is the light more of a spot or flood?
The low-beam has a great V profile but there is also a high beam that shines like a supernova. I sure hope I didn't blind anybody at night with mine.
@@belkenator thanks for the info, much appreciated. Thank you.
Nice review as usual. A very nice machine for sure! I’m hearing the Nikola cst tyre is more nimble then the KS tyre. Can you comment on this? Do you get that “tram line” effect with the Nikola tyre?
No, no issues with tramline on the Nikola tire (and not to bad as per video on the KS16X either)
should i buy a ks18l 2000km used or a new ks16xs?
King Song QUALITY!!!!!!
And for you how does it compare in term of riding with msx putting aside the top speed of the latter ? Most in depth review of this wheel I ve seen thx
Thanks for watching. I will cover the MSX V KS16X when I am better informed. I will need to get it up to 1000km to correctly answer this question....otherwise I will be ill informed and give potentially incorrect information.
Отличное Видео.!
Will you do a review of the 2019 monster. I wanna know how those speakers sound
Yes!
@@Speedyfeetuk thank you
No problem!
Good one Ian
Oh no. another amazing wheel I now have to choose between. I thought I’d made a decision and now I’m not too sure.
I think this might actually be a great choice for a wheel to get my wife to have a go as well as a great allrounder.
Maybe this would be the best 1st choice and then I might get a Sherman/Monster for myself when my wife decided that she’d rather ride an EUC than her new e- scooter 😂
Excellent review. What is your view of the Kingsong 16XS in terms of value for money?
Its a brilliant wheel for bang for buck
What is the name of your awesome gun?
Ian what are your thoughts on the torque comparison between the Nikola and Tesla?
Its really difficult at the moment to say, the Gotways tend to just rip it up from the get go and keep on going, the KS16X feels very nice, the motor is so quiet its amazing really. But will cover this point and speed etc in a later video.
Have you compared the ride settings between this and it's equivalent gotway ? That would be useful. It would be nice to know how the softnesses or hardnesses compare from a handling standpoint.
Which performs the best? This wheel or the MSUPER X?
what safety wear do you use? I need to get some armor. you do legs too or just upper body ?
Armour: www.speedyfeet.co.uk/collections/featured-collection/products/flex-force-pro-top-full-armour
Rest of kit see: www.speedyfeet.co.uk/blogs/help-and-advice/which-protective-gear-should-you-use
18:28 specifically not pacifically.
Other than that an excellent review. Subbed.
Hybrid Polo, on a budget, home-made but still road legal. Genius !
😆
Would this make a good beginner wheel?
Yes, no reason why not!
What is the weight limmit
THANXXXX A LOT ! And the Monster GOTWAY V3 may be ThanXXX ?
Yes should be a video review of the latest Monster when they arrive in around 3 weeks ish.
@@Speedyfeetuk great!
Yo! You pushing that car blew my flipping mind! I'm getting a KS 16x!
Well you know where to come: www.speedyfeet.co.uk/collections/electric-unicycle-one-wheel-segway/products/kingsong-ks16xl 🤪😛
Yeeey! Do you know if they have second batch naw?
Checkout: www.speedyfeet.co.uk/collections/featured-collection/products/kingsong-ks16xl (Due date is on there)
Question mtb or euc
This is beautiful
Thanks for the support!
Hi! Sorry, what about tire pressure? Thank you! 😊
I ride around 35-40 psi, not to low as this could cause damage to the rim / inner tube. To high a pressure and it will be a rough ride
@@Speedyfeetuk I agree, thank you!
@@nicrangal6830 no problem!
"Good man" - one of the most english things, i , as foreigner can think of.
Push the dinosaur-burner uphill, amazing torque
Yeah the torque is simply a beast.
Don't forget to join the electric community at www.ElectricPeople.org if you haven't already!
Is the Weapon included?
Optional extra, £2500. ;)
So... has this replaced the MSX as your new favourite wheel?
To early to say, once I hit 1000km I will see how it all stacks up :)
@@Speedyfeetuk Have you hit 1000km yet? 🤣
This or an MSX for first wheel? Mainly riding for pleasure, 50% on road, 50% gravel trails.
I would pick MSX I think in that case usage. I guess you wont me needing the lift feature and trolley handle so much?
How much does the 16X weigh ?
Does it climb better than the Msx or Nichola?? ..
Can the pedals be set to Hard/Sport mode?? ..anyone"?
Ride modes can be set. Climbing feels pretty close / the same as the Nikola, maybe the MSX requires ~5-10% more lean due to bigger tire.
thx
No problem!
why arent you showing how much grunt it has on hills tracks starting off and offroad hills etc cheers
Its very hard to accurately show ‘grunt’, what would you like to know exactly and I will try and answer?
i already have a gotway x 84volt and thats a slug ..winds up and goes way better when hot and really want to see how it can start off on a 25 + degree slope..i have an old lhotx that aint that bad ..but looking for way more power like the first prototype kingsong 16x posted a month ago thanks
What ride setting are you on in the app on the MSX? Also what’s your rider weight (actually in this instance being light can be a problem as you need a good amount of leverage on a steep hill start...only way around that most times is a good old run up lol)
Until i ride the 16x the 18xl reigns supreme
Tom I fully agree...I've also got the 18XL and it's simply AMAZING, INCREDIBLE, UNBELIEVABLE and I ❤️❤️❤️ it! Ride safe mate....
ua-cam.com/video/vBFMxAPDr6Y/v-deo.html
Soo. Have any of you guys tried a 16x before saying its the best. Or what other wheels have you even tried
Anyone got a wheel for sale in the USA
We ship worldwide 😀 www.SpeedyFeet.co.uk
Michael jackson has a song called days in Gloucestershire
Wow, never knew that, just looked it up!
7:20👍👍
Totally agree about the rasta-blaster mentality of playing music through your EUC. Annoying AF. As a community we should be very aware of annoying others since this will cause the authorities to start adding restrictions. I remember when motorcycles started to have loud pipes. Police were all over it citing left and right. We don't need that form of attention !!
Yup!
Totally agree with you about blasting music..however I do get a kick out of the reaction people have when we ride by people while my buddy plays a recording of the sound of a hovering space ship on his Nikola. We come floating by on machines most people have never seen before and then you add alien sounds... its priceless :- )
@@eucme9716 That's funny !!
It’s actually a great way to announce your presence if your in a area with a lot of people on a path. Like big cities. These things are silent and people don’t notice. Maybe play some classical music lol I’ve seen many videos of people not hearing them and stepping in front and getting clipped
1.5 amp charger? Charged to 80% in 6.5 years.
Not quite 56940 hours, rather its around 8 hours
Can i bring this to the airport
Very unlikely, 100wh is max battery size. If by bring to airport you mean take on a plane that is.
Yes
This is a great thread.
So for traveling it would be good to know the model to have on the side that will pass the gates. Any idea which one?
@@gumonthepants Pretty much none! (unless there is a model with 100wh or less!)
Yes you can! It is very easy. There was made laws some years ago.
But u cant take it on the plane.. ._.
🥴😖🧐 I think I need this and the Sherman to cover all bases ☺️😂
You do! Do it :)
8:20 cheapest EV conversion ive ever seen
Super quick and easy...well apart from your arms and back...
nice video and unycicle.
With a full face helmet you won't see that light at all, in fact, you won't see anything below your nose...
Or big coat that will hide it, or large stomach that will also do it!
Good ^^*
Thank you 😋
👍👍👍😊
Thanks for watching 😎
Still best convinience EUC in 2023!
Brilliant machine
Oh Yeah...
Oh yes heavy metal would drive me in sane!!!!😅🤣
likewise lol
Oi Speedy Feet UK SOU AQUi DO BRASiL,PODERiA ME AJUDAR AMELHORAR MEU CANAL SETiVER ALGUM MONOCiCLO USADO,PODE DOAR PARA MiN O BRiGADO.
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Cheers!
Hi. Why don't Koreans make monowheels? They would have made a much better wheel, as minimotors do electric scooters, for example.