@@Athelarius what if the little whelp is Chromie? OR... what if it was Eternus as a little baby whelp and her big sister died saving her? (currently taking a big break off WoW and i haven't even looked at all the new 10.1.7 info yet)
@@CapOfXav Dunno. Apparently we're taking out Smolderon in the new raid and the DI heritage quests hint that re-igniting Ragnaros may actually be possible.
I think that has a double meaning. Iridikron set him free by letting him be his crazy self and to consume shadowflame. The second being the shadowflame itself. Its no secret hes already fallen to corruption and hearing and talking to voices in his head.
I think its not fyrrak who says that but entity in shadowflame. Same as he says "ours" but he dosnt mean incarnates but himself plus the void. Or that just a void lords talks about themselfes in plural and they take over fyrrak as they did with nefarion.
@@TheXshad He's talking about both himself and Iridikron because Iridikron has already formed an alliance with the Void Lords by making a dark bargain with them and he even walked into the Voidgate to prove it.
@@patrikzotaj4528 I don't think wants anything to do with the Titans or their 'blessings'. If anything, she might get blessed by Azeroth herself if to be an Aspect. Kinda like Magni.
I do not count this as a redemption for Vyranoth, she was never in need of redemption. Her methods may have been wrong, but she was always in the right.
@@tarnyowl6068 I’m going to guess it’s going to be in a story book. She and the power she embodies is extremely bad news for us if that Primalist Timeline is any indication. Just about everything on Azeroth is influenced by the Titans and our relationship with them is… complicated. The thing for Vyranoth is like most of the Primalist, she has a beef with the Titans and want the world freed of them. Which is a different intention from say… the Old gods. Fyrrak is crossing lines more in league with what the void wants and the ice lady wants nothing to do with that. To the ice lady, we officially the lesser of 2 evils.
There are 5 seats at Valdrakken. Red. Green. Black. Bronze. Blue.... but there's also room for a sixth to lead the Primal dragons. With her logical and level-headed thinking, I see that sixth seat being occupied by Vyranoth.
Vyranoth:"We took up arms together to free the world from the titans' meddling. That is the war I fight. That is the victory I seek". Fyrakk:" *growls* We CANNOT achieve victory with our hands bound by your ideals! *successfully corrupts Larodar* Besides your ideals mean nothing to me and Iridikron, I now see that they're nothing more than just follies, and I now also see that the only way to achieve victory is to join the Void Lords and usher in the new Hour of Twilight, and with the Titans gone, we will allow the Void Lords to both enter and gained ahold of this world with their dark iron grip, and they will corrupt everyone and every creature in their path and twisting them into their cause while consuming and twisting the entire world itself with shadowflame and then Darkness and Chaos will REIGN SUPREME!!! That is the true war Iridikron and I now fight. And that is the real victory Iridikron and I truly seek." Vyranoth: "Indeed. Then our course is set." *leaves in disgust*
I hope Vyranoth is the last one standing and remains a villain. WoW lacks villains with genuine sympathetic causes. I fear she'll turn anti-hero, and it'll be quite interesting, but could have been more.
One of the problems with the writing is they kill off villains too fast and don’t allow them to achieve victory enough ..I Hate that they burned down teldrassil but atleast blizz had the balls to truely change the world and do something sinister
@@Chitown18 multi xpac spanning villains are kinda hard to do If you let them get away with too much there final defeat NEVER feels good enough Talking about individual villains ofc WOWs big villains are not individuals but manifestations of Primal forces
They’ve been traumatized to the point they can’t recognize when a good story is presented to them and will resort to call it child friendly trash, like they did with Pandaria, which is widely praised as of today for some of the best lore in the game. Players are just never satisfied.
Maybe because the story developments are extremely slow and predictable - and the writing is middle-school grade at best, at least by my country standards. Main issue WoW has currently regarding its story is it's progression being slow and snippets of story we are getting with each patch are less than you'd get in an episode of Brazilian telenovela.
Blizzard got a crybaby crowed instead of fanboys. They are even worse than fanboys, they live from hating everthing and sharing this hate on the internet so upvote each other, that's what the live for. A pathetic existence, but at least it's wasted on a videogame.
I get that Vryanoth didn’t really do anything, but her switch felt too fast for me. I hope she either betrays us or is killed by Iridkron to prove a point
I mean... It really looks like she was going to do something like that and she was the closest to Alex back then so... Sadly, I think she's going to die regardless, maybe saving Alex from Iridikron or as a sacrifice
I do feel like the possibility of Nozdormu becoming Murozond in this expansion is still alive, especially after seeing this. I feel like part of his transformation will be his own choice from the looks of it.
People keep saying that Vryanoth switching sides is rushed, but realistically, weren't all the Incarnates actually on the same side as the Aspects in the past? They aren't just some random Dragons that showed up from nowhere. Their backstory is that they were literally like siblings to the Aspects before the Titans came and 'corrupted' dragonkind.
I think people aren't realizing that just because Vyranoth will stand against Fyrakk and will aid in protecting Azeroth (her original plan anyway) doesn't mean we're allies. She still feels betrayed by Alexstrasza and now Fyrakk is doing exactly what the Titans did, infusing others against their will.
Where in Elune's name is Elune? Wasn't the new World Tree planted in the Emerald Dream, a place with a symbiotic relationship with Ardenweald? A place with strong connections to Elune, the Green Dragonflight (Ysera being her "pet"), and so on. I thought after all the teasing from Legion through Shadowlands, we'd finally have some answers. They don't need to explain her entirely or even show her in some kind of physical manifestation (Blizzard doesn't have the balls to make a woman any sexier than Alexstraza or Jaina), but where she stands in the grand hierarchy of things. A First One? A Deity independent of the Cosmological Forces. A "titan" of Life? A rehabilitated Old God?
We all suspected Vyranoth would help us at some point, and I think that's fine. But like, already? A few cinematics ago she was telling Alexstrasza that what she did was unforgivable, and that all she felt towards her was vengeance and anger. And all it took is Fyrakk being slightly more unhinged than normal to change her mind? Kinda lame imo
They are focusing on Fyrakk 100% rn. which I guess means moving things involving that story. Vyranoth already is at odd, so I guess her flip is more sudden given the next update(s), and the last few are all Fyrakk focused
eh he pretty much went batshit insane after drinking the shadowflame, before that he seemed aggressive and impulsive but still solidly aligned to the general principles of the Primalists. but now he is very obviously corrupted and without Iridikron to keep him in check and with him already straight up attacking her it makes sense for her to search for other ways to prevent him from becoming a worse problem for the world than the Titans.
Bro iridikron fucked off thru a void gate and convinced her brother to consume shadowflame and essentially manipulated fyrakk into getting corrupted. Vyranoth doesnt like us, but the fact her character aint stupid and sees that we are the better side in this conflict is refreshing imo
Love the cutscene with Nozdomu and the whelp but the scene with the incarnate I really feel like it's being rushed all over again and whatever happened to the dracthyr? I thought her realization would have taken a little bit longer or at least like a couple expansions but it feels like they're doing the same thing what they did with neltharion's laboratory really not giving us a moment to like prosper what's going on
If play the game and watch the Aberrus cutscenes they tell you that the split between the dracthyr is being dealt with. Since half of them went along and follwoed sarkareth. It's not rushed, Vyranoth is watching Fyrakk do the same thing the Titans did to dragons and she's not going to support that. She just wants everyone to be able to make free choices without some puppet master.
@@ericmoody2899 indeed, and maybe she could become an embodiment of Fire, Frost, Earth, and Storm. her top commanders could be a brash, but well-meaning storm dragon (maybe a resurrected Raszageth, idk), an unpredictable frost dragon, an earth dragon who is probably the most level-headed of them, and a brilliant fire dragon who likes a slow burn if you get me.
Fuck that. Alexstrasza committed a truly heinous crime against nature, the elements, and her own children, on behalf of gods that abandoned them eons ago. The dragons shouldn't "unite" until Alex answers for that shit.
At first I thought 'ok clearly shes bideing her time to strike at Alexstraza and take the 'Queen' off the board' but then I read that she is helping Wrathion bring the storm drakes and nether drakes into the alliance so I guess she's actually sincere.......unless were about to get some patented Blizzard 'subversion of expectations', time will tell.
@@justinb7494 Cenarius is a Wild God which would make his children/grandchildren (aka the Keepers and Dryads) demi-wild gods. Unsure about the previous Ls but Fyrakk being a proto-dragon infused with shadowflame likely puts him at near level to one of the Aspects. Ysera was known to be more powerful then Cenarius, so if Fyrakk could give a Aspect a run for their money I sincerely doubt a Keeper is going to do much here.
Who could've seen THAT coming? Oh, except everyone from the moment her humanoid model was revealed and she looked like the Winter Queen and was obviously set up to turn against the Incarnates.
Yeah I've been calling out Blizzard's blatant stawmanning for over a decade now. They keep failing at basic storytelling and keep being given the "but it's a MMO" excuse. Like F'ers the Teen Titans never died, and always won in the end, but they still suffered failures, loss, and had their own ideals proven.wrong and challenged, and they were a "kids show". Blizzard either give us some world building quests to show us that these "amazing leaders" actually give a crap about their followers (Genn Greymane has 0 post cataclysm quests to help the gilnean refugees and those people have been homeless on the streets for how many years now thanks to Blizzard's writing?) Or at least make these main stories as actually have some more depth to them, like DF is the step in the right direction but the straw man factor is still too strong that everything is just bland and predictable.
@@codyraugh6599 Kid, you got ZERO clue what story telling is. You are ruined by cheap and stupid Hollywoord and Anime bullshit, the worst writing in existence.
He literally went back in time to where Galakrond died and siphoned the power from his corpse into a device similar to the dragon soul, then went through a portal with Xal'atath very obviously standing there on the other side of it. Deathwing almost destroyed Azeroth by himself, barely using any void magic. Iridikron has quite literally weaponized the void and is working directly with an old god that is not imprisoned like N'Zoth was when Deathwing happened. If Deathwing did all that and he wasn't even an incarnate then imagine how exponentially more powerful Iridikron is having siphoned the magic from the most power dragon that ever existed, and giving it to the void. If we were of any consequence to Iridikron he would have just killed us at the beginning, not just distract us with Rasz, Fyrakk and Vyranoth.
@@ultralance7470 Going after a titan device that transports the whole elemental planes into the world would be a good story beat. Instead, Blizzard crappily tries to tie expansions into each other, but they can't and should stop trying. Fyrrak going after the Ardenweald tree is also a lazy rehash of the Mount Hyjal plot in Cataclysm. What is more stupid is that going after the Hyjal tree would do more for them because it's fully grown and destroying it would free the powerful water under it, as well as cut off the Emerald Dream from Azeroth which would allow the elements more free range. The primals also don't do fel or necromancy, so the night elf souls won't give them any power, and Fyrrak is confused.
Well I think he is just fine. I think it is implied thru the symbolism of a seed capsule that the souls are no longer individual lives that can be returned. Rather, they are one single Kaldorei soul that is now being transferred to the dream to grow a new world tree directly from the dream. So forelands and Druids makes sense. They are trying to corrupt the balance of nature and change it to their bidding, no one really knows what that would like. You could argue buzzard will write it so if Fyrakk takes over, more fire elementals can cross over into our plane. Or burn the dream plane into the fire plane. I will agree that the story is rehashed as far as the season goes. But the vyranoth changing sides thing was pretty impactful. I think it suggests blizzard wants to right a more intuitive plot rather than just shadow is bad light is good. Dragonflight has shown us that characters can be humble and choose unity rather than war and violence for the greater good of Azeroth. It’s actually pretty heart warming to see. To me it seems that the plot is mending, albeit slowly. I still think wow would benefit the most from a true universe reset though. My thought is this next expansion after would be the perfect time. Make iridikron do something world ending shit that brings us to the end of your void war. Make 11.0 the last expansion with the void war and then we “win” by resetting the whole universe. I would love to see something like that
@@colbymcallister77 I think such a device is dumb too, but I was thinking more along the lines of what Blizzard would do. Just as dumb as Deathwing's power glove, admittedly. An Aspect, a powerful leader can't maintain discipline, he needs mind control magic. It's very silly. Ideally, the primals would break into any titan archive they can find to learn how Helya made the elemental planes, maybe invade the Halls of Valor, but I know Blizz would prefer a simple macguffin with no antecedent.
I always figured this was coming. The way the first cutscene played out though makes the next one seem kinda… I dunno, soon? Feels kinda like how Y’Rel played out in WoD, we missed a piece of the puzzle somewhere. I think if they had 1 last confrontation, like in the story leading up to 10.2 it wouldn’t have felt so jarring
You people make comments like this every single time, like you don't know that they will only tell us the full story in the novels as they have done for years and years and years. I literally cannot fathom how anybody can be surprised by this anymore.
My personal guess is that Vyranoth will become... somewhat less openly hostile opposition. Still dedicated to removing the Titans taint as she sees it, but she won't just replace it with eldritch void bullshit. A clean war really.
I mean I saw Vyranoth joining us coming but I thought that'd be later, I can't say I expected freaking Elisande to come back into the plot though, I guess we'll be fighting her again (though it'll probably be a quest or dungeon this time)
Don't think she's joining us outright. This may simply be a temporary alliance against Fyrakk who pulling the same BS the Primalists were mad about in the first place.
It was so obvious that she will join Alexstrasza and betray the Incarnates. The story has become bullshit, its not worth it anymore to pretend that it is a good story. You can tell immediately what is going to happen when you see it - we cant lose, we wont lose and we will always be the Winners. Its just disgusting to kill Monsters and even Gods, but still be wealer than a Faction leader, weaker than the Plot Armor Aspects et
I dont wanna believe that's not a random KotG but Cenarius. Because it's just getting embarassing at this point - killed by Grom, corrupted by Xavius, corrupted by druids of the flame? Demigod my ass, more like demi-hero
This shit was horribly bad. Vyranoth like Fyrakk was locked up for thousands of years. Fyrakk acts like someone who has locked up and is mad about it, he wants to burn down the people that sealed him away. Vyranoth is just seemingly ok with it and the terrible writers just had her and Alexstraza just talk it out like Alexstraza didn't just help a bunch of adventures kill her sister, Razageth. Made no sense.
After many years without playing wow, saying in advance I respect the designs are cool and all that shit.. but, WTF is this? Are you fucking kidding me from the history I loved from warcraft 2 until wotlk..... what happened? sad to watch fornite-wow
Just wondering. 1:27. This ice creature is mentioning some "vile abomination" with the captured deer-druid-shit in front of her. Isn't it a bit weird to say something about abominations while seeng this filthy beast (the ex-deer-druid itself).
It'd be pretty funny if vyranoth betrays alexstrasza just because. Now that'd be very interesting for me. While I find dragonflight's story at least interesting, I can't help but get a really untrusted vibe from vyranoth herself. Don't know but I feel as if she's shady.
The music in Tyr's Guard scene is one bit of Storm Peaks' theme. 🙂Which is, honestly, unsurprising, given that Storm Peaks held quite a few references to Watcher Tyr.
2:03 story is, of course, nu-blizzard trash but this is always an interesting dilemma, obviously waved off here. Pragmatists/hypocrites view adhering to principle(s) as shackling, rather than sustainable. For example not killing (excepting retribution) is a solid principle because free killing = unsustainable but the hypocrite will say "not killing (not as retribution) makes my life harder so I toss out the principle" adopting and subjecting himself to the new principle of free killing.
It would be so cool if she was a dark troll, Idk if there were any who were maybe still influenced by the well of eternity but not a full transformation that would be really cool, or maybe she chose her visage before the dark trolls fully evolved into the night elves, and just stuck with it. because the point in time this seems to take place is at some point in the past after deathwing's betrayal when the black dragonflight were basically wiping out most of the other dragonflights so it must have been after the sundering when the night elves already were ruling for a very long time. itd be so interesting if that turned out to be true or partially true!!!
I absolutely adore the lore, story, characters and world building of this series. Started playing around the beginning of Wrath and been hooked on the Warcraft Universe. But I'm so burnt out on the gameplay at this point that it's impossible to justify paying the monthly fee to be apart of it. The quest design is what really kills it for me. Some quests are amazing like the ending to the Wrath Gate. But after the 935th "Go here and kill these guys oh and pick up all this random crap" it feels repetitive and dispassionate. I hate quests that exist just to pad gametime and interrupt the quests you actually want to get to with meaningless chores.
I still don’t get how Alexstrasza failed her people. Its completely different from what lore we’ve had for years points to, what Dragonflight: Legacies even points to, that the ascension into dragons (earlier than theyd evolve into them anyway) was a gift, and taken gladly. I’m fairly certain even the old novel touches on that. Granted, its not as blatant and aggravating as what Shadowlands did, but is not sitting right with me
Whilst this is definitely an upgrade over SL... It's still elementary school writing. Slow, predictable with no real deepths. The old bad turns good and one of the baddies redeems herself. Seen again and again and again....
as someone who has seen 1million movies the second vyranoth agreed to stand against them i knew she was dead. 100% calling it now she dies fighting one of the 2 incarnates left
My initial prediction was that Vyranoth would be sided more with Fyrakk and Iridikron yet passive to us, only really turning into a proper enemy if/when we kill Fyrakk, seeking revenge for his death. Turns out I was wrong only in that I had things flipped. She was more passive to her brothers and only decided to turn when Fyrakk went over the deep end. A lot of the prt leaks showed us that despite her general animosity for the aspects and their flights, Wrathion take the time to actually talk to her, to know her, and even tells her of the flights that exist outside the aspects' influence.
every power role is female now, every villain seems weak willed, story is absolute trash and uninteresting. my day is ruined and my disappointment is immeasurable, no pun intended
@@VegetoStevieD It's just that this storyline is super generic and predictable, and Vyranoth isn't interesting or complex at all it's not like she's even getting "redeemed", she was never in the wrong in the first place she's never done anything that bad, nor does she have any character flaws which basically just leaves you with a well animated cardboard cutout
@@orkaydk9430 "this storyline is super generic" Ya, I'm tired of all those "Titans corrupted our eggs" stories that Hollywood dishes out every other week. 🙄
Argh! Wait! So the infinite dragons CHOSE to join the infinite dragonflight?! not because they get corrupted my murozond, but they CHOSE to be infinites?! Why? It’s even more stupid that nozdormu is trying to befriend the flight that he ends up creating in the future once he falls to corruption The corruption, mind you, comes from the OLD GODS!, or are the old gods no long a part of nozdormu becoming murozond now?
This is why Chromie said "It depends WHEN she has the disc" because it could be before Elisandre took the deal with the legion or shortly after, but sometime before we took her down.
Somebody didn't pay any attention to the entire patch. Every bit of its content involves time travel, and the dungeon literally took us back to right after Galakrond died, where Iridikron took the hunger magic from his corpse and fucked off with Xal'atath.
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![10.2 Fyrakk Burns Emerald Dream Cinematic - Tyrande Joins Vyranoth [WoW: Guardians of the Dream]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/BaE2uuysQWc/mqdefault.jpg)
The way that Nozdormu tells the whelp, "you will make it."
Poor little fella needed all the encouragement it can get. Wonder who the whelp is in the future.
NEVER BACK DOWN NEVER WHAT
@@Athelarius what if the little whelp is Chromie? OR... what if it was Eternus as a little baby whelp and her big sister died saving her? (currently taking a big break off WoW and i haven't even looked at all the new 10.1.7 info yet)
@shinydoubloon8237 pretty sure it's chromie with the green eyes being a factor
@@shinydoubloon8237 I thought right away that the whelp was Chromie
its cool that Fyrakk gave the Druids of the Flame new employment after Fandral Staghelm's demise.
Reusing the old assets for no reason
And turned heat up to 11.
Fandral Staghelm and by extension Ragnaros.
@@thenewguyinred Ragnaros is hella dead tho
@@CapOfXav Dunno. Apparently we're taking out Smolderon in the new raid and the DI heritage quests hint that re-igniting Ragnaros may actually be possible.
Fyrakk: "He [Iridikron] is the one who set me free"
Razageth, from the Shadowlands: "You're welcome, brother 😒"
I think that has a double meaning. Iridikron set him free by letting him be his crazy self and to consume shadowflame.
The second being the shadowflame itself. Its no secret hes already fallen to corruption and hearing and talking to voices in his head.
@@Evilshtt353I think thats part of why Vyranoth turned on him. He did even bother to respect the one who died to truly set them free.
I think its not fyrrak who says that but entity in shadowflame. Same as he says "ours" but he dosnt mean incarnates but himself plus the void. Or that just a void lords talks about themselfes in plural and they take over fyrrak as they did with nefarion.
i dont think Razageth is in the Shadowlands, i think she might be in the Elementalshadowlands
@@TheXshad He's talking about both himself and Iridikron because Iridikron has already formed an alliance with the Void Lords by making a dark bargain with them and he even walked into the Voidgate to prove it.
This dynamic between starscream and the winter queen is epic.
Love that everyone thinks fyrakk is starscream😂
Nah fyrakk reminds me of the ebony maw from avengers endgame/infinity war
Glad I'm not the only one who thinks that Fyrakk is like Starscream
@@jamiehughes5573 Who?
@@jamiehughes5573How? Fyrakk is nowhere near as calm as Ebony Maw
Man that faceless one was spitting some wild stuff. Surprised it got past the censors.
Fricken called it! Fyrrak was gonna go bonkers and Vyranoth was gonna say "nah f this" and become essentially the "Aspect of Primalists"
can vyranoth will be empowered by golganneth as aspect of seas skies and storms.
@@patrikzotaj4528 I don't think wants anything to do with the Titans or their 'blessings'. If anything, she might get blessed by Azeroth herself if to be an Aspect. Kinda like Magni.
@@BlueWoWTaylan CHAMPION I NEED YER AID!
@@patrikzotaj4528 also That'd be more of Razageths Territory
Everybody is gangsta until the Titans show up in the next expansion...
I do not count this as a redemption for Vyranoth, she was never in need of redemption. Her methods may have been wrong, but she was always in the right.
What methods all she’s done is freeze a lake?
I haven't seen her done anything wrong, she is just protecting her race right to exist.
@@tarnyowl6068
I’m going to guess it’s going to be in a story book. She and the power she embodies is extremely bad news for us if that Primalist Timeline is any indication.
Just about everything on Azeroth is influenced by the Titans and our relationship with them is… complicated.
The thing for Vyranoth is like most of the Primalist, she has a beef with the Titans and want the world freed of them. Which is a different intention from say… the Old gods.
Fyrrak is crossing lines more in league with what the void wants and the ice lady wants nothing to do with that. To the ice lady, we officially the lesser of 2 evils.
She seems to be the most reasonable out of the incarnates
Vyranoth did nothing wrong!
There are 5 seats at Valdrakken. Red. Green. Black. Bronze. Blue.... but there's also room for a sixth to lead the Primal dragons.
With her logical and level-headed thinking, I see that sixth seat being occupied by Vyranoth.
Dude, I'm praying for that. Vyranoth one love.
Remember what company youre discussing about....blizz aint great aint turning villians around.
can vyranoth will be empowered by golganneth as aspect of seas skies and storms.
Meanwhile in Outland,
Neltharaku: HELLO, What about us?
@@patrikzotaj4528 She wouldn't want that. She is against the Titans' meddling, and would not want to be empowered by one.
Vyranoth:"We took up arms together to free the world from the titans' meddling. That is the war I fight. That is the victory I seek". Fyrakk:" *growls* We CANNOT achieve victory with our hands bound by your ideals! *successfully corrupts Larodar* Besides your ideals mean nothing to me and Iridikron, I now see that they're nothing more than just follies, and I now also see that the only way to achieve victory is to join the Void Lords and usher in the new Hour of Twilight, and with the Titans gone, we will allow the Void Lords to both enter and gained ahold of this world with their dark iron grip, and they will corrupt everyone and every creature in their path and twisting them into their cause while consuming and twisting the entire world itself with shadowflame and then Darkness and Chaos will REIGN SUPREME!!! That is the true war Iridikron and I now fight. And that is the real victory Iridikron and I truly seek." Vyranoth: "Indeed. Then our course is set." *leaves in disgust*
Gruesome yet delightful massacre must be the second coolest villain quote in warcraft . First being mgrllllgrlllgrlll
ELISANDE!!! My lady please be better this time around
I hope Vyranoth is the last one standing and remains a villain. WoW lacks villains with genuine sympathetic causes. I fear she'll turn anti-hero, and it'll be quite interesting, but could have been more.
she probably dies, and we then get some old god thing at the end or so, or she becomes an aspect
One of the problems with the writing is they kill off villains too fast and don’t allow them to achieve victory enough ..I Hate that they burned down teldrassil but atleast blizz had the balls to truely change the world and do something sinister
@@Chitown18 multi xpac spanning villains are kinda hard to do
If you let them get away with too much there final defeat NEVER feels good enough
Talking about individual villains ofc
WOWs big villains are not individuals but manifestations of Primal forces
why are people hating this? this is a fine upgrade from shadowlands and the story actually feels thought out and emotional.
because people always are haters and they follow hater streamers like asmongold. they just blame like a shit.
They’ve been traumatized to the point they can’t recognize when a good story is presented to them and will resort to call it child friendly trash, like they did with Pandaria, which is widely praised as of today for some of the best lore in the game. Players are just never satisfied.
Maybe because the story developments are extremely slow and predictable - and the writing is middle-school grade at best, at least by my country standards.
Main issue WoW has currently regarding its story is it's progression being slow and snippets of story we are getting with each patch are less than you'd get in an episode of Brazilian telenovela.
@@braules I tire of the myth that players are never satisfied
Blizzard got a crybaby crowed instead of fanboys. They are even worse than fanboys, they live from hating everthing and sharing this hate on the internet so upvote each other, that's what the live for.
A pathetic existence, but at least it's wasted on a videogame.
I get that Vryanoth didn’t really do anything, but her switch felt too fast for me. I hope she either betrays us or is killed by Iridkron to prove a point
indeed, it was too fast.
She can’t be killed easily. She is as powerful as razagezth
I mean... It really looks like she was going to do something like that and she was the closest to Alex back then so... Sadly, I think she's going to die regardless, maybe saving Alex from Iridikron or as a sacrifice
I do feel like the possibility of Nozdormu becoming Murozond in this expansion is still alive, especially after seeing this. I feel like part of his transformation will be his own choice from the looks of it.
People keep saying that Vryanoth switching sides is rushed, but realistically, weren't all the Incarnates actually on the same side as the Aspects in the past? They aren't just some random Dragons that showed up from nowhere. Their backstory is that they were literally like siblings to the Aspects before the Titans came and 'corrupted' dragonkind.
I think people aren't realizing that just because Vyranoth will stand against Fyrakk and will aid in protecting Azeroth (her original plan anyway) doesn't mean we're allies. She still feels betrayed by Alexstrasza and now Fyrakk is doing exactly what the Titans did, infusing others against their will.
That too lol. @@Servellion
Where in Elune's name is Elune? Wasn't the new World Tree planted in the Emerald Dream, a place with a symbiotic relationship with Ardenweald? A place with strong connections to Elune, the Green Dragonflight (Ysera being her "pet"), and so on. I thought after all the teasing from Legion through Shadowlands, we'd finally have some answers. They don't need to explain her entirely or even show her in some kind of physical manifestation (Blizzard doesn't have the balls to make a woman any sexier than Alexstraza or Jaina), but where she stands in the grand hierarchy of things. A First One? A Deity independent of the Cosmological Forces. A "titan" of Life? A rehabilitated Old God?
I like the idea of rehabilitated independent old gods.
With each expansion they imply she's higher up the chain. I wouldn't be surprised if they make Elune a First One.
Haven't played since SL and this scene alone is far better than anything SL had to offer.
We all suspected Vyranoth would help us at some point, and I think that's fine. But like, already? A few cinematics ago she was telling Alexstrasza that what she did was unforgivable, and that all she felt towards her was vengeance and anger. And all it took is Fyrakk being slightly more unhinged than normal to change her mind? Kinda lame imo
More terrible writing from the idiots at Blizzard.
They are focusing on Fyrakk 100% rn. which I guess means moving things involving that story. Vyranoth already is at odd, so I guess her flip is more sudden given the next update(s), and the last few are all Fyrakk focused
eh he pretty much went batshit insane after drinking the shadowflame, before that he seemed aggressive and impulsive but still solidly aligned to the general principles of the Primalists. but now he is very obviously corrupted and without Iridikron to keep him in check and with him already straight up attacking her it makes sense for her to search for other ways to prevent him from becoming a worse problem for the world than the Titans.
Bro iridikron fucked off thru a void gate and convinced her brother to consume shadowflame and essentially manipulated fyrakk into getting corrupted. Vyranoth doesnt like us, but the fact her character aint stupid and sees that we are the better side in this conflict is refreshing imo
Love the cutscene with Nozdomu and the whelp but the scene with the incarnate I really feel like it's being rushed all over again and whatever happened to the dracthyr? I thought her realization would have taken a little bit longer or at least like a couple expansions but it feels like they're doing the same thing what they did with neltharion's laboratory really not giving us a moment to like prosper what's going on
Because the writing is garbage and this has become a product cycle and nothing more
If play the game and watch the Aberrus cutscenes they tell you that the split between the dracthyr is being dealt with. Since half of them went along and follwoed sarkareth. It's not rushed, Vyranoth is watching Fyrakk do the same thing the Titans did to dragons and she's not going to support that. She just wants everyone to be able to make free choices without some puppet master.
Does the music at 4:49 play in-game when Eternus and Nozdormu are talking? If so, what is the track called?
i just love Vyranoth
Me 2!!! She’s pretty cool
I seriously hope that all of the dragons are united by the end of this. I want to see the aspect council expanded!
Me too! I want Vyranoth added to the council as aspect of the primals. The representative of all dragons who did not take the titans offer.
@@ericmoody2899 indeed, and maybe she could become an embodiment of Fire, Frost, Earth, and Storm. her top commanders could be a brash, but well-meaning storm dragon (maybe a resurrected Raszageth, idk), an unpredictable frost dragon, an earth dragon who is probably the most level-headed of them, and a brilliant fire dragon who likes a slow burn if you get me.
Fuck that. Alexstrasza committed a truly heinous crime against nature, the elements, and her own children, on behalf of gods that abandoned them eons ago.
The dragons shouldn't "unite" until Alex answers for that shit.
what about netherwing dragonflight will they rejoin the black dragonflight led by ebyssian.
I like your videos but im confusing every time i watch them.. they are not in order..
At first I thought 'ok clearly shes bideing her time to strike at Alexstraza and take the 'Queen' off the board' but then I read that she is helping Wrathion bring the storm drakes and nether drakes into the alliance so I guess she's actually sincere.......unless were about to get some patented Blizzard 'subversion of expectations', time will tell.
where did you read that? are there more quests i havent noticed? me must know!
Its in the Fandy Interview with Morgan Day and Patrick Scarborough I found the article on MMO-champion @@GodOfMadness99
The keepers are supposed to be demigods and be powerful right so why do they keep Ls instead of groves
Pretty sure it's just their daddy that's a demigod.
@@justinb7494 Cenarius is a Wild God which would make his children/grandchildren (aka the Keepers and Dryads) demi-wild gods. Unsure about the previous Ls but Fyrakk being a proto-dragon infused with shadowflame likely puts him at near level to one of the Aspects. Ysera was known to be more powerful then Cenarius, so if Fyrakk could give a Aspect a run for their money I sincerely doubt a Keeper is going to do much here.
I miss when we were just adventurers, setting out to help the big world in smalls ways.
I adore Fyrakk as a character. I dont want to fight him 😢
You don't want to fight Fyrakk...
I want him to win!!
@@ifuleastarscream fan detected.
Who could've seen THAT coming? Oh, except everyone from the moment her humanoid model was revealed and she looked like the Winter Queen and was obviously set up to turn against the Incarnates.
Yeah I've been calling out Blizzard's blatant stawmanning for over a decade now. They keep failing at basic storytelling and keep being given the "but it's a MMO" excuse. Like F'ers the Teen Titans never died, and always won in the end, but they still suffered failures, loss, and had their own ideals proven.wrong and challenged, and they were a "kids show". Blizzard either give us some world building quests to show us that these "amazing leaders" actually give a crap about their followers (Genn Greymane has 0 post cataclysm quests to help the gilnean refugees and those people have been homeless on the streets for how many years now thanks to Blizzard's writing?) Or at least make these main stories as actually have some more depth to them, like DF is the step in the right direction but the straw man factor is still too strong that everything is just bland and predictable.
@@codyraugh6599 Kid, you got ZERO clue what story telling is. You are ruined by cheap and stupid Hollywoord and Anime bullshit, the worst writing in existence.
@@codyraugh6599imagine spending over a decade thinking about and bitching about something you hate. 😂😂😂
so, we hype up Iridikron to be a really really bad guy, but he just boops away?
Right, okay.
He fled somewhere, presumably we'll fight him in a next expansion. Are you capable of critical thinking ?
He literally went back in time to where Galakrond died and siphoned the power from his corpse into a device similar to the dragon soul, then went through a portal with Xal'atath very obviously standing there on the other side of it. Deathwing almost destroyed Azeroth by himself, barely using any void magic. Iridikron has quite literally weaponized the void and is working directly with an old god that is not imprisoned like N'Zoth was when Deathwing happened. If Deathwing did all that and he wasn't even an incarnate then imagine how exponentially more powerful Iridikron is having siphoned the magic from the most power dragon that ever existed, and giving it to the void. If we were of any consequence to Iridikron he would have just killed us at the beginning, not just distract us with Rasz, Fyrakk and Vyranoth.
Them going after the new tree is as stupid as Zovaal going after the world soul.
But how…. What else should they go for??
@@ultralance7470 Going after a titan device that transports the whole elemental planes into the world would be a good story beat. Instead, Blizzard crappily tries to tie expansions into each other, but they can't and should stop trying.
Fyrrak going after the Ardenweald tree is also a lazy rehash of the Mount Hyjal plot in Cataclysm. What is more stupid is that going after the Hyjal tree would do more for them because it's fully grown and destroying it would free the powerful water under it, as well as cut off the Emerald Dream from Azeroth which would allow the elements more free range.
The primals also don't do fel or necromancy, so the night elf souls won't give them any power, and Fyrrak is confused.
Well I think he is just fine. I think it is implied thru the symbolism of a seed capsule that the souls are no longer individual lives that can be returned. Rather, they are one single Kaldorei soul that is now being transferred to the dream to grow a new world tree directly from the dream. So forelands and Druids makes sense. They are trying to corrupt the balance of nature and change it to their bidding, no one really knows what that would like. You could argue buzzard will write it so if Fyrakk takes over, more fire elementals can cross over into our plane. Or burn the dream plane into the fire plane. I will agree that the story is rehashed as far as the season goes. But the vyranoth changing sides thing was pretty impactful. I think it suggests blizzard wants to right a more intuitive plot rather than just shadow is bad light is good. Dragonflight has shown us that characters can be humble and choose unity rather than war and violence for the greater good of Azeroth. It’s actually pretty heart warming to see. To me it seems that the plot is mending, albeit slowly. I still think wow would benefit the most from a true universe reset though. My thought is this next expansion after would be the perfect time. Make iridikron do something world ending shit that brings us to the end of your void war. Make 11.0 the last expansion with the void war and then we “win” by resetting the whole universe. I would love to see something like that
Lol why would the titans make a devise that transports the elemental plane onto Azeroth
That would be a even worse plotline
@@colbymcallister77 I think such a device is dumb too, but I was thinking more along the lines of what Blizzard would do. Just as dumb as Deathwing's power glove, admittedly. An Aspect, a powerful leader can't maintain discipline, he needs mind control magic. It's very silly.
Ideally, the primals would break into any titan archive they can find to learn how Helya made the elemental planes, maybe invade the Halls of Valor, but I know Blizz would prefer a simple macguffin with no antecedent.
i knew she would become a ally lol blizzard is predictable XD
@@melkermagnusson5070 If that were true, Sylvanas wouldn't be in the maw.
I always figured this was coming. The way the first cutscene played out though makes the next one seem kinda… I dunno, soon? Feels kinda like how Y’Rel played out in WoD, we missed a piece of the puzzle somewhere.
I think if they had 1 last confrontation, like in the story leading up to 10.2 it wouldn’t have felt so jarring
You people make comments like this every single time, like you don't know that they will only tell us the full story in the novels as they have done for years and years and years. I literally cannot fathom how anybody can be surprised by this anymore.
Are we not gonna talk about the paladins being confirmed for other races?
What race?
I'm waiting for my NE paladin since Legion.
@@txdmsk oh yeah Void Elf paladins such a great fucking gift to the Alliance can't wait for the Blood elf genocide to follow
@@DCPTF2 Void Elf Paladins? Void is opposite of light.
What else do you want? Mages with downs syndrome for the decreased int?
@@VegetoStevieD I recommend rereading what I wrote
Alexstrasza lookin real fine here 😍.
Damn, did Fyrakk just corrupt Cenarius again?
That wasn’t cenarius
A Druid of the flame version of Cenarius would be nuts
Larodar
@@nobelmassinaarben2467isn't that a direct descendant of Cenarius tho?
The spoiler level of the title is over niiiine thooooouuuusands!
My personal guess is that Vyranoth will become... somewhat less openly hostile opposition. Still dedicated to removing the Titans taint as she sees it, but she won't just replace it with eldritch void bullshit. A clean war really.
Yep, Enemy Mine scenario. Though she might soften over time and be amicable, kinda like the Horde and Alliance at Current.
World of Slowtalkcraft
Vyranoth don't bretay de incarnates, the incarnates betrayed her.
I mean I saw Vyranoth joining us coming but I thought that'd be later, I can't say I expected freaking Elisande to come back into the plot though, I guess we'll be fighting her again (though it'll probably be a quest or dungeon this time)
Don't think she's joining us outright. This may simply be a temporary alliance against Fyrakk who pulling the same BS the Primalists were mad about in the first place.
the wow version of starscream?
so predictable...lizzard can never let a woman be evil
I 'm not hating the game, I think it's miles better than SL, however the story feels so boring for me
I like the bit where they all stand around in a circle talking ...
awesome work :)
Can you please tell me how to start the quest with Eternus? :)
Its off to the back of the area where dawn of the infinite is. If youre facing the dungeons far to the left in the hills.
@@cheft9249 Great! Thank you! :)
Interesting design choice to have these characters all talk at about the speed of smell.
My biggest issue with wow dialogue. Just spit it out already!
Makes me wanna jump in and raid again haha
Wow, who could have predicted this? /s
So...who wants to bet Alexstraza is going to backstab us all in order "not fail her people" to "break the titan's chains."
this isnt warcraft anymore
Honestly I kinda don't understand anything after shadowlands, a lot of new characters I have not heard before, I don't even know what's happening...
might help to play the game
It was so obvious that she will join Alexstrasza and betray the Incarnates.
The story has become bullshit, its not worth it anymore to pretend that it is a good story.
You can tell immediately what is going to happen when you see it - we cant lose, we wont lose and we will always be the Winners.
Its just disgusting to kill Monsters and even Gods, but still be wealer than a Faction leader, weaker than the Plot Armor Aspects et
the story is so bad it's good, ngl
Glad that we maybe get to see Elisande again, she was a cool character
Oh boy, another “DRAENOR IS FREE” wtf moment.
Fyrakks design with the face is screaming starcraft vibes.
Those face mandables
Wannabe dahaka mf
I really hate this millennial writing. Why would she switch sides like that? She just gave up on her entire cause in an instant!
I dont wanna believe that's not a random KotG but Cenarius. Because it's just getting embarassing at this point - killed by Grom, corrupted by Xavius, corrupted by druids of the flame? Demigod my ass, more like demi-hero
Well it isn't Cenarius.
Yeah...that's not Cenarius lol.
It’s honestly crazy how easily influenced so many of these higher beings are.
This shit was horribly bad. Vyranoth like Fyrakk was locked up for thousands of years. Fyrakk acts like someone who has locked up and is mad about it, he wants to burn down the people that sealed him away. Vyranoth is just seemingly ok with it and the terrible writers just had her and Alexstraza just talk it out like Alexstraza didn't just help a bunch of adventures kill her sister, Razageth.
Made no sense.
After many years without playing wow, saying in advance I respect the designs are cool and all that shit.. but, WTF is this? Are you fucking kidding me from the history I loved from warcraft 2 until wotlk..... what happened? sad to watch fornite-wow
Just wondering. 1:27. This ice creature is mentioning some "vile abomination" with the captured deer-druid-shit in front of her.
Isn't it a bit weird to say something about abominations while seeng this filthy beast (the ex-deer-druid itself).
Crazy how this whole expac couldve been stopped *if literally anyone just told the Primalists the Titans have been dead for Millennium*
Man at a certain point I can't give a fuck about world trees, redeemed villains and soppy emotional turmoil anymore. Give me Garrosh vs Varian back.
It'd be pretty funny if vyranoth betrays alexstrasza just because. Now that'd be very interesting for me. While I find dragonflight's story at least interesting, I can't help but get a really untrusted vibe from vyranoth herself. Don't know but I feel as if she's shady.
Fyrakk looks alot like grievous
And just as cool of a villain like Grievous
Watch a wow cinematic where characters aren't constantly crying about something challenge lvl: imposible
The music in Tyr's Guard scene is one bit of Storm Peaks' theme. 🙂Which is, honestly, unsurprising, given that Storm Peaks held quite a few references to Watcher Tyr.
I HAD a feeling and predicted that Vyranoth was going to betray the Incarnates after this scene when Fyrakk was going too far in front of her eyes.
Why fryrakk cant just be an asshole but is instead controlled
Blizzard keeps beating the dead horses, 35 anima was actually a better end😂
This is just some saturday morning cartoon writing. Holy shit has wow gone bad.
Clown show XD
Nothing like using betrayal for an easy plot twist.
I knew this was coming the second I saw the 3 of them. It's pretty lame honestly.
looks like fyrakk will become corrupted by shadowflame.
he already got corrupted by shadowflame back in 10.1 when he bathed in shadowflame infused lava in Zaralek Cavern
This didn't age well considering the new trailer shows us she is tricking the aspects.
2:03 story is, of course, nu-blizzard trash but this is always an interesting dilemma, obviously waved off here. Pragmatists/hypocrites view adhering to principle(s) as shackling, rather than sustainable. For example not killing (excepting retribution) is a solid principle because free killing = unsustainable but the hypocrite will say "not killing (not as retribution) makes my life harder so I toss out the principle" adopting and subjecting himself to the new principle of free killing.
Is eternus a night troll
It would be so cool if she was a dark troll, Idk if there were any who were maybe still influenced by the well of eternity but not a full transformation that would be really cool, or maybe she chose her visage before the dark trolls fully evolved into the night elves, and just stuck with it. because the point in time this seems to take place is at some point in the past after deathwing's betrayal when the black dragonflight were basically wiping out most of the other dragonflights so it must have been after the sundering when the night elves already were ruling for a very long time. itd be so interesting if that turned out to be true or partially true!!!
I absolutely adore the lore, story, characters and world building of this series. Started playing around the beginning of Wrath and been hooked on the Warcraft Universe. But I'm so burnt out on the gameplay at this point that it's impossible to justify paying the monthly fee to be apart of it. The quest design is what really kills it for me. Some quests are amazing like the ending to the Wrath Gate. But after the 935th "Go here and kill these guys oh and pick up all this random crap" it feels repetitive and dispassionate. I hate quests that exist just to pad gametime and interrupt the quests you actually want to get to with meaningless chores.
I still don’t get how Alexstrasza failed her people. Its completely different from what lore we’ve had for years points to, what Dragonflight: Legacies even points to, that the ascension into dragons (earlier than theyd evolve into them anyway) was a gift, and taken gladly. I’m fairly certain even the old novel touches on that. Granted, its not as blatant and aggravating as what Shadowlands did, but is not sitting right with me
Whilst this is definitely an upgrade over SL... It's still elementary school writing. Slow, predictable with no real deepths. The old bad turns good and one of the baddies redeems herself. Seen again and again and again....
as someone who has seen 1million movies the second vyranoth agreed to stand against them i knew she was dead. 100% calling it now she dies fighting one of the 2 incarnates left
Vyranoth needs not redemption. She never was twisted in the first place.
My initial prediction was that Vyranoth would be sided more with Fyrakk and Iridikron yet passive to us, only really turning into a proper enemy if/when we kill Fyrakk, seeking revenge for his death. Turns out I was wrong only in that I had things flipped. She was more passive to her brothers and only decided to turn when Fyrakk went over the deep end. A lot of the prt leaks showed us that despite her general animosity for the aspects and their flights, Wrathion take the time to actually talk to her, to know her, and even tells her of the flights that exist outside the aspects' influence.
Wait Kul'Tirans can be paladins now????
Looks like they are setting up paladins for everybody, starting with Tyr's Guard shenanigans
if you did Paladin during Legion, you would've seen the first NELF Paladin.
every power role is female now, every villain seems weak willed, story is absolute trash and uninteresting.
my day is ruined and my disappointment is immeasurable, no pun intended
Oh no there’s giiiirrrrllls. :((( you’re a manchild.
1:05 is that Cenarius in trouble, again?
No
woah no way vyranoth does that, what a surprise...oh wait its not a surprise, its actually boring writing and it was obvious from the start
Vyranoth joining us was so predictable that it just hurts
It sucks that everyone is getting what they want?
@@VegetoStevieD It's just that this storyline is super generic and predictable, and Vyranoth isn't interesting or complex at all
it's not like she's even getting "redeemed", she was never in the wrong in the first place
she's never done anything that bad, nor does she have any character flaws which basically just leaves you with a well animated cardboard cutout
@@orkaydk9430 "this storyline is super generic"
Ya, I'm tired of all those "Titans corrupted our eggs" stories that Hollywood dishes out every other week. 🙄
@@VegetoStevieD Arguing with people who don't like the story isn't going to change their mind. Obviously this isn't what everyone wanted.
@@matrixcom69he's one of those people who consider other people's opinions to be incorrect, and we should always agree with them
Argh! Wait! So the infinite dragons CHOSE to join the infinite dragonflight?!
not because they get corrupted my murozond, but they CHOSE to be infinites?!
Why?
It’s even more stupid that nozdormu is trying to befriend the flight that he ends up creating in the future once he falls to corruption
The corruption, mind you, comes from the OLD GODS!, or are the old gods no long a part of nozdormu becoming murozond now?
The infinites were the necessary evil response to the old gods and other things. Not their servants
so you would prefer another "good guys get coRupTeD" storyline over something that actually has potential to have nuance and depth to it?
Also, is there some reason that the silver hand is being mirrored? Was there some kind of political debate about the fist?
This is so cringe lol Jfc what happened to Warcraft
im a bit confused, didnt we kill elisande at legion?
This is why Chromie said "It depends WHEN she has the disc" because it could be before Elisandre took the deal with the legion or shortly after, but sometime before we took her down.
Somebody didn't pay any attention to the entire patch. Every bit of its content involves time travel, and the dungeon literally took us back to right after Galakrond died, where Iridikron took the hunger magic from his corpse and fucked off with Xal'atath.
Bruh
WoW lore has become softer than baby shit.
Remember the SoO cinematic after defeating Garrosh? Where's that kind of peace talk?
This was so cool! I can’t wait to see it ingame.
You gotta be a bot.
@@StoneislandYT lol k
i was thinking the same hahahaha@@StoneislandYT
Only an NPC would call someone a bot @@StoneislandYT
Only an idiot would call someone an npc, you must be a redditor hard stuck in 2019.
4:35 Do I sense another Drak'tyr Class option (in a not so distant future)?!
9:28 Ulduar/Storm Peaks music... this so fucking epic