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In this video we take a look at Microsoft Flight Simulator's (MSFS) sim update 8.
We compare sim update 8 against the previous iteration of the sim and check out performance, weather fixes and most importantly the new prop physics!
Please note this video and all its contents / materials, is for entertainment / simulation purposes only.
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Enjoy the video! - Ігри
Thursday a update coming to cy57 and mig29 being added with smoke (white,red,blue,green)
Ah ok, cheers Ryan! I’m sure that will provide a fair bit of fun for quite a lot people : )
Thanks for the sim update news. :)
You’re most welcome Thomas! Thanks very much for watching : )
Thanks for the comparison.
My pleasure Imaner! Thanks very much for watching : )
thank you, for everything you do. best reviews, testing, comparisons, etc.
My absolute pleasure Marshie! I’m glad that you continue to enjoy the content. Thank you very much once again for the kind words : )
All the best!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations yes, you do an excellent job. Probably the most detailed and intelligent analysis of msfs related content I've at least seen
Thank you very much Ryan! Very high praise again and thoroughly appreciated.
I certainly try to make my videos the best they can be, so of course it’s always very rewarding to hear that people are enjoying the content!
Cheers and all the best : )
Nice review. Thank you for the tests.
Thanks very much Higor, my pleasure! : )
All the best!
I just flew the Cessna Citation Longitude and the thrust reversers would not retract after landing, so the aircraft was stuck on the runway.
Haha, well that can’t be true. . . according to Asobo’s release notes, they fixed up the thrust reversers on all aircraft (a little too well apparently)! : P
That’s annoying. Any chance it could have been a key-binding issue? I guess they broke it otherwise. . .
All the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Thank you for responding. After the issue I checked my joystick and all of the controls worked perfectly. I had assigned a key on the joystick base for thrust reverse.
Hi ZZ, you’re most welcome!
Hmm, sounds like a bug then I guess. Asobo did mention updates on thrust reversers, so they must have broken something in the process (sadly something that seems to happen all too often). Unfortunately it’ll probably be a while before things get fixed up as well. . .
I guess for the time being, you’ll have to make sure the runway is long enough to land without reverse thrust ; )
All the best! : )
And just to clarify to people in the community since ive seen atleast a few people confused about this, but this update is exclusively prop physics and making them abide by the same simulation as wing surfaces. The new CFD airflow simulation they teased in the feature discovery and livestream is sim update 9.
Do you kniw when the CFD simulation will be expected? I could not see it on the roadmap. I agree it is abit confusing
@@ramygjerde6574 Sim update 9, as the devs have stated ua-cam.com/video/jX6ftFBU0Q4/v-deo.html
A very good point to clarify there Raven and one I think I got a little caught out on myself; I knew the physics update related to prop physics, but for some reason I had it in my head that would include prop wash etc as well (hence testing elevator effectiveness etc). Most of my tests in the Cessna were probably a bit moot then, but at least the King Air provided a good demonstration of what Asobo has achieved.
Looking forward to SU9 then!
Thanks and all the best : )
Nice work showcasing the changes, off to download 8 right now!
Thanks Russell! Enjoy : )
So there are a couple of default aircraft that have the prop modeling enabled. The way I read it, you can enable prop modeling on any default prop aircraft ? How is this done? Does anyone know?
Hi Andrew,
I don’t believe that’s the case: Currently the C152, C208 and the Kingair 350i are the only default aircraft with the updated prop physics modelled / enabled. Whilst developers can choose whether or not to use this functionality, the prop physics would need to be modelled, in order for them to be “enabled”.
In short, I don’t believe you can use the new prop physics on any default aircraft outside of the ones mentioned above.
I hope that clarifies things a little. All the best! : )
Good analysis, thank you. It's good to see the sim developing 😎
Thanks very much once again Peter!
Indeed, it’s nice to finally see something that’s of direct benefit to the core sim, as opposed to more “content”. Good on Asobo for listening to its user base. Hopefully 3rd party devs can now put these new physics to good use! : )
GREAT review and video. It does help with any review to do a "side by side" and you did as best as one can do with that. I don't mind the updates as long as they address the "issues" as well as new airports/planes etc. Thanks! !! !!!
Thanks very much Mark, my pleasure! Glad you enjoyed it.
Yeah, I try my best to compare things where I can - makes it easier for me (if no one else haha) to clarify what’s actually changed.
I completely agree that it’s great to see the core sim finally getting an upgrade, as opposed to constant new content.
Cheers and all the best! : )
Big Thanks for the excellent review !
My absolute pleasure Jcomm! Glad you enjoyed it : )
Thanks and all the best!
Thanks for that. Great to see the response to user input on these updates.
Cheers Terry, my pleasure!
Yeah, Asobo get a lot of flack (some of it deserved), but I don’t think anyone could accuse them of not trying to work with the community. They have good processes in place for taking on board feedback and also for keeping the community updated. I think they genuinely try their best when it comes to MSFS.
Sim Update 8 apparently hasn’t been great for everyone, but the improvements that are there, are a step in the right direction at least.
All the best : )
Very intresting video. Thank you so much testing the new features for us.
Thanks very much Andre, my pleasure! I’m glad you enjoyed it : )
All the best!
Excellent video as always. I haven't flown in the updated version yet but have done the update install. My update went very smoothly but I found that I had to reinstall my Australian WU from the Market Place. The Market Place showed that I owned it but unlike the other world updates, it was not installed. One to look out for.
Thanks Squirel!
Glad to hear the update went smoothly - same on my end (I gather some weren’t so lucky). That’s a strange one re the Australia update haha, cheers for the info though. That has just reminded me, I do still have some updates I need to run. . .
Happy flying! : )
I just took a flight from the Kagawa area to Okayama in Japan along the bridge (to see it) and it was overcast with only the bottom cloud layer while the upper layers were clear. When I flew through that cloud layer it was very noticeable that the clouds had significantly improved since Sim Update 7. It looked significantly better - the cloud was animating and it had the kind of depth and liveliness I would expect of clouds.
Ah that’s great to hear then IshayuG. The new overcast depiction must relate to Live Weather and not the preset. Thanks for the info!
Sounds like a nice flight by the way! All the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations I don't know if it does or not to be perfectly honest with you, but the clouds looked fantastic. Different heights, different movements, you can see them swirling (obviously very slowly) past and around one another, their shadows moving across the ground.
It was nice. I should've taken a screenshot. :)
Sounds brilliant!
Haha, I always see the best things in the sim when I’m *not* recording XD
The autorudder in the sim bothers me soooo much... Nice video.
You can the autorudder off Matías : )
Or are you referring to the complete lack of rudder required during takeoff, climb etc?
Thanks very much, glad you enjoyed the video! All the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations The lack of rudder required during not only takeoff and climb, but also turns! When I turn, the turn coordinator gauge stays always centered. If I give a subtle left input (for example), then it drifts to the left.
Best regads.
Ah I see; yes, that’s definitely an issue with a lot of aircraft in the sim. Some of the payware aircraft have better flight modelling in this regard (the Just Flight Arrow for example), but the default aircraft are definitely still lacking, in terms of the behaviour you mention. The new prop physics seem to go some way to addressing that though and I gather more aerodynamics updates will be included with Sim Update 9.
All the best! : )
Great useful video!
Thanks very much Andrea! Much appreciated : )
Had a good look around Adelaide earlier in the 172. Seemed smoother. Also gave me an option to keep or disable photogrammetry real time when bandwidth had an issue. Previously it would switch automatically if memory serves.
Hi Mark,
Hmm, that’s interesting. I would say my sim seems slightly jerkier if anything haha. I seem to have a bit of stuttering now, where I wasn’t before. I can’t remember now, are you on the Xbox? Most Xbox users seem to be commenting that the sim is running better for them.
That’s great news re the Photogrammetry. It always annoyed me when that popped up in the middle of a flight (let alone a recording!). I’d rather have some iffy looking photogrammetry, than a big red box on my screen haha.
Cheers!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations I’m on the PC. Nothing fancy either, still running the GTX1070 and i7 4790k with 24GB. Planning on building a new rig in May, that said.
Ahh, ok. Not sure where my stutters might be coming from then. I noticed I’m getting some pretty low FPS when loading initially as well (for about 30 seconds or so).
I’ll have to Sherlock Holmes my way through the community folder and see if anything there is to blame haha!
Cheers : )
Since sim update 8 it’s been freezing on Series X
Oh, sorry to hear that PP. It seems like the update has been a mixed bag for everyone once again. I’ve had other Xbox users saying the sim is actually now running better for them. . . Same on PC, still quite a few people having freezes, CTD’s etc.
It’s really sad that Asobo hasn’t been able to get a grip on this really foundational stuff; bugs are one thing, people not being able to use the sim is quite another. . .
All the best!
WooW, they r really improving msfs.... This is amazing 👍
Yeah, it’s nice to see some updates that are of overall benefit to the sim for a change (as opposed to just more content)! Hopefully 3rd party devs can put the new physics to good use as well : )
All the best!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations yes 3rd party devs must release accurate planes.
Well hopefully this ought to help them do that. More physics updates are due with Sim Update 9 as well : )
call me when prop physics is upgraded for the pmdg dc6
Well that’s what I’m hoping for UD. I figure that the default planes are really more of a “proof of concept”; but now that the modelling option exists, hopefully other devs will make good use of it!
All the best!
That's insane how the animation for the prop works for you.
It didn’t work for you Ryan? That’s very strange. . .
@@IntotheBlueSimulations I actually followed your way of doing it and it worked. I think I was doing the wrong sequence. I was doing feather then cut off
Ah ok, well I’m glad you got it figured out! : )
Cheers Ryan!
MSFS is frustrating when it comes to aircraft physics for me. As a real world pilot and flight sim enthusiast I can understand there is going to be a limit as to how much a sim can replicate real world flight, however my issue with MSFS is with the tailwheel aircraft physics within the sim. I feel that ASOBO have completely dropped the ball with this one. The taxi/ takeoff physics are not even close to real-life! They have more in common with an arcade game than a sim tbh. If you compare the tailwheel physics of aircraft in DCS world to MSFS, it doesn't even come close. Nose wheel undercarriage aircraft get away with this shortcoming within MSFS because these aircraft don't experience the same yaw instability on taxi and takeoff and will generally self-center if they swerv on landing
Tailwheel aircraft are much more susceptible to ground looping. Ground-looping occurs because, whereas a nosewheel aircraft is steered from ahead of the center of gravity, a taildragger is steered from behind which makes them inherently unstable on the ground. In addition, some tailwheel aircraft must transition from using the rudder to steering using a castoring tailwheel while passing through the speed range when neither is wholly effective due to the nose high angle of the aircraft and lack of airflow over the rudder. DCS World has modelled these physics really well better than any other sim I've experience. Its so unfortunate MSFS have opted to avoid modelling this.
Hi MW,
Yes, MSFS can certainly still be a frustrating sim and taildragger physics are still in need of much work (with Asobo not having been in much of a hurry to fix them it seems). I gather Asobo is aware of what's causing the issues, so hopefully we will see improvements at some point going forward. It seems like for the time being, devs custom coding their own physics (as we have just seen with FlyingIron's Hellcat) is the only real solution.
The DCS ground physics are light years ahead and indeed, DCS has the best flight modelling of any sim from what I have seen. No sim is perfect though and MSFS does have its own strengths. The good news is, even after 2 years, MSFS is still the relatively new kid on the block; though progress has been slow, the sim has definitely come on a long way and will hopefully continue to do so!
Cheers and all the best : )
There's been an update to weight changes while in sim.
While in a flight, you can now change weight settings without everything getting reset to whatever setting you loaded in with.
You now have to press enter after changing weights.
When entering 0 as a weight, you have to enter 00 and then hit enter or I find it doesn't register.
Sounds like a positive fix overall then, although the 00 thing is a bit odd haha.
Cheers HDM! : )
the game serves "weather radar data" to addon aircraft as flat bitmaps of the radar image, which obviously can't be edited, rather than actual data about rain/wind/turbulence which the addon could use to create realistic weather radar displays. unfortunately the flat bitmaps are very exaggerated, showing very minor rain/turbulence as red/purple patches of death. for this reason devs like FBW have simply disabled the whole hot mess in their addons until Asobo actually provide a proper weather API. it's been requested multiple times but, no joy yet.
Yeah, a proper weather API seems to have been a stumbling block for a number of devs at this point (from what PMDG have been saying, sounds like the issue might have been sorted though?). I’m surprised that as a short-term fix, Asobo can’t just dial down the bitmaps? but what do I know haha XD
Cheers!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations interesting. can you point me to PMDG's statement?
I couldn’t point you to anything specific from PMDG Bernard and maybe it was an inference on my part, but I had understood that their “stumbling block” was weather radar related? Maybe I have it wrong. . .
That being said, I think point 4 of this post would suggest the same thing though?:
nextgensim.com.co/blog/index.php/2022/03/02/statusupdate-q12022/
Cheers : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations yeah, that's just the bitmaps being available through WASM (managed C++ container). it doesn't expose the data, just the pre-rendered nonsense :(
Ahhh, more of the same then. . . : /
When you tested the 152 did you note any difference in the amount of right rudder required to center the ball to counteract p-factor at different power settings?
Hi Jeremy,
I must admit that I neglected to check the turn and slip indicator specifically (a bit silly on my part). I can’t say I noticed much difference in how the aircraft handled overall though and it didn’t “feel” like it was out of balance (even during the takeoff, it still didn’t feel like there was much in the way of torque, p-factor etc).
I think on the default aircraft, the changes were probably fairly rudimentary, but hopefully the new physics open up new opportunities for other developers.
All the best! : )
It was kind of weird, and a credit to this sim, that I can instantly recognise my home city as the scenery loaded. Circuits around Robben Island, spotlight on Cape Town!
Haha, nice! I’ve not had the opportunity to see Cape Town for myself in the real world, but it looks like a stunning area, from what I’ve seen in pics etc. Table Mountain certainly looks very beautiful. As you say, it’s quite impressive what the sim can render most of the time.
All the best! : )
Shouldn't the weather also take into account ocean conditions?
Hi Stephen,
I’m afraid I don’t quite understand the question. Did you mean; should the weather simulation take into account ocean temperatures etc? Or did you mean the other way around, ie the ocean conditions should be affected by the weather?
The ocean conditions in the sim already are affected by the weather, although there is certainly room for improvement in terms of how that’s implemented.
All the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations I guess I mean the waves. The ocean, as it is now looks as calm as a small lake, or pond.
Ahhh I see. I agree that the ocean does generally look rather too calm overall (and could still use some improvements in that respect). If you crank up the wind in the sim, it does create more tumultuous waters, with white tops etc though : )
Couldn't see, were there any left-turning tendencies on the takeoff, once airborne? (C152)
There certainly wasn’t anything noticeably different Dilore. It was a little hard to tell in fairness, as I had to fly the two versions of the aircraft 1 day apart, but the SU8 version of the C152 still seemed to track straight down the runway more or less.
I expect 3rd party devs will get more use out of the new physics, than perhaps what Asobo has done here.
All the best! : )
It's nice to see many fixes to the default aircraft. Even with the add ons there are quite a few I still like flying.
The 152 got so much better now!
Glad you’re enjoying it RastaPilot! : )
Completely agree Robert. There are a number of them that I still enjoy. It’s easy to forget, but for default aircraft, many of them aren’t half-bad (I’m excluding the heavy jets from that haha)!
Cheers : )
Hope they have a few more bug fixing focused releases in the future. Good to see proper prop feathering included in the default flight model now, looking forward to other planes and third parties implementing it. Doesn't look like this update has caused any serious issues either so far (touch wood) so that's a relief! Thanks a lot for the vid as always. Now I'm finally caught up on your past month's output and I can finally give the update a go myself! Cheers.
I hope so too Megadyptes, the sim certainly still needs it! I gather Update 9 will be brining further flight modelling improvements - whilst it’s not bug fixing per se, at least it’s still sim enhancement.
Indeed, hopefully native prop-feathering mechanics should help other devs get things nailed down (I’m looking at you Aerosoft hehe!).
Thanks very much for watching (all of those vids) once again! That’s no small commitment on your part haha! Very much appreciated : )
All the best!
Could you please share the rest of your sensitivity settings? Control surfaces feel far too sensitive to me with linear default settings, which I've successfully used in every other sim. A video on the sensitivity issues in MSFS vs reality would be amazing, and hopefully motivate Asobo to address this major issue since launch that hasn't really been talked about. Also please test adverse yaw.
Why do you want his sensitivty settings? The game no longer saves them. They are reset after you exit the game.
Is that still happening for you Coogan Bear? I thought Asobo were supposed to have fixed that up with SU8 (I know for some users it has been fixed at least).
All the best!
I'm afraid I don't have anything interesting to share really holobolo. The only sensitivity setting I have changed in my sim is the rudder sensitivity - the rest I have let as default. I agree that the sim is overly sensitive in general, but of course adjusting control curves comes at a cost. The rudder is the only control I just couldn't bear in its default state, so I knocked that back with a curve of -50.
I'd consider making a video on the issue (although I'm not sure I'm the best man for the job on that one), but let's see what the state of the sim is like after SU9, as I believe more aerodynamics fixes are inbound then.
Sorry not to be able to offer more helpful input on that one. All the best!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Extremity Dead Zone doesn't save. I reported this as well as others, while in SU8.
Ahh ok CB. That’s not like Asobo. . . to only fix up half of the problem XD
Cheers for the info!
They finally fixed the bugged trophies on pc. I received 4 trophies on the loading screen one after the other that I couldn't get on previous version.
Haha, sounds like it was a windfall for you then Krico! XD
It’s silly that these sorts of bugs exist in the first place, but at least they have that one fixed up now then. . .
All the best! : )
An excellent overview of the update. I guess the thing is, when does one release a Sim? They could have held it over for another twelve months or so, and worked on it, leaving us with P3D and XPlane. Or, they could have done what they did, and I, for one, am glad. I've actually screamed at the bloody thing, but, overall, I think if not quite a masterpiece, it's one in the making. So much so, that it's now the only sim I have on my PC, and I'm wearing the loss of some wonderful aircraft in the other platforms as a result.
Thanks very much John!
Yes, it is an interesting conundrum and you always have to feel for devs; on the one hand they get flack for an unfinished product, on the other they get hounded to release.
Generally speaking, I like to purchase and see a finished product, but I think Asobo made the right call releasing it when they did, given the events of the last couple of years (I don’t know whether that influenced their decisions or not). I think a lot of people have used the sim as a bit of an “escape” from reality, a conduit through which to “travel” and ultimately a way to have some decent fun at home.
MSFS is still far from perfect and it’s a shame some of the foundational stuff still hasn’t been sorted (some people *still* getting constant CTD’s, not even being able to install the sim etc), but I very much enjoy it overall (at least for the GA stuff) and it is hard to go back to any other sim now. I fired up P3D today and found that quite out of the blue, all of my Orbx stuff had disappeared / uninstalled itself haha (it was working fine just a week ago). I briefly toyed with the idea of just uninstalling the whole sim, but I still use it for the occasional video - it’s living on borrowed time for sure though. . .
I think the fact that PMDG sold record numbers of the DC-6 (and there have been similar other occurrences with other devs), proves the fact that MSFS is probably here to stay. Hopefully as result, it continues to be developed as we would wish to see it and this update gives me hope that will happen.
Fingers crossed and all the best! : )
Do you have to enable the new physics?
Also my game crashes when I try to load in the c152. I have no mods installed.
Hi Slash,
Nope, other than downloading the sim update, there’s no need to do anything else on your end. As I say though, it’s only the 3 aircraft currently updated and even then, it’s only the prop physics that have been added (in other words, you may not notice a drastic change overall).
That’s very strange re the CTD. I would have guessed mods might be the issue, but not by the sounds of it. I don’t know what else could be causing that then though I’m afraid. Have you tried restarting the sim since you installed the update?
Cheers and all the best! : )
hey Captian! thank you for the review. I think there is no doubt that the sim is developing and going to the right direction. for me the SU8 made the FS run much smoother, and it does look somehow much better or flawless. and against other simulators we shouldn't forget that I'm able to run it on a 500€ XBOX in 4k. but what is for me the greatest fix coming with this update and it's bringing tears of happiness into my eyes (:D) is that the sensitivity settings of the HOTAS is finally saved after exiting the game. really, I don't mind any further CTDs, coz I don't need to set all 7 axis again after restarting! no more wishes, Asobo. (okay, I have a lot actually, but for today I'm done :D)
My pleasure as always Péter!
That’s great to hear that the sim is running a bit better on Xbox now, I’ve heard a few others saying the same thing. I wish I could say the same haha XD
That’s great news about the HOTAS fix! Long overdue, but it must be a bit relief haha. No more excuses for every landing not to be perfect now! : P
By the way, did you ever make it to the North Pole? : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations that mission is on hold, sir 😃 glad that I’m able to quit and resume as it takes like 17 hours to complete.
Haha, I dread to think what your virtual gas bill will be Péter, if you’ve just left that thing “hovering” for days on end!! XD
I’m getting major performance degradation over time.. Long haul flights are all but impossible right now. FPS drops down to 2-3 and then CTD. A lot of people seem to be suffering from the same issue but Asobo say they can’t recreate it for some reason.
Hi JBH,
Very sorry to hear that. You certainly aren’t the only one I’ve seen mention such an issue sine the update and indeed, this seems to have been a problem for some since the sim was released (more or less). I haven’t tended to fly any long haul routes in MSFS, so haven’t had the chance to test / experience this myself.
It’s certainly unfortunate that Asobo haven’t been able to replicate anything on their end. I do hope they manage to get to the bottom of things sooner rather than later!
Cheers and all the best!
Doing stalls 1,000 agl is pretty ballsy. 😂 Great video
Haha, definitely not a practice I would recommend!! but it helps a little bit with time saving, for the sake of the video ; )
Thanks very much! Glad you enjoyed it : )
All the best!
I dont know where you got your sim from but my props dont feather in the 350...they are stuck? Ugh forget my post. I forgot the oil feather system isnt simulated? I tried to feather on the runway...obviously doesnt work! In the real aircraft you can feather on the ground, since props are oil controlled! Not simulated IN aSOBO! NOW! Sorry...forget it, my error! Trying to believe this is a real sim?
Oil systems David. . . I think that one’s due to arrive in about 2028 XD
My take on it; the new default aircraft updates are nothing special, but *hopefully* the new prop physics open up new avenues for 3rd party devs. I gather there are more flight modelling updates due in SU9 as well.
On another note - I started watching watching one of your CS707 videos last night. Very much enjoying it so far. I had to take some in-flight rest once you got into the cruise (it was bedtime haha). Looking forward to watching the arrival soon (a sad reminder of just how far Captainsim have fallen though).
Cheers! : )
Best review yet - an actual review rather than a regurgitation. I arrived at same conclusions about performance. No visual differences, new release slightly degraded in the numbers. I’m running an i9-7940x with 64G DDR3200, Samsung SSDs, nVidia 2080ti at 4K with mostly high to ultra settings, lower-end anisotropic filtering and antialiasing, getting 35-39 fps with version 7.
I would have liked to see the prop being de-feathered …
Thank you sir! Glad you enjoyed it : )
Yeah, the performance degradation doesn’t seem to be anything crazy thankfully, although I am noticing a bit of stuttering now - where I wasn’t before. . .
All the best!
Yeah, that would have been a good one to do - it didn’t even occur to me actually haha. Now I’m wondering if it can be done. . .
i had to laugh when you said, "...boasts a long line of supposed fixes." :D it's sad that we've come to view any update from Asobo with such jaundiced eyes, but they've really done it to themselves, consistently, over the last year or so.
Haha, that wasn’t even intentional Bernard, but I guess subconsciously my brain knows what’s going on XD
I’m a big fan of the sim and I think Asobo have done some amazing work, but their quality control does seem to be haphazard at best. They end up chasing their tails and presumably creating a lot more work for themselves. I was pleased to see this update though, I know it hasn’t worked out for everybody (and that’s not ok), but just looking at the new physics etc, it’s great to see Asobo focusing on the sim for a change, as opposed to adding more content.
As you say, they’ve done it to themselves. It’s been 18 months and the pattern seems to continue, there are still some fundamentals that need fixing as well. I don’t see how things are going to get fully on track, until Asobo sort things out. That being said, my hat goes off to them in terms of their engagement with the community etc. I think their hearts are in the right place.
All the best! : )
Yes, it’s a real shame we’re still seeing a lot of haphazard updates. I can’t really think of too many areas where we’ve seen significant progress and we’re now approaching 2 years into the lifespan of the sim. It’s a shame, because MSFS has so much potential (and is already a good sim), but at this rate we’ll be looking at decades of development to get the sim to where it needs to be. . .
All the best!
As normal I can't find the update in the stupid microsoft store
Sorry to hear that Gary I hear the Microsoft store can be a bit of a nightmare sometimes - somewhat laughable when they own the store, the product and the operating system!
I hope you managed to get things resolved. All the best!
787 tutorial? :’))
Hi Jack,
I’m probably not the best man to do a tutorial on the aircraft, as I don’t know all that much about it in all honesty haha. That being said, I would like to carry out 1 or 2 flights in it at some point.
I did actually try recording a video with the 787 (+ Heavy Division mod) some time ago, but for whatever reason at that time, I was having major FPS issues with it. I will have to look into it again!
Thanks for the suggestion and all the best : )
The 787 hud still looks weird…
Ah that’s a shame James. Never been a big HUD “fan” myself, but that definitely should have been fixed up by now - especially on one of their “Premium” aircraft. . .
All the best!
i'm glad they're working on things that aren't just content updates! if there's anything this sim isn't sorely lacking it's content
Likewise OP! I think it’s about time.
As nice as free content is, you really want that *after* you have a solid sim in which to use it. I’m happy that Asobo have made this move and I hope they continue to work on the sim going forward.
All the best : )
What's new? lol More like "What's Broken"
Haha, well both are usually true XD
After7 tries, I gave up after the sim got stuck after I chose my aircraft and airport and nothing happened. It did allow me to buy the Staggerwing Beech before it kept crashing. I have had MSFS since it came out with the best package available. For me this has been the worst update to date. I love this sim, but am terribly disappointed!
Very sorry to hear that Jim. It seems you aren’t the only one and it’s rather ridiculous that we’re still in this position 18 months or so later. Bugs are one thing, not even being able to use the product you’ve paid for is quite another! Particularly annoying that you were able to purchase another addon and then not even able to use it.
I’m sure you probably already have, but have you tried cleaning out your community folder etc?
All the best!
It was released way to early all of these updates should have been in the sim already. Nothing new with Microsoft remember VISTA. Total garbage.
Hi Howard,
I would agree that the sim was indeed released too early and there were many issues that should have been fixed up before release. That being said, given the situation at the time, I’m somewhat glad Microsoft released it when they did - it gave us all something to do whilst stuck indoors.
Obviously Asobo / Microsoft can’t turn back the clock now, so here’s to hoping that they continue to fix up the sim and one day get it to the point where it should be!
All the best : )
King air races to 50kts on idle power low prop rpm and low mixture.. This is totally wrong.
That’s true Vinod (tested that myself after reading your comment). Not ideal of course.
The way I see it though; the default aircraft are never going to be accurate representations of the real deal (unless someone gives them the FBW treatment etc). The 3 aircraft here were “proofs of concept” as much as anything. The prop physics now exist and 3rd party devs (the people who are really going to make good use of them), can start including them in their products. Clearly ground handling of turboprops shouldn’t be a fundamental issue in the sim, as SimWorks Studios already did a pretty nice job with their Kodiak.
All the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations thanks for replying. For what it is worth you can dial down the power by 30% in the engines.cfg file which will fix the taxi problem. Feathering works in flight but not on the ground. But C208 feathering works even on the ground.
My pleasure Vinod!
Thanks very much for the info, I may have to give that a go myself then. I didn’t think to try feathering on the ground, but it is rather odd that it works on one aircraft and not the other. I can’t say I’m too surprised though haha.
All the best! : )
I get that loads of content probably sells more copies of MFS2020, but all content is lacking depths due to the sim not being advanced enough yet (SDK etc). Great to see they're working on the sim instead of working on new content.
Completely agree Victor! It’s great to see and has restored my faith somewhat, that Asobo does still aim to make this a “sim”.
All the best : )
Even with ultra settings the resolution and graphics at high altitude looks like shit.,better X-plane 11 and P3D
Yep, sadly I would have to agree with you on that one Cocox. Obviously it’s not comparing apples with apples, but the crispness of photo imagery at high altitude, is significantly better in X-Plane than MSFS. X-Plane is generally still a significantly better platform for jet ops currently. MSFS excels at the low and slow stuff.
Cheers!
Very good i bet you are a real world pilot. The real test for a twin is to cut an engine just after take off below VMC and with gear and possibly flaps down . If you can still hold it then that's not real.
Thanks very much Jeffrey, glad you enjoyed it! I am indeed lucky enough to fly in the real world also : )
That would have been a great test to carry out, don’t know why I didn’t think to try it actually. Apparently more physics improvements are coming in Sim Update 9, so perhaps I will try it then.
Thanks again and all the best!
I hate fs2020 physics
Fair enough FP, a lot of people don't like them.
MSFS currently does some things well and some things poorly. I use MSFS for GA / VFR, but if I want to do some more "serious" simming, I still head over to X-Plane.
MSFS still has a long way to go, but it's good to see that Asobo is at least finally starting to look into flight modelling etc (as opposed to solely working on new content).
All the best!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations I really wish it was less targeted for console, it would just be a better simulation over all. They need to add more cockpit functionality and a WAY better physics engine. If it were more like X-Plane I terms of instruments and physics. I would favor it over X-Plane.
New marketplace map shows no addons no matter the filters selected, crashed when updating items in the content manager, still no fix for messed up zooming in and out in the map with a trackpad that they broke about a year ago, and the fix for popout windows dropping performance dramatically doesn’t do anything so I still can’t look into getting some touchscreens or G1000 hardware as I’m not putting up with losing 20-25 FPS just because of a extra 2D window. Had a few freezes in the menu now including one that lasted five to ten minutes when closing the sim before I had to quit it via task manager.
The new marketplace is a mess, and yeah, the drone camera still tilts with any movement that they broke several updates ago, you’d think that one would be an easy fix. That’s my first little look at the update, disappointing as normal, keep it up Asobo. 🙄
glad to see someone else having these issues too. i now cant use the sim as it CTD after 2 mins everytime, in safe mode too :( i dont usually have problems when theres an update, but this one def broke it.
Sorry to hear that IR. It seems every update is a game of Russian roulette for everyone. I’ve been lucky so far I guess, but of course this sort of stuff needs to be sorted (and it’s not acceptable that it hasn’t been already).
I do hope that you manage to get things up and running again soon.
All the best!
but other than that WhiteHawk. . . : P
Yeah, by no means was the update / bug fixing as comprehensive as I was expecting / hoping it might be. A lot of work still to be done! I do think that the new prop physics are a positive step in the right direction at least.
I’ve occasionally had the freezing issues when closing the sim for a long old while now, so that not a new “addition” ha, same with the crashes when updating products from the content manager (although that hasn’t happened to me post-update. . . yet).
It’s certainly a mixed bag as usual and it seems some of the supposed fixes didn’t actually have any affect (as you mention). Worse still, SU8 has killed the sim for quite a few users once again. It’s a real shame that even the very foundational stuff still hasn’t been sorted yet. . .
Ah well, Sim Update 9 next. All the best!
Yep just a shame they don't fix having to reinstall when an update is done. They need to fix that.
Hi Kenneth,
You were part of the beta branch were you (I gather that’s where the reinstall comes into play)? I agree, that ideally needs fixing up, not least of all because it probably puts a lot of people off getting involved with the beta!
All the best! : )
I had to close the game after updating each thing in content manager lol
@@IntotheBlueSimulations No i just waited for download. Now i get BSOD when trying to reinstall MSFS
Oh right, gosh. It really does sound like updating MSFS continues to be a game of Russian roulette then.
I’m sorry hear you’ve fallen foul of the sims dodgy updating process etc. There really are no excuses - given that it’s a Microsoft program, running on Windows etc.
I do hope yourself / Asobo manages to get things sorted sooner rather than later.
All the best!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Thanks for reply. It was something Dodgy in update 8 that my Sophos antivirus didn't like, i've had to exclude Xbox and MSFS exe folders to temporary work round.
Don't know how you are so hopeful. It's like 2 steps forward 8 steps back with all the things they break.
Haha, well it’s rare that I’m essentially accused of being an optimist Vinod!
I agree that Asobo often have quite a scattergun and haphazard approach to these updates, often breaking about as much as they fix. I’m “hopeful” though, because here we actually got something that’s a core benefit to the sim (rather than a mediocre F-18 for example). Clearly the improved prop physics do broadly work and now can be used by 3rd party devs. Usually these sim updates have provided us with fairly superficial content, that wasn’t worth the resulting breakages. This one at least provided us with something that’s of tangible benefit; that gives me some hope that Asobo are still working on this as a sim and not just a game / money-making machine.
That’s my take on it anyway. . .
All the best! : )
Only a few native Asobo aircraft are using the new prop physics engine! The Bonanza Development project from Flightsim.to does use the new prop physics. Devs need to incorporate the physics into their aircraft code or it won't work. So third party Devs also need to patch their models?
Indeed David. I was a little bit surprised by that, but I guess it’s more of a “proof of concept” for now? As you say, the functionality is now there, so hopefully devs will patch their products accordingly (though I fear some will drag their heels about it and some may never even bother). I’d hope the quality prop addons (DC-6, JF Arrows, FI Spit etc) at least get the treatment they deserve.
I haven’t tried the most recent version of the Bonanza mod yet, but I used it a bit in the past and always enjoyed it. I shall have to take another look.
Cheers!