COVID Vaccine Myths, Questions, and Rumors with Rhonda Patrick and Roger Seheult
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- Dr. Patrick joins MedCram to discuss COVID 19 vaccines, spike protein, ivermectin, VAERS, breakthrough Infections, antibody dependent enhancement, fertility, delta variant, myocarditis, fluvoxamine, optimizing immunity, and more.
Dr. Rhonda Patrick is a cell biologist with a Ph.D. in biomedical science from the University of Tennessee Health Science Center and St. Jude Children's Research Hospital. Dr. Patrick is the Co-Founder of FoundMyFitness.com. Subscribe to Dr. Patrick's UA-cam channel here: ua-cam.com/users/FoundMyF...
Roger Seheult, MD is the co-founder and lead professor at www.medcram.com/?Y...
He is an Associate Professor at the University of California, Riverside School of Medicine and Assistant Professor at Loma Linda University School of Medicine.
Dr. Seheult is Quadruple Board Certified: Internal Medicine, Pulmonary Disease, Critical Care, and Sleep Medicine.
Interviewer: Kyle Allred, Physician Assistant, Producer, and Co-Founder of MedCram.com
This conversation was recorded September 9, 2021
Topics covered:
00:00:00 - Introducing Dr. Rhonda Patrick and Dr. Seheult
00:01:20 - Should young and healthy get vaccinated?
00:06:47 - Risk of myocarditis
00:10:40 - Long-haul COVID
00:19:58 - Is spike protein from vaccines dangerous?
00:35:39 - COVID-19 Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)
01:01:17 - Antibody dependent enhancement?
01:09:16 - Do COVID vaccines damage fertility?
01:14:13 - Will mRNA vaccines alter DNA?
01:22:32 - Are alternatives like ivermectin as effective as the vaccine?
01:42:02 - Do vaccines prevent Delta transmission?
01:56:04 - Will the virus become more deadly due to vaccines?
02:05:07 - T-cell immunity
02:08:34 - Long term side effects / were vaccines rushed?
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Please consider revisiting this conversation a year later!!
Thank the Lord for Dr Peter McCullough
They were pretty wrong
My 42 year old Son was admitted to hospital Feb/2021 for low oxygen, spent a week in ICU, tested negative for COVID, under went many tests. Two months later was put on life support, treated for pneumonia, negative covid, sent to cardiology for treatment and more testing. Aug/21 hospitalized, on ventilator for lack of oxygen, again treated for pneumonia, negative for covid. Upon release was denied oxygen for home for lack of affordability. He had received two Pyzer covid shots, one in Mar/21 and second May21. He passed away Dec21, told that autopsy didn't show covid
What about all the sudden deaths of athletes and young healthy people.
It has been a year. Would you consider creating an update on this discussion?
great info. but could you please explain why individuals with natural immunity still need to be vaccinated?
I experienced several AEs listed on the Pfizer documents (which a judge forced them to share). Whatever happened to informed consent? Had I known of the risks, I would not have gotten the shots. I was healthy, on no prescription meds prior to the shots. My guess is those who are v-injured are under reported because MDs are not reporting to VAERs and/or encouraged not to do so.
Whatever happened to "herd immunity" ? That's never discussed anymore.
I'd like to hear an update 1 year later on the scientific literature sited on this podcast
My father was diagnosed with stage 4 colon cancer in February of 2021, they immediately tried to push the jab on him, I explained it like I was talking to a child because dad has brain damage from a stroke, I talked him out of taking that shit all together and I guarantee if I hadn't dad wouldn't be alive still today, and they had also gave him 6 months to live
Hello! I am one of the few unfortunate people who has had serious adverse effects from the Moderna Covid vaccine. Most of them are neurological in nature now. Prior to the vaccine I had no health issues. I have been trying to get medical care for 10 weeks and the medical community just looks at me blankly. Can you direct me to any resources that could help?
Thank you for your video! I have a medical ethics question. Here in Australia I know that if I go to two doctors, I will get the same statement regarding the vaccine. This statement is written by the government. If the doctor feels differently to the statement, they're not allowed to voice it. If they were to, they face de-registration, fines and jail time. While the two doctors may agree with the statement initially, after the 8th booster, one of these doctors may have some concerns, yet still they wouldn't be able to raise these concerns. Thus I know that there's no possibility of obtaining a second opinion. So, what then is the point of the doctors expertise and experience?
I think it would be prudent for the two authors to set a podcast with the team from FLCCC - dr pierre Kory etc and discuss ivermectin - so bring it forward.
My understanding is that the CDC included partially vaccinated and those who are not 15 days out from second vaccine. So because partially vaccinated persons are included in the “unvaccinated” numbers we do not know how many are having a reaction to the vaccine?
Can you do a episode about adverse reactions/deaths due to the vaccine and if hospitals are reporting properly or at all to VAERS; or a debate with Dr's with differing opinions
What are your thoughts on natural immunity?
I would like to see an interview with Dr Seheult and Dr Robert Malone. Both of you have differing opinions on each of the topics covered in this video. And it would be good to hear both sides in one interview. It seems both of you are looking at the same data and reaching different conclusions.
What about Regeneron monoclonal antibodies? Dr. Razonable with Mayo recently published a study showing a 70% reduction in hospitalization when used early (within 5-7 days of infection). Very significant finding. Also, what about the Novavax vaccine? - many are interested in it because of its non human cell, more traditional technology approach. Please comment on both - Thanks for a great presentation!
I'm so very curious to see how well this aged.
I would love to see a debate between doctors/scientists who are pro-vax as a solution vs doctors/scientists who are pro-therapeutics as a treatment for the virus.
Doctors with varied insights and experiences should discuss the data, not just those who are likeminded. Is that allowed? And why has that not happened?
I wish you would of talked about monoclonal antibodies it should of been a big part of this discussion.
Fascinating discussion. Unless I missed it though, really missed the ball in not discussing natural immunity, especially with recent studies that have been released.
Would it be possible to do a video addressing the concerns of Geert Vanden Bossche? His predictions about the course this pandemic would take have so far been correct.
I just had covid last week and I beat it. I am 56 years old overweight and not vaccinated.
This discussion has not aged well.
So the young are being hospitalized with Delta, how many were vaccinated?
People are totally fixated on antibodies, but the plain fact is when the infection came around the first time, nobody had any antibodies! All of those people who defeated the virus and got better (or had asymptomatic infections) did it without any antibodies. Antibody production takes a few weeks minimum, and most people's Killer T-cells and other innate immunity components had already "killed" most of the virus before antibodies showed up. Antibodies are just another slice of the Swiss cheese that can prevent reinfection. But your activated memory T and B cells are the real long-lasting protection.
I was hoping you would talk about the studies you've heard/ seen with people who have natural immunity, having already had covid 19, will you be addressing this soon? 🤔🙏🏼 Thanks!
have you looked at any information from Geert Vander Boesh? Thoughts on his assertion that we have never started a vaccine program in midst of a pandemic? He has some frightening possibilities theorized. He is most certainly not anti-vaccine.
How long is the vaccine good for? Two weeks?
Is there any consideration for updating to include discussion of studies that refute much of what they discount as not possible?
THANK YOU SO MUCH! I don't have a degree in anything and there is so much conflicting information in the media. Thank you for not belittling people's fears and genuine concerns. The biggest obsticle is lack of trust in public institutions, adequate communication, and the politisization of the issue. I would mandate this video more than masks or the vaccine. Once ignorance is conquered the rest is easy.
Thanks so much for your kind feedback
This was a really good video answering almost all my questions in regards to possible reasons for not getting the vaccine yet. My only issue left is the long term effects of accumulation of continued vaccines and boosters. Can that be answered? Not like they are the same thing at all but using the analogy to describe my point...one cigarette, or one meal with glyphosate or one vaccine will not kill someone. However, an accumulation of the years of smoking, the countless meals with food sprayed with glyphosate have been shown to have detrimental effects on the body. Do we have anything to worry about with the accumulation of numerous vaccines and boosters to our system that is unnatural to the human condition for the majority of our evolutionary history?
Update please...now that we are seeing some fall out
Have these people stated their conflicts of interest before analysing the data?
Thank you for being sensitive and informative. My daughter was badly injured by Bexero. She lost her senior year of high school and her dreams of a high jump scholarship. Four years later, there are still repercussions. We are obviously hesitant and distrustful. People can be very cruel and thoughtless to people with vaccine injuries. She recently lost her dream job, because she wouldn't get a Covid shot.
Great info. The one thing they left out is how the shots stack up against natural immunity from infection and whether those already infected need the shot? It seems illogical to many and perpetuates suspicion that it's being pushed primarily for profit.
9 months later . . . Have the same discussion.
Dear Dr. Seheult and Medcram, thank you for keeping your professional integrity in your handling the issue of ivermectin. That's exactly it - we should not dismiss and ridicule a treatment. We need everything - vaccines, masks, vitamins, repurposed drugs. As a researcher myself, I am reassured to still find spaces of integrity and open-mindedness in this pandemic mess. Keep up the good work.
So why are so many young people getting myocarditis ?
Show me the “so many” in data.
Early in the video Dr. Seheult made an argument in the segment on death certificate listings saying stroke, heart attack etc. are caused by COVID and would not have otherwise occurred at the time (i.e. establishing of a causation relationship). Dr. Patrick seems to use the same argument inversely in the section on VAERS saying that these things (heart attack, stroke, etc.) happen independently of vaccination and account a large amount of deaths (which is one of the reasons why we cannot establish a "causation" relationship between vaccination and death). Is this argument used for vaccination deaths and not COVID deaths because the mechanism is known (and shown?) of how COVID causes events such as heart attack and stroke and not shown in the case of the vaccine? If so please provide references.
I do appreciate the hosts commentary that they want to give the people the information so that they can make a decision and that they are not for forced vaccinations. It would be great if we had handled it that way and given people the information and allowed them to make that informed decision from the beginning, instead of politicizing this... There is so much fear mongering and division that people don't even want to hear information from the other side.
How do you respond to the Cleveland Clinic study showing higher incidence of COVID-19 cases with higher number of COVID-19 vaccinations, i.e. the unvacinnated had the least number of cases. Do you believe this phenomena may be related to ADE from vaccinations?
Great discussion. However, on question of alternatives no mentioning of monoclonal antibody treatment and just a couple of minutes on how being healthy (diet, exercise, sleep, stress management, supplementation) can make significant difference in your chance of being hospitalized and dying from COVID-19, vaccinated or not. Also when discussed fertility they only discussed miscarriages. No word on how vaccines might affect your ability to get pregnant, especially long term (if we want to vaccinate children).
I would echo a previous question...How do the studies comparing previously infected Covid patients (unvaccinated) and those who are vaccinated, and the Delta infection course of illness/ hospitalization and mortality?
One of the questions should be if you would be willing to debate. Would you be willing to debate one or all of your explanations?
They are doing damage control!
What about elevated d-dimer results for people after vaccination... Is this a concern? I did not hear anything about d-dimer results mentioned in this video.
Does a gold standard Randomized Control Trial exist providing evidence for benefit vs risk of booster vaccine shot? If not, what is the rationale for demanding this level of evidence for other treatments but not the vaccine, in your opinion?
How about herd immunity ?
I just had Covid. Had the vaccine before that too. My question is even if you had the vaccine is the Covid still going into my different organs and parts of my body? I had Covid one month ago I still have half my head still feeling like it’s clogged, headaches, vertigo plus extremely still tired. Will this go away
There are side effects not reported
Appreciate you sharing your interpretation of the research. I have deep respect for all that you offer Rhonda but there is still a lot of things do not make sense including the shaming, bullying and coercing people to get the vaccine when they have natural immunity. Sometimes trusting your intuitive perspective is a personal choice that needs to be respected. The vaccine is new, you have received it, so I feel your perspective may be a little biased as well. I feel like there was plenty of questionable things that were downplayed in this episode as well. I look forward to learning more, thank you for all your important work.
Rarely (never) hear Doctors talk about the Cycle Threshold of the PCR test when discussing diagnosis of CV. Does the sensitivity of medical tests no longer matter?
Thank you so much, MedCram, for having this discussion with me! From early on, MedCram has been a beacon of insight that has followed the science wherever it may go. Right now there are many loud, strident voices when it comes to these topics and very few approach them with the thoughtfulness, patience, and humility that the topics deserve. I have a special appreciation for the role you've both played in empowering both the healthcare community and the public to become more informed and take a lot of inspiration from your work.
Such a big fan. Until next time... and thank you! ❤️
Rhonda
I would like information on how many more people have brain aneurysms after vaccination that have never gotten covid. Plus numbers of excess deaths.
Where is the data for the spike of injuries on patients who were vaccinated ? They get sent home and are told it’s in their head or it’s anxiety and suggested to go see a therapist .
Medcram is really explosive as far as dispersing evidence based medical knowledge.
As a practicing GP in a dark corner of the world called Iran, I incorporate the knowledge gained through the site, into my daily practice.
Thanks Dr Seheult for making me better doctor
Lots of vaccinated people in hospital here (Windsor Ontario) and 2 of 6 fully vaccinated are in ICU. With my second dose in June, had a headache (on and off) for over a month, still get it today but more rare. Normally don't get headaches.
I really, really want to know what Robert Malone would respond to your Spike protein explanation. It sounds to me the science is still out on that, which, is scary.
Last concern is why natural immunity research discussions and findings aren't on the table.
Talked about this a while ago
ua-cam.com/video/5RWGh19yTXw/v-deo.html
Do you 3 work for Pfizer?
Great discussion. Thank you for doing this. I would encourage you though to look more into the studies regarding early treatment with ivermectin. Cost benefit seems like a no-brainer to me.
My always healthy husband, 63, had his 2 Moderna shots, (I opted out) over a year ago. He has recently been diagnosed with Carotid Artery on both sides of his neck with recent surgery on the right with not one, but 2 stents! The left needs open up and clean out. He also has 3 masses in his right lung and is having a hard time breathing. The largest one measures as large as 10cm!
He's having a biopsy next week on his lung ...So he also has kidney stones, AND a mass on his bladder! I've always been against any vaccine that hasn't been tested for a decent length of time but also knowing it could save lives.
Everything all at once has progressed so fast...I'm besides myself with worry he won't be here much longer.
I didn't realize Ms. Patrick was a virologist.
I would be interested in hearing a discussion regarding covid infection autoantibodies, auto inflammatory responses, Hypersensitivity reactions 2-4.
I have a lot of respect for Rhonda Patrick. However her comment at 59 minutes that we would know if the vaccine was dangerous is quite frankly ignorant. Short-term it appears generally safe; long-term though unestablished. That's a more appropriate professional commentary.
Additional concern is how much can data from the companies making billions off vaccines be trusted?
Hope you read this comment. I am a young male who took the first shot, for period of 3 days I had frequent random sensations of being stabbed in the heart pain was very brief but very painful along with consistent rapid heart beats above 115 which is higher than my avg of 80. Is it fair that these symptoms can be seen as precursor to myocarditis if I get the 2nd shot? And if not can you provide some reassurance about what was happening to me. Because at the time doctors I visited didn't seem to know what to do. Not sure how to contact you privately to provide more detail hope this is enough
I’m 23 and had Covid. It is no joke, I can see how it can kill the elderly very quickly. I’m in great shape and got through it but I am just getting my peak performance back after 2 months.
Wish they would debate the doctors who are less trusting of the therapies
I am an Indian doctor. My experience was exactly the same as that of dr selehuet. Significant number of young patients in late 20's and early 30's died. Which is surprising because many of my old patients which were diabetic survived even though I expected them to die. I still don't understand Covid.
Although no one under 18 reported death from covid in my district with population of 500000
This didn't age well
Thanks for addressing some of the concerns people have a before taking the vaccine. Much better than saying 'just take the vaccine'!
Roger is it possible to give some information on the Vitamin D levels of patients hospitalised with Covid 19 please?
Can you please explain why we would want to change a child's immunity profile with a vaccination, when their own natural immunity works so well?
Natural immunity verses vaccine immunity? In the very long run which is better? I think the answer is very obvious. Natural immunity is always better.
Would appreciate a discussion on natural immunity as I haven't been vaccinated; had a mild case of Covid November of last year. Sitting on the fence about getting vaccinated. Thank you all for this education!
Outside the box thought: In January, very few young people where vaccinated, because the old had priority. We see a very low hospitalization rate. And as the vaccination numbers go up, so does hospitalization. had the vaccine worked, as they say it does, shouldnt that number had gone down? Just a thought.
It would be interesting to have a debate/conversation with experts who have different views.... :)
Excellent course for successful methods pertaining to the dissemination of disinformation.
What proof is there that VAERS data and CDC data isn't being manipulated? This is sincere concern to me.
This was amazing and I will be sharing. As a critical care fellow (and emergency medicine physician), I'm on the front lines. And I'm already familiar with Rhonda Patrick with her work on longevity, nutrition, etc. It was fascinating to hear these two giants give their take in a very methodical and evidence-based manner on an obviously important topic.
Thank you so much for your feedback and work on the frontlines
I love how everyone wants to say correlation does not equal causation for side effects and deaths from the vaccine but do not extend the same reasoning to covid itself
Thank you for the scientific information. I pretty much understand the mechanisms but I am still hesitant. I don’t do well with meds and shots and body chemistry manipulations except for natural Chinese medicine using plant extracts etc. My doctor uses kinesiology muscle testing to check bioavailability and dosing. He’s really good. If I need a traditional script he can test it as well. It’s foolproof for me at least. I go out of my way to eat clean and skip GMO food. The shot still scares me as a little “wild” and unnatural. If I could bring my doctor to test the concoction with kinesiology before getting the injection I may be more apt to taking it. Also the thought of multiple shots and boosters to keep loading up on all this tech is frightening. Why is no one on your side of the fence talking about prevention and prophylactic measures that will not harm and if one contracts the virus they can avoid hospitalization and death. What about Regeneron? It was good enough fir our president? We can get it here in Pitts but it is a secret as to where you can get it. You really are still on your own, vaccinated or unvaccinated.
What happened to the importance of vitamin D3?
Is it advised to get a physical before getting the pfizer vaccine? Also, is it possible that someone could have had covid-19 in 2017,2018 or even 2019 and had no idea it was actually covid?
Your Swiss cheese model at 1:20:16 doesn't include *Vitamin D!* Why exclude this _crucial_ defense?
We didn’t draw the picture and would have included many more “slices” including hydrotherapy, sleep, sunshine, etc. you get the point though.
I appreciate this interview. So many more questions to be answered. Thank you for expressing the need for individual freedom on receiving vaccines. There are hundreds of other highly educated, brilliant doctors and scientists here and around the world that have evidence and data that should also be absorbed.
Excellent. BTW, why is the needle not aspirated during injection to assure no vaccine gets into a blood vessel? This is a point that UK Dr. Campbell has touched on.
Because it's injected into muscle, to reduce the chance of that happening.
My CVS pharmacist shortly refused to aspirate when asked, and threw the needle in my shoulder like he was playing darts. I was frightened.
That's the responsibility of the person administering it and is only required when an intramuscular injection (drug or immunization) is given in the dorsogluteal region. For clinicians that routinely give IM injections (ie nurses) their technique may be such that the aspiration of 5-10 seconds is imperceptible to the patient. Also, its only happening when the injection is in your rear end so the you wouldn't likely see what's happening.
Thank you for all the helpful information you have provided over this last year- It has enabled me to support my family to be as healthy as possible. We have a question re the under reporting in VAERS. If reporting by medical professionals is mandatory, how come there is so much under- reporting? Are there no consequences for not reporting? I have been told it takes 30 mins to do one report- what busy hospital can do this? Some of my family do not trust the vaccines, so find the under- reporting something to consider as suspicious.
I can see that. Unfortunately there is no consequence and it is a fact of life that “sins of omission” are more common than “sins of commission”
Great info here. Last segment description says “long term side effects” . Although the speed it was developed and long term research was discussed, it didn’t touch on the concerns some have that there’s no long term data on side effects. Would love to see another video discussing side effects, and likelihood of seeing over time etc. Perhaps describing how it works, where it goes, and how long it stays in the system would be helpful to understand this and reassure some that there’s a very high probability any side effects occur after a very short period of time after administering. Some would like to wait several years to see what side effects there may be, so if that makes no sense based on the nature of this vax , it would be useful to share.
Medcram, you should interview dr. Robert Malone.
Rhonda isn’t too reassuring on spike proteins. “We don’t know if mrna vax spike proteins causes damage yet but there’s loads of animal studies showing damage from SARS spike proteins.”
Are there any discussions on this subject which interjects what the picture would look like if various treatments had not been outlawed (Yes, HCL, IVM, etc) but instead had been aggressively pursued as alternative treatments. I think there are examples of this in several instances such as India, South America, which should be analyzed along with this discussion in order to present an overall picture of the devistatating effects of suppressing such alternative treatments by “who knows WHO”, pharma, government, and the media at their behest. It might bring clarity to both sides of the argument rather than merely pointing fingers in all directions. Accountability might find a place in such a discussion as well.
Can you please discuss the problems with remdesivir and ventilators? Thank you.
This was very helpful but like some others have said -would be great to have doctors with different perspectives.
I respectfully ask if the hospitals are overwhelmed because of the number of medical personnel that chose to opt out of the mandate? So, there may not be enough nursing staff etc., to care for the Covid patients, so beds are limited.
4month old lecture already at my review of this video lecture...and already information coming to light is changing fast...could you please update...as think much of your comments are now mistaken and misleading for the public regarding Coronavirus...thanks
After hearing all this information it's up to each individual whether they want to decide to take a vaccine