7600X vs Wraith Stealth: How much does it suck?
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► TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Intro
1:41 Platform Price Comparison: 7600X Build is Expensive
2:31 The CPU Cooler Problem - Initial Corsair H150i Results
3:48 Wraith Stealth Testing
5:22 Wraith Spire Testing
6:57 BeQuiet Pure Rock 2 FX Testing
8:33 PBO2 voltage/frequency curve, Overall CPU Cooler Results
10:40 Back to the 7600X Review Proper
11:39 BENCHMARKS
12:50 Benchmarks Summary - Overall Results
14:27 Conclusion and Closing Thoughts
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Hey Everyone! Thanks for watching, and FYI I have now posted a video with complete benchmarks for all the recently-launched Ryzen 7000 and Intel 13th Gen CPUs -- watch here:
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I always appreciate a good bench of bunchmarks.
The bunchmarks are in the techbriefs.
And I thought I was hearing things wrong LOL,LOL
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😆 @ 10:40
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As long as your financial institution isn't wank of the best, an ironically fitting name.....
Thanks for testing Paul! 👍🏻
Will be interesting to see which one I will use for my next build.
Looking forward to the 13th gen testing :).
Great video Paul , and most excellent summarizationatory skills to pull together the various points that make up a purchasing decision. I also enjoyed making up the word summarizationatory.
I'm glad you added the air cooled benchmarks. Wish they were done in a case to see how the rising in case temps would affect the air cooled results.
great vid paul! Very in touch w/ the avg consumer, while also covering the new awesome tech. Thanks
this was actually really helpful, thanks bro!
The PBO warning got an actual outburst, it was fantastic. And thank you for testing coolers, something I was curious about.
It's certainly worth noting that these overclocking/max temp settings might not be included on all motherboards..
But its nice seeing these kinds of videos from you paul
Watching this reminded me of the 160lx review from Paul’s hardware great job Paul and team!
Very interesting video Paul! Thanks a bunch for all your work 😎
Gotta love generational IPC jumps. I noticed after you enabled pbo and showed the r20 results that 6 core was just below a 1st gen 16 core threadripper. Impressive.
That is wild
Even the 12600k is kinda embarrassed here, 4 extra cores for that difference is only showing the inefficiency of efficiency cores.
Which Intel will make you pay for in the future
ADL was to Trick Idiots into accepting a permanent devolution in methodology on an initial value proposition, Transparent. Then When everyone has been sold the LIE and equating e-cores to Real Cores “12600 is a 10 core” “13900 is 24 cores” then Intel will use the Consumers stupidity against them and Raise Pricing based on their PR BS Lies. And a 6 core i5 is £500 “ well it’s a 20 core for 500”
Its the three cylinder engine, Now manufacturers have a few pence chip to stop the engine vibrating itself to destruction, Why four became the minimum standard Half a century ago. Now they can sell you Less (Consider Garbage for 5-6 Decades) for the Same Price
This was really useful to see. I'd been thinking of going for Zen 4, but with air cooling for the simplicity of maintenance. When the reviews came out using 360 AIOs, I was concerned about performance with air cooling. Would be interesting to see the same testing with 7900X/7950X to see if they behave similar to the 7600X.
Loved the cooler comparisons
Fantastic
We want more about PB2 👍🌲🎉
Tks ! 🎉☀️
Exciting to see the performance differences with the cooler differences and tuning!
yeah, fuck all in gaming. Which is probably what you're buying a 7600x for...
Yes. I am using a be quiet! Pure Rock 2, so it's good to see these bunchmarks.
this is partly what people are not getting. anyone who doesn't want Zen 4 because of "heat" has no idea what Zen 4 is all about. Zen 4 is the most efficient architecture of all time in the DIY space, and it basically conforms to whatever you want it to .... from cool/light touch to speed demon.
Thanks for doing tests with air coolers. I was hoping my Noctua NHU12A would be able to work with the 7000 series. Glad to see it can probably at least handle the 105w chips.
Great testing! We need a Wraith Prism test now!
Thanks for this test!
Great video. I was liking how you were going up in quality of air coolers - was hoping to see the Noctua nh-d15 next - then you just blew my mind with those PBO results and now I don’t know which way is up. I need to research that more to see how that was possible. Are perpetual motion machines possible now too 😉
CPUs stock voltages are generally conservative, to ensure stability with low quality power supplies, VRMs, and also to improve yields, plus a bit of a safety buffer. For most people, -10 should be fine, with -15 or -20 being common. Seems to me they should bin CPUs better, and have more models, reserving better chips for X or K models, and lower quality to non X or K parts, allowing less conservative voltages for stock. Early chips probably more variance since later when non X or K chips are released, they have something to do with their lower quality chips. On the plus side, if you spend a few minutes setting undervolt, you can get less power draw, higher performance, or a mix of both. This is also true for GPUs.
A quick way to achieve lower temps if you don't care about max performance is go to your windows power plan, advanced, set max processor state to 95%. It isn't exact, likely it will downclock 10-15% or so, and possibly drop power in half. Undervolting much better though. I can't undervolt laptop, so have this set to reduce fan noise and increase battery life.
the review that we all needed. cheers Paul
Thanks for making this video Paul. I was wondering what the results would be.
Edit: After watching the video, you've reaffirmed for me that I should buy a 5800X3D instead of spending more on a new set up.
Yeah, maybe is not ideal but I'm using a 5800x3d in a $60 B450 motherboard and it works just fine, the idea was to buy a b550 or x570 later but now I honestly don't see a reason to do it.
@@AthosJosue I'm on a x470 board. I'd have to upgrade to a beta bios, but that's way cheaper than upgrading to Ryzen 7000 series.
I totally agree, I figure doing that will give me around 2 to 3 years before I'll need to upgrade and by that time, the 8000 series(or whatever the next gen is called) comes out.
@@AthosJosue are you using an AIO or an air cooler. I want to get that chip too but just worried about the heat it outputs and don't wanna spend extra for an AIO of I don't need to
@@AthosJosue I also have it in a B450 and it works fine. The only problem could be if there is a performance loss without PCI-E 4 with the next gen GPUs, but I don't think it will be much.
The PBO2 tweek is great stuff! Thanks Paul (& Optimum Tech) 👍
Great video Paul. Would of loved to seen Wraith Prism RGB results also included.
That would be comparable with the Wraith Spire cooler, or between that and the Wraith Stealth.
@@TheRealSkeletor the Prism is the R7 cooler, I highly doubt it would be worse than a cooler designed to cool R5's
The wraith prism woulda been nice to test. Its the best box cooler they offered and is pretty easy to find around $20
Considering how the spire performed, I think it'd work fine.
Not that great .
I had one on a ryzen 2600 65watt tdp .
Its still go up to 70 celcius.
@@dyslectische what are u expect? not even single heat pipe
@@dyslectische 70 degrees? That's a great temperature! Anything under 90 is a success
@@GewelReal 95 is the designed operating temperature...
Thanks for the video Paul. I've got a Crosshair Extreme and a 7900x sitting downstairs. Was gonna build today but figured not building during a potential hurricane was probably the smartest idea. The performance boost from PBO this time around combined with the lower temps is damned impressive.
Zen 4 is actually efficient
@@chriswright8074 It really is. The temperatures and how the architecture works is just something different from AM4. Seeing most people get a 20-30c drop in temperatures with a -10 PBO Offset is impressive.
I really love the way you make videos.. and share your ideas.
Always enjoy waking up and checking out your videos on a weekend Paul! It's plain to see the effort you have been putting into your scripts for the news section and all your testing for videos like these :)
Love this very helpful video. Thanks!!
this is helpful -- a customer had a wraith prism they wanted to use but weren't sure it'd be good enough to cool their 7700x. glad me saying "yes" was accurate :P
Excellent comparison video!
Excellent video Paul
I was going to mention Ali's video when I was watching this, and then you went ahead and read my mind. Thanks, Paul.
$300 for a 7600x. Plus cooler. Glad I just upgraded to a 5800X3D for $375. No cooler, but I had one sitting around that could handle the wattage. And boy is that sucker fast.
That's the move my guy. I want a 5800X3D more than a new 7600X set up now.
5800x3d with curve optimizer runs super cool and is easily cooled by my single tower noctua.
@@weasle2904 I’m actually running my old phenom x6 am3 cooler (the heavy one with the heat pipes) with a 3d printed 80mm->120mm fan adapter. 33c idle, 76c load. I’ve not had time to play with all the knobs and buttons, I might not have all of them since I’m running it on my asus x370 pro board with the latest bios. I’m going to dig in deeper when I get home from work…
Glad to see that it’s possible to use an air cooler for these new chips.
It's more than possible since underclocking is easy, can halve wattage and lose only a few percent of MT performances. These chips are actually cool and efficient, they're just maxxed by default.
I just wanted to say thank you for this video Paul. Really informative and well thought out. I’ve been an intel guy all my life and currently running an old I 7 7700 K I’m doing an upgrade it’s been too long and this AMD information is really useful thanks again buddy.
With respect, Robert, he doesn’t need your thanks. That’s not why he’s making videos.
@@byteme0000 manners cost nothing either !
i7 7700k still decent cpu,but yeah this is the perfect time for you to upgrade,you kept that cpu for 5years,no need to upgrade every 2years
good benchmarks! Surprised you didnt try a Wraith Prizm.
Great video! I hope you do the same with the 7950X. Especially with curve optimizer enabled I suspect you can get away with a better air cooler like the Dark Rock Pro 4 without losing much performance. And what if you configure your system for silent operation, how much performance do you leave on the table?
That was interesting to watch
I would have liked to have seen PBO undervolting with the stock cooler lol
What a great video, Paul!
Paul coming in hot on a late Friday night :) Just in time for the cool-down viewing after whiskey and Prodeus with pals!
Glad you actually compare platform costs. So many outlets miss this critical point. I'm waiting on Meteor Lake before moving from my 4790k to a DDR5 based platform. Hopefully prices come down a bit by then. If not I can wait. My CPU still does all I need of it.
Agreed, intel 14th gen should be more interesting and DDR5 will have matured by then, hopefully AMD 8000 will also be very competitive. My 4770 still does everything I need it to.
@@-opus in some rumors it looks like AMD will double the core count in the 8000 series. If this is true, then also 14900k must really delyver a big upgrade, so 14900k or 8950x should be a way bigger jump than what 13900k or 7950x are right now. Waiting will safe money and bring much more value.
@@iliaskapatos The problem with that logic is that Intel is technologically ahead. AMD will deliver their 8000 series processors and Intel will overshadow them with 15'th gen. It will be the exact same scenario like it is today. 7000 series looks good, but Intel already took all the hype with its ''leaked'' benchmarks and people already know that it will be better.
@@REgamesplayer people allready know 13900k will be cheaper and really good, but I don't think it will also be better for my usecase what is videoediting in 8K-RAW 60. And if like rumored AMD 8000 series will double the core count, I doubt if Intel can hold on, unless if they will also increase again the cores. I just say that the step to the next generation will most probably be bigger than the step we see right now, and if someone can wait 1 year, it is better to update then. And I also think people allready know that AMD 7000 with 3D cache will beat 13900k and the normal 7000 series in gaming, so a gamer should wait anyway.
DDR5 is a meme right now. The ultra high end is barely any better than an easily tuned DDR4 b-die.
Great content pal. Love your humour
Hey Paul, please try eco mode and run benchmarks. I've watched a few videos showing a slight performance loss but the CPU locking itself to 65/125W power limit. Would love to know your thoughts!
The negative offset is a great thing. I did a -30 to my 5600x after watching Optimum Tech video back when he did it for the 5000 series CPUs and it has been running great running at 4.6ghz at only about 1.18 to 1.2 volts.
in what cpu power did that result? i bought an extremely cheap mobo + 5600g set used and plan to pbo and co.
And this is why I enjoy your videos. You seem to be more based in the real world than some others.
Thank you Paul for this super useful video!! In a nutshell, whoever upgrades right know is a nut without the shell...
I was kinda expecting Curve Optimizer to have a quite noticable Impact with zen4. Even on Zen3 you could already massively drop temps and powerdraw while simultaniously increasing the CPUs performance by using the curve Optimizer with a negative Offset, so its nice to see that this is still the case with Zen4, this eliviates quite a bit of the issues I saw with most of the reviews in terms of the temps and powerdraw of Zen4 and I guess if you invest even more time to finetune the Voltages it will get even better.
This video is exactly what I was looking for👌
At the moment the value proposition just isn't there for the new Ryzen 7600X. Glad you show the platform cost comparison. And PBO tuning is a must to get things under control with this ryzen 7000 series
Was wondering if you're going to include OW2 as another benchmark once it's completely out in the coming week. You were pretty much the only channel I was consistently able to compare hardware on for the original game.
You should do bar graphs with the platform/system price and value instead of just a chart too, not just the bar graphs of CPU prices only. Those on the same image as the performance numbers really do a good job comparing the components' values.
great testing, I was wondering how cooler choice affects these CPUs considering how aggressively AMD is pushing the thermal limits.
04:42 That's not how it works. Dropping the frequency to keep the temperature at or below 95C automatically drops power usage.
Appreciate the data comparing coolers. PBO2 is nice and all but I am seeing anecdotes that CB23 will pass but other things like Prime95 or some video encoding AVX task may crash. Basically CB23 is not a good validator of OC or Undervolt stability
The wraith stealth along with lowering the voltage and lowering the power limit to like 65W would be neat to see
just buy 5 series
@@fluphybunny930 I might do just that. In a month or two when intel 13 and the cheaper AM5 boards launch I am going to look at everything available, new and old, to see what I will want.
Who knows, even though I am not planning to get one maybe AMD will release a decent GPU to tempt me too. GPUs have been not great or terrible for years now so I don't expect anything worth while to come out.
People looking to spend hundreds of dollars for a cpu, could certainly spare at least $30 for an aftermarket cooler.
@@unholydonuts Probably, but I think it's good to be aware of it. It's all added cost.
P'sH is best & most chilled out UA-cam PC tech & news channel on the platform.
Optimum tech is a great channel, glad you seen his video. Dude builds some the best ITX PCs on youtube, and his overclocking guides are great.
Definitely one of the better tech channels that I follow.
Hello Paul,
is it possible to test just the IGPU capability of those new ryzen 7700x and 7950x. This in regards also to the memory you are using.
Would be nice to see how the memory speed and timings scale regards to IGPU and overall pc performance. Also as the chip runs in stock mostly hot, it would be nice to see the so called "eco mode" in action in those tests (105W and 65W) either by BIOS settings directly or the ryzen master configuration . Where is the sweetspot for power efficiency and performance.
Regards,
A
This video is actually helpful
Micro Center is running a promo which is a free kit of 2x8 (16GB) DDR5 with the purchase of any Zen 4 CPU and motherboard.
If you live near one it saves about $180-210 (depending on the kit you choose) and an additional $20 off for the combo.
That puts it right in line with the 12600K + mobo + RAM pricing, assuming you don't have suitable RAM for either platform (i.e. 3200+ DDR4 or 5600+ DDR5).
such a grand bench of bunchmarks Paul. Ty for all your work! the PBO negative offset is def impressive! I wonder if the Vetroo budget air cooler will work for the 7600x/7700x? It's regularly 29-32 bucks and handled the 5600x and 5800x easily.
It uses the standard AMD back plate, so it should be compatible.
Nice test!
This is exactly what we want to see 🤙🏻
The pbo under volt is a great idea. I'm testing a 5900x in a Asus GA15 pre built PC with the air cooler that it shipped with. My temps keep hitting 90c and it is very loud. This PC a threw together for a friend and we can't upgrade the case or CPU cooler. I'll rest out the pbo under volt later this morning. Hope it can keep the temps and the noise down.
Bummer, I was hoping you'd test the Wraith Prism. As it seems like a pretty good freebie that I already have.
I bought the 7950x and will be putting it in a 1U server with the noctua L9x65 with the 7950x in eco mode.
There are always exceptions to absolute statements, including the one i just said, but yes, for most people, you'll get much better performance from a good cooler, but if you need *the speciffic CPU you're looking at* you can make it work, though generally adding more cores, can offset the performance loss by underclocking in many use cases outside of gaming.
9:05 "From there you need to accept that you're probably going to blow up your computer" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Only thing I would've liked to see if the 360 rad with pbo, but good video.
G'day Paul & Joe,
After the release videos this is the content I have been excited to see, so CPU Cooler choice not having the dire results of "Destroying Gaming Performance!" that some people were claiming in comments with even the AMD Coolers still providing adequate performance in SotTR.
Production Performance was a different story but when have people building for that purpose been skimping for $ & c on a Cooler for that purpose when you would not be aiming for an R5 but an R9 which really needed an aftermarket cooler for 3000 & didn't come with a cooler for 5000 anyway.
I use my R9 3900X for Video Editing & Transcoding as a hobby, I was having thoughts of upgrading to 5900X due to price drops for 7000 relese but after seeing the results I'll be putting off my upgrade & just saving for 7900X & B660 & DDR5 next year, then my 3900X will just migrate to be my Gaming PC & my R5 1400 can go to my Testbench.
curious how it would do for a 5700x, would prob be fine with pbo disabled or limiting cores to say max 4.0-4.2
With some of the next videos, could you test the ECO mode?
Veetro V5 cooler + Thermaltake ToughFan12 together for a Push/Pull fan configuration should be more than enough for a 7600X. I use that same setup on my Ryzen 7 3700X.
Be interesting to see more games tested on the stealth.
Good content, can you do the same air cooling 7950x?
Selling off old equipment from a totally new platform is a good way of recouping that cost difference.
Need to know a lot more about the undervolting possible with zen 4 before deciding
Thanks for making this video Paul. Cant wait to build my new pc with the 7600x and b650 motherboards when they release soon!!!!!
Such a Great job! Very informative. It demonstrates that we can afford a new platform trying not to kill home economy...
As far a I know the 7700x will be the best option if u still want stay with the Reds. Although if you don't have enough money and have a AM4 sistem going to a 5800x3d will be soooo interesting.
2:00 if you're doing a 12600, why spring for a z690 rather than a b660? That's a significant price jump for a motherboard, when you could do even a 12700 with a lower motherboard at that price point, or just have a lower overall cost.
Finally someone is doing the real work about the new chips we all NEEDED to see.
Paul's fingering on the screen 🤣. Classic and to the point. Great video thanks. 🙏
It would have been nice to see the curve optimiser combined with the wraith spire to gauge where the entry level cooler requirements are for the 7600X and 7700X.
While red is the danger colour, for these 7000 series chips we shouldn't be concerned with them hitting 95°C and HWinfo should be updated to reflect this given 95°C is the stated 24/7 ok temp from AMD, it should only be hitting red after 95°C not at 90°C.
Given that the be quiet Pure Rock 2 is a middling (lower RPM quiet fan) 120mm single fan 4 pipe tower cooler and did quite well, then it can be concluded than any 120mm 4 pipe tower cooler would be sufficient for anyone looking at cheaper cooling options.
thanks for the great comparison video Paul! those bench of bunchmarks were in perfect bite size morsels.
I look forward to more of your time being locked in your office working hard on telling us just how crazy tech is getting each season. thank goodness the pandemic made getting delivery much easier.
just remember to put the do not disturb sign on the door in the coming months.
1600 was my first desktop CPU and it came with the Spire with the copper slug, I upgraded to a 2700X and it came with the Prism, not the spire
Some sweet deals on 5000 series right now, may want to consider snagging a new chip and Ebaying old one, since they finally added support to X370 motherboards (BIOS update required).
Get a 5600X or 5800X and sell your 2700X to offset the cost. Start looking now into the holiday's.
Feel like this is the most interested I've ever been in delidding of a cpu. Saw another channel delid these and see significant thermal and power decreases with increased frequency.
Der8auer is the channel you trying to remember
Might be interesting to see what you can get out of the wraith stealth with pbo2 undervolt etc to see if you can turn the sows ear into a silk purse on the cheap
I'm currently waiting for NZXT to provide the AM5 bracket for the Z73 AIO and was thinking of using the 5600x's standard cooler so i can sell the 5600x+b550 setup and not have to wait for the bracket to use the X670E setup 😅
Great video. Did you also test how would it perform with a spire cooler with PBO2 optimization? Considering it's the best power and temperature reduction, could that be the best case scenario for keeping platform cost reduction after cheaper B650 boards come out?
The difference isn't that massive, if you don't mind dropping 100 MHz in synthetic loads, a cheap cooler wouldn't hurt with the 6 core. The 7950X on the other hand needs 150-175W for optimal performance, there you need a big air cooler or an aio.
I wonder if we can get a temp test using an AS500 Plus from DeepCool. I recall that single-tower dual fan cooler was good enough to rival an NH-D15 when used on a 5950X.
Paul, can you put the wraith stealth cooler back on the bench, and do the oc thingy to it..........be interesting to see how it performs
Hey Paul. I watch content from many the major hardware tech UA-camrs, but you're the only one whose videos I consistently watch all the way through. You're well spoken, humorous and always extremely educational. Thank you for all you for all you do.
Stealth was a no go for my old 2600 overclocked, got a prism from a buddy for free and it helped a ton
Paul, a question if I may? Is Air cooling a no no with AMD'S new CPU's ? (Can you do at some point, a cooling video for the new platform)
This is the kind of testing that makes this generation of CPUs from AMD so interesting. Nice job Paul!
Always interesting to see how the older wraith cooler performs on the newer generation. Sucks that AMD doesn't include their wraith coolers on their newer GPUs
Can you try the best Stock cooler AMD has given with the 3800x : the Wraith Prism RGB???
waiting on some more X670 motherboard options (looking for the MSI Unify) before I buy my 7900x
Paul I hope you are doing good my friend!
I plan to use a 240 AIO with my 7700x when I build next week. I feel like this will be fine but idk
Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE is a banging deal for around $35 from Amazon.