ExplainingComputers It’s definitely the Channels Theme-tune,very,very distinctive.Always get a weird tv-‘open university’ 1980’s vibe from it! Top notch.
it's PERFECT that it don't have Wifi/bluetooth . :) Use only Cables, for security +privacy reasons . Research how wifi is used by big Companies or governments to spy on inocent people.
I have no intention of buying an ODroid, this was still one of the most awesome videos ever. I very much enjoyed the part where the faster processor ran the operations faster. It has been speculated that faster data processors do in fact process data faster. Great to see it play out in the real world.
All joking aside, it is cool how small and fast our computers have become. I bought the VIM4 a few months back and I was surprised it could run like 5 Docker containers just fine and stayed under 50 degrees with a nice cooling setup.
it's PERFECT that it don't have Wifi/bluetooth . :) Use only Cables, for security +privacy reasons . Research how wifi is used by big Companies or governments to spy on inocent people.
A great indepth review there Christopher, seems a very capable board. A tad expensive for what you get (and don't get) but still, it adds to the every growing SBC pool , which is not a bad thing. Thank you again for your work Christopher..... you are required viewing...
@@ExplainingComputers No worries! I use an extention called vid IQ and noticed something very rare not seen in most content creators, your engagement rate is incredible, keep up the good work :D
it's PERFECT that it don't have Wifi/bluetooth . :) Use only Cables, for security +privacy reasons . Research how wifi is used by big Companies or governments to spy on inocent people.
@@ExplainingComputers A new Intro Music ua-cam.com/video/j1qTCMwLQKk/v-deo.html I know you've been there before, but maybe you will like my take on it. I had fun making it. @corbett coburn Sorry for hijacking your thread, but for some reason my comment I posted yesterday does not show up.
@@RadicDotkey Thanks for this, and very nicely done. But it loses the "Explaining . . . Computers . . . Dot . . . Com" part of the tune :) And I've no plans to change the intro and ending at the moment.
Hi Christopher. I'm so bussy making video's that I forgot to watch yours. Nice to see this video. I love my N2+, but I barely use it. M4V2 still is my main SBC, and then I always have a 2nd SBC for research. Like now RockPiX. Too many boards, and not enough brains and hands to use them all at once :) The Odroid N2 and N2+ have the same hardware, so no need for different images. Tho it is up to the software provider to have the correct settings for the N2+ to be able to run it at its higher clockspeed. There is also a problem in benchmarking SBCs with different sized clusters like the N2 vs N2+. To make a very long story short, most benchmark tools expect all cores to be equal. While at ARM SBCs this often isn't the case. No problem with quad-cores. But here the difference in perfornance between clusters change. You can do the same test on one core. For example with sysbench it would be (sudo taskset -c 0 sysbench...) to do the test on core 0. Then taskset -c 5 to do the same on a big core. Or test clusters together (sudo taskset -c 0-1) for the 2 small cores and (sudo taskset -c 2-5) for the big cores. It is because x86 never used unequal cores. So not much software is adjusted for this. I often use this for better optimisation. With blender this isn't a problem since it gives a task to a core, the core just needs to finish that task. Some cores do it slower than others, but they all work at 100%. Have a great day. Greetings. NicoD
Hi Nico, and thanks for this. I got very frustrated with the N2+ at first, until I realized that you have to run the updater on the Hardkernel Ubuntu MATE image to made it run at the higher clock speeds. They really could try harder to support their own products.
it's PERFECT that it don't have Wifi/bluetooth . :) Use only Cables, for security +privacy reasons . Research how wifi is used by big Companies or governments to spy on inocent people.
Just to show you I paid very close attention to you as usual, Dr. Barnatt, I couldn't help but notice you saying at 9:00 that the Odroid N2+ has "a very nice blue LED flashing a heartbeat". Well, we've both had our say in the past about these nefarious sleeping-robbing blue LEDs, so I won't belabor the point again. But I do insist as usual that these little swine are not "nice", as you repeatedly assert at every possible opportunity. Nevertheless, thank you once again for a very fine video. Nobody else covers the gamut of single-board computers as well as you do!
it's PERFECT that it don't have Wifi/bluetooth . :) Use only Cables, for security +privacy reasons . Research how wifi is used by big Companies or governments to spy on inocent people.
Greetings from near Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA. Another super video -- thank you for all your hard work. Prof Barnatt's influence here 'across the pond' is perhaps more than one might think. For example, all we have to say to a hard-to-open jar of something is, "Open up you swine!" Magically, the lid seems to almost unscrew itself. It works! So .... there we are. :)
Great unboxing and review!!! Please, launch some merch line: T-shirts, mugs, thumb drives, SD's with preinstalled distros, whatever. I would be glad to support your great work!!!
I like it that you call it a mini-computer. Historically mini-computers were the size of a cupboard (like the DEC PDP series) while micro computers are plate sized (like the Spectrum). So SBCs should be "nano computers".
Im extremely tempted to try to get my hands on one of these. Ive been attempting for a long time to use an SBC as a personal travel computer as I travel for work and have to carry a company laptop. Compared to a rasberry pi, it almost seems like a no brainer. Then i force myself to remember: no built in wifi
I thought that was subtitle when I saw 대한민국 written on the middle of the board. Korea... that is my country. I feel really sorry for hardkernel, for not knowing that they produce some really nice sbcs. Thank you hardkernel for proudly putting our country's name on their works.
it's PERFECT that it don't have Wifi/bluetooth . :) Use only Cables, for security +privacy reasons . Research how wifi is used by big Companies or governments to spy on inocent people.
it's PERFECT that it don't have Wifi/bluetooth . :) Use only Cables, for security +privacy reasons . Research how wifi is used by big Companies or governments to spy on inocent people.
While everyone's talking about the Pi4 as a desktop replacement, the Odroid looks like a much better candidate. It handles You Tube videos better, and has more (all) USB 3 ports. It also has it's major connectors on on the front and back so you don't have to deal with SBC octopus cable management (cables sticking out on all sides.) Haven't found a manual for it (conspicuously absent when unboxed.) Too bad about the WiFi/Bluetooth, but that can be fixed with a dongle. It has the same shortcomings as the Pi4 when it comes to mass storage, so you'll probably end up with an external SDD plugged into a USB port. Not ideal, but perhaps worthwhile to get the power of this board.
it's PERFECT that it don't have Wifi/bluetooth . :) Use only Cables, for security +privacy reasons . Research how wifi is used by big Companies or governments to spy on inocent people.
For a possible SBC Mini Entertainment system, not having a Bluetooth & Wifi capabilities is really odd to me (especially considering that smaller form-factor SBC like Raspberry Pi or Rock Pi both have it).
Nice, I wanted to get an Odroid N2 when it came out but I forgot... Now I'm plus tempted. Say, ever considered to try Armbian along (or perhaps instead of) maker-provided distros? Armbian's usually MUCH better crafted
it's PERFECT that it don't have Wifi/bluetooth . :) Use only Cables, for security +privacy reasons . Research how wifi is used by big Companies or governments to spy on inocent people.
Excellent OS samples, as usual. I wonder if you could do a comparison of the gpio functionality of these boards? Possibly pick three or four SBC's to compare on a single project (for a robot, or sensors,... ). Thanks for another great video Chris.
tested sysbench on a Ryzen 5 3400G (variable cpu speeds from 3.1 to 4.2) with Mint... I was not amused,... got worse reusults (I guess) then ExC had with this Odroids... same command, just changed threads from 6 to 8... totaltime was: 30 events (avg/stddev): 1250 / 46.08 execution time (avg/stddev): 30.0316/0.00 perhaps I read the results wrong... I do not know not so happy.... about the numbers but PC seems to work great otherwhise... but if one compare the price ~400 dollars for this setup to the odroid thing.... :-(
it's PERFECT that it don't have Wifi/bluetooth . :) Use only Cables, for security +privacy reasons . Research how wifi is used by big Companies or governments to spy on inocent people.
I like your style of speaking; reminds me of David Attenborough. I could listen to that voice all day. Anyway, nice video about Odroid N2+. I'm very interested in mini PCs; I have refurbished old laptops / SFF PCs, and installed SSDs w/Linux Mint for family and friends that only use them for internet browsing, email and light office work.
Why don't any of these SBCs have built in POE. Most that have a POE add on board, won't fit in many of the better cases with the POE board mounted. Very annoying.
it's PERFECT that it don't have Wifi/bluetooth . :) Use only Cables, for security +privacy reasons . Research how wifi is used by big Companies or governments to spy on inocent people.
Hmm. The ethernet ports on the 'N2 versus 'N2+ have different stickers on them. One says 4G, while the other says 2G. Are these part numbers or something, used wherever they're being assembled, maybe? I wouldn't think it's something to do with how fast the ethernet ports are, considering I haven't heard about any new changes in the ethernet connection standard that didn't involve processing chip and firmware changes only.
It would be interesting to see box86 (an OpenSource Linux Userspace x86 Emulator) running Wine on the Odroid N2+ with some older Windows games or Cinebench R11.5 to see how the x86 emulation performs on the Odroid N2+. I am not sure if the Odroid N2+ supports OpenGL (not ES), which is needed for Wine to emulate DirectX but if the official driver doesn't support it, it should still be possible with the Mesa Panfrost driver.
Greetings! Another relevant presentation in the happy world of SBC: thank you very much! You will notice the full form of our favourite YT teacher, with lines that make Monty Python members green jealous! In closing: DietPi is a constant source of joy and digital satisfaction: to be tested on your computer as a matter of urgency!
Hi Chris, Thanks very much for your ever so informative info. My Space Time Continuum is now eating a piece of toast and Marmalade before challenging the Japan Railway System. Cheers Good Sir!
Odroid C4 at least has the heat-sink on top of the board. Don't understand a heat-sink underneath on the N2[+]. Heat rises so it'll be putting a fair amount of it back into the device and that will be exponential as temperatures increase. Fan mounts underneath seem just as ill-conceived. I suppose one could easily run it up-side-down if the GPIO pins are not being used - or even on its side - then a mounted fan would make sense. Otherwise it's going to be a DIY job.
Mr Barnatt, would you please make a video to review the ODROID-M1, perhaps comparing it with the Pi 4, and the other Odroids you have already reviewed? The specs seem impressive, but my knowledge about SBCs, and computers in general, are limited.
Christopher, wonderful as usual. I would love to know your thoughts on another area you are expert on; Your prediction for the short and long term effect of this pandemic. I would value your insight here more than anyone I can think of. I'm also sure it is something you will have given some serious thought. I have not checked your other channel for a while but don't think I've had any notifications for quite a while. I am sure many others would like to hear what you think too. Sorry to drop a non computer question on you here in Explaining computers.
Regarding the lack of WF and BT, they probably figured that you would just use one of those 4 USB ports for dongles. WF dongles are cheap as heck right now. Same pretty much for BT 5 dongles.
Christopher, may I ask - if you had to put the money down right now - what would be the best (and hopefully cheapest whilst remaining useful) SBC to run RiscOS Direct? Got my Birthday coming up and I'm trying to get my Dad to buy me something. I'm a programmer by trade and inclination, and considering the recent NVidia/ARM business, it seems like a good time to roll up my sleeves and get into ARM programming! Or, is it even possible perhaps, to emulate a Raspberry and run RiscOS that way, say through Qemu? Maybe you could do a show on that! Thank you for your advice and of course, your great video as usual!
Hello there! Thanks for another great video! I was thinking about overclocking my Odroid to 2,4 gHz. Do you recommend buying a fan for overclocking purposes or will the passive cooling suffice? Regards!
It is disappointing that there is now WiFi or Bluetooth. Although I have ethernet capability locally, it would affect what I would purchase because I have to keep certain projects mobile. It still looks like a solid system. Thank you for the video
Interesting little SBC. I have bought several Odroid-Go handheld retro games. And they have always been reliable. I may have to give the N2+ a closer look. :)
It is almost perfect. The issues from my perspective: Lack of reset and power on button, that can be used to either start or shutdown, or power off (just like on ATX x86 boards), with option to make it power on after power loss without pressing power on. GPU drivers are still not as good as they could be, especially Vulkan. And the last issue, lack of net boot via DHCP/BOOTP/TFTP without any MMC/SD on board.
I really like odroid products and software support. Only bad thing is availability and requirement for express shipping, which adds taxes and bumps them to 3x listing price here in Brazil.
Love all your SBC videos. I'm thinking of trying to do a SBC NAS with several RAID drives. Is this a silly idea? What SBC could handle several physical disks (SSDs for instance). Thanks
Video length is always a tricky issue, and some of my most popular videos in 2020 have been the long ones! But I year you. Next week's video is back to 12+ mins, which seems to be an optimal length.
4:52 I see one more difference: the left one has two chips right next to the battery where the right one has the sticker. the right one doesn't. what are those?
Wish you had taken off the heat sink and shown whats on the other side of the PCB. In particular im curious if all components were selected to have the same level or if the heat sink was machined to accommodate.
I just released Retro Arena for this board last night. I used the N2 Ubuntu 18 and back ported the kernel to have the max clock speeds available. It also has a working Kodi, which Ubuntu 20 seems to not like.
Odroid N2+ can use with external Bluetooth adapter and WIFI adapter and what are possibility can use raspbx image with Odroid N2+ . Most of we use SBC for PBX system for voip . Still raspberry PI3 B+ is most useful SBC . please let me know what are the other SBC can use for PBX Thanks
Perhaps a minor issue, but it would have been nice if there was a hole to pass the two-pin fan wires through to the fan on the other side. Wrapping the wire around the outside seems like it would be a little janky.
@@RafaCoringaProducoes Im not interest in they opinion I want C E. His hold MORE weight in MY Eyes. It clear YOU did not read my comment at all, that what I stated.
😂 Hurry... out of the way plastic case bits!!! Let me at that electrochemically etched circuit board and its thingemy wodgets... quickly... quickly!!! Love your work Sir 👍
I guess the change to sysbench was so that instead of either time or events option implicitly taking priority, it's now whichever comes 1st, so to have events take priority time needs to be infinite.
It would be interesting to see if you could set up these single board computers into a video rendering farm but does the free version of davinci resolve support this?
Only 95% sure, but I believe you need the studio version. All the "how-to" information I've seen out there on setting up a render farm with Resolve uses the studio version.
The question is would you call a mother board sized motherboard an SBC? To properly run it, you need: 1. Power Supply - 12V, can't be powered by a mobile battery 2. UPS - to ensure power outages doesn't turn off the computer immediately 3. Monitors 4. Speakers 5. Mouse and Keyboard
I would call any motherboard, regardless of size, an SBC it is contains an integrated processor and SBC. To "run" most motherboards, RAM and a processor need to be slotted in -- this is not the case with an SBC.
Still rocking that intro that I so distinctively remember from that video from 2014, Great review!
Awesome, thank you!
@@ExplainingComputers I love it!
ExplainingComputers It’s definitely the Channels Theme-tune,very,very distinctive.Always get a weird tv-‘open university’ 1980’s vibe from it! Top notch.
@@Doobie3010 yep
it's PERFECT that it don't have Wifi/bluetooth . :)
Use only Cables, for security +privacy reasons .
Research how wifi is used by big Companies or governments to spy on inocent people.
I have no intention of buying an ODroid, this was still one of the most awesome videos ever. I very much enjoyed the part where the faster processor ran the operations faster. It has been speculated that faster data processors do in fact process data faster. Great to see it play out in the real world.
haaha
All joking aside, it is cool how small and fast our computers have become. I bought the VIM4 a few months back and I was surprised it could run like 5 Docker containers just fine and stayed under 50 degrees with a nice cooling setup.
Thanks for maintaining the stability of the space-time continuum!
I always feel that is important.
I'm growing to like these boards since watching your videos I might consider this to be my next PC, it's nice to have options. 😄
it's PERFECT that it don't have Wifi/bluetooth . :)
Use only Cables, for security +privacy reasons .
Research how wifi is used by big Companies or governments to spy on inocent people.
A great indepth review there Christopher, seems a very capable board. A tad expensive for what you get (and don't get) but still, it adds to the every growing SBC pool , which is not a bad thing.
Thank you again for your work Christopher..... you are required viewing...
Thanks for keeping us up to date with all the newest products
youtube channels like this keep my hobby for tech alive, you explain things so well and everything is very organized, thank you man
Thanks for watching!
@@ExplainingComputers No worries! I use an extention called vid IQ and noticed something very rare not seen in most content creators, your engagement rate is incredible, keep up the good work :D
@@dylancoulbeck7483 Glad you noticed! :)
Another fantastic video. You inspired us to feature it in this weeks edition of the Electromaker Show!
Awesome! Thank you!
Chris’s weekly visit is not just entertaining and informative, it’s a refuge from politics!
it's PERFECT that it don't have Wifi/bluetooth . :)
Use only Cables, for security +privacy reasons .
Research how wifi is used by big Companies or governments to spy on inocent people.
Keep up the great work you are doing EC, I really enjoy watching your quality videos.
Thanks, will do!
Thank you for another great video. I'm very glad you pointed out that support for these is on the increase!
I was disappointed not to see Stanley the Knife and Mr. Scissors. Still, if they were not needed, maybe they can go on holiday...
They are, as you suspect, taking a little break. But will return when there is opening to undertake!
@@ExplainingComputers Their resumes are filed, just waiting for a starting position, eh?
@@ExplainingComputers A new Intro Music
ua-cam.com/video/j1qTCMwLQKk/v-deo.html
I know you've been there before, but maybe you will like my take on it. I had fun making it.
@corbett coburn Sorry for hijacking your thread, but for some reason my comment I posted yesterday does not show up.
@@RadicDotkey Thanks for this, and very nicely done. But it loses the "Explaining . . . Computers . . . Dot . . . Com" part of the tune :) And I've no plans to change the intro and ending at the moment.
@@ProDigit80 Indeed!
Hi Christopher. I'm so bussy making video's that I forgot to watch yours.
Nice to see this video. I love my N2+, but I barely use it. M4V2 still is my main SBC, and then I always have a 2nd SBC for research. Like now RockPiX. Too many boards, and not enough brains and hands to use them all at once :)
The Odroid N2 and N2+ have the same hardware, so no need for different images. Tho it is up to the software provider to have the correct settings for the N2+ to be able to run it at its higher clockspeed.
There is also a problem in benchmarking SBCs with different sized clusters like the N2 vs N2+. To make a very long story short, most benchmark tools expect all cores to be equal. While at ARM SBCs this often isn't the case. No problem with quad-cores. But here the difference in perfornance between clusters change.
You can do the same test on one core. For example with sysbench it would be (sudo taskset -c 0 sysbench...) to do the test on core 0. Then taskset -c 5 to do the same on a big core.
Or test clusters together (sudo taskset -c 0-1) for the 2 small cores and (sudo taskset -c 2-5) for the big cores.
It is because x86 never used unequal cores. So not much software is adjusted for this. I often use this for better optimisation.
With blender this isn't a problem since it gives a task to a core, the core just needs to finish that task. Some cores do it slower than others, but they all work at 100%.
Have a great day. Greetings.
NicoD
Hi Nico, and thanks for this. I got very frustrated with the N2+ at first, until I realized that you have to run the updater on the Hardkernel Ubuntu MATE image to made it run at the higher clock speeds. They really could try harder to support their own products.
it's PERFECT that it don't have Wifi/bluetooth . :)
Use only Cables, for security +privacy reasons .
Research how wifi is used by big Companies or governments to spy on inocent people.
@@ExplainingComputers Best support has Armbian.
Just to show you I paid very close attention to you as usual, Dr. Barnatt, I couldn't help but notice you saying at 9:00 that the Odroid N2+ has "a very nice blue LED flashing a heartbeat". Well, we've both had our say in the past about these nefarious sleeping-robbing blue LEDs, so I won't belabor the point again. But I do insist as usual that these little swine are not "nice", as you repeatedly assert at every possible opportunity. Nevertheless, thank you once again for a very fine video. Nobody else covers the gamut of single-board computers as well as you do!
it's PERFECT that it don't have Wifi/bluetooth . :)
Use only Cables, for security +privacy reasons .
Research how wifi is used by big Companies or governments to spy on inocent people.
Greetings from near Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA. Another super video -- thank you for all your hard work. Prof Barnatt's influence here 'across the pond' is perhaps more than one might think. For example, all we have to say to a hard-to-open jar of something is, "Open up you swine!" Magically, the lid seems to almost unscrew itself. It works! So .... there we are. :)
Wouldn't be Sunday morning in the U.S. without another great video from EC! Thanks , Chris! 👍
No problem with UA-cam, i like it. This can be the new pc for a lot of users. Almost 95% of arm sbc have problem with UA-cam.
Great unboxing and review!!! Please, launch some merch line: T-shirts, mugs, thumb drives, SD's with preinstalled distros, whatever. I would be glad to support your great work!!!
Thanks for this. I already have some merch, and plan on adding more before December.
@@ExplainingComputers Please tell me a Stanley The Knife - Not Quite a Gangster T-shirt is forthcoming? I beg of thee for a Stanley T!!!
Thanks for the thorough review of this board. Enjoy the rest of your Sunday.
I really like it that mini-computers such as these have so many i/o ports and connectors.
I like it that you call it a mini-computer.
Historically mini-computers were the size of a cupboard (like the DEC PDP series) while micro computers are plate sized (like the Spectrum). So SBCs should be "nano computers".
Don't know what i/o do
Since it has a heatsink on the bottom, it is nice that a case top comes with it. Looking forward to your next video!
Great interesting and informative video as usual, I'm already looking forward to your next work on Sunday. Thanks for all your hard work and time.
Hooray! Another video from Explaining Computers!
I like your enthusiasm for single board computers. I anxiously await the day when an SSD slot is standard and is the default boot drive.
Im extremely tempted to try to get my hands on one of these. Ive been attempting for a long time to use an SBC as a personal travel computer as I travel for work and have to carry a company laptop. Compared to a rasberry pi, it almost seems like a no brainer. Then i force myself to remember: no built in wifi
Thanks for another well-rounded SBC review Chris. Cheers!
I am predicting you will have a million subscribers by 2022. That will be an impressive achievement that few if any smart-people can lay claim to.
Thanks for very thorough and informative video. Very well done.
Espectacular tu explicacion, te mando un abrazo desde la patagonia Argentina. Que sigan los videos Maestro!
Haha, another great video Chris. Nice to see the high level of sarcasm returning 😉. Keep'em coming and stay safe!
Thanks, will do!
I thought that was subtitle when I saw 대한민국 written on the middle of the board. Korea... that is my country. I feel really sorry for hardkernel, for not knowing that they produce some really nice sbcs. Thank you hardkernel for proudly putting our country's name on their works.
I really enjoy watching your videos, you are doing a great work, thank you
Thanks.
You have the perfect face for a righteous mustache, you're missing out!
Thanks for another great video! I'm looking forward to receiving my N2+4GB later in the month.
Good basis for a data server or network router, though that would need USB-Ethernet dongle, since it only has one Ethernet port.
it's PERFECT that it don't have Wifi/bluetooth . :)
Use only Cables, for security +privacy reasons .
Research how wifi is used by big Companies or governments to spy on inocent people.
@@kirschkern8260 We appear to be having a vehement agreement. That's exactly why I cited server use.
Hi Chris, can you discuss the security aspect of these SBCs and cover ARM TrustZone on these ARM chips?
this request would be rather interesting
You can get a Wifi usb key for 10€ i don't get that point anyway. How does Netflix and vod works on that ?
Watching on my new silent Ubuntu system
Excellent!
it's PERFECT that it don't have Wifi/bluetooth . :)
Use only Cables, for security +privacy reasons .
Research how wifi is used by big Companies or governments to spy on inocent people.
"it's even this nice little blue LED flashing a heartbeat there to show the board is alive" this gave me a nice little chuckle.
I love this channel. It's like the old days TV program about computer and machine.
While everyone's talking about the Pi4 as a desktop replacement, the Odroid looks like a much better candidate. It handles You Tube videos better, and has more (all) USB 3 ports. It also has it's major connectors on on the front and back so you don't have to deal with SBC octopus cable management (cables sticking out on all sides.) Haven't found a manual for it (conspicuously absent when unboxed.) Too bad about the WiFi/Bluetooth, but that can be fixed with a dongle. It has the same shortcomings as the Pi4 when it comes to mass storage, so you'll probably end up with an external SDD plugged into a USB port. Not ideal, but perhaps worthwhile to get the power of this board.
it's PERFECT that it don't have Wifi/bluetooth . :)
Use only Cables, for security +privacy reasons .
Research how wifi is used by big Companies or governments to spy on inocent people.
I love that kind of video thanks you to make them and hope you had a nice week Christopher stay safe Miguel.
Thanks, you too!
@@ExplainingComputers thank you.
Another great review Chris. I like your no BS approach to reviews, I feel like I can trust them.
The N2 works just fine, no need to change N2+. But a very good comparasion video.
For a possible SBC Mini Entertainment system, not having a Bluetooth & Wifi capabilities is really odd to me (especially considering that smaller form-factor SBC like Raspberry Pi or Rock Pi both have it).
Nice, I wanted to get an Odroid N2 when it came out but I forgot... Now I'm plus tempted.
Say, ever considered to try Armbian along (or perhaps instead of) maker-provided distros? Armbian's usually MUCH better crafted
But surely the most obvious change is the colour of the pcb 😂
:)
it's PERFECT that it don't have Wifi/bluetooth . :)
Use only Cables, for security +privacy reasons .
Research how wifi is used by big Companies or governments to spy on inocent people.
Excellent OS samples, as usual.
I wonder if you could do a comparison of the gpio functionality of these boards? Possibly pick three or four SBC's to compare on a single project (for a robot, or sensors,... ). Thanks for another great video Chris.
Sir, you are the best!!!
Thanks.
@@ExplainingComputers you made my day by replying , you are awesome!!!
Soon you'll get more views than BBC Click, if you haven't already
Indeed! I already have a lot more subscribers and total video views than their UA-cam channel. But they have broadcast and iPlayer too!
Better content, more relevant for sure.
@@ExplainingComputers You don't demand any cash from us, either 🤣
I can't remember the last time I watched BBC Click. I forgot the program existed.
Ramsey Pietro Nasser Thats the MacDonalds of tech,Click.
It would be interesting to see benchmark comparisons included between these SBC and the low-power Asrock x86-based computer you built last week.
Nice video idea, noted.
tested sysbench on a Ryzen 5 3400G (variable cpu speeds from 3.1 to 4.2) with Mint...
I was not amused,... got worse reusults (I guess) then ExC had with this Odroids...
same command, just changed threads from 6 to 8...
totaltime was: 30
events (avg/stddev): 1250 / 46.08
execution time (avg/stddev): 30.0316/0.00
perhaps I read the results wrong... I do not know
not so happy.... about the numbers but PC seems to work great otherwhise... but if one compare the price ~400 dollars for this setup to the odroid thing.... :-(
it's PERFECT that it don't have Wifi/bluetooth . :)
Use only Cables, for security +privacy reasons .
Research how wifi is used by big Companies or governments to spy on inocent people.
@@Hasse.Andersson Comparing sysbench is a fail.
PS Yes I checked Explaining The Future and the Space Elevator was the last thing uploaded...A great channel.
It would make a nice little desktop beast if it had 8Gb of memory. Another excellent video, thanks.
I like your style of speaking; reminds me of David Attenborough. I could listen to that voice all day. Anyway, nice video about Odroid N2+. I'm very interested in mini PCs; I have refurbished old laptops / SFF PCs, and installed SSDs w/Linux Mint for family and friends that only use them for internet browsing, email and light office work.
Why don't any of these SBCs have built in POE. Most that have a POE add on board, won't fit in many of the better cases with the POE board mounted. Very annoying.
it's PERFECT that it don't have Wifi/bluetooth . :)
Use only Cables, for security +privacy reasons .
Research how wifi is used by big Companies or governments to spy on inocent people.
Hmm. The ethernet ports on the 'N2 versus 'N2+ have different stickers on them. One says 4G, while the other says 2G. Are these part numbers or something, used wherever they're being assembled, maybe? I wouldn't think it's something to do with how fast the ethernet ports are, considering I haven't heard about any new changes in the ethernet connection standard that didn't involve processing chip and firmware changes only.
The stickers indicate the RAM: the N2 here is a 4GB model, the N2+ a 2GB model.
It would be interesting to see box86 (an OpenSource Linux Userspace x86 Emulator) running Wine on the Odroid N2+ with some older Windows games or Cinebench R11.5 to see how the x86 emulation performs on the Odroid N2+.
I am not sure if the Odroid N2+ supports OpenGL (not ES), which is needed for Wine to emulate DirectX but if the official driver doesn't support it, it should still be possible with the Mesa Panfrost driver.
Greetings! Another relevant presentation in the happy world of SBC: thank you very much! You will notice the full form of our favourite YT teacher, with lines that make Monty Python members green jealous!
In closing: DietPi is a constant source of joy and digital satisfaction: to be tested on your computer as a matter of urgency!
Hi Chris, Thanks very much for your ever so informative info. My Space Time Continuum is now eating a piece of toast and Marmalade before challenging the Japan Railway System. Cheers Good Sir!
Hi Kevin. :)
Odroid C4 at least has the heat-sink on top of the board. Don't understand a heat-sink underneath on the N2[+]. Heat rises so it'll be putting a fair amount of it back into the device and that will be exponential as temperatures increase. Fan mounts underneath seem just as ill-conceived. I suppose one could easily run it up-side-down if the GPIO pins are not being used - or even on its side - then a mounted fan would make sense. Otherwise it's going to be a DIY job.
Mr Barnatt, would you please make a video to review the ODROID-M1, perhaps comparing it with the Pi 4, and the other Odroids you have already reviewed? The specs seem impressive, but my knowledge about SBCs, and computers in general, are limited.
thank you for your videos
My pleasure!
Christopher, wonderful as usual.
I would love to know your thoughts on another area you are expert on; Your prediction for the short and long term effect of this pandemic. I would value your insight here more than anyone I can think of. I'm also sure it is something you will have given some serious thought.
I have not checked your other channel for a while but don't think I've had any notifications for quite a while. I am sure many others would like to hear what you think too.
Sorry to drop a non computer question on you here in Explaining computers.
Good video, but seriously disappointed that you didn't bother to unscrew the 4 screws holding down the heatsink to show the SOC side of the board.
Regarding the lack of WF and BT, they probably figured that you would just use one of those 4 USB ports for dongles. WF dongles are cheap as heck right now. Same pretty much for BT 5 dongles.
Thanks for another great video.
Thanks for watching!
Christopher, may I ask - if you had to put the money down right now - what would be the best (and hopefully cheapest whilst remaining useful) SBC to run RiscOS Direct? Got my Birthday coming up and I'm trying to get my Dad to buy me something.
I'm a programmer by trade and inclination, and considering the recent NVidia/ARM business, it seems like a good time to roll up my sleeves and get into ARM programming!
Or, is it even possible perhaps, to emulate a Raspberry and run RiscOS that way, say through Qemu? Maybe you could do a show on that!
Thank you for your advice and of course, your great video as usual!
Hello there!
Thanks for another great video!
I was thinking about overclocking my Odroid to 2,4 gHz.
Do you recommend buying a fan for overclocking purposes or will the passive cooling suffice?
Regards!
Another great Sunday video for my boring afternoon
It is disappointing that there is now WiFi or Bluetooth. Although I have ethernet capability locally, it would affect what I would purchase because I have to keep certain projects mobile. It still looks like a solid system. Thank you for the video
Thank you sir for another useful video
Interesting little SBC. I have bought several Odroid-Go handheld retro games. And they have always been reliable. I may have to give the N2+ a closer look. :)
Looks interesting! Good morning from Canada Chris
No wifi, no dice. At least it would be nice to have the option. Thanks for the video Chris, thorough as usual!
It is almost perfect. The issues from my perspective: Lack of reset and power on button, that can be used to either start or shutdown, or power off (just like on ATX x86 boards), with option to make it power on after power loss without pressing power on. GPU drivers are still not as good as they could be, especially Vulkan. And the last issue, lack of net boot via DHCP/BOOTP/TFTP without any MMC/SD on board.
Didnt know about those differences between the Odroid N2 and the Odroid N2+
Thank you very much!
I really like odroid products and software support. Only bad thing is availability and requirement for express shipping, which adds taxes and bumps them to 3x listing price here in Brazil.
Using one of these for my new Plex and media server. It's a nice little machine
Lack of WiFi really kills my enthusiasm for what otherwise looks like a brilliant media center board.
Love all your SBC videos. I'm thinking of trying to do a SBC NAS with several RAID drives. Is this a silly idea? What SBC could handle several physical disks (SSDs for instance). Thanks
Very good channel sir, but I would suggest to keep your videos crisp and short to 10 min then your videos will become a major hit.
Video length is always a tricky issue, and some of my most popular videos in 2020 have been the long ones! But I year you. Next week's video is back to 12+ mins, which seems to be an optimal length.
I disagree. I do prefer longer videos to watch while doing house chores. And sunday's EC "premieres" work really great in that regard :-D
4:52 I see one more difference: the left one has two chips right next to the battery where the right one has the sticker. the right one doesn't. what are those?
That is where the other 2GB RAM chips would be if this was a 4GB version on the right
Is that Mike Pence's fly? ;)
Wish you had taken off the heat sink and shown whats on the other side of the PCB. In particular im curious if all components were selected to have the same level or if the heat sink was machined to accommodate.
A nice SBC, but I agree that having no WiFi is disappointing. However, it was very nice to see that it came with a case!
Don't be disappointed. Plug in a dongle.
Expected video, thanks Chris. It would have been wonderful if you could attach the results of RPi4 vs N2+
I just released Retro Arena for this board last night. I used the N2 Ubuntu 18 and back ported the kernel to have the max clock speeds available. It also has a working Kodi, which Ubuntu 20 seems to not like.
finally a board that can play youtube 1080p. i wonder how it behave for 4k?
Nice presentation, Chris.
10:24 I was waiting for it..
Thank you for the information. Best wishes.
Really want this but it is out of stock until the end of the month...
A raspberry pi 4 2gb in Canada costs $69 (CAN), the odroid 2gb costs $63 (USD).
Odroid N2+ can use with external Bluetooth adapter and WIFI adapter and what are possibility can use raspbx image with Odroid N2+ . Most of we use SBC for PBX system for voip . Still raspberry PI3 B+ is most useful SBC . please let me know what are the other SBC can use for PBX Thanks
Perhaps a minor issue, but it would have been nice if there was a hole to pass the two-pin fan wires through to the fan on the other side. Wrapping the wire around the outside seems like it would be a little janky.
Nice little LED flashing the Heartbeat there...!
Chris, I would like you to review the NexDock. I value you opinion over all others.
Eta prime did it
@@RafaCoringaProducoes Im not interest in they opinion I want C E. His hold MORE weight in MY Eyes. It clear YOU did not read my comment at all, that what I stated.
😂 Hurry... out of the way plastic case bits!!! Let me at that electrochemically etched circuit board and its thingemy wodgets... quickly... quickly!!! Love your work Sir 👍
I guess the change to sysbench was so that instead of either time or events option implicitly taking priority, it's now whichever comes 1st, so to have events take priority time needs to be infinite.
It would be interesting to see if you could set up these single board computers into a video rendering farm but does the free version of davinci resolve support this?
Only 95% sure, but I believe you need the studio version. All the "how-to" information I've seen out there on setting up a render farm with Resolve uses the studio version.
The question is would you call a mother board sized motherboard an SBC?
To properly run it, you need:
1. Power Supply - 12V, can't be powered by a mobile battery
2. UPS - to ensure power outages doesn't turn off the computer immediately
3. Monitors
4. Speakers
5. Mouse and Keyboard
I would call any motherboard, regardless of size, an SBC it is contains an integrated processor and SBC. To "run" most motherboards, RAM and a processor need to be slotted in -- this is not the case with an SBC.