IRATA Level 3 Rigging Exercise - My IRATA Level 3 Reassessment in 2023
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- Опубліковано 19 тра 2024
- Rigging a Y-Hang, into a Re-anchor or Rebelay into a Deviation.
That sounds simple and with these IRATA assessments you never know. That is why in this IRATA training for my 5th reassessment I was preparing for the worst and wanted to make one releasable rigging that I could control from on place. In the end the rigging ended up completely different than I had planned. Listen in to hear my considerations.
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CHAPTERS:
0:00 Intro
2:30 Rigging Considerations
3:10 Rigging a Y-Hang
11:49 Rigging the Re-Anchor
20:09 Rigging a Releasable Deviation
22:18 Conclusion - Навчання та стиль
Have only recently started using the Spark, but so far, quickly turning into one of my favorite descenders!
Yeah it is a great descender! I love it!
Nice job Alex, I'm so glad you filmed this, it put me right there doing it with you. Nice job of putting the rope under the catwalk before tying the Y-hang. I have the Syrius descender, and the Taz3, and an ID. I like the Syrius and the Taz most, the both have a place. Jim
Glad you enjoyed it!
I am using the Spark instead of the Sirius the last few months and they are both so smooth when descnding and very durable. I like them a lot. THe TAZ is such a cool apparatus. It serves many purposes. That is why it always in my bag!
The really great thing about the Taz is, that you can attach it on a tensioned line and have versatility, I don't really use it as a descender, the handle is too small.@@TheRopeAccessChannel
YEah it is great. Just last week I had an L3 play around with it when he found himself needing to descend on tensioned lines. He was impressed and I could see his mind go…. Hmmmmm maybe I need one of those now..
Nice to "meet" another 3 ;p
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Cool vid, I didn't expect the Grilons for the redirect but it's a neat way of doing it - we have come such a long way from stops and shunts!
Oh yes, we absolutely have hahaha!!!
@@TheRopeAccessChannel How do you like that Megawatt? Im still very happy with my sparrows, but a compact second descender looks like a really good way to make life easier
It is a good descender and has its place in my bag. I find myself reaching for the Spark more often though. When I need to do a lot of descending... I like the compact form of the Megawatt. When rigging for rescue, or when one handed descending is needed it is perfect. When working in short ropes the small engagement are of the cam makes the descending part a little more finnikcky than a rig or spark. Still I like it for the other stated reasons.
@@TheRopeAccessChannel Yeah, a good second device
I watch alot of tree guys climb, and then I watch one of your videos, and I'm blown away by all the climbing devices you're required to use lol.
Different industry different rules. We have to deal with big corporations and they like their rules…. That said all we really carry extra is an extra rope with a backup. And when using a croll we adhere to manufacturers recommendations with the jumar/cowstail combo. In tree work that often is discarded and we can think of that what we will.
What are some the things that pop as to what we have to carry extra?
@@TheRopeAccessChannel The extra rope, extra descenders, asap and fall arrest tether, extra lanyards, and possibly something else I'm forgetting lol. Here in the US for tree work, all your required is a single rope for srt/drt, 1 ascending/descending device and a lanyard. Although in the UK I hear arborists are required to use 2 access ropes. Similar to rope access.
It doesn't seem like that much more to me. Since you describe a bare minimum, this would be a bare minimum: for rope access
One harness
Jumar + Footloop
Descender
1 (if you want 3) cowstails
And because it is rope access and extra rope and backup device
So basically only one rope and a backup extra.
For instance with the gear you mentioned climbing a tree is possible however, it won't be possible to do an aid climb you would need more gear. Same as us. That is why we carry more. With what I had on my harness I could do 90% of all the required exercises. I was prepared.
Besides when I work as an arborist we were setup for retrievable ddrt deviations, and carry other pieces of gear to create a second anchor or rope with the tail end of our rope. Most arborists I know have a harness full of gear haha.. It really is just an extra rope and a backup.
And it is about what task we are doing. For some of the rescues you just need more gear.
By the way, I heard the same about the UK. It seems that working trees with an extra rope is a bit more challenging and might hamper your fluid movement through a tree. Probably just takes some getting used to.......
The Spark is great! Been using it for about a year now and apparently they dont wear as quick as some of the other descenders do
That is what I have been hearing to ;-)
20:34 just a Q when rigging the grillions like this do you have to tie them off with a slip knot ? Could an assessor give you a minor for this or not ? And I love your videos I have learned so much from watching your channel. Im a L2 and going for my L3’s soon.
I think if you use a grillon as a connection between you and the CS it is best to tie it of (or when used in rigging). I think I did not do that here. It is better to tie off I think and not always necessary.
Hey bro love the channel. Just wondering about 18 mins in when you do the rope to rope over to the re anchor you you only had 2/3 points - when doing a rope to rope we use 4 points. Just wondering did I miss something ?
Within IRATA the requirements are that if the anchors are within 1,5 meter, or reaching distance than we need to be on 3 points at all times during the transfer. So adding a third to change the backup is sufficient. We call it a small rope to rope transfer (I made a video about that). If the anchors are more than 1,5 meter apart we need 4 points during the whole maneuver. (There is also a dedicated video on that). One reason is that with a small r2r the risk of an unintended swing due to a rope breaking is so small and not an issue.
And furthermore, I would like to argue that I am standing on a comfortable beam so one fall arrest point is sufficient hahaha. Just kidding..(sort of)
Where did you learn rope access? Under irata? Sprat? Soft? Or another scheme??
Hello. I have several questions about this video. What is the distance between the anchor points of the big Y? What is the optimal double deviation angle? Thank you for the video and the opportunity to learn something new.
If you rig a Y-Hang with an angle of 90 degrees and a load of 100kg, you will have an individual anchor load of approx 71 kilo. if you rig a deviation with an angle of 90 degrees and a load of 100kg, you will have an deviation anchor load of approx 141 kilo. So whenever you can it's better to use a y hang. Hope this is helpful to you. :D
The distance between anchors was over 1 meter, probably close to 1,5/2 meters.
Depending on your anchors and intent, there is no optimal deviation angle. If we lift something on a pulley in a roof above, we have a 180 degree angle and double the load on that anchor that can be perfectly fine. If we rig a 90 degree angle (like @user- something said and load the anchor at 1,4x)and have to work underneath that and not pass it, that can be perfectly fine too. If you need to climb past a deviation, the shallower the better where 20 degrees maximum is a number that get thrown around a lot. So it all depends on the situation. Just as long as you are making well thought out decisions the optimal angle is the one that works for that situation.
Does that make sense?
great video!
Iam currently Fisat Level 2 and I want switch to IRATA for the Level 3 due to the now even more expensive every year repeating assessment.
dont get me wrong it is very important to re asses especially rescue but in my eyes every year 500 Eur is really a lot and says a lot about the Fisat so called 'club'. Do you know if its possible to switch at all? I have 154 days of work and 1260 hours certified as a Fisat climber.
Also for the coil I know how to twist it without losing the rope at all its hard to explain tho. its important that you keep the Rope short that will make things easier. I guess if youd take some time youll figure it out yourself.
rock on Alex!
To my knowledge you can not go from FISAT 2 to IRATA 3. Direct entry in europe is very very hard or not allowed. You would have to contact irata on that one
So out of all the descenders what would you say is the best? I do alot of drops constantly descending been using petzl rigs / ID's but rencently having to replace them 6 monthly - to yearly due to them slipping all the time wear is crazy 😓😓
The best is hard to say it depends what you do. I think for what you do a Sirius or Spark would be best. The D4 maybe but I’m not a fan of that one. Those are metal and durable. At the moment the Spark might be my favorite one
Are redirects (deviations?) ever done with clove hitches? I could see situations where that might be nicer
If I would tie my rope in a Clove Hitch to the deviation it would become a re-anchor. Or do you mean taking a piece of rope and tying that with a clove hitch instead of how I used the Grillon. And with the Clove Hitch it would be easily adjustable?
That would be very possible and according to some not allowed under IRATA… And in principle it is good and I have done so in the past for sure.
Does that answer your question?
@@TheRopeAccessChannel yip that answered the question. I didn’t know if it would be called a re-anchor. Thanks
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Do you find that there is a large need for these services and not very many companies to provide the services or Vices versa? Lots of companies and not very much work? IRATA and SPRAT work specifically.
I am not sure I understand what you mean??? What services? IRATA/SPRAT training? Or actual rope access work?
THere is enough work and a lot of training centers.
Does that answer your question ?
@@TheRopeAccessChannel Both. Teaching Certifications and working jobs in the industry.
There is a lot of work. I think worldwide. If I really wanted I would be traveling the globe and working along the way.
There are quite a few training centers in my area. I can not say for the rest of the world. Over here though, even with 5 or 6 IRATA training member companies there is not a lot work for the instructors. Each training center has their own trainers and it is not easy to get the foot in the door.
All ways good except video 🎉
Thank you :-)