Thought Provoking: The Mormon Gospel Cannot Make You Right with God
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Do not miss this video as Pastor Wade Orsini and Deacon Andrew Soncrant of Apologia Utah have an awesome conversation with three LDS people.
There is a very subtle confusion between the LDS view of grace and the biblical view of grace and in this video, it becomes absolutely clear that the LDS view of grace is not biblical.
35:19 “Will you be worshipped one day, young man?”
That question was so sobering. It really puts into perspective how blasphemous the idea of exaltation is☹️ I pray that this interaction was not for naught but that the Lord will bear fruit through it
Yeah, holy smokes.
"baptism in requirement for salvation" - right there, that alone places them under the law, and not under Grace. =(
The guy with the glasses was interested when you started telling him about all the things that the LDS church adds to the gospel and keeps them enslaved to this idea that they must earn God's acceptance! It must have been so liberating to hear that all he needs to do is believe on the Lord Jesus Christ who has accomplished everything that He needs for salvation! Praise God!
You're clearly misunderstanding the LDS concept of grace. We must apply the Atonement within our lives. We must allow Christ's grace and forgiveness work in us. We need Christ's Atonement to save us from our sins but it is a great error to believe you can be saved in your sins.
@@riversidebatman That's a false gospel, God must save, and God alone, He will not have anybody boasting:
“For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not of works, so that no one may boast.”
Ephesians 2:8-9
“Now to the one who works, his wage is not counted according to grace, but according to what is due. But to the one who does not work, but believes upon Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,”
Romans 4:4-5
@@riversidebatman
The foundation of basically all LDS concepts are based on a lie. In order to accept anything from the LDS church, that would entail one has to accept that Smith was a guy God chose to restore The Gospel on earth.
The problem with this is Jesus stated very clearly that He would build His church and the gates of Hell would not prevail against it (Matthew 16:18). And no, I'm not speaking about The Roman Catholic Church. So, if Smith was used to restore the church to earth, then this would make Christs' statement a lie, and make Him a false Messiah, for if He could get this wrong, then what else could He be wrong about?
Plus, groups such as the LDS church, The Watchtower, The Churches of Christ, The Disciples of Christ, Christian Scientists, etc., plus, the dozen or so other LDS off shoots of the one located in Salt Lake City, all claim to have a person whom God used to restore the Church, that they and they alone is the only one who hears and speaks for God, that they have the authority to baptize, that they have extra Biblical revelations/writings to supplement The Bible, and the list goes on. So the LDS is nothing special nor unique in any of their claims about their group, nothing.
@@riversidebatman John 8:24
[24] I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins.” (ESV)
Receive that transformative faith my friend.
@@riversidebatman "We must apply the Atonement within our lives." and what does that look like?
"We need Christ's Atonement to save us from our sins but it is a great error to believe you can be saved in your sins." So He saves you, but you're not saved? Explain.
It’s more important if Islam makes a Muslim a better person than for them to have a correct understanding of Christ…🤔
Yep. Sounds like work salvation.
Praying for these sweet LDS kids 🙏 You guys did a great job planting seeds. My husband & I will be in UT on April 20th and 21st I hope we run into you guys and would love to say hello.
Classic Mormon tactic: run away when their beliefs are contradicted by the Bible
I think that is the case for most things. I always wanted to run from a conversation when it went to "Audrey, you are living in sin messing around with the same sex" I wanted to get out so bad, but out of respect I would stick around and deal with their words.
Calvanist cult tells other cult they are more wrong than them. Fixed the title.
apologia utah does not understand basic christian doctrine.
here's the big problem for you, and all so-called christian churches, that you refuse to acknowledge ... jesus founded his church on prophets and apostles. the scriptures clearly tell us that, many times. and there is only one church today that has prophets and apostles. the restored church of jesus christ. "the church of jesus christ of latter-day saints" which you refer to as mormons. not any of yours. consider yourself schooled.
the church of god in the time of the prophets, was built on the foundation of the prophets, i. e. upon those doctrines and doctrinal truths deliver'd by them. the church of god under the new testament, is built not only on the foundation of the prophets, but of the apostles, Rev. 21:14.
this is precisely what paul affirms in ephesians 2:20 where he says that the church is “built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, christ jesus himself being the cornerstone” (cf. rev. 21:14; also 1cor. 3:10-11 in context).
the church of jesus christ of latter-day saints is the ONLY church today built on a foundation of apostles and prophets.
apologia utah is teaching a false gospel (just like all protestants).
for that matter, catholics as well.
Great job Apologia church!!!! Get these people to convert to real Jesus not the fake Jesus!!!!
SOLI DEO GLORIA!
Praise the lord Jesus because he is faithful i feel so sad for these Mormons there following the doctrines the teachings of Joseph Smith not the truth so I pray for the to come to the true living God.🙏🏻
Mormons believe in the same god you do lmao. All humans need to stop putting faith and power in some made up thing and start believing and empowering each other.
I surly hope humans can evolve past religion at some point or their is no hope for us. Mormons believe in some “crazy” things but all religions do. Jesus ain’t coming. He’s a story made up in a book written by men that unfortunately was to control the masses. It’s working. Prove me wrong. I was in this cult most my life. All religion is the same at the end of the day. Don’t feel bad for me or waste or time on prayers that aren’t going to do anything. Decide today to think for the yourself. And then will you truly be blessed and will be blessed to help those around you. Otherwise bahhhh 🐑
And we'll pray for you as well.
are you calvanist if so no thank you
Apologia are now criticising the Latter Day Saint belief that men can become gods one day. The Bible clearly teaches the reality of there being many gods in existence though to us there is but one God, the Father and one Lord, Jesus Christ. The Bible clearly teaches that God intends to make gods of men; Deuteronomy 10:17, Joshua 22:22, Psalms 82:1, Psalms 82:6, Psalms 136:2, Daniel 11:36, Matthew 5:48, 10:34, John 17:22, Acts 17:29, Romans 8:17, 1 Corinthians 8:5,6. 2 Corinthians 3:18, Galatians 4:7, Ephesians 4:13, Philippians 2:5,6, 1 John 3:2, Revelation 3:21.
wow great gospel presentation.
Apologia misuse scripture continually, never understanding it or quoting scripture in the context of other scripture. E.g. They’ll quote Isaiah 42:8 to prove that men will never become gods but never quote John 17:22 or many other significant verses.
Apologia says baptism isn’t essential for salvation. The Bible says; Mark 16:16, John 3:5, 1 Peter 3:21.
These LDS members they spoke with, listen to how they just dance around questions, and can't even articulate their own faith very well, as they try to make all religions inclusive into their belief system, but at the end of the day, if you got real answers, they would have to tell you that "we believe all creeds are an abomination before God" and cite what Joseph Smith Jr clearly stated along with those who came after him. They would have to admit that they believe they alone have the full gospel of Jesus Christ as they believe it should be, and no one else has it.
Modern day Mormonism has changed so much since I was heavily involved in this cult religion, back in the early 1980's ~ 2000's. It is amazing to look back at what we were taught in my time, compared to what they try and teach and convey today. Their missionaries will not talk about the deeper theology of Mormonism and you do not learn about most deeper issues until after you are baptized into their church. Even then, they have no desire to bring up the past, or what their past prophets declared which were later declared heresies by future prophets.
Basically, they have a long history of throwing past prophets in the church under the bus, declaring that "they didn't speak as a prophet, but only as a man at those times" and try to misdirect, deceive and flat out lie about their own history, and attempt to paint a very different picture to soften image of Mormonism, and their demon doctrines.
It is truly sad to see how the LDS church is caught in a web of deceptions, lies, misdirection campaigns, because they refuse to get rid of the doctrines of Joseph Smith Jr, but they have no means to do that without it dismantling the entire church. With all the private investment holdings and corp names, shell corps they use to hide and manage their "for profit" businesses, and to find their real worth is well over 100B (yes, Billion) dollars, it is mind boggling to see one of the most sophisticated religious cults obtain the status they have.
Remember, the broad road to hell is paved with many who have good intentions, means well, are good people, do good deeds, etc, but if you believe in a false Christ, and in a different gospel, you are damned for hell. The Scriptures are very clear on these points, and Jesus himself warned us and his apostles as well.
As soon as you believe the Bible was corrupted, you open your mind to the whiles of Satan, who is the most cunning being ever created. If Satan could convince 1/3rd of the entire host of angels in heaven to follow him, and they all had exalted minds and ability to reason and think well beyond our abilities, how much easier to you think it would be for Satan to create many false religions over time, in which to lure many to him that will follow him into hell?
Apologia says that if Jesus was a man that would make him impotent as our Saviour. The Bible says; 1 Timothy 2:5.
Apologia quote John 1 but the most literal translation of John 1 is John 1
3. all things through him did happen, and without him happened not even one thing that hath happened.
That’s somewhat different from saying that Jesus created everything ever in existence.
15:40 baptism is essential. Hence John the Baptists.. and also in OT it was prophesied. Get the scripture correct lads
Correct, no one can come unto Jesus unless there are baptized, not event the thief on the cross gets a free pass.
We exist from God not Adam. Our physical progenitors, Adam and Eve, is not our zoe progenitor.
Apologia quote Colossians 1 and say that Jesus created all things in heaven and earth. But Colossians 1 also gives a context as to what all things created means i.e. thrones, dominions, principalities and powers. Again not everything ever in existence.
Can you convince someone into heaven? Just curious. Isn’t just the gospel enough? That it’s Christ alone through faith alone.
Apologia criticises Moroni 10:32 because it teaches an if/then doctrine of forgiveness of sins, a bit like say 1 John 1:7 does.
He said he keeps the commandments for the blessings and to be a better person. So he is not keeping the first commandment to love God! He needs to keep all those rules out of love for God and to glorify him. . Not for any rewards or self-improvement, even tho those may happen. Mormons are all about themselves. Not glorifying God. Sad.
I Would like to know how many Jesus are there. What Jesus are you apologians follow.
I absolutely LOVE how Apologia cares so much for the Mormons, you can feel it…they are truly amazing disciples of Jesus Christ!🥹 We♥️love our fellow Mormon Family, I hope we all continue to pray for them & continue to share biblical truth & connect with them. They are good people & I believe most of them truly do want to know God’s truth. Let’s not give up on each other. When I was Mormon, God pursued my heart & never gave up on me, he showed me the truth because I was searching for it. Anyone truly searching for Gods truth, I promise you, God WILL show it to you, it may not be easy, but trust me, JESUS IS WORTH IT!😉 Thank you Jesus for this channel & the incredible work these men of God are doing to help bring home the lost. God is so good!💪 🙏🥹♥️ Praise Jesus! God Bless🙏♥️✝️
@alohaangel1111
“”I absolutely LOVE how Apologia cares so much for the Mormons, you can feel it””
What part of the video is that?
WRONG Title gentleman on your video
I dont know why, but lately I have come across a lot of videos that adress the LDS believe of how"we are saved by grace after all we can do". And I feel that in pretty much also all these videos, including yours, that doctrine actually gets misunderstood. So I hope you bear with me while trying to explain what it actually is, that Mormons believe. And to start off, I would like an example that Brad Wilcox used to explain how we LDS look at Salvation.
Christs arrangement with us is similar to a mom providing music lessons for her child. Mom pays the piano teacher and because mom pays the debt in full she can turn to her child and ask for somerthing. What is it? Practice. Does the childs practice pay the piano teacher? No. Does the childs practice repay mom for payin the piano teacher? No.
Practicing is how the child shows appreciation for moms incredible gift. Its how he takes advantage of the amazing opportunity mom has given her child to live it's life at a higher level. Moms joy is not found in getting repaid but in seeing her gift beung used, seeing her child improve so she continues to call for practie, practice, practice..
So to point our clearly what LDS do believe:
1. We do not beliece that we can save ourselves through works
2. We do believe that only Christ can save us by his Grace
3. We do believe that Christ alone satisfies the demands of justice.
4. But what we do believe is, that this does not absolcve us from satisfying the demands of Christ
Mayby before I go further into this, we should also explain what LDS actually mean by "Salvation". In LDS believe Salvation applies to physical and spiritual death (sin).
Physical Death:
According to LDS believe, overcoming the physical death is a free Gift from Christ to humanity, something we could never achieve on our own, no mattter how great our works.
Spiritual Death:
Salvation from Spiritual Death (sin) is also only posisble through the grace of Christ. However, what we do believe on this is that Christ himself has put forth conditoins on accessing that gift, namely things like faith, repentance, baptism for the remission of sind and receiving the Holy Ghost.
And yes, I get that "baptism" also is a "work". But we LDS believe that the purpose of that work is diffferent. It is not in any way to satisfy the demands of justice, it is not to earn salvation, it simply is to meet a condition upon which the reception of Christs gift is predicated. And the astonishing thing is that, according to LDS believe, people that did not get baptized in this life time, will not automatically end up in hell. Rather LDS believe that God is no respecter of persons, meaning every person will receive an equal chance to accept or reject Christ. Why? Because we believe the Bible when it tells us that" God wants everyone to be saved and to full yundestand the truth" (1 Timothy 2:4).
So in short, Mormons do not believe they can earn up their way to heaven. Mormons do not believe they are saved and/or justify the demands of justice by their works, but what Mormons do believe is that following the example of Christ, is what Christ asks of us, after he had prepared the way by his grace alone. So, where we seem to differ is on the fact that we believe that following Christs example is a requirement for salvation. It does not suffice to merely believe and accept Jesus Christ, to afterwards do as we desire. And here I have to admidt that this sounds most sensible and just to me.
Listening to you talking about what Mormons supposedly believe almost feels like as if God would be offended by us beliving and understanding that improving our "piano skills" also depends on us doing the Will of "our Mother", mainly because believing and understanding that this is a vital requirement, would disminish the power and gift of the mother having payed all the debts. And for us LDS it is the opposite, we believe that God does rejoce over everyone that shows their grattitude and appreciation for the gift received by fulfilling the requirements Christ has given.
The relationship we believe in is that God has given everything for us and our salvation. He is the one and only author of Salvation. And yet, all he asks for is that we take his yoke upon us. And isnt it interesting what a Yoke actually is? Meaning that a Yoke is usually pulled by two being involved?
So, despite the Yoke of Christ being "light", it still implies that two together, meaning Christ and each on of us, have to pull to be able to move foreward.
I think the best way to understand where works actually fit in, is to look upon Jesus Christ. Christ himself, being God, did not come into this world to keep the commandments for us so that we would not have to, but he came to keep and magnify God's law and do good works as an example for us to follow. His invitation is clear, that we are not just to believe in him, but that we are to follow his example. And though we totally fail in being as perfect as he is, he still believes that we actually can follow him .What a great gift.
In closing I want to leave it with a few scriptures from the Bible that adress the topic of works:
“For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works” (Matthew 16:27)
“And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work” (Revelation 22:12).
14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without [a]your works, and I will show you my faith by [b]my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe-and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is [c]dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made [d]perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was [e]accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? (James 2:14-26)
Peace to you brothers
Brad Wilcox is the LAST person (who is a racist and an idiot) I would ever listen and follow.
The Bible teaches
Salvation is by Grace alone through faith alone (apart from works). It is a gift given to unworthy dead people that are made alive in Christ. Eph. 2:1-9.
Now as a new creation I am given as a gift: good works to do Eph. 2:10 that shows that my faith is alive. James 2.
When I came to Christ in faith, God put me into Christ spiritually and I was crucified, buried and risen with Him. Gal. 2:20. Gal. 3:27 says that I was baptized in to Christ (also 1 Pet. 3:21). That was when I believed and had I died then I would have went to the highest heaven to be with Christ. Now because I was baptized into Christ, the fruit/evidence was that I want to do all that He wants me to do so I got baptized into water as an external witness of my spiritual baptism into Christ.
@@AdamsTaiwan It seems that even "grace" based upon "faith" by itself will and can not guarantee being saved, for "if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sin".. (Hebrews 10:26-27).
But its not just that, also those that may have received saving grace by faith, but that show a lack of mercy, will also be judged with a lack of mercy, whilst those that may neither have received baptism, or even saving grace, will receive a remission of sins by their amount of mercy (James 2:13), and therefore does James not just compare "dead" to "faith without works", but also specifies that "works" are actually the "spirit of faith", meaning, without the spirit (works based upon charity), faith can and will never suffice unto salvation (James 2:26 = "For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also"), which is why Paul made clear that charity stands above all things, including hope and faith.
And there I think Paul was right when stating that no matter whether someone has all gifts of the spirit, knows all things, gets all doctrine right, has all faith to remove mountains, has all the gifts of the Spirit, but lacks charity, it's all worh nothig (1 Corint. 13)
And so we also see that even though the "good Samaritian" did err in doctrine, was even considered pagen, serving a "false God", did more the will of the Father by showing mercy and charity, than those that seemingly got their doctrine right, serving the one true God, and that, I asume, is also why the purest form of religion has to bring forth the good fruits of charity, or else that religion is also worth nothing (James 1:25-27)..
Jesus made clear that this is how we are to discern spiritual truth from deception, which is "to know them by their fruits".. and to me it is obvious that these "good fruits" can and do not merely refer to noticing the works, miracles, faith, gifts and charity of others, for all these can still be founded on bad, false or unrightous intentions and therefore lack true charity as a basis, as well as therefore also be deceptive.
So, "ye shall know them by their fruits" ultimatly and most likely primarely has to refer to all things that bring forth the "good fruits of charity" within ourselves, by which we can know of ALL things (trees = sources of truth-claims) whether they be of God, wheter these "trees" may be routed in people (prophets), books (including the scriptures), religions, dogmas, and even visions and dreams)
So in light of all that, everything we believe and do, no matter how beautiful, powerfull and "correct", is not sufficient unto salvation, unless founded on pure charity and mercy, which charity and mercy do no just cover a multitude of sins (1 Peter 4:8), but also change the judgement of God on everyone, includin those that may not even know about Jesus ar all (James 2:13)..
...which I think does not just means that it even transendes individual dogmas, religions and worldviews, but that in deed, we will be judged as we judge (Mathew 7:1-2), which is why there is such a essential need to truly treat others the way we want to be treated (6:31).
The only way many views on the Bible work is to presuppose the inerrancy and univocality of the Bible, which the Bible itself does not teach, which actually allowe anyone to make any argument work, for example, explain away the clear words in James in contrast to Pauls words...
@@SimonDaumMusic Paul and James are talking about different aspects of faith. Paul regarding justification, James regarding Sanctification. Paul proof before God, James proof before men.
If one sins willfully and is lost, that would be proof that the person was not born again (born from above).
Noooo! Let them read the scriptures to prove the Bible!!!
Two things from my end:
1) What does the Super Sleuth’s shirt say?
2) Was this conversation before your episode with Eric Johnson? I ask because I have found using the Mormon writings as a heavy yoke (ie, D&C 82:7 w/ Spencer W. Kimbell’s interpretation of that text in “Miracle of Forgiveness”) along with Lutheran Satire’s 40.some odd second test with 2nd Nephi 25:23 (and Moroni 10:32-33) to be effective in really demonstrating the radical difference between the Mormon “gospel” and the true Gospel of the Bible.
My shirt says, "Not Today Satan." And I can't remember if this is before or after my convo with Eric Johnson.
Awesome! Are you all going to be at the General Conferences they host in Salt Lake?
@@mr400meter We were indeed at General conference two weekends ago. The next one is in April. 🙂
Good stuff, guys. Thanks for sharing!
Apologia criticise the acts of faith that Mormonism teaches are essential for salvation and exaltation and yet the Bible clearly teaches the need for acts of faith as well as grace to bring salvation to pass; Matthew 3:7,8. Matthew 18:3-5. Matthew 18:8,9. Matthew 19:17. Matthew 25. Mark 16:16. Luke 6:46-49. John 3:5. John 15:1-17. Romans 2:1-11. 1 Corinthians 9:21, 24. 2 Corinthians 5:9-10. Galatians 6:7-8, Philippians 2:12. Hebrews 5:9, James 1:22-25, James 2:14-26. 1 John 1:7. 1 Peter 3:21. 1 John 2:3-6. 1 John 3:4-10. 1 John 3:22-24. 1 John 5:2,3. Revelation 3:20. Revelation 14:12,13. Revelation 22:14.
Acts of faith are VERY DIFFERENT than WORKS for salvation. You are deceived.
@@gingerwells8876 I’ve listed Bible verses where acts of faith are clearly identified as being necessary for salvation and yet you say I’m deceived. Deceived how? By the Bible? The works that the apostle Paul was always teaching had no saving power or function were clearly the works of the Mosaic Law. But faith in Jesus Christ includes doing the things that Jesus Christ instructed us that we must DO. If we wont do them we are not faithful. Grace and Faith must work together for salvation to be obtained. Ephesians 2:8-9. God provides the grace but we must bring the faith. That faith has to be more than an intellectual belief in Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour; Matthew 19:17, James 2:14-26, Hebrews 11. Indeed true belief results in our becoming righteous. Romans 10:10, 1 John 3:7. And walking in the light as Jesus walked in the light brings a forgiveness of sins; 1 John 1:7. Simply thinking or saying we accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour does not bring a forgiveness of sins. Be a doer of the word and a hearer only; James 1:22.
The sect that has raised more questions than answered any.
The Church of Jesus Christ is not considered a sect. Just wanted to make that clear if that is what your stating.
@@clarksetters well not sure about your definition of sect but I meant denomination. Christianity have many sects or denomination. However as much I found about LDS its hard now to count it as Christian but rather a different religion. Some sees it as a cult as well with all the crazy hidden stuff about it.
@@AshrafIssaTravels Oh, ok yes denomination is better. Sect definition would be a group that has broken off of an existing group or church. I am curious as to you saying "as much as you found about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints that you have a hard time consider it not a Christian Religion. What things did you find about the church that made you think in such a way? Oh and some of the (hidden stuff) or secret stuff is considered sacred instead. Let me know if you have any question about the church I am happy to help you understand.
@@clarksetters Well I have met a lot of the missionaries, and so lets agree that everything that is not discussed or mentioned at all by the missionaries or Mormons when you talk to them is a secret or is being hidden by purpose. I give an example, I sat down with a 7 missionaries in a group of 3, talking about the premortal life, spritiual world and the 3 kingdoms that you can end up on. None of the 7 missionaries bothered to mention that in pre mortal life Jesus and Satan are brothers and in turn they are our brothers or that there is a havenly mother aka God's wife, or that in the 3 kingdoms you can become a God having the same powers as God. But I had to dig deeper online in order to find things like this and things like this make the whole core of the Christian faith changed and once you change the core belief of the religion you can not be considered Christian but rather a different religion. Therefore, by just using terms like salvation, jesus, heavenly father and cuddling next to the Bible but not believing in the Bible rather another book that is considered to be above the Bible, can not be called Christian or Christianity. I noticed as well many people online is calling it even a cult, I've seen videos where people have sneaked in cameras into the temple and filmed the rituals etc. For me that does not look normal at all.
Thank you bros in Christ …👍🏽
I think he used the word feel felt 10x 😔
See how they can't help themselves saying "we believe they are ONE, as in, ONE in purpose, but they can't show Biblical Scripture that supports that. Here is the real deal, ask them if they know how to read Hebrew or Greek. Chances are they do not. Challenge them to go meet with a true authentic Hebrew Rabbi in the area (they exist) and ask them to explain these passages, as to why Judaism believes in, regarding what the words in the Old Testament mean (especially Isaiah passage in which God clearly states he is the ONLY God, and there were none formed before him, nor shall there be after him, and he knows of NO other Gods).
I have had some LDS members use various online sources and show that certain Hebrew or Greek words used were "plural" but they take the meaning given out of context. They lack true study of the Greek and Hebrew languages and how they truly transmit from those languages into the meaning of the English language. That is why the KJV is the most closely direct translation, word for word, with the actual meanings, because those who took the Hebrew and Greek texts to transmit them into the English language, were scholars that knew how to read those languages and understand them in their original context.
I think it’s safe to say that the Jewish scholars got something wrong in their interpretation of the Old Testament…
@@ericamiles8024 prove it
it always comes down to agency! the Bible refutes that idea.
Wade and Andrew say a lot of things that are not true and are wrong on a lot of points that they are trying to teach.
Like what?
You can’t just make a blanket statement like that, and not give at least one single example.
Outstanding.
Great job brothers!
Hey guys keep sharing the good news! Thank you
Plz get the facts correct…
We don’t earn gods acceptance
The savior dying on the cross paid the debt for our sins
We are saved by grace
Yea we believe the Bible that’s asks us if we love Jesus keep his commandments right??
Ok. If we sin turn away, the cross paid the debt
I’m tired of wrong things said about the Church of who??
Yes The church of Jesus Christ.
Remember his church is named after who???
Yes Jesus
Calvinists also believe they earn God’s acceptance: through regeneration. They will deny it is themselves doing the work of regeneration, but an acknowledgment of regeneration is an action, ie “work”.
Keep up your good work.
Evangelical grace isn't grace.
“I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel? “Lord, they have killed Your prophets, they have torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they are seeking my life.” But what is the divine response to him? “I have kept for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” In the same way then, there has also come to be at the present time a remnant according to God’s gracious choice. But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace. What then? What Israel is seeking, it has not obtained, but those who were chosen obtained it, and the rest were hardened;”
Romans 11:1-7
How about giving your definition of grace.
Great work
Nope sorry, I would rather twist scripture and remain a Mormon, my life long identity and family roots of security then be one in Jesus Christ the creator and Savior of the world. Maybe after the Pre-trib Rapture happens and all this is taken away I will reconsider my error or not.
Repent
God bless you guys
Hey guys, Jesus doesn't want you to become a better person! I guess that's why he didn't give us commandments.
Wade and Andrew don't understand why we are here on earth apparently. I know they are trying to help but they need to know the truth of things before they try to teach others.
To Whom Shall We go? Evangelicals are the most splintered group out there!! Don't believe me? There are many former evangelicals that will tell you this.
Apologia preach their shallow, empty gospel to people who have the more substantial and meaningful gospel of Jesus Christ being revealed to them by the witness of the Holy Ghost. Luke 24:32, John 14:26, John 15:26, John 16:13, Acts 1:2, Acts 5:32, Romans 8:9, 1 Corinthians 2:10-14, 1 Corinthians 12:3, 2 Peter 1:19-21. 1 John 5:6.
Apologia are dismissing the Latter Day Saint testifying of what he knows to be true because the Holy Ghost has borne witness to him of the truthfulness of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and its doctrine. Apologia don’t have the Holy Ghost at all so they rely solely on their interpretation of the scriptures hoping to gain a knowledge of the gospel that way. The Bible testifies of why the Holy Ghost is needed and must be had by the true church of Jesus Christ; Luke 24:32, John 14:26, John 15:26, John 16:13, Acts 1:2, Acts 5:32, Romans 8:9, 1 Corinthians 2:10-14, 1 Corinthians 12:3, 2 Peter 1:19-21. 1 John 5:6.
The Bible doesn’t actually teach the imputation of Christ’s righteousness to anyone. It teaches that where faith is exercised grace may be added to provide salvation. Ephesians 2:8. And by doing the works of righteousness we may ourselves become righteous like Christ; 1 John 3:7.
The street preachers need to use the word “exalted” not “saved” that is the language that says all will be with God by Grace alone (to the Mormon)They should profess “exaltation” through Grace alone! Mormons have just made up a word to explain “their” earned works!!! In fact if the LDS ever admits Grace alone…they lose all control over ever soul! That was Lucifer’s plan…to “make” us return to God, for Lucifer’s own glory…thru HIS works! 😐 there is no gratitude when we are proving our own worth!!!!
The third article of faith does not mean obedience is what saves. Christ saves. And the idea of Christ saving us totally and completely is foundational to what we believe as members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. What the article of faith means is that Christ sets the conditions on what he requires of us in order for him to save us. He did the saving. But he set the terms on what he expected. And what he expects us to do is to be obedient to his commandments. We believe one day Christ will stand before God the father as our advocate to plead our cause and reasons why he saved us. He will be able to explain that we were obedient to Christ (albeit not perfectly but tried our best) and as part of that obedience we engaged in a process of repentance (spiritual development to learn the attributes of God and put forth effort to develop those attributes). Then the father will honor Christs plead for us to be saved. Now our efforts didnt earn a single thing. But it demonstrated to Christ that we would try to comply what he asked of us. Its the least we can do to show our faith in him. But again, he did all the work of salvation. We simply comply to meet what he asks and to show him we have faith in him.
"learn the attributes of God and put forth effort to develop those attributes"
Really? So how are you doing at learning to be omni-present?
"and put forth effort to develop those attributes). Then the father will honor Christs plead for us to be saved"
The word "Then" is where you go way off against what the Bible teaches and you can't see it.
He did all the work "BUT" you have to be worthy by faith + works (that is adding works). That is not the gospel and that is not what James 2 is talking about.
The gospel is God saves by grace by making us alive in Christ even though we were dead... Eph. 2:5. Dead men can "put forth effort". So He did it before we did anything. Post Salvation and as new Creation in Christ I have good works given to me as a gift (Eph. 2:10) that are the fruit and evidence that my faith is alive as James says.
For the Mormon works are conditions to be met, for the Christian works are the natural result of becoming a new creation in Christ.
@@AdamsTaiwan read my comment again. We do not believe our works save us. We believe Christ does ALL of the saving. And when I spoke of learning attributes I was referring to learning faith, hope, charity, kindness, loving truth and righteousness, etc. I'm not Mormon. That nickname others gave us is a distraction from my beliefs as a Christian. We worship Christ, he is our role model and Savior. And we don't believe in "sola Scriptura" which man invented. The bible was compiled by the Catholic church, not by prophets and apostles. The Lord never meant for a man made doctrine of sola Scriptura to exist. There was an apostasy, the church of Christ with its' authority ceased to exist. Man began to create its own version of Christianity and so it was essential for Christs church to be restored. And God did restore it through raising up the prophet Joseph Smith to begin an ongoing restoration of all truths that will culminate in the return of Jesus Christ where all remaining truths will be made known while Christ reigns on the earth for a thousand years. We look forward to that day.
@@anichols2760Yes, I know that is what you have been taught. Sorry, but none of it is true.
Like I said, you have to meet conditions/terms, but Christ died for unworthy enemies.
You need to be clear about the attributes because Christ has God attributes which we can never have (incommunicable) and those we can (communicable).
You must be young. When I was young and I asked someone from the LDS faith, are you a Christian? the response was no, I'm a Mormon. So I don't believe we gave the nickname.
The Catholic (Universal) church which was just the group of Christians in local gatherings (not an organization like the Roman Catholic church or LDS) received the letters from the apostles, made copies and passed them around. The Church did not decide what to put in the Bible, but rather recognized what were the books. Like reading a thermometer instead of setting the temp. Dan. 9:24-27 tells us that vision and prophecy would be cease in 70 weeks which ended shortly after the 70 A.D. So no new revelation after that.
Jesus said in Matt 16:18 that His Church would be built and not overpowered. It has always had a remnant that remained true. Christ is the authority and living head of His Church. He is reigning now and when He returns He will deliver up the Kingdom to the Father. 1 Cor. 15:24
Jesus said in Matt. 24:35 that His words would never pass away and in Prov. 30:5 Every word of God is flawless and to not add to it.
Since Joseph Smith failed the test of a prophet Deut. 13:1-4, 22:18, and there is no new revelation Dan. 9:24-27 and he disobeyed Christ's command to ignore a different gospel revealed in Gal. 1:6-10. we must reject anything he says.
@@anichols2760 The concept of Sola Scriptura, which means "Scripture Alone", is supported by several verses in the Bible. Here are a few key ones:
1. **2 Peter 1:3-4, 20**: These verses suggest that the Bible contains everything one needs for salvation and godly living¹.
2. **1 Corinthians 4:6 and Mark 7:6-9**: These verses point to the sole authoritative status of the Word of God².
3. **2 Timothy 3:16-17**: This passage affirms that all scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness³.
4. **2 Peter 1:21**: This verse affirms the divine inspiration of scripture, and so its ultimate authority³.
These verses collectively support the idea that Scripture alone is sufficient for understanding the will of God and the path to salvation.
@@anichols2760 This is from the LDS site:
“And what is ‘all we can do’? It surely includes repentance (see Alma 24:11) and baptism, keeping the commandments, and enduring to the end. Moroni pleaded, ‘Yea, come unto Christ, and be perfected in him, and deny yourselves of all ungodliness; and if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness, and love God with all your might, mind and strength, then is his grace sufficient for you, that by his grace ye may be perfect in Christ’ (Moro. 10:32).”
Grace is conditional on what you must 'do'. If you 'do' something this is called a 'work'. This is works salvation.
Apologia are now saying that the devil telling Adam and Eve they could become like God is the exact same lie that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints teaches its members now. However in the Bible the devil only tempts Eve, not Adam, and there was no lie when the devil told Eve they would be as the gods if they partook of the fruit in Genesis 3:5 as confirmed by God in Genesis 3:22. Apologia know their erroneous talking points far better than they know what the Bible actually says. The only lie that the devil told to Eve was that she would not die.
Apologia say that the Bible says Jesus did create Lucifer, but they get that from one of their convoluted exegeses. The Bible doesn’t say Jesus created Lucifer at all.
Apologia says that it’s only Jesus alone that we need for our salvation and that ordinances aren’t needed for salvation. But Apologia simply refuse to believe in anything that Jesus and his apostles commanded us that we should do. They only believe in their interpretation of the Bible and being anti-The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
John 21:17 He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
So was Peter going to be saved if he fed the sheep? Feeding the sheep had nothing to do with Peter being saved. It was something Jesus was asking Peter to do. What concerned Christians are telling members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is that they should stop feeding sheep because they are saved by grace. We are saved by grace after all we can do. That does not mean we should stop doing anything and put our faith in false doctrines of sectarian churches. We should still do all we can do. Peter did all he could. He could have kept fishing, but he became a fisher of men instead because Jesus asked him to do that. Mosiah 2:21 If ye should serve him with all your whole souls yet ye would be unprofitable servants. Just because we are unprofitable servants does not mean we should stop doing what Jesus Christ asks us to do.
Apologia say the thief on the cross proves salvation is not conditional upon an ordinance like baptism. But they don’t know that the thief hadn’t repented and been baptised before being arrested and put on the cross.
With all due respect, nowhere in the NT does it say God poured out his wrath on Christ.
Wow he said Baptism is not essential. That is the most important thing in the gospel.
John 1: 1-3 “Without him was not any thing made that was made.” You left out the “that was made” part in your quote, telling us that there were things that were not made. Christ created all things is referring to what needed to be created. If you say Jesus (or God) created Satan, you are creating a huge philosophical problem for yourself-one that drives many to atheism-that God created evil. You make The Problem of Evil much worse --a real festering problem that is solved by the true gospel
In numerous instances, the Bible explicitly speaks of mortal men and angels as being the “sons,” “children,” and “offspring of God.” The scriptures additionally reveal more subtle implications of our shared divine sonship to the Father, by distinguishing Jesus’ Father as “our Father.”
If the premise is given that angels, mortal men, and the Savior Jesus Christ are all “children of God,” then it would be perfectly reasonable to conclude that Lucifer was Jesus’ brother; for he too (though now a fallen angel) was among the sons of God. Job 1:6 is one of many passages that can be used to substantiate this doctrine. We read: “Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.”
Scripture does not teach in salvation by faith alone. In fact just the opposite; James 2: 17-- "faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone." Let's be honest, ALL faiths have something you must DO to QUALIFY for salvation, even if it is simply believing, otherwise all would be saved. The extent of this qualification is what separates them. For Mormons we qualify by faith, repentance and baptism. We do not and cannot earn it. We also must endure to the end. (Mark 13:13) Our “works” do not replace the atonement of Jesus Christ one iota. But Jesus did not preach easy-believism. Our complete discipleship is required.
36:14. Satan’s lie…. You are so right! Satan lied to Eve in the garden: Genesis 3:5… “For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.”….
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It was such a huge lie that for extra emphasis, Satan repeated the lie In Genesis 3:22: “…Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:”
Wait… what? The beginning of verse 22 says “And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil…”???
So it’s the LORD GOD speaking in verse 22, not Satan?
Now I’m confused…. Why would the Lord God agree with Satan’s lie in verse 5: “…and ye shall be as gods,…”. ???
It’s funny that God is agreeing with Satan about Adam and Eve becoming as gods, knowing good and evil. Strange…
You guys know Muslims believe Jesus is the Messiah right?
One of Gods title is the invisible God so did Jesus create God?
Says a non member!
6:09 the person that crossed walking a dog gaydar
The mormon guy Grace talk is correct, and the piano lesson example is good. By Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ we are saved, without his Grace we cannot be saved. James talked about Faith and works. It is not faith alone as most reformed protestants believe..
The audience the book of James was written to is:…………already saved (exalted) believers in Christ. James is not telling the unsaved how to get saved. James is pointing out if you are already saved THEN your fruits will show it before men.
I am LDS. Here is the answer. Jesus Christ did in fact create everything that was made. We do believe this. But Jesus Christ did NOT create Lucifer because he was NOT created. It is in our scriptures that all of us are eternal and that intelligences (the part of us that is makes us who we are) cannot be created nor destroyed. This is found in the LDS scripture called Doctrine and Covenants. Thank you.
The scripture says "all" things. That would be everything except God Himself.
The scripture has instructed those who know it's truth to reject any revelation about God that is different than what was first revealed. Deut. 13:1-3 So we reject anything coming from Joseph Smith.
The scripture has revealed in Dan. 9:24-27 that vision and prophecy would cease after 70 weeks which is what happened after 70 A.D. roughly. We know that time as 69 weeks until Christ's ministry, Christ was cut off in the midst of the week 3.5 years, bringing an end of sacrificial system.
So true, they. get hung up on one thing that they think is correct and run with it even though it is false.
So, the guy that gets drunk every Saturday night, has one night stands ever chance he gets and is a homewrecker, but comes crying in the chapel pew every Sunday is "saved and forgiven?"
If you say "yes," you're denying the Bible itself. If you have doubts of that, there are many Biblical scriptures which support this, but you need only refer to the Epistle of James.
If you say "no, he's not saved" then you believe the Bible and would also agree with the tenets of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Matthew 7:21
[21] “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. (ESV)
Just because someone says the words "Lord I believe" doesn't necessarily mean that man is automatically saved. True faith is transformative; it causes the sinner to abhor sin and to truly love God. A man with truly transformative faith will do good works as a manifestation and to praise the God that first saved the sinner.
Now pastor Wade is 100% correct; God can bestow this transformative faith, the man may die the next moment, and he is saved in the kingdom of God to God's glory. There is no work outside of this transformative faith that can save you. Nothing you say, do, think, donate, or affirm will save you, except for by the faith that God himself provides.
Did you listen to the whole conversation?
Luke 18:9-14
9 To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: 10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people-robbers, evildoers, adulterers-or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’
13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’
14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”
Google Mormon doctrine vs Christian doctrine. You'll see the LDS have scripture together better than the other churches. This is proof that Latter Day Saint scripture is from above.
Say what? You really need to stop taking the drugs!
What Google is your god now?
They were doing so well until they presented a false gospel to the Mormons!!
The Bible does not say faith alone in Jesus Christ. The only place the New Testament says the phrase “faith alone” is in James chapter 2 but it says man is NOT saved by faith alone.
Read Romans 3, 4, and 5. And Galatians 3 and 4. You are not understanding the meaning of James 2.
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@@apologiautah sorry, you are not understanding the meaning of James. Read Matthew 25:31-46. If you say you have faith and believe in Jesus, but don’t do good works you will be judged to hell. You need both Faith and Works.
Roman’s is about works of the law which can not save us. Jesus commands us to do Christian works. You are confusing the two.
Again, James directly says man is not saved by faith alone. To say that man is saved by faith alone is a false gospel and contradicts Jesus.
and those guys called themselves christians with that attitude ..they just want to catch wrong with then
what's wrong with their attitude?
They are Christians, they are preaching the gospel to those Mormons who are lost and are believing a gospel that cannot make you right with God. Only the gospel of God revealed in the Bible alone can make someone right with God.
They are just doing exactly what the Mormon cult missionaries do which is sharing their beliefs. Time for you to get off your high horse and chill out. The only difference is the 2 Christians are far more educated than the 2 Mormons.