How To Build French Drain by Masive Tree Negative Slope NO Storm Drain - Beat Tree Roots Full Proof
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- How To Build French Drain by Masive Tree Negative Slope NO Storm Drain - Beat Tree Roots Full Proof
When it comes to yard drainage, few challenges are as daunting as dealing with massive tree roots and negative slopes-especially when there’s no storm drain in sight. In today’s blog, we dive into a comprehensive guide on how to tackle these issues head-on, ensuring your landscaping remains pristine and functional, no matter the obstacles.
Understanding the Terrain:
Our project takes place in a residential yard plagued by water accumulation due to ice and heavy rains. The presence of large tree roots and the lack of proper slope made traditional drainage solutions ineffective. Our goal? To implement a robust French drain system capable of handling the yard's unique challenges while protecting the home’s foundation from water damage.
Step-by-Step Guide to Installing a French Drain by Massive Tree Roots:
1. Planning Your Route:
The first step in any drainage project is to carefully plan the route of your French drain. In our case, navigating around a large tree with extensive roots required strategic thinking. We conducted a thorough inspection to determine the path of least resistance, avoiding major roots to minimize damage to both the tree and the drainage system.
2. Choosing the Right Materials:
For a project like this, not just any pipe will do. We opted for high-octane, armored pipes known for their durability and ability to withstand pressure from above-perfect for areas under tree roots. These pipes are less likely to compress or break when burdened by underground stresses.
3. Digging the Trench:
With the path marked, we began digging. The trench was carefully excavated to ensure a flat bottom, which is crucial for the proper function of a French drain. Precision here prevents water pooling within the trench itself.
4. Laying the Pipes:
Once the trench was ready, we laid down non-woven geo-textile filter fabric. This fabric helps prevent soil from clogging the pipes while allowing water to pass through. Next, we placed our armored pipes along the trench, ensuring they were slightly sloped towards the discharge point to facilitate water flow.
5. Addressing the Tree Roots:
Massive tree roots can pose a significant threat to the integrity of drainage systems. To handle this, we carefully cut through smaller roots and rerouted the drain around the largest ones. This approach minimizes tree damage and maintains the health and stability of both the tree and the drain system.
6. Backfilling and Restoration:
After the pipes were installed, we backfilled the trench with gravel to aid in water filtration and covered it with the same filter fabric to create a fully encapsulated system. This setup ensures that even if roots grow back, they're less likely to penetrate the pipes. Finally, we restored the landscape, replacing the sod and ensuring everything blended seamlessly with the existing yard.
7. Final Adjustments and Clean-Up:
To finish off, we installed cleanouts and vents at strategic points along the system. These allow for easy maintenance and ensure the system remains functional, even under heavy leaf fall in autumn. The final touch was adjusting the landscape around the new drainage to ensure it was aesthetically pleasing and functional.
Challenges Overcome and Lessons Learned:
This project taught us several valuable lessons:
Flexibility is Key: When dealing with natural obstacles like tree roots, flexibility in planning and execution is crucial.
Quality Materials Matter: Investing in high-quality, durable materials like armored pipes can prevent future problems.
Preventative Measures are Essential: Installing cleanouts and using filter fabric can drastically reduce maintenance needs and increase the longevity of the drain.
Conclusion:
Building a French drain around massive tree roots, on a negative slope, without access to a storm drain, presents a unique set of challenges. However, with careful planning, the right materials, and a detailed understanding of the landscape, it’s possible to create an effective drainage solution that stands the test of time. Whether you’re a DIY enthusiast or a professional contractor, the techniques discussed here will help you navigate similar challenges in your projects.
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Crazy good work, cant even tell where they laid everything out.
Thank you
did the guys do a beautiful job?
How do you keep the guys so motivated? Do they get paid by the job or hourly? I don’t mean to be asking personal questions but I’ve been on jobsights for 25 years. Your crew works really well together
You share with the wealth. They get bonuses on top of their hourly wage, which is already generous.
As always....great work and video! Excellent!
2 questions: On a shallow dig, why not use 6 inch perf pipe just to ensure that you get as much intake to the french drain as possible? On the side where you had to convert to all solid pipe, could you widen the trench just in that area to allow more surface water to percolate down through the sand/stone/fabric to ensure no water runs off onto their drive way?
First, the question about the 6-inch pipe: it's too tall. I'd rather have a sleeper drain with two 4-inch pipes side by side. Second question: we're already wider than the competition. They narrow it down to one pipe. We're two pipes wide. I think we've done exactly what you described.
@@FRENCHDRAINMAN Gotcha and appreciate it. Heard on your competition, I just meant widening it to 3 pipes wide in that area. Either way, looks like a great install!
Awesome video and install 💪
Thank you.
Make sure to use a small stone when you pull this move because you want the small stone to fall deep into the trench along the sides of the solid pipe.
Good work.
Wow.... so well done, so professional ! Curious, one of my downspouts discharges directly to a concrete driveway so burying it right in front is not an option... However, it can do an immediate 90 degrees to the right to a flower bed, all to the right of the downspout.. . How does this work with your kit ? Is your 3 inch flexible pipe flexible enough to make a 90 degree turn FAST from the downspout cleanout filter ?
Yes, our 3" corrugated pipe will bend into a 90° very user-friendly.
Amazing job
Thank you
Some kind of end cap on the discharge pipe in the culvert, to keep critters out?
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love the information, have learned a lot. Got a couple of questions, I am looking at draining my swamp of a back yard, no slope. I will be going to a sump system. The top soil layer is Houston Black Clay, and about 18" down it switches to Caliche. I have 4 runs about 200' so if I use a 1 percent slope, I will be dropping 2'. what depth should I start the French drain at? I see varying opinions of 8" to 24", I don't want to start deeper than I need to. I could not find how to determine how far to space the drains, I am planning on having 4 drain runs about 25' apart, is this a good spacing? also what width are your normal trenches that hold 2 pipes?
We break the clay out with a 9" bucket. The breakout is 12" wide. Start your trench at 8" deep. My limit is 25' apart, and we often do that with great results.
Beautiful job and demonstration. How deep do you typically dig a trench for a double french drain and solid pipe on top of it? Is just a foot enough?
We are 14" deep for triple packs and 16" deep for Quad packs
@@FRENCHDRAINMAN Perfect, thanks man. I just got my big order and I'm going to do mine in a few weeks. I'll try to get before and after videos during rain storms and I'll send it to you. Free advertisement 🤣
Wish yall where here in Greenville, SC
Nah... we want to keep him here "up north" ! :)
Well done. If I may ask, what does a job like this cost? As always thanks for the video.
Bigger jobs are typically 10k-20k
What is best practice when you have ALOT of trees in the area you want to french drain? Ie a property that is in middle of the woods. Is the only option a swell with rock? Or also do the pipe but know it will fail eventually. I would rather move the water then it sit in swell to stop sub water entering. Goal is to capture surface and sub water at perimeter so yard can be enjoyed.
Dig a ditch.
@@FRENCHDRAINMAN Other than an aggressive slope is there any other additions to a ditch that will move the water? Woven geotextile? Just want to avoid ditch holding any water.
What is the white pipe for?
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@@FRENCHDRAINMAN Thank you! It's a 3"+. Last year our basement was flooded. Window well (metal well) got rusted & separated from foundation wall. Plan to replace it.
1) What is a good window well to replace with? Should I put another galvanized metal corrugated window well or make it from bricks or blocks or another material?
2) the 3" corrugated pipe will go under the walkway path. We use the walkway to take our mower and will drive Mini Skid Steer, like Ditch Witch SK1550 & Mini excavator over it to build a retaining wall. What should I use to prevent from drainage pipe to be crushed from the weight of the Skid Steer & Mini excavator driving over/across it? I'm thinking to put a big paver or mini slab to make a bridge over the pipe to distribute the weight. What would you recommend?
3) For a retaining wall about 3' - 4' high, should we put French drain at the side where the earth holds or under the wall where no earth/dirt/ground?
4) How to protect steps from lower level of the retaining wall to the upper level from becoming a big channel for water flow? How and where do we put drainage around steps? We plan to make steps in 3 locations of the retaining wall.
5) Where to dump the extra dirt left over the project?
How long till that tree chokes the pipes?
😂 no shit
That's the million-dollar question. We cut out so much root so that we could fit two 4-inch pipes in that trench. It definitely helps to have such a wide trench with that much root removed. It'll be a while.
Are these drains jet-able?
Yes, that's why we put in so many access points. Cleanouts are everywhere.
It’s amazing that you can do 2 jobs a day.
You gotta put a small job on with a job this size.
16:40 - what will the capacity of that drain be without any perforated pipe? About 50%? I guess 50% capacity is fine 99.9% of the time? When will you miss that perforated pipe in the ditch? When will you wish you had one, and not just the stone?
From what I have seen, a perforated pipe is for absorbing ground water and moving it to the end destination of the pipe. The stone is for allowing water to soak back into the surrounding ground so that it doesn't create a flood in the area. So each have their place and use case.
I am by no means a professional, but that's what it seems like to me.
The pipe is basically making a large void through the stone that water will follow because water travels the path of least resistance. Having just the stone with no pipe will still work because water will still travel through the voids in the stone toward the discharge end but having the pipe in the stone does make it more efficient. But like Robert said that tree in the front yard would just fill that perforated French drain pipe up over time and it would become useless anyway and water would still just be traveling through the stone only in that area around the tree. Trees are our number one biggest problem with drainage systems. I have been working on drainage systems both sanitary and storm for only 10 years but have seen tree roots get into every type of pipe and system imaginable. It’s truly impressive.
@@StormWaterDrainageSolutions RE: does make it more efficient
Obviously. But what if I can tolerate some puddles while it is raining, and just wait a half hour for it to drain? Why do we always have to have a drainage pipe everywhere? A gravel ditch wrapped in fabric should have a huge capacity without a drain pipe I would expect. Obviously, will have to wait a little bit for it to drain it all ones in a while. But after a while, the water should be gone.
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