The Pros & Cons To Quarantining Fish and Coral
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Travis, no one can argue about your ability to maintain a successful reef tank which is very evident in your videos. I agree with you on the need to quarantining fish and that there are different levels of QT from just observation to actively treating . But I disagree with you on prophylactic treatment with copper. In your analogy with the newborn infant, the doctor confirmed the disease before starting treatment. With any treatment it is about risk vs. benefit. While copper is effective, studies have shown it is also very toxic to the fish so therefore it should not be the first line in the treatment. If an infant had an infection, one would not go directly to chemotherapy or radiation to fight the infection. I am not going to continue to give my opinions on here because I think people should make their own based on the information available. Below I provided some links for your and your viewers consideration. bit.ly/2HPxZdH bit.ly/2Bh5eRz
FishOfHex Aquatics there's a channel called Rico's Aquarium we bought 4 fish are we did what they call pop and drop we lost all of them we were referred to you by a great UA-cam channel and we're sure glad we found this great informative information that you share on your awesome UA-cam channel we will be staying tuned for your next video updates
I actually think this is the best video I have seen on the ethics of quarantining. People need to take responsibility with animals.
I agree Travis. I learned the hard way that Quarantine is very important. Since then you’re channel is one of the 3 channels that have helped me the most in building my reef tank and just learning nonstop. So thankful.
Travis great video, I will say that this hobby in my 14 years It has grown very fast and lots of good, bad and misguided info is out there. I have learned don’t do everything that someone else does unless you see there results. I was Quarantined for years know my lfs I have bought from is doing it for you and he is my go to guy for fish his fish are so healthy.My lfs doesn’t sell the fish till it is done with the quarantine process. My 2 cents is no what your buying, where your buying from and don’t buy on the fly know what to look for in healthy and none healthy fish.
Travis thanks for videos you are doing a great service to people that need the guidance.
Right on, man. It’s about time a popular UA-camr endorses quarantining with such assertiveness. Too many other popular youtubers are completely negligent about this, and lead so many inexperienced hobbyist down an awful path of disease and death for the creatures that we have a responsibility to do our best to preserve the life of.
So tired of the same worn out excuses from these youtubers like “ich is always present” bs... Just plain ignorant, lazy, neglectful, and impatient.
A under appreciated part of the hobby. A lot of UA-cam personalities are putting bad info out there. Idc if your fish store QT’s it’s your responsibility regardless.
Voice of sanity in this hobby! Thank you!
yeah don't ever pop and drop them just like the other guy does with a brand new tank.Quarantine! he's putting bad information out there RICO. I almost listen to him
Preach it Travis! Much respect for your viewpoint and glad you said what you did. I just got back into the hobby and can’t believe what some of these UA-camrs are telling people is okay to do. I’m just beginning to post videos again and I really want to make sure that my channel stresses the safety and health of our fish and coral. Keep the good videos coming!
Can’t wait for my tank to be ready for a nice fishofhex coral order!
The aquamedic fish trap works great for removing trouble making fish.
Great video, being a parent I couldn’t agree more with u about our fish and corals. Ur beautiful display tank says it all.
Man your reef tank is gorgeous😍💜💜🌿
And the truth shall set you free keep on being you I love the honesty and don’t ever feel guilty about that you are only making things better
Nice video. You 100% nailed it.
Well said Travis. Qt is a must. The only con is more work but that nothing compeared to lossing all your fish.
Bravo Travis, bravo! I'm a parrot guy, and I push the quarantine issue with them as well. And yeah, I've pissed people off. Ask me if I care. Glad that we feel the same way.
Love the rant these fish are our pets and we want the best for them!
Spot on info Travis, if you don't qt you are playing Russian roulette with your tank, you'll get away with not qt'ing for only so long before you eventually take the bullet. Believe me I know, our 125 gallon is now empty and we are slowly starting all over again because we were too careless with adding coral to our tank, we didn't even know what a vermetid snail was until they had overrun our tank, and they are virtually impossible to get rid of once you have hundreds of them spread everywhere.
You guys do realize that when Rico mentioned he pops and drops he said he doesn't advise everyone do it....he clearly says that's what he's been doing for years and he actually recommended quarantine for those who like that method.... you guys can listen to either or... be observant but make your own opinions....
Who said anything about rico? The video states many channels not one in particular.
The people in your comments section said a lot about Rico that's why I mentioned that.
About time!👊
You make lots of fair points that I completely agree with in principle. In my case I’m about to get a nano for my apartment. I do not have the space to build a Q setup for fish and coral. If I had my own house, which hopefully one day, I’d have a full Q setup in the basement but until then it’s a hard problem to manage. As a result dips it is. And discussing the LFS quarantine procedure.
I totally agree with this, not quarantining previously has really bit me in the butt.
Good video Trav! After I went fishless for 8 weeks because of ich, I’ll probably always qt my fish! Not worth the headache later on! Sorry I missed your call the other night. Phone was on silent.. I’ll give you a shout soon..
Great video Travis 👍 awesome way to explain all this in a way everyone should understand
YES!!!!!
Great analogy with the kids! And for all those who complain about that, suck it up adulting is hard work!
One more awesome video! 👌
Travis I totally agree. Since we take fish into our homes as pets, we should Really strive to make sure their new home (ie our tanks) are disease free (including ich). Its our responsibility since we are dragging them away from wherever they came from.. Though I do get that most people are busy, or don't have the money or space to set up quarantines etc. So my hope is that one day, all the animals are aqua-cultured. That way we can just buy all our fish 100% disease free, and at the same time it has less impact on our oceans etc.
I listen to people who have great tanks to back it up. Travis definitely does!
Hey Travis - awesome video. With the changing frag plugs do you change them before putting into the frag tank? Also it would be a cool to see you doing this process as I sure there are different techniques for getting different types of corals off the plugs - especially encrusting or an acro that has encrusted - thanks ;) Legend ;)
Always about the animals...first and foremost. I've been through a huge loss with velvet. I don't take chances any more.
Same with me
I have your frags here when you're done being a prick. Lmk
How snap! Bringing the heat!
To me there is no right or wrong way to do things in this hobby. If you find a way that works for you and your tank, thats what’s right for you. One thing I’ve learned in this hobby is to stop chasing numbers and stop following the leader. If quarantine works for you good if you don’t quarantine and it works for you good, there’s no right or wrong to me. Us as humans don’t take antibiotics before we are sick. If we did eventually the antibiotics wouldn’t work because they will be immune to the bacteria. If you understand that short version Lol.. excellent video from your perspective though. Nice reef too.
Very well put. I personally use Chloroquine for fish that aren’t copper friendly.
This is what it takes to be successful
I think very few people are going to do this process until they suffer. Unless people like yourself can spread this message across the board. In the freshwater world a guy like Cory with Aquarium Co Op is in a great position to help the next gen truly start with a proper QT and other practices that run on the same tract. I myself had to loose a pair of Frostbite Clowns to slow down and respect the animals and the process so I would succeed in the long run.
Social media and unfortunately the forums are full of people spreading absolute garbage that's treated as gospel when it comes to fish and coral QT. Thanks for calling some of it out.
Now Travis, you know very well pop and drop is the way to go.😂. Even though we all know it’s like playing Russian roulette. Eventually someone gets the loaded chamber. Seriously thanks for the down to earth common sense thoughts in your video. You are as always clear and to the point. Don’t change keep doing what you are doing. Thanks again for the common sense message. It’s sad how common sense isn’t so common.
Great video man!
Plop and drop. It was funny that a whole video was done by him for a store tour and how they QT yet he got ick and lost a tang and stated that he cured ick or kept it in control by feeding the fish meaty foods with garlic.
Completely agree with you. Keep up the good work. Your website looks great too.
Do you still do water changes even after so much luck with Chaeto?
Well said! I do believe you came up short on your child analogy, though. In most cases the parents already have up to a dozen kids at home, and all of them could possibly die too, if they choose to bring the new one straight home.
This~ I hate how people feel the lives of their fish are less important than all other sentient beings.
Amen Reverend!
You got it right !
Very well put. Personally I use chloroquine to Qt fish that are not copper friendly,in conjunction with prazipro- protocol. I totally agree with your perspective. On quarantine. Great advice comes from. bad experience. Cheers
Thanks for the truth great video
This was awesome Dude lol
Travis chasing away snowflakes since the beginning. Lmao
Hi Travis. Do you think you can make a video on how to get the corals off the frag plugs? I’ve seen videos on how to do this, but it’s always on some high end fragging machine like a Griffin and usually showing SPS which IME are easier to pull off the frag plug vs say a zoa or leather coral.
Straight up truth. Tank looks awesome man!
Thumbs up from me buddy, I QT everything wet for a minimum 8 weeks and "prophylactically" tank transfer with medication IE Prazipro or Paraguard and if required Cupramine is a last resort, usually i reserve its use for visibly sick fish that need treatment imminently. ps. I watched til the end, even thru the bitchin.... lol
Travis, what you say is true. We are taking care of is a pet, similar to a child or dog.
Truth
Lol there's a dude by the name of Rico's aquarium he loves to pop and drop I guess that's why he's on his third Achilles Tang 😀
Pop an drop...heard a guy on another channel say that as he was stocking a very large tank....dont follow him any more...QT is the only way to go...great video man
I used to believe if I bought all of my fish from LA DD that everything would be fine and I didn't quarantine fish or coral. A wise local reefer and friend finally convinced me otherwise and I started to quarantine everything, fish and coral. Even after extensive quarantine and treatment of fish while my display went fallow for 4 months, I STILL lost some fish I had for multiple years. All because I trusted a fish would be fine. I now quarantine all coral in a fishless tank for 3 months. Overkill? Probably..... But it is the ONLY way to guarantee ich does not get in to my display. All fish are quarantined and observed for at least 30 days. I proactively treat with 2 rounds of Prazipro and Cupramine if any ich is observed. This has served me well. I am coming up on the 1 year mark with my Achilles Tang and that is something not many people can say... IMHO it is more than worth when I see fish that are healthy and they don't HAVE to rely on their immune systems being in top condition to be healthy. Closed systems can quickly build up deadly proportions of parasites. NOT worth it. I will leave you with this. Would it be acceptable for your dog or cat to be consistently sick? Or acceptable to lose 1 or 2 while "learning" how to take care of them?
That yellow eye kole tang looks awesome. How old is it?
Say it loud, say it proud my brother!
Lmao. Keeping it real
I was given a tang. He is so skinny. He runs the tank now. Hoping he fattens up. Tang loves the clowns no aggression but he is so skinny. Didn't quarantine him, still pannicking but nock on wood a lotta food and a quiet tank he will fatten up.
I always quarantine my fish with copper for 6 weeks, but a question I always wonder: when you transfer the fish from the Quarantine tank to the display, do you do any precaution in case traces of copper follow into the display? I know it could be tiny amount, but with many inverts and corals could be very sensitive to copper in the display in many system, what is your normal practice?
Dude the analogies are great the vid was very well done , totally informative the aquarium keeps looking a little better every time I see it, can’t agree more about Qt ing. Maybe it’s inappropriate maybe not I think reef2reef has a great chart for Qt -meds and fish compatibility, examples chloroquine hypo and prazipro ( my personal preference) copper, tank transfer method etc. I’ve found it has helped me with lowering mortality rates saving heartache and $.
i can't handle it man!!! hahahahahahahaahahahahah I love it, cheers
Can anyone ID the silver fish with yellowish orange tail? Thanks! Great video Travis!
The Collector Manos
How happy are you with monos? I wanted to get a few for my 450 gallon. My LFS said to not since they simply eat and eat (he had two different sizes for a great price)
Enjoyed the video...Would I be able to add a captive Bred goldstripe clown with chocolate domino clowns? I have read that captive bred fish are hardier and can be added with other clowns and would like your opinion.
Badass video Travis!!! I just started to quarantine EVERYTHING that goes into my main display. I finally got ick this past summer and it was terrible!! I went no fish for 10 weeks in main display and hyposalinity (1.009) for my fish for 8 weeks. I will never put anything into my main display again without going through quarantine. I was unsure about treating with copper, so decide to not try it. I recently had a clown die after 6 years....water quality had gone down due to a lot of travel and not being home. Would brook survive the hyposalinity??? Should I pull everyone out of my display and treat? Water is back to pristine parameters. Keep up the great work!!!! Love your content!!!
Thanks Excellent video well said!
Popped and dropped...
Haha, maybe I'm insensitive but I think you hit that subject right... but I get why you were expecting people to get pissed off. Not many people practice what they preach so keep doing it your way and if your haters may have more fuel but I hear 👍and 👎 count the same. 1 more thing, I wouldn't tear down a gorgeous tank over getting hit with a karma situation, I'm not the tang police lol.
I understand the logistic behind quarantining fish. But how do one run a coral quarantine?
Should it be one frag at a time? Cross contamination through quarantine is as mush a risk as main display contamination.
As to the very sensible nature of some corals, does one need to have another full circuit system for quarantining or could quarantine be achieved in a tank plugged onto the main display waterflow, with proper UV/O3 treatment to prevent sump contamination?
For how long should one quarantine coral/fish? I've read 2 to 4 weeks for fish and up to two months for corals.
Coral quarantine's aim being to remove parasites, should a second dip be done after quarantining and before putting it in the main display?
That's a lot of questions sorry, but I'm drawing a battleplan for a tank as pest-free as possible, and going full on CDC from the start seems to me like the best way to achieve this.
Any preference on copper power vs Cupramine?
Been reefing for 15 years never QT.
Then one Saturday replace one of my tangs with sick yellow Tang with ick, lost all my prize stock.
I will never add a new commer to my display without QT.
Never!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You can get away without QT for awhile but it will catch up with you.
Great video! Question for you... I just finished quarantine a fish and I have another one. I used prazipro because of flukes. I'm going to get another fish do I have to run carbon and take the prazipro out before adding or can i just add the fish with it on it. Running an air stone and wavemaker for plenty of gas exchange. Thanks @fishofhex
Do you ship to Canada 🇨🇦?
I understand both sides of you have an LFS that medicates and quarantines why would you need to do so? If you buy from an unknown source then yea definitely quarantine.
I am having terrible luck with tangs and copper. The minute I introduce a hint of cooper to the water, my tang(s) stop eating and if I continue they always die. I am NOT giving a full dose right away, more like a 1/4 dose and increasing it slowly every 24 hours. I am using Cupramine. Any advice? My setup is overkill for a home setup. I have Qty 15, 20 gallon long tanks. Each fish gets its own tank for ammonia dilution and just time to destress on there own.
This guy is so funny. "Thats the life of karma." I want to get another yellow tang but they seem more aggresive then other tangs. I'm not going to risk it, my Blue Tang, Cheveron Tang and Purple Tang are beautiful happy and healthy I don't want to upset that balance.
Rang the bell
preach it dude. P.S everyone Safety Stop is BULLSHIT
Hey nice video keep it up, what’s the name of the wrasse at 3:50?
What about Captive Bred Fish?
Tank looks great... Good straight talk.. Tough love. 👍. Gotta go, all this adult talk is too much, hehe ... 👍
Reef dad lays down the law...
Fish always should be quarantined. Period.
U seem a little pissed. We understand as hobbyists but at the end of the day we take care of these aquariums not only because we like them but at the end it’s about the money we spend and for something to die in a week because improper handling is foolish. Which we all made mistakes now I agree this video hit home but it had nothing to do with my reef tank. Besides if you’re not vegan killing a fish or two in the process of learning wont hurt u. Love the vid though thanks for that, this was bigger than fish in a glass box.
When you can, what you spell out is the most appropriate method. It isn’t enough to say, I have 20 or 30 years of experience. It has to have rationale and done with reason and purpose. Some science and rationale. Not good enough to say I speed and go 60mph in a 30mph zone and never had a problem because I’m a great driver and have 10-20-30 years etc of experience. All well and good until you get in a wreck and hurt yourself and or someone.
these fish and coral are live in animals
Tank is looking amazing dude! And yeah, pop and drop is the motto of a moron. How that is a smart “strategy” is well beyond me. But I guess if you have the money and you don’t care.....there it is.
I don’t know, but do some people just make a living off UA-cam. So they can say and do what they want. They are in one fashion or other being “supported”. Their hobby, their lifestyle etc.
Lol