pc player here, just wanna say "THANK YOU" for speaking out on this I don't care if you're playing on controller so long as you're enjoying yourself, it's the DOOM experience
"Doom Eternal is unplayable on controller" Laughs in completing TAG2 on nightmare with a base controller with drifting on the aiming joystick when it came out
Developers have said Eternal is designed to keep the player playing the game. I've beat Eternal on Nintendo Switch, and there's no way I can play Eternal on switch how players play on PC. I've played Final Sin and died continuously on Nightmare, and the game handicapped me because I was struggling, as the game is designed to do. These are the Facts. It's never been about "what's best" for the player. It's about people playing the game. It's not unplayable on controller; it's meant to be enjoyed on Mouse and Keyboard because of the Technology built into the game, the inputs required to play it, and the AI built into the game. I've beat Halo 2 on Legendary with a controller. I've been Doom (2016) on Nightmare with a controller. I'm not making comparisons. I'm stating facts: you're going to have a better gaming experience with a mouse and keyboard because of how the game is designed.
This really isn't particularly new or limited to Eternal. This is just the stupid PC vs Console argument that's been going on since forever. It's just bled into also the use of controllers since they're synonymous with consoles. I have no idea why they keep endlessly arguing this is beyond me and neither do I know how there are still people constantly adding to this pointless conversation. They're just screaming "mine is better than yours" at each other eternally. And it's not like the compromise is incredibly difficult, in fact it's easy and benefits everyone. They only have to agree that Peeps should just play with/on what they're comfortable with and within their means. That's not so hard is it?
The way I see it, the only disavantages playing on controller are not having access to mods nor you're able do those crazy speedrun tricks that skip large swats of the level. I do think PC is superior to console, even as someone who plays on Xbox. Though at the end of the day skill is a matter of who is behind the screen, not the device.
The mods thing isn’t a Controller issue, it’s a Console issue, because we don’t have Mods on Console. ;-; And actually lots of Speedruns tricks can be performed on Controller, though most of em are tied to higher frame rate so if you’re on Console (again nothing to do with controller) and you’re locked at 60 fps yeah you may not be able to do some tricks that you would on PC.
The increased airtime is harder to master but I agree. Console isn’t bad, but the “fancy tech” is the part that’s more difficult for controller. I’ve seen pc gameplay where they look like they stay in the air for days and get more lift out of their jumps and meathook combos, but it all just takes practice. Great video
Agree completely, played the game and completed it on both xbox and pc and I found nightmare way easier on pc only because m+k is my preferred control scheme. Its a meme among my mates how bad I am with a controller at fps and I honestly dont mind it. are there limitations to the controller? yes. can you play doom eternal with a controller? yes. people have completed UN on console where I have yet to complete it on PC. It is the player, not the hardware
I play without aim assist and my aim is nearly perfect on Doom, my problem is how slow and clunky the quick switching can sometimes be when my hands start getting tired lol
I play on pc for most shooters, but I oddly really wanna be able to play Eternal on controller. I did actually do a Nightmare run on gamepad...buuut I got all the way to the Taras Nabad Slayer Gate and gave up cuz of the difficulty spike. It seems totally doable, I just don't have the muscle memory for it. You don't NEED to constantly quickswap to win in the slightest. It's just about using the right weapons at the right times, along with all your other abilities. Console Slayers are another breed, man.
Turn off auto aim when playing games with controller, at least with games with 60fps or more. Aim assist in many cases hinder your aim. After not having it on many games since 2019 I've noticed my aim get amazingly better. I played alot of Siege, where there is no aim assist. Then I decided why not try turning it off in other games? So two shooters games, the other being CoD MW 2019, that year were my helping hand to try to improve my aim. As long as you fine tune settings to what you think is best, then that's good. I find having a much higher sensitivity and low deadzones help. So you can get used to the finer turning using minimal movements.
@@SirBigWater With respect, that doesn't make a lot of sense. Aim assist was created _for_ controllers. If you want to turn it off to practice your aim; go ahead. But to say that it hinders your aim over 60fps is absurd.
@@vhascometo9985 It does in many games. Because it's too strong. For example, Halo Reach on MCC has way too strong aim assist. It's harder to pull off shots I used to be able to.
dunno if it'd fully count but i had the same fluidity with the switch ver of doom eternal as the pc ver (speed between the two was way different for sure, but i didn't mind) everyone has their personal take but i wouldn't call console doom unplayable
“DOOM Eternal is unplayable on Controller” Me: Laughs in having done speedruns of Super Gore Nest Master Level twice. And having beaten Ultra Nightmare of all Campaigns and Master Levels of DOOM Eternal, and performing some of Sylar’s techs, and still getting better at the game everyday, all on Controller.
I used to bitch and complain about controller being at a disadvantage. Then I got-gud after realizing I wasn’t using the meathook correctly, now the sky is the limit. Nightmare achievements and master levels are all quite pleasant now.
I was always so confused when people said you cant quick swap on controller. I found it way easier to quick swap on a controller rather than mouse and keyboard. You can even ballista boost with one but ill admit its much harder
I am a controller player. Mouse and keyboard is better for Doom Eternal by all means. But the game is completely enjoyable and playable on a controller. I've beaten the base campaign on nightmare 20+ times, and both dlcs on nightmare too many times to count. I'm really sick of hearing the game is unplayable on a controller. I use a scuf controller now, which does give me an advantage, but 90% of my time with Doom Eternal was with a base Xbox 1 S controller.
For anyone who doesn't know, you can change how long you have to hold the weapon swap button before the wheel comes up. I'm incredibly new to Doom Eternal and shooters in general but this works pretty well for me (when I don't accidentally pull out and fire my bfg). It makes quick swapping much easier. I set mine to 90 ms because that felt like just a tiny bit longer than a regular button press. The only disadvantages this brings is that you can accidentally swap to the wrong weapon and you have to use your character control to swap. Hope this helped!
I did my first 5 playthroughs of Doom Eternal on a Duke controller. It’s one of the few shooter that feel amazing on a controller. Definitely nothing wrong with using a controller
as someone who plays on console I know from experience that any combo you can pull of on PC you can do on console yeah there's the weapon wheel but once you memorize where the weapons are placed it can take less than a second to switch
Another thing is people who say “Nintendo switch is unplayable” My first play through of both the main game and both parts of DLC were on switch,No problems with eather,All bugs I experienced were things that all platforms would see,And the visual downgrades were really only for stuff like small text and photos,But still,If the photos and text were 4K,They’ve only been downgraded to 1080p,So it’s hard to tell the difference for me
I know it's 2 years later but I always felt the biggest part of Doom is the challenge and with 20+ years of Counter-Strike in my bag it always felt like playing it with a mouse and keyboard completely trivialized the game. So yea, I might have the stupided reason ever but I played the game on pc, got bored, played it on the PS4 and loved it.
I’m a newcomer to boomer shooters in general and I’m used to playing with a controller. I’m open-minded to try and keyboard and mouse, but I’m not that great at it.
I'll admit that I have tried playing with a controller as a pc player and I definitively struggled. I did beat it on the switch though on ultra violence but I have to say it's fascinating that people can accomplish such feats on a controller.
The game is better on PC because mods, there is no argument there. Input method wise, do whatever you want, it is a singleplayer game after all, you are not letting your team down by playing "wrong".
It has not more than 1 week that I spend eternal doom in a nightmare with my xbox one control on pc the first time I play a doom and I finished it in 15 hours, I can say that it feels quite intuitive and comfortable with control, I need to add that no play with many weapons, used to always use the shotgun with grenade launcher :3
I feel that a big part of that claim comes from people who would have a mental breakdown if somehow they took away their ability to crank the FOV beyond the intended game's limits; they just can't fathom how someone can be good at Doom Eternal with a controller and regular settings.
Currently playing through a 100% nightmare run on switch, (yea, seriously,) and it is genuinely one of the most fun experiences I’ve ever had with a game. Tag1 gave me a whole lot of trouble on UV, but I’ve gotten a lot better now since then. Controller is good, controller is fun! Even Hugo prefers it!
If you watch old clips of Doom and Quake 1 tournaments, you can see a large diversity in control styles. (Mouse and Keyboard, Controller, Keyboard only, etc.) Even key bindings and hand positions themselves were very different from player to player. I don't see the issue with people using control styles that are most comfortable/convenient for his/herself.
Playing this game made me realize fancy "elite" controllers with extra buttons and stuff are overrated. I remapped jump / dash to LB / RB to have all my movement under control without taking thumbs off the sticks. I also learned to play with 6 fingers instead of 4.
As a controller player, I've beat the entire game on Ultra-Nightmare, placed on the leaderboards in Horde mode, in fact when I played this game everyday it was so easy that I beat TAG2 on Ultra the same day it came out. That doesn't mean it's GOOD. it's playable, but damn sometimes it sucks. All I could ask for is mouse and keyboard compatibility on console, at least to try it out.
Thats interesting. I have the complete opposite opinion regarding classic Doom vs Doom Eternal. I think classic Doom (though specifically the Unity ports) is one of the few FPS games where a controller is totally fine, since youre only aiming horizontally. Eternal has a lot of verticality and I think this works against a dual stick setup.
As a Xbox player, Controller is rather easy to learn once you get the hang of muscle memory. I can quick switch almost as fast as a pc player (Depending on whether I'm in "the Doom Dance" or not, sometimes you cannot help but make a few chokes here and there.). But I admit controller has its disadvantages compared to kb/m, but so does controller over kb/m in aim assist. This doesn't lessen the skill gap what so ever. It only makes sense that there is something to balance the two inputs.
as a long time PC gamer, i prefer playing on the couch with a gamepad, mostly because i have a desk job, last thing i want to do at the end of the day is come home and sit at another computer desk
As a controller user primarily. It such a dumb complaint. I've mastered the game and I can ballista boost quick swap etc etc. I even beat the game on ultra nightmare easily. The only problem with controller really is when switching there's a brief 1 second frame of changing weapons which can be annoying but you can trim it down to where it's barely noticeable. Other then that controller works just fine for eternal. Anyone that says other wise needs to burn in the lava pits of nekravol
I play doom eternal on pc but I use a controller because for me personally it is easier. Also at the time I got doom eternal I used it with a mouse for only like 2 levels until the mouse started to run out of battery, so I used my controller and because I used it for all of the following missions I got better with that so I suck at keyboard and mouse because I didn’t practice it. I haven’t finished Doom eternal yet because I haven’t had time. But I have a blast playing it. Thank you for making this video and defending the controller player community (I also played a tiny bit of Doom eternal on my Xbox before I got it for pc)
Hearing people constantly saying the same thing really does get annoying. I play on ps5, and am completely capable of playing without feeling restricted. Yeah quickswapping isn't as easy, but I barely notice since I know where everything on the weapon wheel is. I can flick my thumb to switch, and I never even think about it cuz I do it so fast. I had to get really good at quickscoping without snap aiming, but I did. As for ballista boosting, I just don't care about it.
As a traditional keyboard and mouse user, someone who normally plays shooters on PC... I played Doom Eternal all the way through with a controller. I liked it. Even played it without auto-aim on ultra nightmare. Loved it. Couldn't imagine playing it with a keyboard and mouse and still have yet to try.
I grew up playing m&k, it's hard for me to play a fps on controller in general. I own both doom 2016 and doom eternal on PC and switch. Everything else is fine, but aiming and climbing a ledge are the only things I find difficult with a controller in this game.
Hi I'm also a pc player but a console player aswell, controller players can do the same thing as pc players, we just have to train more to get the right aim point that we are able to physically do the same, such as quickswapping and maybe one of sylar's combos. We have to train with one of the lowest delays as I'm pretty sure what it is called. We have to use 70 but training with it first is hard as when your tryna quickswitch the weapons show but we just need to practice. Anyways no matter what we play with, to be able to play games, we're enjoying the game experience
what's funny is that everyone acts like they play at a higher level because they're on mouse and keyboard, but also forget that people can't beat dark souls on controller while other people beat it on a dancepad. It isn't the tool, it's how you use it. A lot of people are just better with controllers than others. There's a lot of PC players who don't even know how to quickswap weapons. Great. You can aim more accurately on the whole, but you don't even play the game right. Meanwhile you see console players quickswap and shoot almost as accurately as some of the best on PC. The whole debate is pointless.
I play the original Dooms and their WADs on my work PC, which can barely run games from the 7th Generation, and play Eternal on the PS4, usually to the level of Ultra-Violence. PC purists need to understand that most of us can't afford to build a PC capable of running something like Eternal. Anyway, great video.
Humans have an issue where they don't want other people to have fun they want you to play a video game on the system that they play it on because they see it as Superior they don't want you to have fun on your console. Also when somebody says something people jump on the hate train they will just say it without actually testing it out or trying to figure out what they're talking about they'll just say whatever the other person said. This is the modern gaming culture it's no longer about gaming it's about how you game and what one person thinks about it.
Neither keyboard or controller even compare to the might of playing doom eternal on a switch in handheld mode. Ive been playing doom eternal with a default ps4 controller and I've never felt it was limiting my ability to succesfully play it.
I just bought DOOM Eternal on Steam this year on QuakeCon 2021 haven't finish it and I play it with PS 3 Controller ( I use SCP Toolkit btw ), I never enjoy playing game with M&K even it is a FPS game and I play it on PC, maybe just because using a controller since child, I don't hate M&K but if I playing game I much prefer controller and I feel more comfortable with controller, and when I see Hugo Martin stream DOOM Eternal using controller it make me happier as a controller user.
about classic doom i played it on the psp, cellphoone, pc, keyboard only and even on the ds touch screen and honestely it works fine from most of them since the game is so simple has generous auto aim and big hitboxes this "keyboard vs controler" thing is so stupid just use what you like and be done with it
On PS4 I beat Doom Eternal 100% achieved my platinum, then re-beat it on Ultra Nightmare. The only hard part was permadeath. Playing with a controller is much more preferred in my taste.
I play doom still to this day obsessed with this game only played on console for first 2 years and on pc it’s literally a totally different game it’s not unplayable on consol but once u play on pc and realize how much better the game really is with it makes it unplayable bc u try playing it like I’m on pc n cant
I'm really good on controller and the only problem which could be my fault but I can't get a good sniper and rocket quick switch without being a little clunky but besides that I'm good with ss and ballista
I've been playing on console for years and recently switched to PC a month ago and yes I do notice the difference in how fast you can do things on PC when it come to first person shooters like switching targets, Personally I like how you can use the mouse to aim more precisely than with a joystick on a controller because it's really hard to adjust and apply such a small increment to you're aim with a controller, But people saying that it's just unplayable with controller are definitely wrong, I'm terrible at first person shooters and I was fine with completing Doom Eternal on just a basic ass ps4, Sure I played on Hurt Me Plenty because I was just doing horribly on Ultra Violence but still the point is if someone as bad as me can beat this even if it's the normal difficulty then basically anyone who has played a first person shooter before can as well, People don't realize how big of a difference the higher difficulties offer I mean it took me a good week or two just to be "decent" at Ultra Violence and that's because you're asking for more of a challenge and you really have to think about what weapons should you use on which demon and it also forces you to be more careful with ammunition (Even though you can just use the chainsaw to get most of it back) This game is definitely playable on controller just like pretty much every other first person shooter is
Me right now playing on an underpowered 30fps mobile system and casually enjoying the game. Inverted controls, ultra-violence from the start just like I did with doom 2016 on the same platform. I'm currently on necravol it was slow because I have to complete 100 and backtrack each map. Accidentally played master level because I was curious.
Man I tried playing on controller, when I did I hated the game. Once I switched to PC it became one of my favorite games. I don’t care how you play it or what you like but for me playing it on PC changed my experience by a long shot
I don’t wanna get cocky, but it makes me upset when people say that you can’t can quick-switch and ballista boost on controller, because I can quick-switch and ballista pretty well on controller, and I feel like my controller skills are actually pretty on par with good PC players (When I’m warmed up), again, I don’t wanna get cocky.
I play with M&K on PC and I'm fine with people prefer controllers. What I don't understand is some folks in Doom community kept talking down to PC players that they ain't shit, M&K is too easy. You have to be on console with no more 60FPS cap. I mean, like, what??
Like you, I started on Console with Eternal. Had a pretty nice Scuff to play with it. Admittedly, couldn't imagine playing the game with a base controller. The paddles were pretty damn essential. I had extended sticks with stick extenders. It was ridiculous but it felt great. Fast forward, now I'm on PC. Played quite a bit with the controller still then -ultimately - I gave up and decided to relearn the game with MnK. There's a lot of things I like about MnK and there's a lot I don't. So the biggest thing I'm struggling with is basically the nuances of combat. Constantly changing weapon mods, flame belching, grenades THEN switching to Ice Bomb on top of trying to switch weapons with numbers. Ugh. When I was playing with controller, my thumb did all of that and it became muscle memory, but I feel like I'm playing a damn piano on keyboard. I just have weapons 1-5 specifically mapped to my liking. The rest I use the weapon wheel because I LITERALLY can't reach past 5. And the weapon wheel is ASS on PC. Complete dogshit. I was very fast with the weapon wheel on console but goddamn it sucks on PC. I have a default sized keyboard and I'm assuming that's the problem? Are people using MOBA mice? I like my extra thumb buttons on my mouse. I use that for melee and dashing. Just kind of having a rough time with some things and I'm open to suggestions/recommendations =)
Weapon wheel is ass on PC, you're right, but its also unnecessary. unbind weapon wheel as well as "next weapon" and "previous weapon". You can then bind Q to a weapon or something and bind mouse wheel up and mouse wheel down to separate commands, and if you use a mouse button for melee then you can also bind E to something else. I'd recommend keeping dash on left shift personally. You gotta use your pinky for left shift/ctrl. this could take a little getting used to but if you use ctrl for grenade anyways, then your pinky will normally already be right above ctrl if you have dash on shift. extra mouse buttons are good but not required. I have 6 buttons on the side of my mouse but they are equivalent to pressing 1-6 on the number row of the keyboard so I only really gain 1-2 bindings from that. I personally like it but I am not the fastest quickswapper in the world and sometimes frantically thumbing the buttons throws off my aim. You dont need to bind mousewheel scrolling to anything if you dont like it. I dont, I just have pressing middle mouse bound to switch equipment instead of being a second throw equipment button since reaching G is a little awkward. if you have important shit bound to 2 different keys, I'd generally recommend you have one binding instead so you can build the the muscle memory of using that key for that action and can do it without thinking. Unless you have a specific reason to have two bindings for one action. at the end of the day there is no one singular set of bindings thats the best. the goal is to have all of your weapons and abilities individually bound in a way thats comfortable for you and wont throw off your movement too much. so besides mouse buttons and number keys, good keys to bind are those located around wasd. so q, e, r, f, v, z, x, c, ctrl, shift, 1-4 or 5, and maybe T or G. adjusting to any new setup will take time, so give any configuration changes a go for a little bit and see how they work for you.
So yeah, like I said the previous upload. On controller, the FPS is lower. Which makes the experience worse, like if your trying to master doom eternal as a whole. That being said, I do thoroughly enjoy all doom games on controller, and always will. But that is a important factor.
"DOOM Eternal is Unplayable on Controller" My Nightmare Campaigns completed on a controller with drifting to the left: Allow us to introduce ourselves.
Ppl just love to make excuses. That's a big issue in modern gaming. Everyone complains and throws every excuse out there when they can't do good at something.
I started doom 2016 with my console. When I switched to Pc I got so used to the ease of playing doom with controller that I couldn’t go to M&K. I do play every other FPS game with MK, but for some reason doom eternal flows better for me with the base controller. Now this is true because I got used to playing doom like this, to the point I do ultra nightmare runs with ease. But everyone is different. Use whatever feels natural
Exactly why I will play this game on console anyway, even on my Switch Lite. I don't give a single shit if the frames aren't great, I'ma play the way I wanna play it, even with those people I know judging me for it, and I'll laugh when I prove that I can still play a badass game with a controller, and even if it's only 30 frames.
I played the game in PC, then beat it again console (nightmare) I really appreciate console forces you to play smarter. Quick swapping is such an insane DPS boost, that it can be a bit of a clutch. I think I came out of my console run a better player, and brought those skills back to PC for extra sweaty try hard runs.
the point where controller vs keyboard and mouse really only affects pro level of game and maybe a bit below that anything a keyboard and mouse player can do a controller player will most likely be able to do too There is no real skill gap until you get to high levels of play
I played on PC at release (multiple runs), but I recently started a playthrough on my fiancée's XSS whilst she plays something on my PC. I'm on Hurt me Plenty due to not having much experience in FPS games with controller, and it honestly feels like Ultra-Nightmare! Definitely more to do with my questionable controller skills than the equipment being unsuitable though. LilAggy's rock band drum kit/dance mat Sekiro runs should show people that anything is possible. He even did it blindfolded.
I have beaten Doom Eternal 3 times on Nightmare with a controller with relative ease. I still prefer pc, but playing on controller is like you said, fine.
Let's just accept the harsh reality that....
Lightningbreak is just insanely jealous of my controller quickswaps
True story
I mean, what pc player wouldn't be jealous
Oh wait
Dead K3y
True
Lightingbreak is cringe
Haha teasing aside though I love the guy. He's a really nice person and both him and his mother are unfathomably talented.
pc player here, just wanna say "THANK YOU" for speaking out on this I don't care if you're playing on controller so long as you're enjoying yourself, it's the DOOM experience
Exactly people shouldn’t be shamed for their input choice
Just like playing with Hack N Slash with keyboard.
"you're enjoying yourself" LMAO
im enjoying the "game" buddy
I defeated doom 2016 and doom eternal on ultra violence. I broke, one controller.
@@Hateful_Rex what
"Doom Eternal is unplayable on controller"
Laughs in completing TAG2 on nightmare with a base controller with drifting on the aiming joystick when it came out
Exactly my point it’s not unplayable
laughs in all campaigns complete in nightmare with vase controller
we are ELITE
*laughs* haha I’ve evolved to play on switch with the joysticks I just use motion controls for help lol 😂
@@chasegonzalez5266 damn
Developers have said Eternal is designed to keep the player playing the game. I've beat Eternal on Nintendo Switch, and there's no way I can play Eternal on switch how players play on PC. I've played Final Sin and died continuously on Nightmare, and the game handicapped me because I was struggling, as the game is designed to do. These are the Facts.
It's never been about "what's best" for the player.
It's about people playing the game. It's not unplayable on controller; it's meant to be enjoyed on Mouse and Keyboard because of the Technology built into the game, the inputs required to play it, and the AI built into the game.
I've beat Halo 2 on Legendary with a controller. I've been Doom (2016) on Nightmare with a controller.
I'm not making comparisons.
I'm stating facts: you're going to have a better gaming experience with a mouse and keyboard because of how the game is designed.
This really isn't particularly new or limited to Eternal. This is just the stupid PC vs Console argument that's been going on since forever. It's just bled into also the use of controllers since they're synonymous with consoles. I have no idea why they keep endlessly arguing this is beyond me and neither do I know how there are still people constantly adding to this pointless conversation. They're just screaming "mine is better than yours" at each other eternally. And it's not like the compromise is incredibly difficult, in fact it's easy and benefits everyone. They only have to agree that Peeps should just play with/on what they're comfortable with and within their means. That's not so hard is it?
The Controller users do this kind of thing at other fourms, just take a look at no more heroes and ninja gaiden for example
The PC vs. Console argument started to get people bickering over bullshit, anyway. Just play the game.
Thats where it starts "mine"
Its because playing a game like Doom with a controller is an insult to the gameplay. Its like watching a 3D movie without wearing the glasses...
I agree, right now I am just stuck on deciding if I wanna play doom 2016 on Xbox with controller or on my gaming laptop with keyboard and mouse
The way I see it, the only disavantages playing on controller are not having access to mods nor you're able do those crazy speedrun tricks that skip large swats of the level. I do think PC is superior to console, even as someone who plays on Xbox. Though at the end of the day skill is a matter of who is behind the screen, not the device.
The mods thing isn’t a Controller issue, it’s a Console issue, because we don’t have Mods on Console. ;-;
And actually lots of Speedruns tricks can be performed on Controller, though most of em are tied to higher frame rate so if you’re on Console (again nothing to do with controller) and you’re locked at 60 fps yeah you may not be able to do some tricks that you would on PC.
weapon switching in doom 2016 and eternal is much better than weapon switching in classic doom on a controller I tried .
The increased airtime is harder to master but I agree. Console isn’t bad, but the “fancy tech” is the part that’s more difficult for controller. I’ve seen pc gameplay where they look like they stay in the air for days and get more lift out of their jumps and meathook combos, but it all just takes practice. Great video
Agree completely, played the game and completed it on both xbox and pc and I found nightmare way easier on pc only because m+k is my preferred control scheme. Its a meme among my mates how bad I am with a controller at fps and I honestly dont mind it. are there limitations to the controller? yes. can you play doom eternal with a controller? yes. people have completed UN on console where I have yet to complete it on PC. It is the player, not the hardware
Nothings superior to anything
I wouldn't say unplayable, I'd say not as precise when it comes to aiming.
I play without aim assist and my aim is nearly perfect on Doom, my problem is how slow and clunky the quick switching can sometimes be when my hands start getting tired lol
I play on pc for most shooters, but I oddly really wanna be able to play Eternal on controller.
I did actually do a Nightmare run on gamepad...buuut I got all the way to the Taras Nabad Slayer Gate and gave up cuz of the difficulty spike. It seems totally doable, I just don't have the muscle memory for it. You don't NEED to constantly quickswap to win in the slightest. It's just about using the right weapons at the right times, along with all your other abilities.
Console Slayers are another breed, man.
I mean I can quick swap pretty alright on controller and have beaten the game multiple time before I got into quick switching
Turn off auto aim when playing games with controller, at least with games with 60fps or more. Aim assist in many cases hinder your aim. After not having it on many games since 2019 I've noticed my aim get amazingly better.
I played alot of Siege, where there is no aim assist. Then I decided why not try turning it off in other games? So two shooters games, the other being CoD MW 2019, that year were my helping hand to try to improve my aim.
As long as you fine tune settings to what you think is best, then that's good. I find having a much higher sensitivity and low deadzones help. So you can get used to the finer turning using minimal movements.
The quickswap between super shotgun, and the ballista is all I need
@@SirBigWater With respect, that doesn't make a lot of sense.
Aim assist was created _for_ controllers. If you want to turn it off to practice your aim; go ahead. But to say that it hinders your aim over 60fps is absurd.
@@vhascometo9985 It does in many games. Because it's too strong. For example, Halo Reach on MCC has way too strong aim assist. It's harder to pull off shots I used to be able to.
dunno if it'd fully count but i had the same fluidity with the switch ver of doom eternal as the pc ver (speed between the two was way different for sure, but i didn't mind)
everyone has their personal take but i wouldn't call console doom unplayable
It’s far from
Unplayable
Mr.X?
Got tired of running from ya in the R.P.D. building lol
"Doom ethernal is unplayable on controller" laught on ps4 controller and Platinum Trophy
doom platinum isnt hard lol.
“DOOM Eternal is unplayable on Controller”
Me: Laughs in having done speedruns of Super Gore Nest Master Level twice. And having beaten Ultra Nightmare of all Campaigns and Master Levels of DOOM Eternal, and performing some of Sylar’s techs, and still getting better at the game everyday, all on Controller.
Subscribe to this god ☝️☝️☝️
Same
I used to bitch and complain about controller being at a disadvantage. Then I got-gud after realizing I wasn’t using the meathook correctly, now the sky is the limit. Nightmare achievements and master levels are all quite pleasant now.
I was always so confused when people said you cant quick swap on controller. I found it way easier to quick swap on a controller rather than mouse and keyboard. You can even ballista boost with one but ill admit its much harder
I have beated ultra-nightmare 15+ times as a controller player. “controller is unplayable” that is absurd
I am a controller player. Mouse and keyboard is better for Doom Eternal by all means. But the game is completely enjoyable and playable on a controller. I've beaten the base campaign on nightmare 20+ times, and both dlcs on nightmare too many times to count. I'm really sick of hearing the game is unplayable on a controller. I use a scuf controller now, which does give me an advantage, but 90% of my time with Doom Eternal was with a base Xbox 1 S controller.
Your right because the games are literally balanced for base controller
For anyone who doesn't know, you can change how long you have to hold the weapon swap button before the wheel comes up. I'm incredibly new to Doom Eternal and shooters in general but this works pretty well for me (when I don't accidentally pull out and fire my bfg). It makes quick swapping much easier. I set mine to 90 ms because that felt like just a tiny bit longer than a regular button press. The only disadvantages this brings is that you can accidentally swap to the wrong weapon and you have to use your character control to swap.
Hope this helped!
I did my first 5 playthroughs of Doom Eternal on a Duke controller. It’s one of the few shooter that feel amazing on a controller. Definitely nothing wrong with using a controller
could we ignore the fact that cacodemon just went flying 2:54
2:54 that caco was spinning like a neutron star
The dumb logic about "Controller on an FPS is unplayable" should have died long ago since halo: combat evolved was released
as someone who plays on console
I know from experience that any combo you can pull of on PC you can do on console
yeah there's the weapon wheel but once you memorize where the weapons are placed it can take less than a second to switch
Exactly how I play Doom Eternal on controller lol you get used to it
Exactly. like in doom 2016. once you know where the weapons are, you can make quick exchanges in less than a second.
I play a lot on control and... Is fine .
You can actually easily quick swap on the controller if you turn the weapon wheel delay down to the minimum time.
It's possible to be fast on a controller on doom 2016 ?
@nicolasterranere1440 not sure, I've never played it. I would assume that the same settings would work.
honestly, this game is a step up from 2016, especially when there were no custom controller binds.
i've finished the whole game on UN with a base ps4 controller, including the dlc's/master levels
See that’s my point. The games are perfectly beatable on controller
same
Another thing is people who say “Nintendo switch is unplayable”
My first play through of both the main game and both parts of DLC were on switch,No problems with eather,All bugs I experienced were things that all platforms would see,And the visual downgrades were really only for stuff like small text and photos,But still,If the photos and text were 4K,They’ve only been downgraded to 1080p,So it’s hard to tell the difference for me
I know it's 2 years later but I always felt the biggest part of Doom is the challenge and with 20+ years of Counter-Strike in my bag it always felt like playing it with a mouse and keyboard completely trivialized the game.
So yea, I might have the stupided reason ever but I played the game on pc, got bored, played it on the PS4 and loved it.
I’m a newcomer to boomer shooters in general and I’m used to playing with a controller. I’m open-minded to try and keyboard and mouse, but I’m not that great at it.
Great video, this is one of those arguments that's hard to put into words but you did a really good job in doing so.
Thank you man I appreciate that a lot
Hii
@@ToxikDeth hoi bb
Controller involves more dodging and map awareness as opposed to weapon swap go brr
I mean it feels like they are on equal playing fields to me as you don’t really have to learn the map tbh at least a lot less than classic doom
I started playing doom eternal the other day been hooked since it feels so good on controller its amazing.
PS4 here... I don't recall anybody saying Doom Eternal was "unplayable" with a controller, it just can't be cheesed as easily
I'll admit that I have tried playing with a controller as a pc player and I definitively struggled. I did beat it on the switch though on ultra violence but I have to say it's fascinating that people can accomplish such feats on a controller.
Why do you even have it on switch if you already had it on pc
@@McGeezlegotta play it on the go
gotta love the how you genuinely sound so done with this shit, like you're not even mad at this anymore.
The game is better on PC because mods, there is no argument there. Input method wise, do whatever you want, it is a singleplayer game after all, you are not letting your team down by playing "wrong".
It feel the best when you can play Doom Eternal on a PS5 with a Dual Sense this controller is so satisfying
2:55 jeez that caco got blood punched so hard it started rotating like crazy lmao
It has not more than 1 week that I spend eternal doom in a nightmare with my xbox one control on pc the first time I play a doom and I finished it in 15 hours, I can say that it feels quite intuitive and comfortable with control, I need to add that no play with many weapons, used to always use the shotgun with grenade launcher :3
I feel that a big part of that claim comes from people who would have a mental breakdown if somehow they took away their ability to crank the FOV beyond the intended game's limits; they just can't fathom how someone can be good at Doom Eternal with a controller and regular settings.
Currently playing through a 100% nightmare run on switch, (yea, seriously,) and it is genuinely one of the most fun experiences I’ve ever had with a game. Tag1 gave me a whole lot of trouble on UV, but I’ve gotten a lot better now since then. Controller is good, controller is fun! Even Hugo prefers it!
If you watch old clips of Doom and Quake 1 tournaments, you can see a large diversity in control styles. (Mouse and Keyboard, Controller, Keyboard only, etc.) Even key bindings and hand positions themselves were very different from player to player. I don't see the issue with people using control styles that are most comfortable/convenient for his/herself.
I play on ps4 using a controller and I beat the campaign, AGP1 and AGP2 On ultra nightmare so now I know there is no excuse.
Playing this game made me realize fancy "elite" controllers with extra buttons and stuff are overrated. I remapped jump / dash to LB / RB to have all my movement under control without taking thumbs off the sticks. I also learned to play with 6 fingers instead of 4.
As a controller player, I've beat the entire game on Ultra-Nightmare, placed on the leaderboards in Horde mode, in fact when I played this game everyday it was so easy that I beat TAG2 on Ultra the same day it came out. That doesn't mean it's GOOD. it's playable, but damn sometimes it sucks. All I could ask for is mouse and keyboard compatibility on console, at least to try it out.
Thats interesting. I have the complete opposite opinion regarding classic Doom vs Doom Eternal. I think classic Doom (though specifically the Unity ports) is one of the few FPS games where a controller is totally fine, since youre only aiming horizontally. Eternal has a lot of verticality and I think this works against a dual stick setup.
As a Xbox player, Controller is rather easy to learn once you get the hang of muscle memory. I can quick switch almost as fast as a pc player (Depending on whether I'm in "the Doom Dance" or not, sometimes you cannot help but make a few chokes here and there.). But I admit controller has its disadvantages compared to kb/m, but so does controller over kb/m in aim assist.
This doesn't lessen the skill gap what so ever. It only makes sense that there is something to balance the two inputs.
That cacodemon was like: *W E E*
as a long time PC gamer, i prefer playing on the couch with a gamepad, mostly because i have a desk job, last thing i want to do at the end of the day is come home and sit at another computer desk
dudeee the cacodemon be rolling at
2:55
As a controller user primarily. It such a dumb complaint. I've mastered the game and I can ballista boost quick swap etc etc. I even beat the game on ultra nightmare easily. The only problem with controller really is when switching there's a brief 1 second frame of changing weapons which can be annoying but you can trim it down to where it's barely noticeable. Other then that controller works just fine for eternal. Anyone that says other wise needs to burn in the lava pits of nekravol
2:56 that cacodemon was S P I N N I N G
Laughs in thousands of deaths on nightmare difficulty
I play doom eternal on pc but I use a controller because for me personally it is easier. Also at the time I got doom eternal I used it with a mouse for only like 2 levels until the mouse started to run out of battery, so I used my controller and because I used it for all of the following missions I got better with that so I suck at keyboard and mouse because I didn’t practice it. I haven’t finished Doom eternal yet because I haven’t had time. But I have a blast playing it. Thank you for making this video and defending the controller player community (I also played a tiny bit of Doom eternal on my Xbox before I got it for pc)
Hearing people constantly saying the same thing really does get annoying.
I play on ps5, and am completely capable of playing without feeling restricted. Yeah quickswapping isn't as easy, but I barely notice since I know where everything on the weapon wheel is. I can flick my thumb to switch, and I never even think about it cuz I do it so fast. I had to get really good at quickscoping without snap aiming, but I did. As for ballista boosting, I just don't care about it.
As a traditional keyboard and mouse user, someone who normally plays shooters on PC... I played Doom Eternal all the way through with a controller. I liked it. Even played it without auto-aim on ultra nightmare. Loved it.
Couldn't imagine playing it with a keyboard and mouse and still have yet to try.
That Cacodemon thouggghhh! 2:55
I grew up playing m&k, it's hard for me to play a fps on controller in general.
I own both doom 2016 and doom eternal on PC and switch. Everything else is fine, but aiming and climbing a ledge are the only things I find difficult with a controller in this game.
Okay very interesting but can we take a moment to look at the cacodemon at 2:55 just spinning out of the arena
Hi I'm also a pc player but a console player aswell, controller players can do the same thing as pc players, we just have to train more to get the right aim point that we are able to physically do the same, such as quickswapping and maybe one of sylar's combos. We have to train with one of the lowest delays as I'm pretty sure what it is called. We have to use 70 but training with it first is hard as when your tryna quickswitch the weapons show but we just need to practice. Anyways no matter what we play with, to be able to play games, we're enjoying the game experience
what's funny is that everyone acts like they play at a higher level because they're on mouse and keyboard, but also forget that people can't beat dark souls on controller while other people beat it on a dancepad.
It isn't the tool, it's how you use it. A lot of people are just better with controllers than others.
There's a lot of PC players who don't even know how to quickswap weapons. Great. You can aim more accurately on the whole, but you don't even play the game right.
Meanwhile you see console players quickswap and shoot almost as accurately as some of the best on PC.
The whole debate is pointless.
2:54 That Cacodemon LMAO
helped a lot recently got doom eternal for controller and its pretty difficult and this just popped up in recommended
I play the original Dooms and their WADs on my work PC, which can barely run games from the 7th Generation, and play Eternal on the PS4, usually to the level of Ultra-Violence. PC purists need to understand that most of us can't afford to build a PC capable of running something like Eternal. Anyway, great video.
Humans have an issue where they don't want other people to have fun they want you to play a video game on the system that they play it on because they see it as Superior they don't want you to have fun on your console.
Also when somebody says something people jump on the hate train they will just say it without actually testing it out or trying to figure out what they're talking about they'll just say whatever the other person said.
This is the modern gaming culture it's no longer about gaming it's about how you game and what one person thinks about it.
You don't need quick switching to beat this game on nightmare mode.
Neither keyboard or controller even compare to the might of playing doom eternal on a switch in handheld mode.
Ive been playing doom eternal with a default ps4 controller and I've never felt it was limiting my ability to succesfully play it.
I just bought DOOM Eternal on Steam this year on QuakeCon 2021 haven't finish it and I play it with PS 3 Controller ( I use SCP Toolkit btw ), I never enjoy playing game with M&K even it is a FPS game and I play it on PC, maybe just because using a controller since child, I don't hate M&K but if I playing game I much prefer controller and I feel more comfortable with controller, and when I see Hugo Martin stream DOOM Eternal using controller it make me happier as a controller user.
about classic doom
i played it on the psp, cellphoone, pc, keyboard only and even on the ds touch screen and honestely it works fine from most of them since the game is so simple has generous auto aim and big hitboxes
this "keyboard vs controler" thing is so stupid just use what you like and be done with it
On PS4 I beat Doom Eternal 100% achieved my platinum, then re-beat it on Ultra Nightmare. The only hard part was permadeath. Playing with a controller is much more preferred in my taste.
me who got to final sin on ps4 controller "oh ok guess i haven't really been playing Doom Eternal"
Me who beat the entire game on Xbox: alright
I play doom still to this day obsessed with this game only played on console for first 2 years and on pc it’s literally a totally different game it’s not unplayable on consol but once u play on pc and realize how much better the game really is with it makes it unplayable bc u try playing it like I’m on pc n cant
After a tough day at work, you just wanna lay down at couch and have some fun, controller is the way to go.
I respect people who can play this game on a controller, I can’t aim for shit on a controller
Yeah if your used to mouse and keyboard it can be jarring
I'm really good on controller and the only problem which could be my fault but I can't get a good sniper and rocket quick switch without being a little clunky but besides that I'm good with ss and ballista
Same with me, but for a keyboard and mouse, I can't probably even finish Tetris with a keyboard and mouse
Looks at Hugo and Josh streaming
Everybody: doom is impossible to play on console
Me: but i just finished ultra nightmare yesterday
I much prefer to use mouse and keyboard, but using a controller felt surprisingly better than I thought it would
I've been playing on console for years and recently switched to PC a month ago and yes I do notice the difference in how fast you can do things on PC when it come to first person shooters like switching targets, Personally I like how you can use the mouse to aim more precisely than with a joystick on a controller because it's really hard to adjust and apply such a small increment to you're aim with a controller, But people saying that it's just unplayable with controller are definitely wrong, I'm terrible at first person shooters and I was fine with completing Doom Eternal on just a basic ass ps4, Sure I played on Hurt Me Plenty because I was just doing horribly on Ultra Violence but still the point is if someone as bad as me can beat this even if it's the normal difficulty then basically anyone who has played a first person shooter before can as well, People don't realize how big of a difference the higher difficulties offer I mean it took me a good week or two just to be "decent" at Ultra Violence and that's because you're asking for more of a challenge and you really have to think about what weapons should you use on which demon and it also forces you to be more careful with ammunition (Even though you can just use the chainsaw to get most of it back) This game is definitely playable on controller just like pretty much every other first person shooter is
Me right now playing on an underpowered 30fps mobile system and casually enjoying the game.
Inverted controls, ultra-violence from the start just like I did with doom 2016 on the same platform. I'm currently on necravol it was slow because I have to complete 100 and backtrack each map. Accidentally played master level because I was curious.
Man I tried playing on controller, when I did I hated the game. Once I switched to PC it became one of my favorite games. I don’t care how you play it or what you like but for me playing it on PC changed my experience by a long shot
I don’t wanna get cocky, but it makes me upset when people say that you can’t can quick-switch and ballista boost on controller, because I can quick-switch and ballista pretty well on controller, and I feel like my controller skills are actually pretty on par with good PC players (When I’m warmed up), again, I don’t wanna get cocky.
Yeah same it’s so annoying, “You cAnt do ThIs on ConSole, YoU CanT do thAt on CoNsolE” just no. It’s YOU that can’t do this and that on console
Not unplayable, we lose the fast weapon switch only.
I play with M&K on PC and I'm fine with people prefer controllers. What I don't understand is some folks in Doom community kept talking down to PC players that they ain't shit, M&K is too easy. You have to be on console with no more 60FPS cap. I mean, like, what??
Like you, I started on Console with Eternal. Had a pretty nice Scuff to play with it. Admittedly, couldn't imagine playing the game with a base controller. The paddles were pretty damn essential. I had extended sticks with stick extenders. It was ridiculous but it felt great.
Fast forward, now I'm on PC. Played quite a bit with the controller still then -ultimately - I gave up and decided to relearn the game with MnK. There's a lot of things I like about MnK and there's a lot I don't. So the biggest thing I'm struggling with is basically the nuances of combat. Constantly changing weapon mods, flame belching, grenades THEN switching to Ice Bomb on top of trying to switch weapons with numbers. Ugh. When I was playing with controller, my thumb did all of that and it became muscle memory, but I feel like I'm playing a damn piano on keyboard. I just have weapons 1-5 specifically mapped to my liking. The rest I use the weapon wheel because I LITERALLY can't reach past 5. And the weapon wheel is ASS on PC. Complete dogshit. I was very fast with the weapon wheel on console but goddamn it sucks on PC. I have a default sized keyboard and I'm assuming that's the problem? Are people using MOBA mice? I like my extra thumb buttons on my mouse. I use that for melee and dashing.
Just kind of having a rough time with some things and I'm open to suggestions/recommendations =)
Weapon wheel is ass on PC, you're right, but its also unnecessary. unbind weapon wheel as well as "next weapon" and "previous weapon". You can then bind Q to a weapon or something and bind mouse wheel up and mouse wheel down to separate commands, and if you use a mouse button for melee then you can also bind E to something else. I'd recommend keeping dash on left shift personally. You gotta use your pinky for left shift/ctrl. this could take a little getting used to but if you use ctrl for grenade anyways, then your pinky will normally already be right above ctrl if you have dash on shift.
extra mouse buttons are good but not required. I have 6 buttons on the side of my mouse but they are equivalent to pressing 1-6 on the number row of the keyboard so I only really gain 1-2 bindings from that. I personally like it but I am not the fastest quickswapper in the world and sometimes frantically thumbing the buttons throws off my aim. You dont need to bind mousewheel scrolling to anything if you dont like it. I dont, I just have pressing middle mouse bound to switch equipment instead of being a second throw equipment button since reaching G is a little awkward. if you have important shit bound to 2 different keys, I'd generally recommend you have one binding instead so you can build the the muscle memory of using that key for that action and can do it without thinking. Unless you have a specific reason to have two bindings for one action.
at the end of the day there is no one singular set of bindings thats the best. the goal is to have all of your weapons and abilities individually bound in a way thats comfortable for you and wont throw off your movement too much. so besides mouse buttons and number keys, good keys to bind are those located around wasd. so q, e, r, f, v, z, x, c, ctrl, shift, 1-4 or 5, and maybe T or G.
adjusting to any new setup will take time, so give any configuration changes a go for a little bit and see how they work for you.
So yeah, like I said the previous upload. On controller, the FPS is lower. Which makes the experience worse, like if your trying to master doom eternal as a whole. That being said, I do thoroughly enjoy all doom games on controller, and always will. But that is a important factor.
And yes you can quick switch in a controller, in settings you can configure the speed of quick switch
After experimenting with different FOV’s, I see no difference between Eternal on pc versus console.
…and I’m having fun.
I find WASD makes people crab walk and look silly... It breaks immersion for me. The mouse is fine, but the keyboard is a relic from a different time.
Holy crap Hugo plays inverted?
So that means we’re both inverted bros
"DOOM Eternal is Unplayable on Controller"
My Nightmare Campaigns completed on a controller with drifting to the left: Allow us to introduce ourselves.
Console players are better then more pc players at controller
WORLD CLASS Console players vs pc players who would SUCK on controller
I’ve been playing for 8 months on controller and i still haven’t hit a controller sealing, even using more than 4 weapons in a combo.
Me, who plays DOOM Eternal on Steam Controller or Any Controllers that allows Gyro Aiming: "Heh."
Ppl just love to make excuses. That's a big issue in modern gaming. Everyone complains and throws every excuse out there when they can't do good at something.
I started doom 2016 with my console. When I switched to Pc I got so used to the ease of playing doom with controller that I couldn’t go to M&K. I do play every other FPS game with MK, but for some reason doom eternal flows better for me with the base controller. Now this is true because I got used to playing doom like this, to the point I do ultra nightmare runs with ease. But everyone is different. Use whatever feels natural
It all depends on which playstyle you are more familiar with....
I'm confused on why consoles never tried to redesign keyboards a bit for consoles.
Exactly why I will play this game on console anyway, even on my Switch Lite. I don't give a single shit if the frames aren't great, I'ma play the way I wanna play it, even with those people I know judging me for it, and I'll laugh when I prove that I can still play a badass game with a controller, and even if it's only 30 frames.
Almost completed my ultra nightmare run on a controller. I got decked by the icon of sin 😭
I played the game in PC, then beat it again console (nightmare)
I really appreciate console forces you to play smarter. Quick swapping is such an insane DPS boost, that it can be a bit of a clutch. I think I came out of my console run a better player, and brought those skills back to PC for extra sweaty try hard runs.
the point where controller vs keyboard and mouse
really only affects pro level of game
and maybe a bit below that
anything a keyboard and mouse player can do a controller player will most likely be able to do too
There is no real skill gap until you get to high levels of play
I played on PC at release (multiple runs), but I recently started a playthrough on my fiancée's XSS whilst she plays something on my PC. I'm on Hurt me Plenty due to not having much experience in FPS games with controller, and it honestly feels like Ultra-Nightmare! Definitely more to do with my questionable controller skills than the equipment being unsuitable though. LilAggy's rock band drum kit/dance mat Sekiro runs should show people that anything is possible. He even did it blindfolded.
I have beaten Doom Eternal 3 times on Nightmare with a controller with relative ease. I still prefer pc, but playing on controller is like you said, fine.