I gotta say even as an atheist I enjoy the videos of this channel quite a bit. Because unlike most atheists on youtube, who only scream and make vitriolic comments, Bishop Barron is a very informed and well-versed orator who approaches moral and social plights from an intellectual angle, and that's definitely something I respect.
I am a died in the wool Catholic of the first order and I have to let you know that you are my kind of Athiest. Thanks for acknowledging such simple truth. Mankind has been wrestling with these kinds if truths since the very beginning. Bravo and if you don't take offense, blessings.
+Subconscious Qualms I'm heartened by your honest perspective, friend. Since you seem that rare breed of internet atheist who is actually genuine and a sincere seeker of the truth, I'd be interested in hearing why you are an atheist, and what the shortcomings of theism (on your analysis) are. If you are happy to, that is. Thank you for sharing!
Red Pill Religion Lounge... Really I think it’s when people live in a world of individualism and get constant examples of it everyday from food to hairstyle or even faith ....and you wouldn’t want any other person to tell you only their way is correct ..ESPECIALLY when you’ve experience other ways that work just as well or better even ...but somehow still people convince themselves it’s okay to say noo noo it’s only this way ....the irony of the idea that the very thing that created such a individualized world and even a individualized form of living in it would not also be subjected to individualism.. we can see humans in more then one light and we are human ..something in the nature of a god existing far beyond any human comprehension or form of human existence ...well that’s different however...I think it is more likely that the biased form of thinking all must be like one in a world that has proven to be individual is primitive thinking ...yup sure do...so does life itself...and so would you if I tried to tell you the only true spiritual hairstyle humans can wear is bright blue and hot pink Afros ...cuz god likes them more then others ya kno .....get mad over truth I don’t care ...but I don’t recommend it less you will only push the truth away and it be lost forever ...instead truly I urge you ponder these things ...not with doctrines of man but the doctrines of your heart and mind ...fore together they can move mountains and expose the truth that has been buried under it for many a generation
Father of mercy, like the prodigal son I return to you and say: "I have sinned against you and am no longer worthy to be called your son." Christ Jesus, Savior of the world, I pray with the repentant thief to whom you promised Paradise: "Lord, remember me in your kingdom." Holy Spirit, fountain of love, I call on you with trust: "Purify my heart, and help me to walk as a child of light."r😇🙏🏻us
I would hardly say that it's pretentious to say it took two years to read the work and even longer to understand it, the book is heavy with symbolism and allegory a large portion of which is made up of symbols that come from practices that have been lost for hundreds of years. No, I'd say it's a rather humble comment to leave...
Father Barron, I grew up Lutheran and I still consider myself Lutheran, but I have tremendous respect for the Catholic Church and I'm researching its doctrines to possibly join. Just recently, though, I've learned of the Catholic-Lutheran doctrinal dialogues, resulting in the Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification plus the Declaration on the Way. I'd love to hear your thoughts on those documents and the whole push to maybe, eventually, reunite the churches--possibly in your next video!
+Klaus von Zeit In case Bishop Barron doesn't respond on this topic anytime soon, I'd suggest checking out some of the writing and speaking by Peter Kreeft (PeterKreeft.com) on this topic. He's got some great insights, some of which you can find here: www.catholiceducation.org/en/religion-and-philosophy/apologetics/justification-by-faith.html
+Greg Aitchison Thanks for showing me the article! I'd read a good bit of Kreeft, but not that. Though at this point, my personal disagreements have more to do with Mary, mortal sin, and salvation outside the Catholic Church. Also, Bishop Barron, sorry I called you by the wrong title in my first comment!
I wold like to recomend the Coming home Network Chanel from EWTN by Marcus Grodi. Marcus interviews many converts from other denominations which includes Pastors. I can assure you that allot of your questions will be answered. blessings! and May the Holy Spirit guide you home.
The themes of going rock bottom to rise again, the visualization of purgatory, etc. are vibrant and eloquent stories about our very faith. Thank you, your excellency, for still putting out 10+ min of videos. Thank you.
I’ve been on a spiritual journey myself lately and this brought me peace for some reason. Trying to find relationship with God again and been struggling a lot with that and alone at that. I haven’t read the whole bible so I’m not sure what it says on hell but from Dante’s POV it makes sense. Maybe hell isn’t literal but it’s layers of your own sin you have to undo on your spiritual journey idk. But one thing I know for sure is when God calls on you to come closer to him and only him, we must listen🙏🏼
Great video! I've loved Dante ever since I had to actually sit down and study him in university. Such an amazing work! Another interpretation I've liked, which isn't incompatible with what you were saying, was that Hell represents choices made in fear, Purgatory represents choices made in courage, and Heaven represents choices made in love. I will point out, though, that they knew the Earth was spherical in the 13th century. The idea that they thought it was flat was, like much of the mythology about the "Dark Ages", invented during the so-called Enlightenment.
I have so far only read extracts of the Divine Comedy and Vita Nuova. I am impressed by Dante's love for Beatrice and how she helps him in his orientation towards God and his aspiration for heaven.
Doubt anyone will read this or believe me. I didn’t know what Dante’s Inferno was about till about a couple days ago. I had a dream I was in hell. Only I didn’t know I was. It was dark and no sun or moon. I didn’t know how I go there only I was standing in a court yard in the woods. I didn’t feel hope or hopeless I felt scared the most scared I have ever felt. I seen a demon. It had the head of a horse and a mouth full of teeth in rows. Horns of a ram. 4 legs on its body. And a tail pointed the flesh was black and it had giant wings of a bat. It didn’t bother me only looked at me with it’s lifeless eyes. But it had no eyes just skull. A man next to me was standing, I did not know who he was but the ground broke from the cobblestone and black tentacles drug him down and he was screaming and I grabbed on to him but I couldn’t help him. A voice was talking to me, a demonic voice. I can’t and I don’t know what it was saying. After that happened I woke up at 330 AM and couldn’t fall asleep again. The next day I told my girlfriend about it. She said to me I was in Limbo. I said i dont know what that is. She explained to me what it was. And it makes sense because I was a pagan. Limbo (a place where people who haven’t done bad in life but refuse Jesus Christ and still born babies) I was instantly freaked out. I picked up the cross out of my closet and as I did a card fell out. On the card was John 14:27 “ Peace I leave with you: My peace I give you , I do not give to you as the world gives Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid” as soon as I was done reading I sobbed looking at the cross of Jesus Christ, I felt as if all I’ve done wrong in my life was brought back to me and suddenly washed away. I believe I felt a touch of Jesus I have not had for a very long time in my heart. With this story you can do only two things. Believe me or not believe me. Honesty doesn’t need defense. I know what I saw and I know what I felt. Thank you if you made it this far. God bless you.
Wow John. Thank you for saying this. I’ve been seeing the name John everywhere prior to seeing your comment. I have also been seeing the word “peace” and the peace symbol ☮️ You are my confirmation of what the lord is trying to tell me. God Bless you.
Fr.Barron is incredible! Dante and Bob Dylan! Thank you! I have the Mark Musa translation. Dante is absolutely incredible for philologists and poets and seekers of aesthetic beauty & God.
+Brandon Young - I read the Robin Kirpatrick translation which has almost 200 invaluable pages of notes. Bob Dylan-yes, but I think Led Zeppelin too, referring to Paradiso, Canto 21:28 "There's a lady who's sure all that glitters is gold, and she's buying a stairway to heaven. I never woulda thought.
Ah wow! Thank you Pastor Joe! There's a bit of Tolkien infused in there too. Plus a lot of dark magic. Crowley and so on, so im not so sure about Led Zepplin. But lots of interesting things to consider. Thanks!
This was very good, enlightening, educational, and inspirational. God Bless you Bishop Barron. You are well gifted and uses your gifts for the glory of God and to lead souls to salvation. Thank you for laying down your life for us.
@@ShinbrigTVThe cult. Cults are full of bad theology and a very unhealthy representation of religion. You were wise to run like hell from that cult. But, I know you appreciate what Dante is portraying here.
Wonderful review! Enlightening, since I never thought of the book as a serious religious literary work. I will read it as I'm am going through a midlife crisis. Thank you Bishop Barron. Pray for me. May God bless you!!
I happened to read John Ciardi's translation, which TS Eliot greatly admired. This past summer I was working at a theatre center and I could not stream movies at my desk since it would slow the internet down, so I opted to read, and I had a copy of this epic poem and I figured "why not read it?" To my surprise, I was able to do so, after a couple of weeks, and I have to say it really changed my views on things and answered some big questions. I read Inferno while listening to Jerry Goldsmith's score to the original Omen movie, which made it very spooky for me, and eventually shifted to choir music for the Purgatorio and Paradiso. I love re-reading bits and pieces of it, and often send the last canto of Paradiso to friends who have lost loved ones as a form of comfort.
I haven´t found a better translation of the Inferno than John Ciardi´s masterpiece. I don´t know if the Inferno is an easier read than Purgatorio or Paradiso because of Ciardi´s translation, or if I´m just closer to Hell in my makeup which makes it easier. Dorothy Sayers and Mark Musa did some good works on the other two volumes. Better than any I´ve found yet. I honestly think the Comedies are the greatest examples of Western literature in the world. I´ve been revisiting it over and over again for going on sixty years now. The work never fails to just blow me away.
Bishop Robert Barron, I've seen you on EWTN and I recently purchased your book, Catholicism. I enjoyed reading it. I grew up in a Irish Catholic family. Yes, I love my Catholic faith.
Thanks for the great video, Bishop Barron. Like you, this book changed my life when I first read it, and it still holds a most prominent and powerful place in my heart. Good summary of one of the most beautiful works of all time!
The final verse is "the love that moves the sun (not planet!) and the other stars." (in Dante's universe the earth was still, Copernic and Galileo came 300 years later..)
Regarding translations of Dante's Commedia. 😊 1. My favorite is the Mandelbaum translation. It's blank verse. The World of Dante uses his translation as their base English translation. So one can read it online. I also have the Everyman's Library edition which is a beautifully crafted hardback that's worth owning. Everyman's Library books are almost always excellent editions of the classics. Just superb quality in terms of look and feel. 2. Same with Longfellow, he's available everywhere online, since he's in the public domain. Longfellow was of course an amazing poet in his own right, and a scholar and a professor at Harvard University back in the 19th century. His translation of Dante is itself a work of art. I believe it was the first major American English translation of Dante's Commedia. Well worth reading. As far as earlier translations go, Longfellow is more enjoyable to read than Cary, in my opinion. And Longfellow in print often seems to come with the gorgeous Gustave Dore illustrations. 3. Musa is a good choice too. I find him simple and clear to follow with an understated elegance. He's not my favorite, but I certainly wouldn't begrudge anyone if they enjoy Musa. I disagree with some of his notes (e.g. his psychoanalysis of Dante's motives in writing about Beatrice). But overall he's fine. 4. Hollander is available through the Princeton Dante Project. It's a serviceable translation in free verse. I find the free verse can be a bit jarring or too abrupt at times. For better *and* worse, it's very much a literal or word for word or formally equivalent translation. But at the cost of literary beauty, at least to my ears. It comes with a tremendous amount of helps, super detailed notes, almost overwhelmingly so. 5. I'm afraid same goes for Kirkpatrick. It's a good but not outstanding translation. Kirkpatrick is at times a bit too vulgar for my tastes (e.g. using four letter words like "fig f-"). 6. Ciardi is perhaps the most popular. His translation flows beautifully. It well echoes the "music" in Dante's terza rima. However I find Ciardi plays a bit too fast and loose with the meaning for my tastes; it isn't as faithful to the Italian (e.g. where Ulysses says "brothers" in Italian, Ciardi translates as "shipmates", which in context the brothers are indeed his shipmates, but I'd still have preferred to have a more literal translation in this case). Nevertheless one could do far worse than Ciardi for the first read-through of Dante. Ciardi is the people's choice. Still if given the choice I would prefer Mandelbaum because I find Mandelbaum just as beautiful as Ciardi and he's more faithful to the underlying text than Ciardi. 7. There are other translations like Sayers, James, Pinsky, Carson, and Bang, and they each have some interesting or provocative or idiosyncratic takes, and with varying degrees of success and failure - I especially enjoy Pinsky though he only did Inferno I believe - but in general I think these should be reserved for reading after one has already read and is sufficiently familiar with Dante's Commedia in one of the earlier translations mentioned. 8. There are a couple of fine prose translations too. Of course, the prose form loses the poetic structure and all this entails, but it has its benefits like potential for fuller expression of meaning and livelier imagery and perhaps better pulling one into the story qua story and so forth. Durling is a wonderful modern prose translation. Also, a good thing about Durling is it comes with so many helpful notes and maps and so on. Not to mention the Italian is printed alongside the translation. So one can read the story like a novel but also read the Italian to hear the "music". 9. Although Durling is great, my favorite prose translation of the Commedia is an older one by Singleton. Singleton is a legendary Dante scholar and his translation still soars. His extensive commentary on Dante is often still cited today, it is still full of insight. The main problem is Singleton comes in 6 volumes (one volume with the Italian text and English translation and another volume with notes and commentary x 3, that is, for Inferno, Purgatorio, and Paradiso) so altogether it's an expensive purchase. 10. In a sense we're spoiled for choice in English when it comes to Dante. Of course, nothing beats the original Italian, which is surprisingly quite comprehensible if one knows modern Italian. It's not as wide as the divide is between, say, modern English and Shakespearean or Elizabethean English. Although there is a wider time interval between modern Italian and the Italian of Dante's period than there is between modern English and Shakespeare, Italian as a language evidently hasn't evolved as dramatically (no pun intended) as English has evolved. So the Italian in Dante is certainly dated and difficult but not horribly so - not more so than Shakespeare! And if one can read other Romance languages, such as Spanish or French, then learning Italian isn't a huge leap. 11. I find C.S. Lewis's The Discarded Image: An Introduction to Medieval and Renaissance Literature still holds up fairly well and as such could serve as a good introduction to Dante. The literary critic and scholar Harold Bloom calls it Lewis's best academic work. Otherwise Dante: A Very Short Introduction is obviously more specific to Dante and quite helpful. Finally I'll mention Reading Dante by Giuseppe Mazzotta is more advanced and far more in depth. It's part of the Yale Open Course series. All these books could be used for self studying Dante and his Commedia (the Divine was added after the fact, Dante originally just called it the Comedy).
Dante's comedy is a manual for being human, like the operating manual that comes in the glove box of a new car. By the way -- John Ciardi is the best translator to English for the Inferno. Mark Musa is best for the Purgatorio. Dorothy Sayer does the best Paradiso. That's just my take on it.
Why would it have been interesting for a 13th century figure to imagine the world as round? It was known since the old greeks that the earth was a globe.
That happened to me At 33 . Well that’s when My Spiritual Awakening Happened.. He was Correct I had to go threw Hell as well sort of Speak.. Thanks Father Barron..
However he got them Dante had direct experiences of God and used them in The Divine Comedy. Dore and Blake must have had them too because they illustrated them so superbly.
I recommend the Everyman's Library edition of Dante's Divine Comedy. It's a little more expensive but it's a great translation and the quality of the physical book is terrific.
+Myers2Gumbleton Thanks for the heads up. I am going to look into it. I think Bishop Barron recommends one published by Penguin Books. I will check that one out too.
+Myers2Gumbleton I agree. The Everyman's Library / Anthony Esolen edition has an abundance of explanatory footnotes which bring the imagery, allusions, theology, scholastic philosophy references in the text, which would have been understandable for the original reader but have become arcane for modern readers, into context and perspective. In addition, Robert Royal has a wonderful commentary on the spirituality latent in Dante's Divine Comedy entitled, "Dante Alighieri: Divine Comedy, Divine Spirituality".
Bishop Barron, have you noticed the amazing parallels between Dante's journey and Hermas' - Beatrice ~ Rhoda, pitiful Satan ~ pitiful dragon... so much more, check it out!
I always viewed Dante as a critic of many aspects of the catholic church, Who's poems were a satire of the beliefs of many of his contemporaries. He makes hell seem like a fairytale because that's what it is.
6:48 - - *In your spiritual journey - - you must go all the way down to find the SOURCE of everything that is OFF-KILTER IN YOUR SOUL. You look at it. the devil is self-absorbed. he is sad. pathetic. weeping. because sin is sad. the devil is stuck in the ice. frozen. when he beats his wings they make the air in the world around him colder - - (when your own sin/dysfunction is on display it freezes people around you - it isolates them.)* 10:29 - - *When they come to the Beatific Vision of God - - "Love, that moves the sun and the other stars."*
Romanus You can easily find it. I got a great copy and edition on amazon for maybe $20. There are MANY translations. It is, a lot. But it’s well worth the effort.
I sincerely did not know that Dante was so highly regarded as a writer. He wrote the divine comedy and further than that I think no one knows what else he wrote (if any). His play was a one hit wonder of sorts. I (and surely many others) know Dante only from the 9 circles of hell narrative. He is more of a footnote than anything else. Not on the level of Shakespeare in my super humble opinion (not an expert).
I’m just finishing up with the divine comedy and I’m curious this Bishops thoughts. But I would’ve thought the church might’ve had a different view, but I guess not…
nick sibly He’s a great start. Get his companion books for each Holy Season. I did advent and now am working through Lent. They are quick concise but great tools. Word on Fire. Google that. It’s the name of his spiritual theology evangelism
I found it to be an intriguing and at times disturbing journey. They call it a poem and though it may be, it takes you on a journey like no other poem I've read. I found it a wonderful read but everyone is different. I recommend it.
Your eminence greetings from Colombia, would you please mind commenting on the Pope's last video? It is somewhat confusing and many people need to understand it and I just can't explain it in my community because I don’t understand it either. I'm tired of explaining things like "What the Pope meant to say was this" or "He doesn't mean this, his message is this other thing" Please help us, I'm beginning to think we have a real problem here. Thanks a lot for your help.
I'm agnostic, but I was raised catholic,and I love your videos bishop. I would say my morals are somewhere between catholics and buddhism, I'm trying to find balance and not bring anything to the extremes, because that is sinful.
para um religioso; comenta muito bem sobre dramaturgia, e se trata como certa - verdades de contos poéticos - acaba trilhando caminho obscuros para si e outros que venham a aceitar seu exemplo, cuidado pois ao caminhar sobre a escuridão da noite enevoada e sem brilhos de luar ou estrelas, vai sem duvida para lugar nenhum, seu erre é fatal e sua volta muito mais difícil, pois sair do fundo do fosso, é muito mais difícil do que cai nele. seu estado depois da queda é lamentável é suas forças para sair deverão ser redobradas,
Let me be clear that I love most of Bishop Barron's commentaries. But there are some commentaries in which he misses the opportunity to set the record straight and defend the Church from the unwarranted attacks of many of its enemies. Most of the time, the commentaries deal with economic issues, but this commentary is related to science. Few educated men in the 13th Century thought that the earth was flat. After all, Eratosthenes of Cyrene calculated the earth's diameter and got quite close more than 200 years before the birth of Christ. Catholic scholars knew all that. In fact, where Bishop Barron tends to fail greatly is his lack of clarity about the significant contributions that the Church made in the advancement of science. As Thomas Woods asks in his excellent 2005 book, How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization, "Was it just a coincidence that modern science developed in a largely Catholic milieu, or was there something about Catholicism itself that enabled the success of science?" It may be time for Bishop Barron to try to set the record straight and defend the church by showing just how important it was to the development of what Western Civilization became and to point out that the decline from the peak came after the Enlightenment and the Reformation led us from the right path. Whoever produces these clips might want to have a talk with Dr. Woods.
I describe Hell as a horrible nightmarish place where there's no hope. Only despair and grief. When I die, I hope that I don't end up in Hell. I go to Heaven. I refer Hell as Hades or double hockey sticks. Dante wasn't the only one who saw Hell. A polish nun named Faustina.
Mr. Barron says that Bob Dylan discovered Dante's The Divine Comedy and it made difference in his life. Where did you get that information? And Mr. Barron's opinion is based on one song "Tangled Up in Blue", where a stripper gives the narrator (not Bob Dylan) a poem written "by an Italian poet from the thirteenth century". There were other Italian poets in the thirteenth century. How did Mr. Barron deduce it was Dante? Bob Dylan never said it was Dante. Finally, the ENTIRE album, which includes the "Tangled Up in Blue" song, was based on short stories by Chekhov. Bob Dylan mentions it in his book. The album was not based on his personal life.
Where's my money Shakespeare wrote of the spiritual and divine meaning of life and the humans role for them on earth. Dante wrote of the spiritual and divine meaning of death/eternal life and the role our human life plays in it. So yes. Very comparable.
Mr. Barron uses T.S. Eliot's "quote" on Dante known to be either inaccurate, or misattributed, or misquoted and out of context, or simply never said by T.S. Eliot. ‘Dante and Shakespeare divide the modern world between them: there is no third’. T.S. Eliot is a smart man. I can't imagine him saying stupid shit like that. He could have said it in the context of poetry construction, though. We will never know. There is no evidence that T.S. Eliot ever said that in interviews, diaries, essays, etc.
As a more modern person and especially as one who was raised in a democracy I find it hard to accept that Brutus was in hell. I don't think he belonged there. One could also read Caesar as a very brutal man, like Hitler, willing to slaughter for his own personal wealth and prestige to the point of madness. I could easily see Caesar in one of Satan's mouths. I was raised a Catholic but thought that the Divine Comedy was really popular literature and not considered a truly important book by the church. I'm 72 and perhaps that's changed? You may very well have three living Popes? Even the Church seems to be trying to become more democratic like so many protestant denominations always were. At a time of real spiritual crisis in college - I'm gay - I found the image of Dante grabbing Satan's hairy legs and climbing down to find himself in Purgatory with Satan's legs sticking up out of the ground at the bottom of the mountain a funny kind of inspirational salvation. That was almost 50 years ago. A psychiatrist i talked to at the time told me I had to accept what I was.
May I propose Christopher Hitchens for a third, and it is humorous that he perceives the world as round given how hard the church worked to hide what Copernicus had posited years earlier
The spherical nature of the earth was well known and accepted in medieval times. You're getting confused with heliocentricity, which was what Copernicus postulated. Heliocentriciy was postulated by some ancient Greek philosophers but was rejected as the observational evidence available at the time was inconsistent with it. Heliocentricity was not finally proved until the early 19th century, when Bessel detected stellar parallax in the star 61 Cygni.
Yes, I didn't mean to be elitist. I was speaking sincerely; I've tried to imagine an English translation of Dante and I thought it could be quite boring to read it without the beauty of his poetry. And this is frustrating because Dante is everything rather than boring.
@@calasalos funny, I’m actually studying Italian, so maybe if I try an English translation of the divine comedy and get better at reading Italian, I’ll try out the original version after.
Hell: No such word was in their vocabulary, and they knew of no such place. No word with the meaning that the English word Hell has now was used or known about unto long after the Bible. It is not in Greek literature in New Testament times or before, first-century writers did not use it, Josephus or any other historian of that time did not use it, it is not in the Septuagint. A place where God will torment the lost forever after the Judgment Day was not known about. the concept of the place called hell, or the name hell is not in the bible, and does not occur in any writing of either the Hebrews or the Greeks until long after the Bible. The Old Testament Hebrew, or the New Testament Greek, has no word that is even close to today’s English word “hell.” How do we know about this place called hell? Where did hell come from? It is not in the Bible. Neither is the name “hell” in the Bible. Where did it come from? Not by faith that comes by hearing God’s word. It is from the doctrines and precepts of men [Matthew 15:9]. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. It was not used in the first century because it was a word that was not in their vocabulary, and a place they know nothing about. (William Robert West, If the Soul or Spirit Is Immortal, There Can Be No Resurrection from the Dead, Third Edition, originally published as The Resurrection and Immortality [Bloomington, IN: Author House, September 2006] p. 138.)
I gotta say even as an atheist I enjoy the videos of this channel quite a bit. Because unlike most atheists on youtube, who only scream and make vitriolic comments, Bishop Barron is a very informed and well-versed orator who approaches moral and social plights from an intellectual angle, and that's definitely something I respect.
I am a died in the wool Catholic of the first order and I have to let you know that you are my kind of Athiest. Thanks for acknowledging such simple truth. Mankind has been wrestling with these kinds if truths since the very beginning. Bravo and if you don't take offense, blessings.
:)
+crustyoldmetalhead I hope you meant "dyed" in the wool rather than "died".
+Subconscious Qualms haha, yes of course. I would hate to spend eternity wrapped in itchy wool. Thanks.
+Subconscious Qualms I'm heartened by your honest perspective, friend. Since you seem that rare breed of internet atheist who is actually genuine and a sincere seeker of the truth, I'd be interested in hearing why you are an atheist, and what the shortcomings of theism (on your analysis) are. If you are happy to, that is. Thank you for sharing!
Probably one of the most annoying things about modern discourse is the constant habit of treating the Catholic mind like it's primitive.
Red Pill Religion Lounge Very true. Even down to lay people within the church.
Red Pill Religion Lounge... Really I think it’s when people live in a world of individualism and get constant examples of it everyday from food to hairstyle or even faith ....and you wouldn’t want any other person to tell you only their way is correct ..ESPECIALLY when you’ve experience other ways that work just as well or better even ...but somehow still people convince themselves it’s okay to say noo noo it’s only this way ....the irony of the idea that the very thing that created such a individualized world and even a individualized form of living in it would not also be subjected to individualism.. we can see humans in more then one light and we are human ..something in the nature of a god existing far beyond any human comprehension or form of human existence ...well that’s different however...I think it is more likely that the biased form of thinking all must be like one in a world that has proven to be individual is primitive thinking ...yup sure do...so does life itself...and so would you if I tried to tell you the only true spiritual hairstyle humans can wear is bright blue and hot pink Afros ...cuz god likes them more then others ya kno .....get mad over truth I don’t care ...but I don’t recommend it less you will only push the truth away and it be lost forever ...instead truly I urge you ponder these things ...not with doctrines of man but the doctrines of your heart and mind ...fore together they can move mountains and expose the truth that has been buried under it for many a generation
Protestant propaganda…
Father of mercy,
like the prodigal son
I return to you and say:
"I have sinned against you
and am no longer worthy to be called your son."
Christ Jesus, Savior of the world,
I pray with the repentant thief
to whom you promised Paradise:
"Lord, remember me in your kingdom."
Holy Spirit, fountain of love,
I call on you with trust:
"Purify my heart,
and help me to walk as a child of light."r😇🙏🏻us
Beautiful. Thank you for sharing.
Beautiful
It took me two years to read Dante, and now I finally know what it was about. Thank you!
@@jcudal32 Goodness, I'm doubtful I've ever read something more pretentious and condescending than what you just wrote to a complete stranger. lol.
I would hardly say that it's pretentious to say it took two years to read the work and even longer to understand it, the book is heavy with symbolism and allegory a large portion of which is made up of symbols that come from practices that have been lost for hundreds of years.
No, I'd say it's a rather humble comment to leave...
Father Barron,
I grew up Lutheran and I still consider myself Lutheran, but I have tremendous respect for the Catholic Church and I'm researching its doctrines to possibly join. Just recently, though, I've learned of the Catholic-Lutheran doctrinal dialogues, resulting in the Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification plus the Declaration on the Way. I'd love to hear your thoughts on those documents and the whole push to maybe, eventually, reunite the churches--possibly in your next video!
+Klaus von Zeit In case Bishop Barron doesn't respond on this topic anytime soon, I'd suggest checking out some of the writing and speaking by Peter Kreeft (PeterKreeft.com) on this topic. He's got some great insights, some of which you can find here: www.catholiceducation.org/en/religion-and-philosophy/apologetics/justification-by-faith.html
+Greg Aitchison Thanks for showing me the article! I'd read a good bit of Kreeft, but not that. Though at this point, my personal disagreements have more to do with Mary, mortal sin, and salvation outside the Catholic Church.
Also, Bishop Barron, sorry I called you by the wrong title in my first comment!
I wold like to recomend the Coming home Network Chanel from EWTN by Marcus Grodi. Marcus interviews many converts from other denominations which includes Pastors. I can assure you that allot of your questions will be answered. blessings! and May the Holy Spirit guide you home.
Esmeralda Saltos Thanks for the recommendation, but it's a little redundant now! I decided to become Catholic a few months ago. Thanks again, though!
Klaus von Zeit I am very happy for you. I am a cradle Catholic and every time I listen to those programs I learn something new. Welcome HOME!
The themes of going rock bottom to rise again, the visualization of purgatory, etc. are vibrant and eloquent stories about our very faith. Thank you, your excellency, for still putting out 10+ min of videos. Thank you.
I’ve been on a spiritual journey myself lately and this brought me peace for some reason. Trying to find relationship with God again and been struggling a lot with that and alone at that. I haven’t read the whole bible so I’m not sure what it says on hell but from Dante’s POV it makes sense. Maybe hell isn’t literal but it’s layers of your own sin you have to undo on your spiritual journey idk. But one thing I know for sure is when God calls on you to come closer to him and only him, we must listen🙏🏼
I can't believe I haven't read this amazing book till now. It's a game changer. .
Really appreciate this video.
Great video! I've loved Dante ever since I had to actually sit down and study him in university. Such an amazing work! Another interpretation I've liked, which isn't incompatible with what you were saying, was that Hell represents choices made in fear, Purgatory represents choices made in courage, and Heaven represents choices made in love.
I will point out, though, that they knew the Earth was spherical in the 13th century. The idea that they thought it was flat was, like much of the mythology about the "Dark Ages", invented during the so-called Enlightenment.
what a beautiful story ❤️ love it to know and understand. Thank you Bishop 😊
I have so far only read extracts of the Divine Comedy and Vita Nuova. I am impressed by Dante's love for Beatrice and how she helps him in his orientation towards God and his aspiration for heaven.
Doubt anyone will read this or believe me. I didn’t know what Dante’s Inferno was about till about a couple days ago.
I had a dream I was in hell. Only I didn’t know I was. It was dark and no sun or moon. I didn’t know how I go there only I was standing in a court yard in the woods. I didn’t feel hope or hopeless I felt scared the most scared I have ever felt. I seen a demon. It had the head of a horse and a mouth full of teeth in rows. Horns of a ram. 4 legs on its body. And a tail pointed the flesh was black and it had giant wings of a bat. It didn’t bother me only looked at me with it’s lifeless eyes. But it had no eyes just skull.
A man next to me was standing, I did not know who he was but the ground broke from the cobblestone and black tentacles drug him down and he was screaming and I grabbed on to him but I couldn’t help him. A voice was talking to me, a demonic voice. I can’t and I don’t know what it was saying. After that happened I woke up at 330 AM and couldn’t fall asleep again. The next day I told my girlfriend about it. She said to me I was in Limbo. I said i dont know what that is. She explained to me what it was. And it makes sense because I was a pagan. Limbo (a place where people who haven’t done bad in life but refuse Jesus Christ and still born babies) I was instantly freaked out. I picked up the cross out of my closet and as I did a card fell out. On the card was John 14:27 “ Peace I leave with you: My peace I give you , I do not give to you as the world gives Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid” as soon as I was done reading I sobbed looking at the cross of Jesus Christ, I felt as if all I’ve done wrong in my life was brought back to me and suddenly washed away. I believe I felt a touch of Jesus I have not had for a very long time in my heart.
With this story you can do only two things. Believe me or not believe me. Honesty doesn’t need defense. I know what I saw and I know what I felt. Thank you if you made it this far. God bless you.
Wow John. Thank you for saying this. I’ve been seeing the name John everywhere prior to seeing your comment. I have also been seeing the word “peace” and the peace symbol ☮️ You are my confirmation of what the lord is trying to tell me. God Bless you.
You were in Hell. Limbo or Purgatory is not mentioned in the Bible, not even once. If you want to know more about Heaven and Hell, read your Bible.
I'm glad you felt comforted by Jesus in John 14. Don't stop there. Read the whole Gospel. Jesus says he loves you so much in John 3. God bless you.
Thank you for your story. May God bless you too.
Many thanks to Bishop Barron for this excellent talk on Dante.
I read the Divine Comedy just last year. Such a tremendous poem!
Fr.Barron is incredible! Dante and Bob Dylan! Thank you! I have the Mark Musa translation. Dante is absolutely incredible for philologists and poets and seekers of aesthetic beauty & God.
+Brandon Young - I read the Robin Kirpatrick translation which has almost 200 invaluable pages of notes. Bob Dylan-yes, but I think Led Zeppelin too, referring to Paradiso, Canto 21:28 "There's a lady who's sure all that glitters is gold, and she's buying a stairway to heaven. I never woulda thought.
Ah wow! Thank you Pastor Joe! There's a bit of Tolkien infused in there too. Plus a lot of dark magic. Crowley and so on, so im not so sure about Led Zepplin. But lots of interesting things to consider. Thanks!
This was very good, enlightening, educational, and inspirational. God Bless you Bishop Barron. You are well gifted and uses your gifts for the glory of God and to lead souls to salvation. Thank you for laying down your life for us.
I'm not religious anymore, but man I wish I had teacher's like you.
@MetalSmithsonian Nah I'm good; having grown up in a cult it's just not for me.
@@ShinbrigTVThe cult. Cults are full of bad theology and a very unhealthy representation of religion.
You were wise to run like hell from that cult. But, I know you appreciate what Dante is portraying here.
Wonderful review! Enlightening, since I never thought of the book as a serious religious literary work. I will read it as I'm am going through a midlife crisis. Thank you Bishop Barron. Pray for me. May God bless you!!
thanks bishop Barron! this was really interesting and helpful.
gave me something to reflect on what i have been doing in my Catholic life.
Excellent commentary, thanks.
I happened to read John Ciardi's translation, which TS Eliot greatly admired. This past summer I was working at a theatre center and I could not stream movies at my desk since it would slow the internet down, so I opted to read, and I had a copy of this epic poem and I figured "why not read it?" To my surprise, I was able to do so, after a couple of weeks, and I have to say it really changed my views on things and answered some big questions. I read Inferno while listening to Jerry Goldsmith's score to the original Omen movie, which made it very spooky for me, and eventually shifted to choir music for the Purgatorio and Paradiso. I love re-reading bits and pieces of it, and often send the last canto of Paradiso to friends who have lost loved ones as a form of comfort.
I haven´t found a better translation of the Inferno than John Ciardi´s masterpiece. I don´t know if the Inferno is an easier read than Purgatorio or Paradiso because of Ciardi´s translation, or if I´m just closer to Hell in my makeup which makes it easier. Dorothy Sayers and Mark Musa did some good works on the other two volumes. Better than any I´ve found yet. I honestly think the Comedies are the greatest examples of Western literature in the world. I´ve been revisiting it over and over again for going on sixty years now. The work never fails to just blow me away.
Bishop Robert Barron,
I've seen you on EWTN and I recently purchased your book, Catholicism. I enjoyed reading it. I grew up in a Irish Catholic family. Yes, I love my Catholic faith.
Thanks for the great video, Bishop Barron. Like you, this book changed my life when I first read it, and it still holds a most prominent and powerful place in my heart. Good summary of one of the most beautiful works of all time!
thank you,Bishop Barron
The final verse is "the love that moves the sun (not planet!) and the other stars." (in Dante's universe the earth was still, Copernic and Galileo came 300 years later..)
You are a seemingly endless source of information and inspiration.
Regarding translations of Dante's Commedia. 😊
1. My favorite is the Mandelbaum translation. It's blank verse. The World of Dante uses his translation as their base English translation. So one can read it online. I also have the Everyman's Library edition which is a beautifully crafted hardback that's worth owning. Everyman's Library books are almost always excellent editions of the classics. Just superb quality in terms of look and feel.
2. Same with Longfellow, he's available everywhere online, since he's in the public domain. Longfellow was of course an amazing poet in his own right, and a scholar and a professor at Harvard University back in the 19th century. His translation of Dante is itself a work of art. I believe it was the first major American English translation of Dante's Commedia. Well worth reading. As far as earlier translations go, Longfellow is more enjoyable to read than Cary, in my opinion. And Longfellow in print often seems to come with the gorgeous Gustave Dore illustrations.
3. Musa is a good choice too. I find him simple and clear to follow with an understated elegance. He's not my favorite, but I certainly wouldn't begrudge anyone if they enjoy Musa. I disagree with some of his notes (e.g. his psychoanalysis of Dante's motives in writing about Beatrice). But overall he's fine.
4. Hollander is available through the Princeton Dante Project. It's a serviceable translation in free verse. I find the free verse can be a bit jarring or too abrupt at times. For better *and* worse, it's very much a literal or word for word or formally equivalent translation. But at the cost of literary beauty, at least to my ears. It comes with a tremendous amount of helps, super detailed notes, almost overwhelmingly so.
5. I'm afraid same goes for Kirkpatrick. It's a good but not outstanding translation. Kirkpatrick is at times a bit too vulgar for my tastes (e.g. using four letter words like "fig f-").
6. Ciardi is perhaps the most popular. His translation flows beautifully. It well echoes the "music" in Dante's terza rima. However I find Ciardi plays a bit too fast and loose with the meaning for my tastes; it isn't as faithful to the Italian (e.g. where Ulysses says "brothers" in Italian, Ciardi translates as "shipmates", which in context the brothers are indeed his shipmates, but I'd still have preferred to have a more literal translation in this case). Nevertheless one could do far worse than Ciardi for the first read-through of Dante. Ciardi is the people's choice. Still if given the choice I would prefer Mandelbaum because I find Mandelbaum just as beautiful as Ciardi and he's more faithful to the underlying text than Ciardi.
7. There are other translations like Sayers, James, Pinsky, Carson, and Bang, and they each have some interesting or provocative or idiosyncratic takes, and with varying degrees of success and failure - I especially enjoy Pinsky though he only did Inferno I believe - but in general I think these should be reserved for reading after one has already read and is sufficiently familiar with Dante's Commedia in one of the earlier translations mentioned.
8. There are a couple of fine prose translations too. Of course, the prose form loses the poetic structure and all this entails, but it has its benefits like potential for fuller expression of meaning and livelier imagery and perhaps better pulling one into the story qua story and so forth. Durling is a wonderful modern prose translation. Also, a good thing about Durling is it comes with so many helpful notes and maps and so on. Not to mention the Italian is printed alongside the translation. So one can read the story like a novel but also read the Italian to hear the "music".
9. Although Durling is great, my favorite prose translation of the Commedia is an older one by Singleton. Singleton is a legendary Dante scholar and his translation still soars. His extensive commentary on Dante is often still cited today, it is still full of insight. The main problem is Singleton comes in 6 volumes (one volume with the Italian text and English translation and another volume with notes and commentary x 3, that is, for Inferno, Purgatorio, and Paradiso) so altogether it's an expensive purchase.
10. In a sense we're spoiled for choice in English when it comes to Dante. Of course, nothing beats the original Italian, which is surprisingly quite comprehensible if one knows modern Italian. It's not as wide as the divide is between, say, modern English and Shakespearean or Elizabethean English. Although there is a wider time interval between modern Italian and the Italian of Dante's period than there is between modern English and Shakespeare, Italian as a language evidently hasn't evolved as dramatically (no pun intended) as English has evolved. So the Italian in Dante is certainly dated and difficult but not horribly so - not more so than Shakespeare! And if one can read other Romance languages, such as Spanish or French, then learning Italian isn't a huge leap.
11. I find C.S. Lewis's The Discarded Image: An Introduction to Medieval and Renaissance Literature still holds up fairly well and as such could serve as a good introduction to Dante. The literary critic and scholar Harold Bloom calls it Lewis's best academic work. Otherwise Dante: A Very Short Introduction is obviously more specific to Dante and quite helpful. Finally I'll mention Reading Dante by Giuseppe Mazzotta is more advanced and far more in depth. It's part of the Yale Open Course series. All these books could be used for self studying Dante and his Commedia (the Divine was added after the fact, Dante originally just called it the Comedy).
Dante's comedy is a manual for being human, like the operating manual that comes in the glove box of a new car.
By the way -- John Ciardi is the best translator to English for the Inferno. Mark Musa is best for the Purgatorio. Dorothy Sayer does the best Paradiso.
That's just my take on it.
Thank you. I was looking to buy one but couldn’t decide. Lol 😂
He was influenced by the Islamic ideas based off a book call The Book of Muhammad's Ladder
Why would it have been interesting for a 13th century figure to imagine the world as round? It was known since the old greeks that the earth was a globe.
That happened to me At 33 . Well that’s when My Spiritual Awakening Happened.. He was Correct I had to go threw Hell as well sort of Speak.. Thanks Father Barron..
Me at 35
Thank you. I needed this exposition.
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if it wasn't for the works of dante and homer I would still be a fearful, angry and depressed new atheist.
Dante's masterpiece has nothing to do with the depressing religion, that's the truth. But free interpretation can lead wherever…
Congrats Bishop Barron. When in doubt I check your posts, they keep me right!!!! From one Irish native to another lol, God Bless Theresa
However he got them Dante had direct experiences of God and used them in The Divine Comedy. Dore and Blake must have had them too because they illustrated them so superbly.
Thank you 🙏
超棒的介紹, 一定要去找來看這史詩的巨著.thank you Bishop
I read Dante, but I actually bought it for Gustave Dore's illustrations ;)
I recommend the Everyman's Library edition of Dante's Divine Comedy. It's a little more expensive but it's a great translation and the quality of the physical book is terrific.
+Myers2Gumbleton Thanks for the heads up. I am going to look into it. I think Bishop Barron recommends one published by Penguin Books. I will check that one out too.
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I agree. The Everyman's Library / Anthony Esolen edition has an abundance of explanatory footnotes which bring the imagery, allusions, theology, scholastic philosophy references in the text, which would have been understandable for the original reader but have become arcane for modern readers, into context and perspective. In addition, Robert Royal has a wonderful commentary on the spirituality latent in Dante's Divine Comedy entitled, "Dante Alighieri: Divine Comedy, Divine Spirituality".
Is that the Mandelbaum one?
Bishop Barron, have you noticed the amazing parallels between Dante's journey and Hermas' - Beatrice ~ Rhoda, pitiful Satan ~ pitiful dragon... so much more, check it out!
The Mark Musa version is my favourite too!
I always viewed Dante as a critic of many aspects of the catholic church, Who's poems were a satire of the beliefs of many of his contemporaries. He makes hell seem like a fairytale because that's what it is.
how do you know?
Is there part of Dante that says a line like “the past is a place that still has not let anyone visit”?
6:48 - - *In your spiritual journey - - you must go all the way down to find the SOURCE of everything that is OFF-KILTER IN YOUR SOUL. You look at it. the devil is self-absorbed. he is sad. pathetic. weeping. because sin is sad. the devil is stuck in the ice. frozen. when he beats his wings they make the air in the world around him colder - - (when your own sin/dysfunction is on display it freezes people around you - it isolates them.)*
10:29 - - *When they come to the Beatific Vision of God - - "Love, that moves the sun and the other stars."*
I need this book!
Romanus You can easily find it. I got a great copy and edition on amazon for maybe $20. There are MANY translations. It is, a lot. But it’s well worth the effort.
Great! I will try Dante
I am doing a series about the Comedy on my channel if you are interested
I sincerely did not know that Dante was so highly regarded as a writer. He wrote the divine comedy and further than that I think no one knows what else he wrote (if any). His play was a one hit wonder of sorts. I (and surely many others) know Dante only from the 9 circles of hell narrative. He is more of a footnote than anything else. Not on the level of Shakespeare in my super humble opinion (not an expert).
I’m just finishing up with the divine comedy and I’m curious this Bishops thoughts. But I would’ve thought the church might’ve had a different view, but I guess not…
I've been a subscriber for a long time now and am so glad you did a piece on Dante. Which version and with which commentary do you suggest reading?
I don't have a really good spiritual director so I suppose Bishop Barron will have to do.
nick sibly He’s a great start. Get his companion books for each Holy Season. I did advent and now am working through Lent. They are quick concise but great tools. Word on Fire. Google that. It’s the name of his spiritual theology evangelism
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Please do a video concerning your thoughts on the new st Ignatius of loyola movie
Can anyone help me find the translation the Bishop is talking about by Mark Amusa and penguin? I looked everywhere. Thanks
How in the world on fire are we supposed to get a translation by Musa?
does anyone know if any good movies have been made of this tale?
Bill Tavis 2010 Dante’s inferno with Mark Hamill
@@honestpat7789 thanks I'll check it out
that outro music slaps
hey father, do videos on marcel lefevbre and the sspx!
Finished it about two months ago.
How was it? I'm considering buying the Divine Comedy, but I'm undecided...
I found it to be an intriguing and at times disturbing journey. They call it a poem and though it may be, it takes you on a journey like no other poem I've read. I found it a wonderful read but everyone is different. I recommend it.
Your eminence greetings from Colombia, would you please mind commenting on the Pope's last video? It is somewhat confusing and many people need to understand it and I just can't explain it in my community because I don’t understand it either. I'm tired of explaining things like "What the Pope meant to say was this" or "He doesn't mean this, his message is this other thing" Please help us, I'm beginning to think we have a real problem here. Thanks a lot for your help.
Brutus and Cassius were just mad because they had dork names.
I'm agnostic, but I was raised catholic,and I love your videos bishop. I would say my morals are somewhere between catholics and buddhism, I'm trying to find balance and not bring anything to the extremes, because that is sinful.
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para um religioso; comenta muito bem sobre dramaturgia, e se trata como certa - verdades de contos poéticos - acaba trilhando caminho obscuros para si e outros que venham a aceitar seu exemplo, cuidado pois ao caminhar sobre a escuridão da noite enevoada e sem brilhos de luar ou estrelas, vai sem duvida para lugar nenhum, seu erre é fatal e sua volta muito mais difícil, pois sair do fundo do fosso, é muito mais difícil do que cai nele. seu estado depois da queda é lamentável é suas forças para sair deverão ser redobradas,
I hope I’m not offending anyone, by asking this, but I’m wondering how one can be a bishop if one is also an atheist?
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7:40 The ancient Greeks knew the earth was round, and the medieval certainly knew that. They were just wrong with regard to heliocentricism.
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Let me be clear that I love most of Bishop Barron's commentaries. But there are some commentaries in which he misses the opportunity to set the record straight and defend the Church from the unwarranted attacks of many of its enemies. Most of the time, the commentaries deal with economic issues, but this commentary is related to science.
Few educated men in the 13th Century thought that the earth was flat. After all, Eratosthenes of Cyrene calculated the earth's diameter and got quite close more than 200 years before the birth of Christ. Catholic scholars knew all that. In fact, where Bishop Barron tends to fail greatly is his lack of clarity about the significant contributions that the Church made in the advancement of science. As Thomas Woods asks in his excellent 2005 book, How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization, "Was it just a coincidence that modern science developed in a largely Catholic milieu, or was there something about Catholicism itself that enabled the success of science?"
It may be time for Bishop Barron to try to set the record straight and defend the church by showing just how important it was to the development of what Western Civilization became and to point out that the decline from the peak came after the Enlightenment and the Reformation led us from the right path. Whoever produces these clips might want to have a talk with Dr. Woods.
I describe Hell as a horrible nightmarish place where there's no hope. Only despair and grief. When I die, I hope that I don't end up in Hell. I go to Heaven. I refer Hell as Hades or double hockey sticks. Dante wasn't the only one who saw Hell. A polish nun named Faustina.
Maybe it's just me but when I think of Purgatory and Hell I imagine that my punishment would be having to read Dante and Shakespeare....the horror.
Maybe you should go to the wizard and get yourself a heart, Tin Man.
is this the word on fire channel?
+Yamaneko81 yes it is
And Hollywood hasn’t ruined it with a series of franchise films of uneven quality with bad cgi. Yet. Get in while you still can.
Mr. Barron says that Bob Dylan discovered Dante's The Divine Comedy and it made difference in his life. Where did you get that information? And Mr. Barron's opinion is based on one song "Tangled Up in Blue", where a stripper gives the narrator (not Bob Dylan) a poem written "by an Italian poet from the thirteenth century". There were other Italian poets in the thirteenth century. How did Mr. Barron deduce it was Dante? Bob Dylan never said it was Dante. Finally, the ENTIRE album, which includes the "Tangled Up in Blue" song, was based on short stories by Chekhov. Bob Dylan mentions it in his book. The album was not based on his personal life.
Not many liberl Christians believe in a hell-heaven afterlife today. Does this make reading the Comedy redundant?
You can experience Hell right here on earth, so it is never redundant. It's a book that can benefit everyone.
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I can't believe that the church stole Aristotle thoughts on self discovery and made a Christian tradition.
These are just thoughts being handed down.. Aristotle, Plato, & Socrates...et al. It doesn't really matter which individual spreads a message of Truth
@@cakepastawhey5095 ofc it does. the church is a thief
@@HeroTeo sure sure. My point was that there is good and bad in any institution; The Message is what's important
@@cakepastawhey5095 when i wanna eat food i like it good. not good and bad.
U can't really compare Dante and Shakespeare
Where's my money Shakespeare wrote of the spiritual and divine meaning of life and the humans role for them on earth. Dante wrote of the spiritual and divine meaning of death/eternal life and the role our human life plays in it. So yes. Very comparable.
Dante wasn't into ecumenism.
I think Jesus was, but not at the cost of virtue
Mr. Barron uses T.S. Eliot's "quote" on Dante known to be either inaccurate, or misattributed, or misquoted and out of context, or simply never said by T.S. Eliot. ‘Dante and Shakespeare divide the modern world between them: there is no third’. T.S. Eliot is a smart man. I can't imagine him saying stupid shit like that. He could have said it in the context of poetry construction, though. We will never know. There is no evidence that T.S. Eliot ever said that in interviews, diaries, essays, etc.
Please bishop come out and say you are not a child molester, im confused there so many of them in the holly RC Church.
As a more modern person and especially as one who was raised in a democracy I find it hard to accept that Brutus was in hell. I don't think he belonged there. One could also read Caesar as a very brutal man, like Hitler, willing to slaughter for his own personal wealth and prestige to the point of madness. I could easily see Caesar in one of Satan's mouths.
I was raised a Catholic but thought that the Divine Comedy was really popular literature and not considered a truly important book by the church. I'm 72 and perhaps that's changed?
You may very well have three living Popes? Even the Church seems to be trying to become more democratic like so many protestant denominations always were.
At a time of real spiritual crisis in college - I'm gay - I found the image of Dante grabbing Satan's hairy legs and climbing down to find himself in Purgatory with Satan's legs sticking up out of the ground at the bottom of the mountain a funny kind of inspirational salvation. That was almost 50 years ago. A psychiatrist i talked to at the time told me I had to accept what I was.
Historians say it's highly likely Shakespeare was a Catholic writer as well.
May I propose Christopher Hitchens for a third, and it is humorous that he perceives the world as round given how hard the church worked to hide what Copernicus had posited years earlier
The spherical nature of the earth was well known and accepted in medieval times. You're getting confused with heliocentricity, which was what Copernicus postulated. Heliocentriciy was postulated by some ancient Greek philosophers but was rejected as the observational evidence available at the time was inconsistent with it. Heliocentricity was not finally proved until the early 19th century, when Bessel detected stellar parallax in the star 61 Cygni.
@@davidmorris2219 I hate when I mix those two up
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Medieval Italian fanfiction. It's not Scripture, but entertainment. I'd rather read a Catholic Bible, and I say this as a Protestant.
How can english speaking people appreciate the Comedy if they don't know Italian!?
Well, we do the best we can with good translations.
yes, probably is the only way.
But it's a pity because I think you loose like 2/3 of the beauty of the Comedy!
Well, of course. But would you prefer that English-speakers never access Dante? I think we have to avoid an elitism.
Yes, I didn't mean to be elitist.
I was speaking sincerely; I've tried to imagine an English translation of Dante and I thought it could be quite boring to read it without the beauty of his poetry.
And this is frustrating because Dante is everything rather than boring.
@@calasalos funny, I’m actually studying Italian, so maybe if I try an English translation of the divine comedy and get better at reading Italian, I’ll try out the original version after.
7/10, poem doesn't rhyme.
‼️Catholics interpreting the Bible is like chiropractors doing surgery 😂 don’t trust it
Dante lies Greek are show as good souls but they were witches , hell is real no comical theme
Hell: No such word was in their vocabulary, and they knew of no such place. No word with the meaning that the English word Hell has now was used or known about unto long after the Bible. It is not in Greek literature in New Testament times or before, first-century writers did not use it, Josephus or any other historian of that time did not use it, it is not in the Septuagint. A place where God will torment the lost forever after the Judgment Day was not known about. the concept of the place called hell, or the name hell is not in the bible, and does not occur in any writing of either the Hebrews or the Greeks until long after the Bible.
The Old Testament Hebrew, or the New Testament Greek, has no word that is even close to today’s English word “hell.” How do we know about this place called hell? Where did hell come from? It is not in the Bible. Neither is the name “hell” in the Bible. Where did it come from? Not by faith that comes by hearing God’s word.
It is from the doctrines and precepts of men [Matthew 15:9]. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
It was not used in the first century because it was a word that was not in their vocabulary, and a place they know nothing about. (William Robert West, If the Soul or Spirit Is Immortal, There Can Be No Resurrection from the Dead, Third Edition, originally published as The Resurrection and Immortality [Bloomington, IN: Author House, September 2006] p. 138.)