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I think whats interesting is that you can frame each style differently than the surface level A lot of Eastern Media like Shounen Anime get criticised for having a perfect character with no flaws, but its intended to show the moral integrity of a character, a shining beacon of hope and strength, that should be strived for, and how the world changes around them. Tanjiro and Goku are examples of this. Beams of joy, happiness, and yet unending willpower. Naruto types do actually change as they grow, taking on aspects of the world around them WHILE affecting it. Meanwhile, Western Media, as you said tends to have flawed characters, but shows their struggles of them being changed by the world of the story. But you did some it up perfectly "Im just like him" vs "I should be like him"
Naruto is tricky. Because as he does change a lot externally (his external conflicts: Sasuke, Pain, etc) and his personal relations grow and change a lot (see Sakura, Jiraiya, Kakashi, etc), bat Naruto as a character fundamentally, from a interior conflict pov, does not change. He becomes stronger, his relationships tighten, but Naruto at the end of the story is open hearted, pure and genuine as he was at the beginning, and that was the key for his external growth and personal relationships. If he does have flows (maybe externalized through dialogue) they do not inhibit his external and personal progress. We don't identify with Naruto, we are brought to aspire to be like him. This brings him to be on par as characters like Tanjiro, Goku, Buffy and many others. Thanks for the comment mate, I'm happy you enjoyed the video! 💪🏻♥️
I am not thinking to hard but western equivalents I can think of are super heroes (mainly Superman and Captain America), Jesus Christ, and most recently Kratos from the new God of War games. Also, another main difference I have seen between western and eastern stories is Asian stories usually have a 4 act structure as oppose to 3.
Most Western comic book heroes are (or where) paragons; they are meant to inspire us to be better, like their Eastern counterparts. The West has moved away from paragon heroes within the last few decades, which is terrible because it deprives us of role models to aspire towards.
If you think about it, Japanese people work a lot and often do overtime. They seem dead inside (not an insult), but animes tend to help them by showing a perfect example. Don't give up!!
Sum up... West mainly use principles: conflict, identification and ruthlessness. East mainly use: balance (nakama), idealization and order (obligations to the clan). ( ua-cam.com/video/C8GfShiu72k/v-deo.htmlsi=E2xPnZ8U-PA5rJoY ) Tks... now i got it the main cultural difference.
Thinking more about my favorite anime, a TON of shows are like this, beyond Shonen. The "perfect character" archetype. Personally, its one of the things that I've been very peeved by in Eastern media because I think that it makes the journey of a character not feel as justified. But, from the same veign, I think there are plenty of Eastern stories that include immense growth while having an extremely strong internal resilience. Although, I do have a nagging feeling that there is a lot of nuance that isn't being portrayed adequately. Like, while this kind of character is common in Eastern stories, are there good examples of characters that do fundamentally change from a flawed person to something else? Flaws that aren't superficial but are genuinely keeping them from their goal. Edward Elric comes to mind, but that show was remarkably western in its construction, so im not sure if thats accurate. I think this concept could use more research. Thats the tldr of what im trying to say, but I truly think you are tapping into some good metacommentary about Eastern vs Western storytelling.
This is a great comment, with which I fully agree with. This video scratches just the surface of this subject. A full analysis would require at least a 4 hour masterclass :D You're also right when you talk about storytelling contamination between west and east. I tried to only have case studies that didn't have, or at least at a minimum level, this contamination. Finding new products nowadays without it is always tougher, especially within the eastern media landscape, that sees itself contaminated more and more with the years. Just consider Parasite by Bong Joon Ho (3 act structure, character flaws, monster in my house etc).
I finally could pinpoint why I can't like Attack on Titan, even though, in a way, I admit it being a masterpiece. It just does not inspire ... The whole story it's about a impossible situation with no possible good ending. The main characters are reckless, keep changing, and the only one who kinda stays true to himself, Levi, ends up losing everything, betrayed by everything he hoped for... . And, even though it started flawlessly, the same looks like it goes on with Jujutsu Kaisen, and maybe it will be brought to other animes too ... For the western audience, who does not care about inspiring characters, only about fight, sex and blood.
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I think whats interesting is that you can frame each style differently than the surface level
A lot of Eastern Media like Shounen Anime get criticised for having a perfect character with no flaws, but its intended to show the moral integrity of a character, a shining beacon of hope and strength, that should be strived for, and how the world changes around them. Tanjiro and Goku are examples of this. Beams of joy, happiness, and yet unending willpower. Naruto types do actually change as they grow, taking on aspects of the world around them WHILE affecting it.
Meanwhile, Western Media, as you said tends to have flawed characters, but shows their struggles of them being changed by the world of the story.
But you did some it up perfectly "Im just like him" vs "I should be like him"
Naruto is tricky. Because as he does change a lot externally (his external conflicts: Sasuke, Pain, etc) and his personal relations grow and change a lot (see Sakura, Jiraiya, Kakashi, etc), bat Naruto as a character fundamentally, from a interior conflict pov, does not change. He becomes stronger, his relationships tighten, but Naruto at the end of the story is open hearted, pure and genuine as he was at the beginning, and that was the key for his external growth and personal relationships. If he does have flows (maybe externalized through dialogue) they do not inhibit his external and personal progress. We don't identify with Naruto, we are brought to aspire to be like him. This brings him to be on par as characters like Tanjiro, Goku, Buffy and many others.
Thanks for the comment mate, I'm happy you enjoyed the video! 💪🏻♥️
@@TheItalianScreenwriter Sorr but Naruto is nothing like Tanjiro or Goku only if you look very superficially
I am not thinking to hard but western equivalents I can think of are super heroes (mainly Superman and Captain America), Jesus Christ, and most recently Kratos from the new God of War games. Also, another main difference I have seen between western and eastern stories is Asian stories usually have a 4 act structure as oppose to 3.
You’re comment about eastern stories usually having 4 acts is spot on!
Most Western comic book heroes are (or where) paragons; they are meant to inspire us to be better, like their Eastern counterparts. The West has moved away from paragon heroes within the last few decades, which is terrible because it deprives us of role models to aspire towards.
If you think about it, Japanese people work a lot and often do overtime. They seem dead inside (not an insult), but animes tend to help them by showing a perfect example. Don't give up!!
Good point! Never give up 💪🏻
Great video explaining the stark differences between the two traditions
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Amazing one! Congrats bro 🎉
No, you’re amazing
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Sum up...
West mainly use principles: conflict, identification and ruthlessness.
East mainly use: balance (nakama), idealization and order (obligations to the clan).
( ua-cam.com/video/C8GfShiu72k/v-deo.htmlsi=E2xPnZ8U-PA5rJoY )
Tks... now i got it the main cultural difference.
Thinking more about my favorite anime, a TON of shows are like this, beyond Shonen. The "perfect character" archetype. Personally, its one of the things that I've been very peeved by in Eastern media because I think that it makes the journey of a character not feel as justified.
But, from the same veign, I think there are plenty of Eastern stories that include immense growth while having an extremely strong internal resilience.
Although, I do have a nagging feeling that there is a lot of nuance that isn't being portrayed adequately. Like, while this kind of character is common in Eastern stories, are there good examples of characters that do fundamentally change from a flawed person to something else? Flaws that aren't superficial but are genuinely keeping them from their goal. Edward Elric comes to mind, but that show was remarkably western in its construction, so im not sure if thats accurate.
I think this concept could use more research. Thats the tldr of what im trying to say, but I truly think you are tapping into some good metacommentary about Eastern vs Western storytelling.
This is a great comment, with which I fully agree with. This video scratches just the surface of this subject. A full analysis would require at least a 4 hour masterclass :D
You're also right when you talk about storytelling contamination between west and east. I tried to only have case studies that didn't have, or at least at a minimum level, this contamination. Finding new products nowadays without it is always tougher, especially within the eastern media landscape, that sees itself contaminated more and more with the years. Just consider Parasite by Bong Joon Ho (3 act structure, character flaws, monster in my house etc).
Sorry but there are tons of anime characters that are not flawless have you only watched shonen and isekai?
I finally could pinpoint why I can't like Attack on Titan, even though, in a way, I admit it being a masterpiece. It just does not inspire ... The whole story it's about a impossible situation with no possible good ending. The main characters are reckless, keep changing, and the only one who kinda stays true to himself, Levi, ends up losing everything, betrayed by everything he hoped for... . And, even though it started flawlessly, the same looks like it goes on with Jujutsu Kaisen, and maybe it will be brought to other animes too ... For the western audience, who does not care about inspiring characters, only about fight, sex and blood.
This not bad a veri interessino video well done!
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Wow! I never looked at storytelling in the East or West like that before
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@ awesome work. Keep it up
Hai 40 anni.. ancora con sti cartoni animati?
Never
спасибо, очень интересно :з
большое спасибо
Wow, so good, so brave, so lame
Stop it.
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