The B&M Shake that has new trains running like old ones
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
- These are my thoughts about the shake that has B&M trains moving around so much on the new tracks they are building.
Not affiliated with B&M and these are my opinions.
That intro was so hilarious! I'm pretty sure the other guests thought I was day drinking, walking down the Gemini Midway. Just laughing and stumbling from laughing so hard. Great open Ryan.
@@LTCoasters thanks!
You would think they would have this figured out after so many decades. Dude, the interview portion was superb.
@@porcelainthunder2213 thanks!
I’m not an engineer but when I started to hear about this shake I thought it might be a tolerance issue. Initially I wondered if the wheel compound changed.
When I first subscribed to this channel it had a little more than 200 subscribers. Then the Fury Crack video really blew up, and things have come so far since. Congrats Ryan!!!
Given B&M's reputation, I think it would make a lot of sense if the shake were being caused by a part they have to source from somewhere else. I wouldn't think they would just start making lower quality rides out of nowhere when quality is the number one selling point of a B&M coaster. A parts manufacturer they can't control making a slight change seems to perfectly fit the scenario, especially if older coasters are developing this shake after a refurbishment. It also makes me wonder if Goliath at Six Flags Over Georgia has been experiencing a similar issue. It has had a pretty rough shake for quite a long time, and I wonder if Over Georgia's maintenance team has been using parts that aren't from/approved by B&M.
the weird thing of nemesis reborn is its beautifully smooth throughout the whole layout but the last turn into the brakes the train just shudders, one train now has a buzzing sound coming from its wheels..
the easiest way to understand what people are on about about with the rattle is just to watch any of the nemesis reborn povs a couple times and just listen (not look for the rattle). then play an old nemesis pov.
Nemesis Reborn feels great!! Maybe on the brakes, but I was amazed how smooth the retrack was. Vehicles are original but refurbished, right?!
@@juanacho indeed rides brilliantly. yes refurbed trains
I was absolutely gutted when Channel 5 didn't use your full name for that documentary, genuinely gave me a what the hell moment so its good to see it get rectified in the intro
@@daniellittle1934 it’s no big deal.
😂@@ryantheridemechanic
Back in the 90s the old Dinn coasters had a reputation for "bounce" and "shuffle". The bounce was the vertical movement and the shuffle was the horizontal hunting of the coaches as they rolled down the wooden track. Denise Dinn Larrick said they would make the track gauge slightly more narrow in the turns to reduce hunting, and noted that a special construction technique had to be followed in order to do that correctly. Around that same time, B&M introduced that steering linkage that you call a crossbar here. I had assumed that was to keep the wheel carriers together to reduce hunting. I'm surprised that there are cases where they don't use one.
@@classicamusementparks yea don’t know why they went away from that other than cleaning up the appearance of the trains.
That intro was golden!!!😂😂😂😂😂
@@djflash84 thanks. Love doing fun things like that from time to time.
That intro...chef's kiss
Excellent Video. Alton Towers is my local park, so I get to ride Nemesis most weeks. The ride has improved a lot since it was re-tracked and feels faster, I believe early on it was going too fast. The only real shaking I can feel is as the train comes off the last corner into the brake run. The only difference to me is the restraints, the original trains I was held in really tight, where with the new trains there is room to spare, which for me enhances the ride experience, for some might be a bit scary. The other thing which we felt affected the old Nemesis was heat, it ran rougher on hot days and was brilliant in the rain, we haven't ridden the new re-tracked Nemesis in the heat, since we haven't had many hot days this year.
@@richywiggins3845 good to know thanks!
We need to get this man a million subscribers.
@@vertigo300 that would be sweet!
I hear Dr Diabolical also has this issue and my home park fans are worried about Wrath of Rakshasa
@@DokiKimori understandably so
Unfortunately I’d go in to it assuming there will be a shake - since we’ve heard nothing about new components yet.
This is going to be a B&M trait until it isn’t.
@@Danrarbc I think it’s a remnant from Covid supply chain issues.
@@ryantheridemechanic Well. If that’s the case hopefully B&M can apply some pressure to the supplier and get them to go back to the old tolerances.
Penguin trek has some shakiness to it as well. This a brand new family coaster at Seaworld and it barely goes over 40 mph. You get on Mako and its glass smooth at 80+ mph. Have noticed even with Hulk at IOA after the retrack just a few years ago it is already really rough. It aged alot quicker than the original track. Phoenix rising at Busch Gardens has a rattle too. Regardless of what the issue is it exists with all their new generation models. The quality of B&M's has gone down hill hard over the past 5-7 years. Same expensive price but not the same expensive smooth ride. Will be interesting to see if the new for 2025 dive and wing coasters will feature the same issues.
Had a very smooth ride on Hulk this week. Seems so hit or miss. Hot and humid ... same weather every day all summer long.
Got jackhammered a few weeks ago. Same row this week ... glass smooth.
I'm a fan of early B&M inverts and have ridden many of them. Something has progressively changed because they have gotten noticeably worse. Like the OG Batman at SFGA is nearly perfect and feels very solid. It tracks exceptionally well and I didn't feel any noticeable rattles or shakes (I rode this one later and was shocked how good it still rode). But the later clones and variations like Flight Deck at CGA and Batman at SFMM are still very solid but not the same. Fast forward to Silver Bullet and it's worse, then Banshee has a noticeable rattle. Now Nemesis is apparently worse. I figured the later ones were bigger so maybe that was it but that doesn't explain why the clones aren't the same. I also rode Deja Vu at SFMM and then later rode Aftershock at Silverwood and Aftershock is by far and away better than Deja Vu ever was but it's a clone. I know those are Vekoma but same ride made at a similar time and one for some reason is miles better seemed weird to me. I never thought much of it until this video.
I fully realize that B&M is a popular maker, and that almost every coaster fan (or enthusiasts) finds them awesome. But I personally don't think they're THAT incredible. Like the designs, the fun, and always enjoy a B&M. But honestly, I've always found them somewhat rough. Not horribly, but definitely forceful to the point of occasional discomfort. I've also had a screw hit me and a fellow paseenger, leaving scrapes that bled. Mind you, I laughed, because I told everyone Montu bit me! 😅
And also, sometimes recently, on other coasters by B&M that I've ridden around the country, the brakes are sudden or squeaky. Maybe it's just a "me" thing. I will add that most riders who aren't versed in coasters, tend to not even notice the janks. They're too thrilled to even be on em. 😂Love you and your opinion. Thanks for always giving me a grin and making my mental wheels turn.
@@batshtcrazy5293 any time!
The Swarm and Mandrill Mayhem, both B&M wings, have a bounce which feels distinct from Nemesis' shake on the last turn into the brakes.
Probably because they’re wing coasters and you’re far away from the centre of the train so every small vibration is exacerbated
@@antonytsai6611 Correct. Winged train designs enhance any force transferred in to them from the center assembly. And they’ll tend to bounce even if the initial force was lateral.
I would argue I've done the Swarm atleast over 30 times and only ever had one ride when there was abit of a rattle (and that was just after rain).
Mandrill definitely does have a shake though, expecially right ride... And nemesis there is an obvious bounce and rattle around every turn.
An invert by B&M is my favorite coaster by far. Poor Nemesis!
Can we do the Scooby-Doo intro next week???
Newmesis has new trains, at a talk we were told the new rain catchers are what causes the majority of the rattle. Nemesis inferno doesnt suffer from the issue, one train is rougher due to the mix of nylon and poly wheels.
From what I read it sounded like the trains were refurbished. One other thing is the track is now sand filled. I feel the replacement is slower and it is really annoying. Supposedly the jumanji coaster at Cwoa is also affected.
I really like your documentary style! 😂
Good video!
@@knatt5300 thanks!
I've ridden both the og nemesis and reborn. To me, reborn tracks smoother than the og, which was never rough but felt like it had aged a bit since opening. I rode Nemesis Inferno on Monday which is usually glass smooth but it had a very small shake just like old nemesis.
Reborn did have a slight vibration but was barely noticable and didn't affect the ride experience. I also found Mandrill Mayem smooth but maybe it was because I was trying to move the vests away from my shoulders.
I pray Rapterra does not fall victim to this...
Or wrath of rakshasa
oh and apparently Alton Towers have identified what is causing the trains to rattle and they said they are fixing it in the off season. They have not specified what it is but seeing as they are doing it in winter when the park is closed suggests that it is extensive
@@madwhipet58 interesting
Nemesis has a shake AND a vibration. I don’t care about either tbh as it doesn’t affect the ride experience in my opinion. I’m quite prone to headaches and feeling sick after rides and i didn’t get anything even after riding it all day and going on it a total of 40 times
11:10 The nemesis trains are simply "refurbished",but I'm unsure as to what has been re-designed/modified
Ive heard people speculate that the track is the issue and it just never made any sense. Clermont Steel does world class work with world class tolerances.
@@TrueLies23 and Clermont is just going to do what B&M tells them to do. So I really doubt it’s the track.
This channel is awesome. Thanks
@@damageinc55 your welcome!
I thought Orion had a lot of rattle when I went on it last month. Went on it 2 times and it was the only ride at all of Kings Island that gave me a headache
They are the new arrows. Brutally rough
I was so surprised when I rode Gatekeeper this season. Always my smooth go-to, it’s definitely started to get just a bit shaky. Not enough to make me not ride it, but it’s lost its buttery smoothness!
The trains on nemesis are not new. I spoke with the a maintenance engineer and he said they went under a major refurb in 2018 with new seat columns etc but they are still the old ones.
In the last 2 seasons, I notice what I call more a rattle in mainly the valleys on banshee and diamondback at King's Island.
Maybe they outsourced wheel carriers to Zamperla?
@@kmh032008 ha!
Brilliant as always 🎉
@@dannyj.246 thanks!
Another solid intro! 👍🏻
I've always wondered if it was something to do with vest restraints vs normal restraints, being that in my experience it feels like I have more freedom in a standard OTSR, causing the forces I feel to be dampened slightly, but I guess this nemesis reborn stuff challenges that theory lol.
I don't know about a B&M shake but the B&M rattle is real. Seems to happen on the Hypers when coming down from an airtime moment.
@@eddie6198 bushings and wheels.
Behemoth @Canada's Wonderland has acquired a headache inducing rattle exactly where you describe, the bottom (valley) after each airtime hill.
Each visit can only ride twice, with hours between rides...😢
im still wondering about iron menace's big jolt at the end. also in videos of it testing, at the top of the zero g roll you can see how the entire train essentially wobbles. what i find interesting though is that this shake is stronger when the train is travelling slower (at least on nemesis - the final turn is apparently the worst bit and you can actually hear it in onride videos)
So maybe it rly is smth to do with the track manufacturing and Clermont Steel changed their tolerances after the pandemic
I just rode Phoenix Rising at Busch Gardens Tampa and was surprised to find that also had the same sort of shake as Nemesis Reborn.
Man, the last ride I had Dr Diabolical's Cliffhanger shook so bad after the final zero grav hill I thought the train had malfunctioned or there was a flat wheel on one of the side or top trucks.
It’s part of the reason I love Iron Menace. Not only is it absurdly intense compared to the snooze fests of Griffon and Valravn, the roughness makes it feel completely out of control, it’s fucking awesome
@@DerangedleftyMakes sense seeing that Menace is fittingly themed to a 1930's ore hauler. I'm not the kinda guy to say that "it rides like one too", but it checks out. Still find the RMC Raptors and their horrible track transitions worse than any jolt or bump that Menace has.
The intro reminds me of the Demon soundtrack 😂
Send to six flags management
I noticed this on penguin trek in Seaworld.
@@emersongralia7387 even at the lower speed hu?
Nemesis has new trains👍
Great insight thanks
Dominator had a REALLY bad shake when I was at Kings Dominion two years ago.
@@gerarddip it’s been happening for a while now. Just getting more on the radar.
Must be from after they moved it. I remember it being super smooth at Geauga Lake.
@@anderfrank1
The thing is, I’ve heard people repeatedly praise dominator (in its KD incarnation) for its smoothness. People sound shocked when I tell them about the insane painful jackhammering I experienced.
This made my day ❤😅
Greetings from germany 🥰
@@HoschyAllround great!!
Hopefully B&M gets a service bulletin out there at some point because this has become a pretty pronounced and dramatic trend.
I’m shocked nothing has come out in this front yet. Smoothness was a massive component of the B&M brand and it won’t take too many of these shaking rides to change that reputation.
Here's the thing guys, most average people don't even notice the things we're all here discussing. They are wooping it up, and some are scared all to hell. For you, and many others on Ryan's vids, we are enthusiasts. We notice every little flaw, every element, and every brilliance. So l kind of doubt very many people have complained, and certainly not to the company. Interesting, tho.
I thought you were going to give us a Voight-Kampff test, lol
With nemesis one of the trains is new the other train is a mix of the 2 old trains
Either B&M cheaped out on something or Rothe did
I ride Raptor and Banshee all the time. Raptor is 30 years old and a much smoother ride than Banshee. Banshee has a noticeable rattle especially in the back row. I don't understand it at all considering how much newer Banshee is. Your not getting thrown up against anything but it is the kind of experience where you feel like your teeth are chattering and whatnot. Raptor is also much more whippy when it comes to its inversions while Banshee may have a lot of positives but its overall a more graceful design.
@@TheCoasterSerpent when you say teeth chattering I feel that’s just the nylon wheels.
If your theory is correct, wouldn't it actually mean that the manufacturer of the replacement slewing rings would be responsible for the damage/wear to the rest of the trains, caused by their product being out-of-spec?
the rattle.... *Shudders*
😂 to funny. Awesome video Ryan
@@loridelaney4443 thanks!
@@ryantheridemechanic loving your channel ❤️
Hi Ryan, I was wondering if you could do a video on height requirements on rides, how the fit of the restraints (or lack thereof) would be for people who don't meet the height requirement, and for people who would never reach the height requirement, could a supplemental restraint or harness be designed that would allow them to fit securely in the rides
10/10 intro on this one!
@@lildishwasher9844 thank you!
Maybe they changed wheel compound.
@@4everpee I’ve talked with several parks where they used old wheels so it’s out of the equation.
Parks change wheel compounds for temperature performance all the time.
@@ryantheridemechanic It could be B&M tried to increase income be reducing quality a little and subconctraction does the same thing. It could be both at the same time.
Love this theory. My only question is if it is from “hunting” why is it always in the same exact part of the track each cycle. Batman the dark knight at sfne has had a nasty jolt at the apex of the last corkscrew since the day it was built which to me is a track defect. Could these pieces be over tightened to the trailers they’re arriving on which would slightly bend the rails enough to create a dent or pothole like defect? I’ve often wondered.
Any idea why Iron Menace's rattle is so much worse in the back row compared to the front? I rode it about 15 or 16 times evenly spread out over the 3 rows and the back row was so much worse.
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that the front row doesn’t have a floor and the second and third lows do
@@jellisgamesandreviews could be just the accordion effect catching up from being pulled.
Nemesis got new trains I believe.
@@simoncurrie5520 makes the most sense.
They're fully refurbished but essentially still the original trains, just all new parts.
@@christtototottottott really?! Is that your thought or do you know that for sure?
@@ryantheridemechanicyeah, it's confirmed they are refurbished trains. Both in news interviews, by the new designer (John Burton) aswell as in the VIP behind the scenes tours they ran a few months ago
@@rideexpedition thanks!
I prefer a strawberry shake 😂
The Gen 2 hyper trains with the V offset seating have been bad since the day they were installed.
Like the fun intro… fun change up
I'm not a fan of B&M ..After a few seasons they are like riding a woody in a wheel seat. The inverts bang your head even fury vibrates in the rear outside seat. Valravn at CP has gotten pretty bad. The 2nd dive drop at the bottom is bad,It messes with my vision and wont ride it unless its front row. Even iron Menace at dorney has a bad shake at the end..Another great video
Thank you
With Nemesis "Reborn" and Mandrills Mayhem its a vibration up and down. not side to side hunting.....
Boring and mild rattle 😂🥃
5:20 resonance or loose tolerances.