My home park is Valleyfair, and I appreciate that the park and maintenance crew have kept the holding brake on their Impulse operating. Ridden it dozens of times, and the holding brake is always working. I love how high up it kicks in if you’re in the very back row and hearing the screams from people that didn’t know it was coming!
Man it’s literally the last one left. My home park has an impulse with holding break and it’s been turned off/broken since its 2nd year of operation. I mean logistically it’s 1 element of the ride and to shut the whole ride down just cuz it doesn’t work. I can see how they justify that. It’s like a splashdown effect not spraying up water but still working and they shut down the whole ride to fix the splash. Idk I want nothing more for six flags to get that holding break working again but they never will. Improper maintenance. Like valley fair works on it regularly so it’s not much as a major under taking more like normal maintenance
IMO the discovery kingdom version is the best one. It's really awesome to go through the barrel roll especially in the 4th or 5th seat where the first and third run they pause upside down when the train reverses direction.
Thank you for providing the correct pronunciation. I had to pause the video right after the first mispronunciation to make sure someone got it right! Now, back to the video😊
The day I went to Valley Fair theirs was down, now I understand why! They must be doing constant maintenance to stay on top of the stress keeping that holding brake causes. Good for them!
Very grateful for finding this channel. I'm not sure how old this channel is, but I believe that you've just created a whole new genre of coaster content.
As someone who went to GEAUGA ( G-ahh-gaa ) weekly for years and years. I cringed when you said it lol. My first coaster ever was the double loop at this park. An arrow double vertical Loop. Fun fact : It was the largest amusement park in the country when it was Six Flags world of Adventure.
I was fortunate enough to ride one while the holding brake was still a thing. I was a young little coaster enthusiast back then and it was one of my favorite moments for a long time. Got a last ride on Wicked Twister in 2018. Great ride. RIP
Yes, I LOVE the holding brake! I've only ever experienced it on Valleyfair's Impulse coaster, which has consistently worked every time I visit. Nice to learn so much about how the "train-park" system works. I didn't realize they were LIMs; I thought they were friction-brakes, for some reason haha
I remember talking to a CP welder, and he told us that nearly every night they were at Wicked Twister fixing cracks. Over the summer, we stayed at Breakers, and seen them out welding on Magnum (totally unrelated, it was just pretty cool) and took a walk down the beach to see what they were doing.
I remember visiting in 2002 and seeing exactly what you described. It ended up being down for a portion of our visit while they added a couple extra small supports as an extension to keep the upper part of the spike from shaking so much. I think you can tell if you look at the media day pictures versus pictures in recent years at the top of the main support frame.
Man, I so miss Wicked Twister, shame that they didn't relocate it. My favorite seat of that ride was the second last row right hand side, when it launches completely up the back tower, the car in front of you moves out of the way and you're staring straight at the ground and you also get a bit of airtime too.
@@markvolpe2305yesss, I always went for that or the very last row! Always avoided the middle since it never got a good view, or up a spike all the way! Just visited its headstone this weekend 🥲
@@markvolpe2305 Yes that rear seat {& seat3 (frt/rt car2) & front S1 are the best seats on these rides! I've always said that the VIEW up/down the tower from that position is like 30% of the total ride experience!! ttd2ron4695
When you were talking about the track moving while the train is parked in the station. I won't be surprised if Wicked Twister did that, just because how much the back tower shook.
I think that Dorney ought to bring it back when they do the proposed re-paint/theming of the ride to fit the name sake. Instead of it firing every ride cycle though, program it to fire every 3-5 cycles randomly (like it's possessed).
Gee aw guh - Geauga Lake. Superman Ultimate Escape / Steel Venom. And it was epic . Best seat was the very last seat on the train so when you held at the top you got the best view and best drop.
It's "G" aga lake... Like Geeeee whiz....lol We forgive you, you are too cool to be mad at....lol Thanks for covering this....I was always curious about these coasters...I know they used a TON of power to launch those trains... So they are using magnetic brake to use as a holding brake... I thought they used a friction brake...cause what I have seen makes it look like it...buy the way the jolt of the riders...but it's just an observation but it's nice to know the way it really works...
I absolutely LOVE the holding brake, the first swing coaster I rode was Steel Venom at GL and the feeling was absolutely amazing. Ive also ridden Steel Venom at Valleyfair and I Loved it just as much, the straight spike with the hold is so much better than the twisted rear spike. Its incredible to know its only 1/4 to 1/2 second, it certainly feels like longer!
As another posted, I worked at Steel Venom at Valleyfair and got to know the ride very well along with the maintenance team. (If you need some pictures of anything in the electrical room, I got a few around for you that were taken with park permission.) They have done a great job keeping it running well, even after a full control systems replacement, along with a lightning strike that took out the park break for about two weeks in 2018.
Can you confirm if it was modified around covid? It was not operating for a season or two and then suddenly in 2021 it started working reliably and has been ever since.
@@JMANWiSS if I remember right it was around 2019, and didn’t have any season long downtime at all. I saw it operating every visit. Generally it’s been a reliable ride for Valleyfair. They take good care of it. Only ever had operational downtime with it really. (Due to guests doing something stupid, or illness) Only rarely had mechanical but when it did occur it was lengthy due to needing parts from Intamin.
@@AlanJohnsrud Last fall out seemed to go down every 2-3 cycles for some reason and then they'd have to empty the train and run a test cycle. Not sure if that was due to blowing leaves in the laser eye or just operator issue. They'd then switch ops and they'd be able to send it first try
@@JMANWiSS likely light curtain issues, happened a lot In July with butterflies in the area. Anything bigger than 3 light beams would cause a quick stop condition that needed to be reset. However you didn't need to cycle empty for that. They likely did that to use the trains wind to blow things out of the way. Which kinda works but doesn't solve the issue. So that would definitely be an operational issue and not anything to do with mechanical issues.
I'm from Ohio, and used to go to Geauga Lake, I cringed lol. I used to love that ride as a kid, went to Dorney a few years ago and got to re-ride it, was cool and also weird.
It's worth noting that all the impulse coasters were totally under supported when they were originally built. Look at pictures of them during their opening year, the spikes had no vertical supports. Additional supports were added on to all the twist and spike impulses at the same time (except the one at discovery kingdom, which is probably why it moves more than the others). Steel Venom operated for the least amount of time before receiving the additional support, and opened with the revised trains like Wicked Twister. Operating the holding brake for years without the additional support probably put tons of strain on all the other impulses.
You’ve missed one impulse that didn’t mentioned! Screaming Condor at LeoFoo Village in my country ~ But based on my research, seems that our impulse didn’t install that holding brake from the very beginning 🤔 And somehow other foreign coaster enthusiasts said that our impulse coaster operates a little bit slower than others… Maybe due to power constraints or park regulations or so 🤔
There was also Linear Gale at Tokyo Dome city which I believe was the original inverted impulse. I don’t think it had a holding break, and no twist in the front, all the track was straight.
Dorney's has not been turned on in years, for pretty much all the reasons here I would think. This did remind me of something interesting though: one behavior it would do, particularly when it was hot out I think, would be after swing 6 it would brake normally, jog back to the station, but then send the train about 5-6 cars out of the back of the station before attempting to park again. Didn't always do it, but I now have to wonder if that was net weirdness, or maybe some sort off cool-down program. I was a ride op on Stinger, that thing was pretty complicated and finnickey as well.
I have never been to Cedar Point. What kind of impulse coaster did they have in the park? Did they have the stop function? I always wondered why they removed it. The coaster seemed to be loved.
Wicked Twister was a newer model with the twists on both sides it was removed a few years ago for a restaurant and a few other rides (wild mouse), I've heard that the parts went to Dorney to maintain Possessed (previously Steel Venom at geauga lake)
I remember riding superman ride of steel at Geauga Lake which is now possessed at dorney. The holding brake was the best part and made the screeching noise.Towards the end of the park I rode that ride fir almost an hour straight,only getting up to switch seats...
Okay Ryan.....Flash at SFDK in Vallejo has the train removed AGAIN after going through a quite extensive refurbishment..... Any insight on wtf is going on with it?
@@IAmAnonymyz rehab or repair? I only ask because once you put a train on… the clock starts ticking. So if I start a train in September, take it off for a lengthy repair, then put it back on in July, the train can only run until September. When I visited in May, it was off for repair. Train was still at the ride.
@@ryantheridemechanic as of tonight it's been completely removed from the tracks. I couldn't get pics as I saw it from Jokers lift hil. I do recall it being SBNO for quite a few years up until Scream Break in 2022 when it FINALLY started running again. Not sure EXACTLY what's going on but it seems too soon for another track-off inspection. I know you have experience with V2 or a similar impulse coaster so figured I'd ask if you had any idea what could be happening
@@ryantheridemechanic unsure if the initial lengthy SBNO was a rehab or refurbishment. The mechanics were present when it first started running again during 2022 Scream Break so I asked them about it as they were monitoring the runs and operations and it sounded like refurbishment as the ride quality was near what it was in 2001 when it still has the dual spikes and holding brake... Now if they could retrofit Kong with Vekomas newest restraints and trains to get rid of that God-Awful ride quality.... Damn thing feels like it could pass for an Inverted Arrow 🤣🤣🤣
On Mr Freeze the vertical motors actually push the train up and then back down. It will valley without that extra downward thrust. A very weird feeling to be accelerated down that tower. The Gs at the bottom pullout are very intense.
So essentially the ride structure is ringing like a bell or probably more accurately oscillating like a tuning fork. I always wondered if they used a capacitor bank of some sort to drive the motors or possibly recoup some of the energy
When Geaugua Lake in Ohio was Six Flags, they had built many new coasters, one being an Intamin impulse with a holding brake. I loved it. Best part about it was it holding you for a brief second. Once Geaugua Lake closed, that ride went to Dorney Park and became possessed. Well the holding brake no longer works and it cost to much to fix it so they just don’t bother with it. Typical for Intamin to make something that cost a lot to fix if it broke.
it was working at Dorney Park until I believe 2014-2015, the LIM's are still present on the back tower, but they just don't use them, I wish they would modify it or make it more reliable and re enable it.
I talked with the Mechanics at Six Flags Discovery Kingdom and they said the holding brakes supposidely showed signs of internal cracking so they were left deactivated. It sucks because that was the best part of the ride until they got busted by Vallejo for violating the city height limit by "fudging numbers" and had to do that stupid "45° inline twist. I was lucky enough to experience it when it was still V2 and had the holding brake active. I've also noticed that "parked movement". Discovery Kingdom has the 45° inline twist so id bet the movement has something to do with the 30ft reduction of the rear spike and the stretched out inline twist.
Got to ride possessed with its holding brake back in 2015 and was easily one of the best coasters I’ve ridden at the time. It’s a shame they don’t ever use it anymore, but I have a feeling Dorney might give it a chance to upgrade.
I loved riding Possessed this summer on my trip to Dorney Park. I was still lamenting the fact that TT2 was going to probably down all summer so I had to turn to lim coasters to get a little of that magnetic adrenaline rush. I doubt the tower brakes were used as dont remember the sudden drop onto my harness. That would have made it even more fun. The part I remember the most was the very hard and sudden abrupt stop before the train slowly backs up to home. Oh, and the lim scream can't forget that some lady asked me "are people screaming?" I told her no I'm pretty sure thats the ride (drive), Haha! Go to Dorney and ride Possessed and its new friend Iron Menace.
9:55 steel venom does not do this. none of the brakes go down until swing 6. Also when the holding brake engages it does not slip, it actually moves the train upward very slightly.
An erroneous alarm! Lol Sounds like they tried disabling it on the Controls PLC without checking for interlocks with the other system. I’ve learned a lot on the job while trying to just disable a function that was never intended to be turned off with just a push of a button on the HMI.
Certainly hope not. I can’t see what else they could get at that park within the height limitations that would be as cool. Please come back V2! And while you’re at it, maybe something beyond 1 train ops for every ride. :( such a beautiful spot and great rides when everything’s running.
For LIMs on the rear tower brake, there has to be slippage. An LIM cannot hold at a full stop. Worse, at near stop, the LIM will use maximum current to try and hold the train vertical. There are only two ways to get a full stall under load, and that would be to use a LSM or put a set of friction brakes. An eddy current brake set would, like an LIM, require slippage to create resistance to motion.
Allentown like the Billy Joel Song, or if you want to be really technical the park is in South Whitehall township. I worked there for 3 years before Cedar Fair bought them and two years after. I was a ride operator for Hercules and the log flume as well as several other smaller rides. I once was paid for an hour to ride Hercules non-stop while they filmed an ad.
Geauga "Jee-ahh-ga" lake. 🙂 That park is a tragic loss within itself. Pretty much along the same with Astroland and Opryland.. I wish i could have visited those parks back in their heyday.
Once six flags overbuilt Geauga Lake it was over with. The infrastructure both inside and outside of the park were for a little regional park, not the largest amusement park in the world.
@@ryantheridemechanic Just did and I found some lol. The paint scheme was yellow and blue…I see how they unraveled it to make it flat. Dang what a nightmare that must have been lol. It was definitely early on when they modified it cause pics from 2002 so about a year later show the front spike as flat.
Thank you for this, I was always curious about this feature. My home park ( Six Flags Great America in Gurnee) disabled this feature and everyone thought I was crazy when I told them this use to stop on the back tower.
You're not the only one who tells/told people about it. SFGAm used to be my home park And when I was out there in July I was telling people that it used to have the holding break and it's still there but it's not on. When I pointed it out and that it's still there people were surprised to learn about it
How are engineers briefed on how the whole system of a ride works? Is there a manual / series of blueprints that give an in depth view into the systems and mechanisms themselves, or is it a case of going on some type of course with the manufacturers? Really curious as you seem to have almost a designing level knowledge for the components of the rides you work on
@@Balootoyoutoo manuals only cover what’s needed to maintain the equipment. Advanced breakdowns allow people to find out what something was built the way it was. Most of my knowledge comes from many long breakdowns with theory’s from manufactures what’s wrong mixed with what was done for repair. A lot of my knowledge is reverse engineering.
I wonder if/how much of a beyond-vertical spike would contribute to stress reduction on the trains. I'm sure that would introduce other structural concerns, but imagine hitting a stall like that partially upside-down! 😂 (ow my shoulders)
2 sad things about Possessed. First is they stopped using the hold brake years ago which is a shame because it was really cool. Second problem is half the time it doesn’t launch correctly on the first forward launch and barely goes half way up. You can tell in the first seconds what’s going to happen. After that it functions ok the rest of the ride but you don’t fully recover that lost speed or height. One of the ride ops once told me they have to hold a button at just the right time now for it to launch forward correctly otherwise it stall launches.
Jee-auga is how its pronounced. That was my favorite place as a kid. There are some interesting history videos on it on youtube. Never knew they had an impulse though. I lost interest when it became 6 flags.
Despite the lack of holding brakes, It had more structural issues during its life due to the height of the spikes and the winds from the lake. It took a lot of work to keep that ride from tearing apart
My home park is Valleyfair, and I appreciate that the park and maintenance crew have kept the holding brake on their Impulse operating. Ridden it dozens of times, and the holding brake is always working. I love how high up it kicks in if you’re in the very back row and hearing the screams from people that didn’t know it was coming!
@@henriktiger9073 awesome
Same here... Just rode it at Valley Fair couple weeks ago. The brake hold was everything we were talking about... The best part.
@@michaelfoley3075 that’s great. They live on borrowed time. Soak it up.
Man it’s literally the last one left. My home park has an impulse with holding break and it’s been turned off/broken since its 2nd year of operation. I mean logistically it’s 1 element of the ride and to shut the whole ride down just cuz it doesn’t work. I can see how they justify that. It’s like a splashdown effect not spraying up water but still working and they shut down the whole ride to fix the splash. Idk I want nothing more for six flags to get that holding break working again but they never will. Improper maintenance. Like valley fair works on it regularly so it’s not much as a major under taking more like normal maintenance
We flew from Orlando to Shakopee earlier this summer just to experience the holding brake lol. We figured the days are numbered.
IMO the discovery kingdom version is the best one. It's really awesome to go through the barrel roll especially in the 4th or 5th seat where the first and third run they pause upside down when the train reverses direction.
@@damegataco that’s a fun one.
gee-AWE-guh! Should have asked an Ohioian. Love your insights.
My childhood was spent at Geauga Lake and Seaworld. Miss Geauga so much.
@@turtlehopper81I work 5 minutes from there and refuse to drive down rt43 because of what has become of the area 😔
@@turtlehopper81 RIP Geauga Lake
Beat me to it.
Thank you for providing the correct pronunciation. I had to pause the video right after the first mispronunciation to make sure someone got it right! Now, back to the video😊
The day I went to Valley Fair theirs was down, now I understand why! They must be doing constant maintenance to stay on top of the stress keeping that holding brake causes. Good for them!
@@KatieKiwi1144 those parks just built in the cost. SF wanted to save train replacement.
Very grateful for finding this channel. I'm not sure how old this channel is, but I believe that you've just created a whole new genre of coaster content.
@@slimydog8946 it’s not about age it’s about reach.
As someone who went to GEAUGA ( G-ahh-gaa ) weekly for years and years.
I cringed when you said it lol.
My first coaster ever was the double loop at this park. An arrow double vertical Loop.
Fun fact : It was the largest amusement park in the country when it was Six Flags world of Adventure.
@@gyme6077 interesting
I was fortunate enough to ride one while the holding brake was still a thing. I was a young little coaster enthusiast back then and it was one of my favorite moments for a long time. Got a last ride on Wicked Twister in 2018. Great ride. RIP
What a great video that was so informative. Thank you so much for telling the mechanics/engineer POV of this ride.
Thats for explaining the rake. Volcano at KD had the same launch system and i wondered what thar part was for
Yes, I LOVE the holding brake! I've only ever experienced it on Valleyfair's Impulse coaster, which has consistently worked every time I visit. Nice to learn so much about how the "train-park" system works. I didn't realize they were LIMs; I thought they were friction-brakes, for some reason haha
Great video! Love learning how those niche elements on rides work. Intamin definitely made some odd choices in the early 2000s.
@@Beexorl odd but fun. It what you have to do to continue to be groundbreaking
I miss the holding brake on Vertical Velocity at Six Flags Great America
I miss it too!!
I remember talking to a CP welder, and he told us that nearly every night they were at Wicked Twister fixing cracks. Over the summer, we stayed at Breakers, and seen them out welding on Magnum (totally unrelated, it was just pretty cool) and took a walk down the beach to see what they were doing.
I remember visiting in 2002 and seeing exactly what you described. It ended up being down for a portion of our visit while they added a couple extra small supports as an extension to keep the upper part of the spike from shaking so much. I think you can tell if you look at the media day pictures versus pictures in recent years at the top of the main support frame.
Man, I so miss Wicked Twister, shame that they didn't relocate it. My favorite seat of that ride was the second last row right hand side, when it launches completely up the back tower, the car in front of you moves out of the way and you're staring straight at the ground and you also get a bit of airtime too.
@@markvolpe2305yesss, I always went for that or the very last row! Always avoided the middle since it never got a good view, or up a spike all the way! Just visited its headstone this weekend 🥲
@@markvolpe2305 Yes that rear seat {& seat3 (frt/rt car2) & front S1 are the best seats on these rides! I've always said that the VIEW up/down the tower from that position is like 30% of the total ride experience!! ttd2ron4695
The random comment of “Wow thats some high quality H2O” has me laughing hysterically and I have no idea why 😂😂😂
@@stolenarmy_ that’s from Adam Sandler movie the water boy.
Are there any known instances of the train hitting the shocks on these? Always wondered about that.
When you were talking about the track moving while the train is parked in the station. I won't be surprised if Wicked Twister did that, just because how much the back tower shook.
I think that Dorney ought to bring it back when they do the proposed re-paint/theming of the ride to fit the name sake. Instead of it firing every ride cycle though, program it to fire every 3-5 cycles randomly (like it's possessed).
That would be so sick
Gee aw guh - Geauga Lake. Superman Ultimate Escape / Steel Venom. And it was epic . Best seat was the very last seat on the train so when you held at the top you got the best view and best drop.
It's "G" aga lake...
Like Geeeee whiz....lol
We forgive you, you are too cool to be mad at....lol
Thanks for covering this....I was always curious about these coasters...I know they used a TON of power to launch those trains...
So they are using magnetic brake to use as a holding brake...
I thought they used a friction brake...cause what I have seen makes it look like it...buy the way the jolt of the riders...but it's just an observation but it's nice to know the way it really works...
I absolutely LOVE the holding brake, the first swing coaster I rode was Steel Venom at GL and the feeling was absolutely amazing. Ive also ridden Steel Venom at Valleyfair and I Loved it just as much, the straight spike with the hold is so much better than the twisted rear spike. Its incredible to know its only 1/4 to 1/2 second, it certainly feels like longer!
"...and then" I enjoyed the video 🤣🤣💯💯
As another posted, I worked at Steel Venom at Valleyfair and got to know the ride very well along with the maintenance team. (If you need some pictures of anything in the electrical room, I got a few around for you that were taken with park permission.) They have done a great job keeping it running well, even after a full control systems replacement, along with a lightning strike that took out the park break for about two weeks in 2018.
Can you confirm if it was modified around covid? It was not operating for a season or two and then suddenly in 2021 it started working reliably and has been ever since.
@@JMANWiSS if I remember right it was around 2019, and didn’t have any season long downtime at all. I saw it operating every visit.
Generally it’s been a reliable ride for Valleyfair. They take good care of it. Only ever had operational downtime with it really. (Due to guests doing something stupid, or illness) Only rarely had mechanical but when it did occur it was lengthy due to needing parts from Intamin.
@@AlanJohnsrud Last fall out seemed to go down every 2-3 cycles for some reason and then they'd have to empty the train and run a test cycle. Not sure if that was due to blowing leaves in the laser eye or just operator issue. They'd then switch ops and they'd be able to send it first try
@@JMANWiSS likely light curtain issues, happened a lot In July with butterflies in the area. Anything bigger than 3 light beams would cause a quick stop condition that needed to be reset. However you didn't need to cycle empty for that. They likely did that to use the trains wind to blow things out of the way. Which kinda works but doesn't solve the issue. So that would definitely be an operational issue and not anything to do with mechanical issues.
I'm from Ohio, and used to go to Geauga Lake, I cringed lol. I used to love that ride as a kid, went to Dorney a few years ago and got to re-ride it, was cool and also weird.
It's worth noting that all the impulse coasters were totally under supported when they were originally built. Look at pictures of them during their opening year, the spikes had no vertical supports. Additional supports were added on to all the twist and spike impulses at the same time (except the one at discovery kingdom, which is probably why it moves more than the others). Steel Venom operated for the least amount of time before receiving the additional support, and opened with the revised trains like Wicked Twister. Operating the holding brake for years without the additional support probably put tons of strain on all the other impulses.
What does IDS stand for? Im curious to learn more about the drive manufacturer
Integral Drive Systems AG which is now INDRIVETEC
@@lexanon5315 Say; do you happen to know if there's any footage or audio of any Intamin coasters running the LIM self-test sequence?
That was a fascinating insight. Super well made content Loved it
You’ve missed one impulse that didn’t mentioned! Screaming Condor at LeoFoo Village in my country ~
But based on my research, seems that our impulse didn’t install that holding brake from the very beginning 🤔
And somehow other foreign coaster enthusiasts said that our impulse coaster operates a little bit slower than others…
Maybe due to power constraints or park regulations or so 🤔
There was also Linear Gale at Tokyo Dome city which I believe was the original inverted impulse. I don’t think it had a holding break, and no twist in the front, all the track was straight.
Curious could an LSM system do the same thing?
They do have legendary twin dragon in China! It’s a modern Intamin Impulse which is propelled by INDRIVETEC LSM stators
Dorney's has not been turned on in years, for pretty much all the reasons here I would think. This did remind me of something interesting though: one behavior it would do, particularly when it was hot out I think, would be after swing 6 it would brake normally, jog back to the station, but then send the train about 5-6 cars out of the back of the station before attempting to park again. Didn't always do it, but I now have to wonder if that was net weirdness, or maybe some sort off cool-down program. I was a ride op on Stinger, that thing was pretty complicated and finnickey as well.
I got to experience this the year it opened up at Six Flags, Ohio. it was fascinating. I’m so interested in hearing about this.
I have never been to Cedar Point. What kind of impulse coaster did they have in the park? Did they have the stop function? I always wondered why they removed it. The coaster seemed to be loved.
Wicked Twister was a newer model with the twists on both sides
it was removed a few years ago for a restaurant and a few other rides (wild mouse), I've heard that the parts went to Dorney to maintain Possessed (previously Steel Venom at geauga lake)
I remember riding superman ride of steel at Geauga Lake which is now possessed at dorney. The holding brake was the best part and made the screeching noise.Towards the end of the park I rode that ride fir almost an hour straight,only getting up to switch seats...
@@garywillis7253 nice!
Okay Ryan.....Flash at SFDK in Vallejo has the train removed AGAIN after going through a quite extensive refurbishment..... Any insight on wtf is going on with it?
@@IAmAnonymyz rehab or repair? I only ask because once you put a train on… the clock starts ticking. So if I start a train in September, take it off for a lengthy repair, then put it back on in July, the train can only run until September. When I visited in May, it was off for repair. Train was still at the ride.
@@ryantheridemechanic as of tonight it's been completely removed from the tracks. I couldn't get pics as I saw it from Jokers lift hil. I do recall it being SBNO for quite a few years up until Scream Break in 2022 when it FINALLY started running again. Not sure EXACTLY what's going on but it seems too soon for another track-off inspection. I know you have experience with V2 or a similar impulse coaster so figured I'd ask if you had any idea what could be happening
@@ryantheridemechanic unsure if the initial lengthy SBNO was a rehab or refurbishment. The mechanics were present when it first started running again during 2022 Scream Break so I asked them about it as they were monitoring the runs and operations and it sounded like refurbishment as the ride quality was near what it was in 2001 when it still has the dual spikes and holding brake... Now if they could retrofit Kong with Vekomas newest restraints and trains to get rid of that God-Awful ride quality.... Damn thing feels like it could pass for an Inverted Arrow 🤣🤣🤣
On Mr Freeze the vertical motors actually push the train up and then back down. It will valley without that extra downward thrust. A very weird feeling to be accelerated down that tower. The Gs at the bottom pullout are very intense.
So essentially the ride structure is ringing like a bell or probably more accurately oscillating like a tuning fork. I always wondered if they used a capacitor bank of some sort to drive the motors or possibly recoup some of the energy
When Geaugua Lake in Ohio was Six Flags, they had built many new coasters, one being an Intamin impulse with a holding brake. I loved it. Best part about it was it holding you for a brief second.
Once Geaugua Lake closed, that ride went to Dorney Park and became possessed. Well the holding brake no longer works and it cost to much to fix it so they just don’t bother with it.
Typical for Intamin to make something that cost a lot to fix if it broke.
it was working at Dorney Park until I believe 2014-2015, the LIM's are still present on the back tower, but they just don't use them, I wish they would modify it or make it more reliable and re enable it.
I talked with the Mechanics at Six Flags Discovery Kingdom and they said the holding brakes supposidely showed signs of internal cracking so they were left deactivated. It sucks because that was the best part of the ride until they got busted by Vallejo for violating the city height limit by "fudging numbers" and had to do that stupid "45° inline twist. I was lucky enough to experience it when it was still V2 and had the holding brake active.
I've also noticed that "parked movement".
Discovery Kingdom has the 45° inline twist so id bet the movement has something to do with the 30ft reduction of the rear spike and the stretched out inline twist.
Got to ride possessed with its holding brake back in 2015 and was easily one of the best coasters I’ve ridden at the time. It’s a shame they don’t ever use it anymore, but I have a feeling Dorney might give it a chance to upgrade.
Great America’s has been off for a long time
at least 10 years
I loved riding Possessed this summer on my trip to Dorney Park. I was still lamenting the fact that TT2 was going to probably down all summer so I had to turn to lim coasters to get a little of that magnetic adrenaline rush. I doubt the tower brakes were used as dont remember the sudden drop onto my harness. That would have made it even more fun. The part I remember the most was the very hard and sudden abrupt stop before the train slowly backs up to home. Oh, and the lim scream can't forget that some lady asked me "are people screaming?" I told her no I'm pretty sure thats the ride (drive), Haha! Go to Dorney and ride Possessed and its new friend Iron Menace.
It's not used at Dorney anymore. They used to use the brake when they first got possessed but the last few years it's been off.
@DefOfDopeProductions Cool, I was pretty sure I hadn't missed something like that, thanks.
9:55 steel venom does not do this. none of the brakes go down until swing 6. Also when the holding brake engages it does not slip, it actually moves the train upward very slightly.
He worked at Discovery Kingdom which has the modified impulse/shortened rear spike. Likely different ride cycle due to modification.
I loved Richard Lewis, such an incredible man
That's interesting about the Discovery Kingdom one and the height restrictions. Safe to say they won't be getting a Giga coaster ever.
The one at Six flags Ohio formally Geauga Lake was an awesome ride. Too bad they closed the park. Makes sense cedar point is only 2 hours away.
An erroneous alarm! Lol Sounds like they tried disabling it on the Controls PLC without checking for interlocks with the other system. I’ve learned a lot on the job while trying to just disable a function that was never intended to be turned off with just a push of a button on the HMI.
The trains on the one at discovery kingdom are off the track and taken apart righr now. I wonder if they will just shut that ride.
Certainly hope not. I can’t see what else they could get at that park within the height limitations that would be as cool. Please come back V2! And while you’re at it, maybe something beyond 1 train ops for every ride. :( such a beautiful spot and great rides when everything’s running.
For LIMs on the rear tower brake, there has to be slippage. An LIM cannot hold at a full stop. Worse, at near stop, the LIM will use maximum current to try and hold the train vertical. There are only two ways to get a full stall under load, and that would be to use a LSM or put a set of friction brakes. An eddy current brake set would, like an LIM, require slippage to create resistance to motion.
Allentown like the Billy Joel Song, or if you want to be really technical the park is in South Whitehall township. I worked there for 3 years before Cedar Fair bought them and two years after. I was a ride operator for Hercules and the log flume as well as several other smaller rides. I once was paid for an hour to ride Hercules non-stop while they filmed an ad.
Geauga "Jee-ahh-ga" lake. 🙂 That park is a tragic loss within itself. Pretty much along the same with Astroland and Opryland.. I wish i could have visited those parks back in their heyday.
Once six flags overbuilt Geauga Lake it was over with. The infrastructure both inside and outside of the park were for a little regional park, not the largest amusement park in the world.
Is there any pictures of what SFDK’s looked like before they modified it for height reasons?
@@JungleJetAviation06 I’m sure they are out there somewhere but I haven’t come across any. Did you check RCDB
@@ryantheridemechanic Just did and I found some lol. The paint scheme was yellow and blue…I see how they unraveled it to make it flat. Dang what a nightmare that must have been lol. It was definitely early on when they modified it cause pics from 2002 so about a year later show the front spike as flat.
@@JungleJetAviation06 one season. I remember I had a friend that visited the park that year and said the front tower moved sooo much.
@@ryantheridemechanic When it was at its original height?
@@JungleJetAviation06 yea with the original spiral vertically.
Thank you for this, I was always curious about this feature. My home park ( Six Flags Great America in Gurnee) disabled this feature and everyone thought I was crazy when I told them this use to stop on the back tower.
@@AirmanBrown not crazy at all! If was an awesome feature when working.
You're not the only one who tells/told people about it. SFGAm used to be my home park And when I was out there in July I was telling people that it used to have the holding break and it's still there but it's not on. When I pointed it out and that it's still there people were surprised to learn about it
Still sad Valleyfair wasn't running theirs on the one day I drove 20 hours to ride it. Renegade and Excalibur were pretty cool, though.
Forgot about the one in Tokyo at Tokyo Dome City Linear Gale
@@willdoty7395 I left out ones without holding brakes like that one and twisted U
How are engineers briefed on how the whole system of a ride works? Is there a manual / series of blueprints that give an in depth view into the systems and mechanisms themselves, or is it a case of going on some type of course with the manufacturers? Really curious as you seem to have almost a designing level knowledge for the components of the rides you work on
@@Balootoyoutoo manuals only cover what’s needed to maintain the equipment. Advanced breakdowns allow people to find out what something was built the way it was. Most of my knowledge comes from many long breakdowns with theory’s from manufactures what’s wrong mixed with what was done for repair. A lot of my knowledge is reverse engineering.
@@ryantheridemechanic that’s really interesting, thank you for that! Love the videos too, great to listen to while working
@@Balootoyoutoo thanks!
I wonder if/how much of a beyond-vertical spike would contribute to stress reduction on the trains. I'm sure that would introduce other structural concerns, but imagine hitting a stall like that partially upside-down! 😂 (ow my shoulders)
@@TimmahRap that would be rough on the body for sure.
Definitely 'High quality H20" waterboy
Geauga= G auga. So you had the end right, but just a regular "g" to start. Also, ride opened as Superman
@@Spike-sk7ql thanks
2 sad things about Possessed. First is they stopped using the hold brake years ago which is a shame because it was really cool. Second problem is half the time it doesn’t launch correctly on the first forward launch and barely goes half way up. You can tell in the first seconds what’s going to happen. After that it functions ok the rest of the ride but you don’t fully recover that lost speed or height. One of the ride ops once told me they have to hold a button at just the right time now for it to launch forward correctly otherwise it stall launches.
@@prouddadgreg7296 interesting. Honestly sounds like an IEA NET problem.
@@ryantheridemechanic i’ll ask again next time im there and let you know. Your channel is awesome and I really appreciate that you reply to comments!
@@prouddadgreg7296 thanks!
Jee-auga is how its pronounced. That was my favorite place as a kid. There are some interesting history videos on it on youtube. Never knew they had an impulse though. I lost interest when it became 6 flags.
I thought the drive was made by Intrasys or was it IDS?
@@lexanon5315 I’m pretty sure all were IDS but they use intrasys parts.
I REALLY miss Wicked Twister. I hate that it's gone. I really thought it would outlive the others because it didn't have the holding brake
Despite the lack of holding brakes, It had more structural issues during its life due to the height of the spikes and the winds from the lake. It took a lot of work to keep that ride from tearing apart
That alaskan medicine man wata😂
topic idea: Why has no park got an axis coaster? prototype? maintenance? capacity? steel curtain?
Ha ha steel curtain.
I was looking but didn't see any videos on RMC stuff. Maybe i'm blind!
have you heard of a game called planet coaster?
9:10 - I assume you’d lower the power slightly for an empty train, given that you have less mass to accelerate.
Who knew a dynamic structure would move a little bit
Gee-aww-guh
I didn't think the one at Dorney park does that?
Dorney has it but hasn’t used it in years
Wear and tear, different speeds and weights of trains, early 2000s LIM tech…
34:55 😂 what the hell film is that!?!!
Gee-ahh-go 😂 no harm, no foul.
It's not "go" at the end. It's "ga" or "guh" depending on how you would say "ga". Basically he only messed up the first syllable.
Gee-au-ga
Gee- U-guh or Jee-Aug-uh
Ryan,
It is Allen... town... Not alton- town, just like the billy joel song
Try pronounce it this way…. “G- auga “ lake
It also looks like Volcano the blast Coaster… RIP 😢… anyways..
And then?! 😂
You can count on me watching. My wife say you are my man crush.
the ride if you were on the back cars would be pretty boring as the back cars don't twist as much as the front cars
Geauga Lake. pronounce it like Jee-aug-uh
I think that guy Eddy worked at Geauga Lake. lol
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@@djhagrid congrats!
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