Garmin Force Review
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- Опубліковано 27 лис 2019
- Garmin Force Review. Will I change from the ultrex to the force? Check out this review. Up close with a conclusion. Ultrex versus the Garmin force
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There is an adjustment on the foot pedal . Really this is when the instruction manual comes into play.. The Anchor button is leaps and bounds over the Spot lock of MinKota. The remote also has the ability to use hand signal control which is another plus .
I'm about to buy a new trolling motor as I currently have a Fortrex but want spot lock. The Ultrex dominates the Mississippi river bass boats around here and is a proven motor. However, the Garmin is wireless and out pulls both the Ghost and Ultrex and last longer too. I'm not bashing either brand, but it's 2020 and I'm in tech for a living. I shouldn't have to buy $350 to hook up my $3200 fish finder \ GPS to my $3000 trolling motor. Minnkota sat on the market too long and now wifi, power and brushless have surpassed them. You know the Ultrex will go both wireless and brushless next to keep up, not to mention finally integrating a real \ fast touch screen on their sonar units. Way to go Garmin, pushing us forward!
You should buy the Garmin Force trolling motor if you can hire someone to manage the foot pedal on a consistent basis. Another thing, the spot lock is so inaccurate, you have to be ok with fishing in a different zip code once you engage it. Other than that it’s great.
One of your best videos. Thank you. Keep up the the good work. Need to do a live scope video just like this one.
Harold Hatcher thanks
Trying to be respectful here, but like mentioned earlier in comments. Check the users manual before doing a hatchet job on a review.
You were giving praises in other areas and that’s great. If I would have watched your review before buying my Force I would have possibly missed out.
I just gave my opinion which still stands. Foot pedal is weak point. Cheap plastic feel, motor can't make micro moves like other top of the line motors, and pedal is spongy and not reactive and precise.
I would think you would know if there is a adjustment on the foot pedal before you review the product.
The pedal is totally adjustable. If that is your biggest hang up you should read the manual and try again.
Tim Huser the pedal is a cheap construction and several have said there is lag. Ultrex still wins.
Tim: Couldn't agree more. Switched from Ultrex to a Force, actually use it on my boat and not just a single one-off trip for a UA-cam Review. There is Z.E.R.O. lag and when tightened down, it works just like any other foot pedal. I get the need to push on something, but perhaps this TM wasn't fully updated or something, because the lag thing is flat out wrong.
He’s not talking about making the pedal harder or softer to push , he’s talking lag head not moving with the pedal
Wow - the foot pedal adjust is right where you were looking. Garmin has already raised the bar on this - you forgot to mention bushless motor. All trolling motors will have to match that key feature.
Ken Kurz I agree that people will have to match the brushless feature. But I can’t get past the cheap construction of pedal. Maybe the next model.
@@3poundCrappiefishing Thanks for your videos. Good to know that you found the tension-adjustment set screw, but still felt the wireless foot pedal missed the mark. Honest, informed reviews are the best! I agree that Garmin is determined to be a significant player, and will evolve/improve this product. That's just their core DNA...
@@3poundCrappiefishing That's the one consistent complaint on this motor, that I'm 100% convinced of. Seems like a lot of the other complaints are "one-off's" that no one else has mentioned. But, the "toy-ish" feel, and make of that pedal has been mentioned 3-4x's now. At $3600 NOTHING should feel cheap. Shame on Garmin for cutting corners to that degree.
This video is exactly why I watch ALL your videos. You're up front and honest about the equipment you use. The Good, the Bad and the Ugly. Keep doing what you're doing because the information helps. You're the reason I own a livescope. :)
Garmin everything for me outfitting my new boat.
Thats crazy. Ive used the ultrex and just switched to the force, yet i thought the ultrex had more lag than the force does.
Yup...these reviews are all over the place. It's almost like you just need to take advantage of sales, and buy what you can afford, and hope it doesn't flat out break on you. Trying to research the reviews are lost causes, because they're insanely inconsistent.
Good decision. I’d wait it out to see if they improve upon it and change some of the negatives.
You didn’t even give the unit a chance ? The foot control is adjustable, via the Allen key on the side and power control knob / wheel
On the side ..
I've been thinking about getting the Garmin Force and have watched literally every review video available so far and you're the only one who mentioned the foot pedal. Everyone else said it was just as responsive and that the head speed is actually faster than the Ultrex.
Dennis Griffin I think the head speed is as fast as ultrex. Is it faster I don’t think so. Without a doubt there’s a lag between the pedal and the movement of the head. Are the people that you’re watching moving from an ultrex? If they are not I would question their ability to compare the two. I do however always recommend checking it out for yourself. Test drive an ultrex. Then test drive a force.
@@3poundCrappiefishing I've used my friends Ultrex, never a Garmin yet. So I have no first hand knowledge between the two and probably not enough time using the MK to know what I'd like/don't like between the two. Do you think hard wiring the Garmin foot pedal would make a difference in lag vs AA batteries?
There is an adjustment screw for the Garmin foot pedal to dial in the responsiveness
Just a bad review there is a adjustment screw to fix the lag the garmin force is very quiet compared to the ultrex and used half the battery with more power has the ability to switch between 24 or 36 volts not even a comparison here t on li thing close to this is the Lowrance ghost that’s it
can the head go lower like sit flush with the bow. I cannot cast with the head sticking a foot up
My $0.02...I own a 2019 megadi ultrex. The pedal failed at 3 months old. When your ultrex pedal fails the trolling motor as a whole will not work. I had to remove it and take it to my local dealer for warranty repair. The dealer had 3 other ultrex's in there for the same exact issue. He said the pedals on the ultrex have always been a problem.
Unit back on and everything has been okay since, but I do not like the cable for the lift. Companies make aftermarket cables because the minn kotas lift cables don't seem to last and I'm waiting on mine too take a poop(I have a spare ready to go).
I went with the ultrex because I have live-scope so the deployment is great for that system. I thought I could live with the attached pedal but it's really find it in the way because 90% of the time I use the remote.
I really don't like the cabling situation coming out of the head around the base either. If you are not careful in how you route things you could easily severe wiring in the scissor frame.
Now, I got to see the Garmin just tonight for the first time at Cabela's. 10 feet away was the ultrex on display. I really didn't see a difference in base size but maybe I over looked it, because to me going to ultrex from a terrova was a mind blowing size difference. I played with the pedal and to me it has a similar light weight feel my terrova had (come to think of it my terrova pedal failed to:(. Sometimes we relate something that's light as being cheap but that's not always the case.
I'm still on the fence but I'm leaning toward the Garmin.
Nice video, thank you!
Love the comment. I guess I will start off by saying that I have not had a problem with my Ultrex pedal. Therefore we probably are coming from a different frame of mind. I do agree that there are some sharp points on the old tracks that could sever wires that worry me. I think if you look back at the size of the two you will see a significant difference between them. But that of course was not a determining factor for me in my review. Yes the foot pedals light and no that does not mean it’s cheap quality. I do however feel like the construct is cheap and seems that way when I felt,touched and caressed it. 🤔. Perhaps I will end up going with the force at some point. But I’m hoping for a better pedal in generation two. Again loved the comment. 👍
I've had nothing but sorrow caused by Minn Kota Rip Off models (yes multiple). I'll never buy anything else from that company based on the troubles I've already endured.
my power steering in my ultrex went dead 91 days in. Complete pain in the ass!
@@allenbmooresharinginformation same here Allen! Had less than 10 hours on a brand new Terrova and a brand new Ulterra when the unreliability kicked in. I’ll never go with Minn Kota again!
How is the responsiveness of the remote? Same discernable lag? Granted totally different than using a pedal, but if you only could use the remote, would you be happy with it?
remote seemed ok.......
The foot pedal is adjustable. Really, how much reading do you do. None
Can’t you plug in the foot pedal with an actual connector? Would that have helped?
Hey Matt. How about the integration with Garmin units was his setup for that? If so how was that feature? Or auto pilot, following a trail, etc?
Bud Chrisco following a trail is good. But cannot do follow a contour.
Thanks Matt. Was considering one myself after I get the live scope. Great vids!!!
3 Pound Crappie Fishing it can follow a contour controlled wirelessly from 8600 or echomap plus/ultra chartplotter
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Thanks for another great review video , my motor is on a 7-week back order, but sounds like I made the right choice.
Good review
Great honest review, will be buying a spot lock trolling motor soon and this may have changed my mind, not every thing new is better.
This was 3yrs ago... For the guys that are getting their first high-end TM, you won't miss what you never had. My concern would be, is it easy to use, accurate, responsive, and durable. I would DEFINITELY notice a major latency. A fraction of a second is typical...but, if it there's more than a half-second latency for the pedal response, then that's a major issue. As of this comment, I could save $2K if I went with a Force, due to the Echomap sale at Bass Pro. But, it's moot if Force hasn't fixed this. Apparently, Garmin has fixed several issues with this TM, most of which were software related. I just can't find a recent review that shows that. Between the Sonar and the TM, this is a $5K-7K investment. I want the best I can get for that kind of money. Btw...are you still using your Ultrex today? Power Pole has a very expensive model out, as well.
Yes I still use a ultrex
@@3poundCrappiefishing ...that speaks for itself. Thank you for the reply.
I would have to screw the pedal to the boat. On Lake St. Clair I would have to stow the peddle so it will not bounce off the boat.
Was looking to up grade from my Minn Kota All Terrain.. any advice ...???
Robert barnes the force is a food choice. But so is the ultrex
Who makes Ultrex?? Never seen one before ...
Robert barnes - Minn Kota.
For me, the decision boils down to this ... I run Humminbird electronics. I fish multi-species so I want iPilot link to pair w/ my birds *and* I want a mechanical pedal. Garmin does not have a follow contour-type functionality. And the Garmin is more expensive for what I want (80lb 60", US2, iLink is about $2800 vs. garmin 57" at 3200).
QUESTION - can the Garmin retrace a saved route like a regular iPilot can? Additionally, do they have the cruise-control type feature that tells the motor "go .7 mph and maintain that speed regardless of current , waves, and wind"? I see a lot of videos on aesthetics and raw performance, but not so much on features beyond spot-lock.
Cerus98 thank you ,,
what lenth shaft you using on your ayour baot?
If you just hate lowrance or only want garmin graphs, I understand. If not, just get a ghost. Best #$&@ing trolling motor I’ve ever used. I think Ghost is closest to look, feel, and function of standard trolling motor but with all the latest technology. I don’t even dislike the other motors, but I see vids of people pointing out their problems with them...
Not understanding the "It's big" comments. What part is big? Head? Mount?
The mount.....actually the WHOLE THING
The pedal has a tension screw look closer
What screen size is your livescope unit?
RWP2 10
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Great review...I'm looking to upgrade to spot lock feature. All set for Ultrex until I called my shop today and he told me he's seeing a lot in the repair shop. Told me to go with MG Xi5. Most reviews on Xi5 are terrible so I called another local boat shop and he says Ultrex. I do run Garmin electronics but not willing to spend xtra grand on something truly untested. Any opinion between Ultrex and Xi5 would be appreciated.
Ultrex is fastest most reactive TM on market
Has anyone replaced the transducer in the Garmin Force yet? Mine broke the first time fishing and Garmin says it’s not covered under warranty. I can’t believe how easily the transducer breaks. I need instructions on the install, can anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks
Brand new Force owner. Used for first time this past weekend. Questions if you dont mine me asking:
If I get hung up shallow, get in lay downs, and so on. How can I lift the trolling motor AND still use it to get away, get off things?
If I unlock and start lifting it wants to store to the side and will not operate. How do I turn this off or bypass? Software updated to 3.0 now
Keep the ultrex and you can pay for that 2nd livescope
When you lift the motor out of the water and it goes to auto store rotation looks like it's gonna crush your livescope ducer
Hobie: The TM isn't adjusted properly in this video - so yes in this case. Its literally a click of a button on set-up to have it store the proper way for where you have your LiveScope or other transducer cords.
Do the foot pedal need to be calibrated?
Mark Massey no
@@3poundCrappiefishing 👍
Mark Massey - Usually not but they can be tuned if need be. At least the Minn Kotas can.
@@Cerus98 good deal thanks!
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If you weren't a foot pedal lover would you prefer the Force? Care nothing for that foot pedal.
Not sure.
The anchor feature is garbage. Always needs re calibrating!
Which one is garbage...The Garmin or Minn Kota?
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Thats awesome.
The only tuber to not prefer the force hmmmm
Wow that’s a blank statement. And very untrue. I don’t hear anybody bragging about the force. Just my opinion. Unfortunately your statement is completely false. Have you watched all the UA-camrs? Good luck
@@3poundCrappiefishing from what I’ve watched so far . Trying to ensure I want this motor before purchasing I appreciate your view of it . My fishing buddy has the ultrex. I have the minnkota but I have all garmin electronics
He’s not wrong. I have watched every video I could find on the new trolling motors. Yours is the only one I have saw that didn’t prefer the Force when put against the Ultrex. I say that because I am trying everything I can to talk myself out of having to get a Force vs a cheaper price Ultrex. The only other positive I see for the Ultrex is that self deploy feature because I think It would make launching by myself easier but the downside is...its slow at doing it so if I want to move fast I won’t be able to.
@@tnbackroads Trust me, DO NOT get any MK self deployed trolling motor! You will regret it and so will your wallet!
To be an "upgrade" a new product has to be better than the old alternative. I think most fishermen, myself included get caught up in the "new is better" mentality when actually it's not always the case. This is a good example of tried and true being better. My Ulterra is great and I wouldn't dream of changing. Granted the Ulterra and Ultrex are the top of the line MK trolling motors.
I haven't seen the Force in person but one thing that I see that I would not like is the rod that sticks off the left side of the mounting bracket. I'd wind up with jigs and/or fishing line wrapped around that rod often.
You wouldn't want quieter and more efficient?
It's loud under the water... comparitivley speaking...