Both COULD make the HOF, but it requires that both (1) remain healthy, (2)play full seasons( Judge at least 140 games, DeGrom 28-30 starts) for five seasons, (3)maintain their current level of play. Alll three must happen, or no HOF One other way DeGrom can go: if he is converted to a closer, a la Dennis Eckersley and John Smoltz, and accumulates a good number of saves to go along with his prowess as a starter
Degrom already has a career 43.8 war. The average HOF starting pitcher war is 73.0 which is boasted by old timers such as walter johnson and cy young. Assuming Degrom can atleast get to 60 career war which would be just over 3 war for the 5 years on his contract. I think that is very much achievable and he'll likely surpass that assuming he can stay relatively healthy.
@Javier Corral sale has been much more injury probe but had 7 straight top 6 cy young finishes from 2012-2018. His career 45.5 war is slightly higher than degrom. If sale can come back and have a few more healthy productive years it’s still possible he could make the hall of fame. Although I have more faith in degrom especially considering he has 2 cy youngs.
The baseball writers who vote are morons who vote based on personality instead of credentials so who the hell knows by that standard I guess Judge gets in. Judge is my favorite player but I hope he gets in based on his qualifications and not because he was a good guy to the baseball writers.
@@oofth”steroid free” while I appreciate judges record, you have to be extremely naive to think these athletes aren’t still on some sort of enhancements
I think Judge will get in the HOF as long as he plays out his contract. idk about deGrom, elite af no doubt but is he even going to reach 2,000 innings pitched?
It's probably more likely DeGrom wins 1 more cy young than Judge wins 2 mvps. It seems unlikely that counting stats will be there friends given they both got to the majors relatively late. Hope they both can do enough to get into Cooperstown one day though.
If judge averages 3 war a season over this contract he would end up with 64 WAR and if he averages 35 homers which I think is possible we would have over 500 career homers. Combine that with his record breaking season I think he gets in. Also Judge should already have 2 MVP awards. deGrom is a yes for me, this is realistically his last big contract he’s 34 with a 5 year deal. He’s only at 44 career WAR. If he averages 4 WAR each year of his contract he’ll be at 64 as well. Which I think gets him in.
Judge only has 5 complete career seasons. usually you need 17+ to make it in, and Judge is already in his 30’s, with the expectation that injuries prevent him from making it to 40 in the big leagues, or at least with average or above numbers
@@baileysmith4744 if he gets 13-15 years I can see him easily getting in, especially if he keeps this up for another 5-7 years. Obviously not 62 a year but I could see him averaging 35 over the next 5-7 years
@Paolo De Pillo . He has 2 seasons with 35+ homers and he is already 30. If it only took 13-15 years of 35+ homers to get in, a lot more players would be in. Judge will struggle to play past 40, and given how his career is going, he wont get in because his milestones wont be good enough, his total service time will be too low, and his rate stats arent going to get looked at much because that doesnt represent longevity which the HOF cares about
@@baileysmith4744 if he gets over 500 homers I think he would get it, he’s arguably the face of baseball right now. Just look at his treatment last year, the media loves him. They’ll definitely vote him in if he gets over 500 homers and wins a chip. One more mvp wouldn’t hurt either
@Paolo De Pillo . I doubt he hits 500 homer. He is at 220 right now, so even if he hits 30 every year he wont touch 500 until he turns 39, and i just dont see him hitting that many on average with his injury history, and just how difficult it is to hit that well at that age. I can see him maybe getting 400 if he can stay in the league until 40, but not 500
i will say a good example for deGrom is J.R Richards as he was a very impressive pitcher for the Astros in the late 70's up to 1980 and had things been a bit different his number would probably be retired and he would be in the hall but that didnt happen. Unfortunately for Richards in 1980 nearing the all star break he started to voice his concerns over fatigue in his arm and after the all star break he would collaspe in a pratice due to blood clots and never play an inning of professional ball again but when you look at those stats he was making great hitters look terrible and he was hard to hit and while he did survive the blood clots it eventually got so bad he ended up living under an overpass but luckily he was able to turn his life around which just shows how you can be impressive but one things can immediately cause all of that to be forgotten.
Well, deGrom just gave up his only real shot at playing in the World Series again. I think he intends to quietly dominate the regular season for the next several year to boost those stats for the Hall of Fame. If he can stay healthy then he's in. But thats a big big big "if".
You don’t need to win the World Series, let alone play in one, to be in the Hall of Fame. Just ask Ken Griffey Jr., who never even won a single playoff series.
You should have looked that up, because it is flat out wrong. Ken Griffey Jr was on the 95 Mariners who defeated the Yankees in the first playoff round that year.
The best part of the baseball hall of fame is how hard it is to actually get in. It needs tweaking because more than 1 person a year should get in. But it makes the hall of fame mean so much more. I do think Degrom should get in, and if judge has 2 more 50 home run season and/or has 500 home runs he should get in too
Degrom turns 35 this season, and as of right now has a grand total of 82 wins, which is exactly half of what Koufax ended up with. Koufax has the lowest win total for starters in the HOF besides Dizzy Dean. Degrom has a better shot of ending up with less than 100 wins than he does at making the HOF.
Don’t think he needs the wins as much as another cy young award. And he has a better chance at getting another one of those than judge two mvps he’d need
@Gemnist . Hall of Fame voters still look at career Win/Loss record as an important stat because it shows career long impact. Its why Kershaw is basically an instant hall of famer yet deGrom isnt, but Kershaw seems like a much older pitcher despite being the same age, because he still dominates in the oldschool stats, such as innings per start (would still pitch 200 innings if he wasnt injured) and wins. deGrom dominates the modern day stats in SIERA and K%
@@baileysmith4744 Kershaw also has been pitching on a major league roster since 2008 while deGrom debuted in 2013. no offense but kershaw is seen as an older pitching because he's been in the league for 15 years
It's not very complicated. If Judge can recover from this year's injury and put up numbers close to his average season (so far) for another 10 years there will be a very strong argument for him to go to Cooperstown. deGrom will be lucky to get to 100 wins. He has HoF talent, and he's not a headcase who would throw the talent all away because of an oversized ego... but his body is made out of glass. He will drop off the HoF ballot for lack of votes on the second or third try.
If judge put up his average numbers for ten years, he's gonna have 750+ homers. As of 2024, he already has a very strong HOF argument. He doesn't need to do it another ten years, but if he did, he would have to be considered the greatest clean hitter who ever lived. He would have done in 16 seasons what it took Hank Aaron over 20. What it took Barry Bonds about 20 years AND steroids to do.
What an irony that both of them are in the IL at this moment, which is a shame for us baseball fans who admire great players playing at the highest level
Both are going to have to stay healthy to have a chance at Cooperstown. This hasn’t been an easy season for either. Me personally, any pitcher who pitches a perfect game without controversy should be in consideration. A perfect game is almost an anomaly, and has only happened 24 (25, iykyk) times in MLB history. If DeGrom can add a perfect game to his resume, he’ll be a shoo in.
Judge last year broke the AL HR record with an OPS of 1.111. He currently is on pace for 60 homers and his OPS is 1.084. He is a gold glove caliber outfielder. The Yankee captain. A great leader/personality. A career .285 hitter. And after this year should have 3 seasons of over 50 homers in a 7 year stretch. First ballot stuff.
With 5 weeks left in the 2024 season, he is on pace for 63 HR and his OPS is over 1.200 In fact, his slugging percentage is about 20 points higher than the league average OPS. As good as his 2022 was, as good as his 2023 would have been without I jury, he is currently having his best season and a season that stacks up with the best seasons anyone ever had.
Never easy to forecast a career. Example Bellinger. After 2019 I thought he was a no doubt hof in the making. Now I doubt if he’s even an mlb caliber player.
I’m a Philly guy but I ask why is cole hamels ahead of degrom rn? Cole hamels peaks was good (pretty much one season though) and he was a workhorse but degrom is a far better player. Hamels was really inconsistent as well
Aaron Judge Hall of Fame Statistics per Baseball Reference: Black Ink Batting - 25 (96th), Average HOFer ≈ 27 Hall of Fame Monitor Batting - 76 (277th), Likely HOFer ≈ 100 JAWS Right Field (50th): 37.0 career WAR | 37.0 7yr-peak WAR | 37.0 JAWS | 8.2 WAR/162 Average HOF RF (out of 28): 71.1 career WAR | 42.4 7yr-peak WAR | 56.7 JAWS | 5.1 WAR/162 Important to note, the 8.2 WAR/162 which is an incredible 3.1 higher than the avg HoF RF. Also important to note is, since his career began technically in 2016, that limited time is factored into his 7 year peak. If you remove 2016, that -0.3 war is gone. If we assume he has a fairly standard statistical season and plays 140 games, that would probably be somewhere between 6 and 7 WAR added to his peak which brings it above that of an average HoF RF. Then factor in his games played is actually closer to 5 seasons worth, the number becomes all the more impressive. He has average HoF RF WAR and he missed out on (whether because it was before his call up or injury or just getting rest) about 200 games. So his 7 year peak only includes 5 and a half or so years worth of games. There's also the MVP, ROY, 3 silver sluggers, wouldn't be surprised to see him win a gold glove or at least be a finalist. And having a season like last year, statistically a top 25 all time season, definitely helps in the voting. If he wins a ring or two, that might cinch it.
i dont see Judge playing enough to make it, similar to Prince Fielder and Buster Posey. deGrom is a similar case but pitching has higher potential for success after 40 years old
There is no way deGrom gets in. He’s 34-35 already and he only has 82 wins and 1300 innings pitched. His injuries at this stage in his career, as well as the changes to the game, make it unlikely he ever gets to 200 IP in a season again, let alone even 2000 total innings. Anyone who doesn’t see this is so sabermetric brained that they’ve forgotten you have to produce on the actual field at the end of the day.
Well you see, you have to include the seasons where he wasn't cheating as well, and then he was just great as opposed to superhuman. The guys ahead of him are all over him in other areas as well.
The fact that this is even a question is the reason the Baseball HOF is a joke. Maybe they should just do like the Golf HOF and a player is automatically inducted after getting X amount of points based on wins and types of wins (regular or majors), basically stats. Instead it’s more like the Rock & Roll HOF where it’s based on who is popular to a select group of people. How about making it a combo of stats, popularity with the BBWA, and fan popularity. Maybe give negative points for certain factors like steroids, drug use, and crimes. How about just putting both FAMOUS players AND statistical outliers in? Maybe they’ll be both?
Biased as i met judge back in double a and have his auto but judge is likely i think thats a given degrom is possible if he can have a few healthy years but thats up to him and his health which really could go either way So judge likely but not a certainty and degrom is possible
I think deGrom, when healthy, was the best pitcher I ever saw. That said ... I don't think he's a Hall of Famer. Sadly, he got a late start to his career, and he was held back by health issues so much later in his career. He was amazing when he was healthy. Too bad he couldn't have stayed healthier.
No. Both players have been hurt by injuries. They aren’t getting younger. They are no different from most ball players. They will be remembered as very good players, who had a shot at being true hall of famers. Take tony oliva. To me, Tony is someone who HAD the potential to be a hall of famer. But injuries wore him down. I mean yes he got in but I’d disagree putting him based on his playing career (I’m more open to letting him based on entire coaching and playing career). Aaron judge is prob gonna follow the footsteps of Roger Maria-a player who had hall of fame production for a short period, but drifted away due to age and injuries. Both players should however be proud of what they have done.
Maris isnt in the hall despite setting the AL home run record, Judge didnt break the home run record, and he isnt even close to beating Bonds’ 73 homer season or 762 career homers, who also isnt in the hall
@Jackson Keesey you do know that has nothing to do with bonds hr record right, its still a record steroids or not. 73 is the single season record 762 is the career record thats all there is to it
But the voters are human and they likely have similar thoughts. Yes it isn't in the books as the record, but we all still know it is the legit record. I've never thought of any of those seasons as the real record. Hank Aaron is still the real HR king to me because if you cheat, your numbers are not legit.
I can honestly beer him ending with anywhere from 400-550. All depends on how many ABs. But even at 400, while not among the most prolific, he would be amongst the greatest home run hitters ever when you look at rate. He also benefits greatly because he is an all around talent. Can run the bases, plays a plus defense in the outfield, has a solid average, and of course, is just undeniably great with power. I agree, I think he gets in, and whether it is first ballot or not will largely depend on if he wins a ring or more. I'm not predicting it, but lets say he takes the Yankees on a little run and wins 3-4 rings. That goes a long way, especially if you're the Captain of the team. So even without reaching 500, I can see him getting in on the first go. But if he gets to 500 homers in what essentially would be about 13-14 seasons worth of games? He would be a first ballot lock.
Yeah that’s a great comparison. A guy who only had 4 elite seasons and about 5 or 6 really bad ones, to a guy who has never had a bad season. Lincecum has 19 WAR and DeGrom has 43. Get outta here with that
No for judge. He’s really not all that good, juiced balls led to his ‘record’ (the record is 73 deal with it). He’s a DH/1B by 2025. No rings yet and that team doesn’t look that close. There’s been more dominant players. For DeGrom he’s arguably the most dominant pitcher in 30 years, albeit in a shorter span than most. I think he gets in because of analytic driven ballots now, but 5-10 years ago and he doesn’t get past the first ballot like Johan Santana. That being said they’ll both be HOF. Judge because Yankee bias is so fucking crazy it’s unreal. And DeGrom because analytic statheads drool over him.
Imo if Judge doesn’t get at least 500 HR or 3,000 H he doesn’t belong in the HoF deGrom needs at least 2,500K and era under 3 to make it. Just my opinions of course
Judge most likely will retire as a world series champion, and probably a several time world champion at that. That will greatly help his case. Being the captain of a winning team looks good.
Both should be in, especially as old voters go out and new voters come in. Sabermetrically, they're two of the all time greats (if they can keep this pace of course)
Whoa, whoa, whoa. You are talking like degrom been pitching 200 innings the last few years. He has barely pitch the last 3 years. He could barely pitch 200 innings while healthy. Dude is a long way to hall of fame.
@@Trae973 as much as I think hating a player because of the team they play for is dumb, I at least know why the vast majority of Judge haters don’t like him, he plays for the Yankees. Though the people who don’t like him because “he didn’t break Bonds record, so no one should care” are also completely ridiculous
Lets see if any player is healthy at the end of their contract. Judge isn't injury prone and he never has been. Getting your wrist broken by a pitch hitting it, a rib injury when diving for a play and a shoulder from crashing into the wall are not injury prone injuries.
@@justinyo1796 sounds like you’re not really aware of science. When a hard object thrown at a high velocity hits you on the wrist, you have a very good shot at breaking said wrist. When you are overextended and land ribs first and weigh 270, rib injuries will happen. And when that same 270 pound body goes crashing into the wall shoulder first, you’re likely to hurt your shoulder. Since judge has dove multiple times since, crashed into the wall since and took a HBP off that same broken wrist since without recurring injury, I think you’re way off. He also played through the 2017 playoffs with the injury to his shoulder. Pretty hard to do if you’re actually injury prone. Saying he’s made of glass is like seeing a piano fall off a building onto someone’s head, then saying they’re a klutz.
@@justinyo1796 Since his rookie year, Judge has the highest WAR and most homers in all of baseball.. doing all that while being “made of glass” only makes it even more impressive.
Some of you are either biased asf, blind and/or crazy. If you really believe deGrom isn't getting in as of right now or it's still up in the air, I have some oceanfront property to sell you in Nebraska.
Judge won’t make it he will decline more and more in the next years. Degrom has a chance because how dominate he is when he is healthy one of the best to ever pitch when healthy.
Too early to tell for both. Judge needs about 5-6 more years of 2022ish performance. Degrom needs to not get injured and be good for at least 3 or 4 years.
@@titoslounge1946 I'm not saying he needs to hit 62 home runs every year, but he should at least be in the mvp conversation. It the HOF, not hall of mid.
DeGrom needs to prove he can pitch, at the very least, most of the next 3 or 4 seasons. Judge has no business whatsoever in this discussion. Going on 31 years old, less than 800 hits. Ryan Howard’s first 7 years looked a lot like Judge’s and you know how that turned out. No business.
Go check his baseball reference page. Check his HoF statistics like Black and grey ink tests. Check his home run rate again at the all time greats. And another player having a bad last half of their careers is in no way an indication that a completely different player would also have a bad last half. To say he doesn't belong in the discussion just proves you're a biased hater. Also, Ryan Howard never came close to doing what Judge did last season. You know how I know? Because the past guy to have a season as great as Judge had was Mickey Mantle in the 50s.
@@snerdterguson uhhh. Bro…wake up. I’m not biased at all. Judge is a good player. But there’s something called longevity. And again, Judge’s numbers don’t even come close. If he can produce into his late 30s, then yeah, maybe. But considering the guy’s size and modern factors, injuries are sure to come. You can check all the blue and gray ink you want, the fact is, you are the one who is clearly biased. I’m just being realistic. It’s a slap on the face for people in the Hall for Jude’s name to even be mentioned. He’s played 7 seasons. It’s not even close right now. Not even close. Sorry to disappoint.
@@lorimeyers3839 judge isn’t a “good player” he’s an excellent player. His war/162 is 8.2 and is topped only by Babe Ruth among RFs, his 37 WAR, is the 50th best any RF has had, and he did it in 5.5 seasons worth of games. He averages an absurd 49 homers/162. And there is a minimum service time of 10 years. I’m sick and tired of that being ignored. You don’t need to have stats it takes 20 years to get. There’s also the fact that most voters are knowledgeable so they would see the early injury as what they were. Flukes. Guy has an mvp, everyone knows he was better than Altuve in 17 (without considering sign stealing he was absolutely robbed) so he should have 2. ROY, plays plus defense and can run well. Very few players have been top 5 players for 6 years and didn’t make the hall.
Since his rookie year, Judge has the highest WAR in all of baseball and the most homers. All while being “injury prone” too btw. If he can keep up even close to this production for the next 5 years or so and can get a ring or 2, he’s an automatic lock. You need to look into his stats more.
@@silkyjohnson7599 his numbers are identical to Ryan Howard’s thru his first 7 seasons. They are good. And you’re tellin the wrong guy to look at stats. Judge is a good player. Never, ever said he’s out of the question, BUT, he would need to continue to produce for at least a handful of years before consideration. He has 745 hits or something and going into his age 31 season. Believe me, I hope he gets there. But right now is premature.
If you don’t think judge is getting into the HoF you are smoking crack. Everyone keeps doubting Judge for his size but the truth is that he isn’t nearly as prone to regression as everyone thinks he is. If he plays the rest of his contract he is a first rounder
Judge is an automatic HOFer, its inevitable hes in. Especially being on pace for 500+ career homers. Every player in history not busted with PEDS is in the HOF that have 500+ career homeruns. As for Degrom he needs to just stay on the field and boost his career numbers. Its not like he needs to get better, hes a generational talent and not one year a wonder. Degrom can go in as long as he stays healthy.
Judge is on track to make it. DeGrom isn't. DeGrom didn't make the majors until age 26 and he's missed most of the last two years. He was having the best season since 1968 Bob Gibson in 2021 but got hurt. A 3rd Cy Young and a year like that would've made his case a lot like Sandy Koufax. Now DeGrom is more like Johan Santana and Johan Santana didn't get in the HoF.
They’ll only give it to judge since he’s in NY, and his loyalty factor” Jeter has no business being in the Hall of Fame but since he was apart of the dynasty and loyalty is the only reason why he’s there
How does a career .310/.377/.817 player with 3465 hits have no business being a HOFer? Jeter isn’t the GOAT SS- he wasn’t even the best SS on his own team, but to act like he was some scrub is hilarious.
I don’t like Jeter, but he is definitely a HOF. Yes he was terrible defensively. But dude was a great hitter. And then of course he was part of that “dynasty”. So that is another reason. Lol 😅
You clearly either never watched baseball or you just follow the media narrative of his defensive rating. One of the greatest hitters to ever play the game, especially for the ss position. Clutch, leadership, and most importantly, rings He's not the goat by any measure but not a hof'er? Laughable
I hated Jeter and the Yanks, but his greatness is easily seen if you watched him live. When the game is on the line and you need a hit, Jeter would come through and then Arod would strike out. Most clutch hitter of his time.
It's probably more likely DeGrom wins 1 more cy young than Judge wins 2 mvps. It seems unlikely that counting stats will be there friends given they both got to the majors relatively late. Hope they both can do enough to get into Cooperstown one day though.
Both COULD make the HOF, but it requires that both (1) remain healthy, (2)play full seasons( Judge at least 140 games, DeGrom 28-30 starts) for five seasons, (3)maintain their current level of play. Alll three must happen, or no HOF
One other way DeGrom can go: if he is converted to a closer, a la Dennis Eckersley and John Smoltz, and accumulates a good number of saves to go along with his prowess as a starter
Degrom already has a career 43.8 war. The average HOF starting pitcher war is 73.0 which is boasted by old timers such as walter johnson and cy young. Assuming Degrom can atleast get to 60 career war which would be just over 3 war for the 5 years on his contract. I think that is very much achievable and he'll likely surpass that assuming he can stay relatively healthy.
@@maxbolon3143 yeah, as long as his current contract isn't awful, he will rack up the counting stats to get in
@Javier Corral sale has been much more injury probe but had 7 straight top 6 cy young finishes from 2012-2018. His career 45.5 war is slightly higher than degrom. If sale can come back and have a few more healthy productive years it’s still possible he could make the hall of fame. Although I have more faith in degrom especially considering he has 2 cy youngs.
No, Degrom is not and will not MAKE the HALL OF FAME‼️😅😂🤣
Judge is a 3rd or 4th Ballot HALL OF FAMER‼️🤷🏻🤷🏼♀️🤷🏽♂️
It’s just contingent on health for deGrom, and Judge just needs to not regress too quickly. If he has a few more All-Star years, he’ll get in.
The baseball writers who vote are morons who vote based on personality instead of credentials so who the hell knows by that standard I guess Judge gets in. Judge is my favorite player but I hope he gets in based on his qualifications and not because he was a good guy to the baseball writers.
But he did break a record steroid free
Judges size will help him hit be a good hitter for a while even after he’s out of his prime.
@@oofth”steroid free” while I appreciate judges record, you have to be extremely naive to think these athletes aren’t still on some sort of enhancements
Currently on pace for another 60 homer season. He will get in by a landslide.
I think Judge will get in the HOF as long as he plays out his contract. idk about deGrom, elite af no doubt but is he even going to reach 2,000 innings pitched?
DeGrom won't make the HOF, he's made of glass and already had his first set back with the rangers
Unfortunately I don’t think Jake makes it in. Surely a HoF level talent, but he can’t stay on healthy
It's probably more likely DeGrom wins 1 more cy young than Judge wins 2 mvps. It seems unlikely that counting stats will be there friends given they both got to the majors relatively late. Hope they both can do enough to get into Cooperstown one day though.
2024 Judge has something he wants to tell you.
Man do I have some news for you brother…
I had no clue degrom didn't come up as a pitcher... that's mind blowing
He was a SS in college, but pitched out of the bullpen in his junior (some) and senior years. So he came to the MLB as a pitcher.
If judge averages 3 war a season over this contract he would end up with 64 WAR and if he averages 35 homers which I think is possible we would have over 500 career homers. Combine that with his record breaking season I think he gets in. Also Judge should already have 2 MVP awards. deGrom is a yes for me, this is realistically his last big contract he’s 34 with a 5 year deal. He’s only at 44 career WAR. If he averages 4 WAR each year of his contract he’ll be at 64 as well. Which I think gets him in.
Generally 60 reference WAR is the point where it’s a yes from most of the sabermetric community I notice, with 70 a definite endorsement from them.
nah he lost to altuve who is an actual hof in the making.
@@vincenthammons6705 look at their offensive stats that year and tell me that judge didn’t deserve MVP
Judge is very likely if he keeps at it
DeGrom needs to stay healthy and he’s in
Judge only has 5 complete career seasons. usually you need 17+ to make it in, and Judge is already in his 30’s, with the expectation that injuries prevent him from making it to 40 in the big leagues, or at least with average or above numbers
@@baileysmith4744 if he gets 13-15 years I can see him easily getting in, especially if he keeps this up for another 5-7 years. Obviously not 62 a year but I could see him averaging 35 over the next 5-7 years
@Paolo De Pillo . He has 2 seasons with 35+ homers and he is already 30. If it only took 13-15 years of 35+ homers to get in, a lot more players would be in. Judge will struggle to play past 40, and given how his career is going, he wont get in because his milestones wont be good enough, his total service time will be too low, and his rate stats arent going to get looked at much because that doesnt represent longevity which the HOF cares about
@@baileysmith4744 if he gets over 500 homers I think he would get it, he’s arguably the face of baseball right now. Just look at his treatment last year, the media loves him. They’ll definitely vote him in if he gets over 500 homers and wins a chip. One more mvp wouldn’t hurt either
@Paolo De Pillo . I doubt he hits 500 homer. He is at 220 right now, so even if he hits 30 every year he wont touch 500 until he turns 39, and i just dont see him hitting that many on average with his injury history, and just how difficult it is to hit that well at that age. I can see him maybe getting 400 if he can stay in the league until 40, but not 500
i will say a good example for deGrom is J.R Richards as he was a very impressive pitcher for the Astros in the late 70's up to 1980 and had things been a bit different his number would probably be retired and he would be in the hall but that didnt happen. Unfortunately for Richards in 1980 nearing the all star break he started to voice his concerns over fatigue in his arm and after the all star break he would collaspe in a pratice due to blood clots and never play an inning of professional ball again but when you look at those stats he was making great hitters look terrible and he was hard to hit and while he did survive the blood clots it eventually got so bad he ended up living under an overpass but luckily he was able to turn his life around which just shows how you can be impressive but one things can immediately cause all of that to be forgotten.
Well, deGrom just gave up his only real shot at playing in the World Series again. I think he intends to quietly dominate the regular season for the next several year to boost those stats for the Hall of Fame. If he can stay healthy then he's in. But thats a big big big "if".
The Mets don’t win championship very often
@@nickgabriel1879Better chance than with the Rangers. 😅
@@FTLnovaKid lol mets x47
You don’t need to win the World Series, let alone play in one, to be in the Hall of Fame. Just ask Ken Griffey Jr., who never even won a single playoff series.
You should have looked that up, because it is flat out wrong. Ken Griffey Jr was on the 95 Mariners who defeated the Yankees in the first playoff round that year.
Sad thing is, judge should already have 2 MVPS
The best part of the baseball hall of fame is how hard it is to actually get in. It needs tweaking because more than 1 person a year should get in. But it makes the hall of fame mean so much more. I do think Degrom should get in, and if judge has 2 more 50 home run season and/or has 500 home runs he should get in too
Degrom turns 35 this season, and as of right now has a grand total of 82 wins, which is exactly half of what Koufax ended up with. Koufax has the lowest win total for starters in the HOF besides Dizzy Dean. Degrom has a better shot of ending up with less than 100 wins than he does at making the HOF.
in Texas with 2 good seasons he can easily get 18 wins as long as he pitches 25+ starts
Don’t think he needs the wins as much as another cy young award. And he has a better chance at getting another one of those than judge two mvps he’d need
Wins are becoming less and less valuable as relievers come into their own and less complete games are thrown.
@Gemnist . Hall of Fame voters still look at career Win/Loss record as an important stat because it shows career long impact. Its why Kershaw is basically an instant hall of famer yet deGrom isnt, but Kershaw seems like a much older pitcher despite being the same age, because he still dominates in the oldschool stats, such as innings per start (would still pitch 200 innings if he wasnt injured) and wins. deGrom dominates the modern day stats in SIERA and K%
@@baileysmith4744 Kershaw also has been pitching on a major league roster since 2008 while deGrom debuted in 2013. no offense but kershaw is seen as an older pitching because he's been in the league for 15 years
So do you have a second channel because some videos/clips are copyrighted and you’re just talking over them
It's not very complicated. If Judge can recover from this year's injury and put up numbers close to his average season (so far) for another 10 years there will be a very strong argument for him to go to Cooperstown.
deGrom will be lucky to get to 100 wins. He has HoF talent, and he's not a headcase who would throw the talent all away because of an oversized ego... but his body is made out of glass. He will drop off the HoF ballot for lack of votes on the second or third try.
If judge put up his average numbers for ten years, he's gonna have 750+ homers. As of 2024, he already has a very strong HOF argument. He doesn't need to do it another ten years, but if he did, he would have to be considered the greatest clean hitter who ever lived. He would have done in 16 seasons what it took Hank Aaron over 20. What it took Barry Bonds about 20 years AND steroids to do.
What an irony that both of them are in the IL at this moment, which is a shame for us baseball fans who admire great players playing at the highest level
Both are going to have to stay healthy to have a chance at Cooperstown. This hasn’t been an easy season for either. Me personally, any pitcher who pitches a perfect game without controversy should be in consideration. A perfect game is almost an anomaly, and has only happened 24 (25, iykyk) times in MLB history. If DeGrom can add a perfect game to his resume, he’ll be a shoo in.
Degrom is always injured. It's gonna take a miracle
Judge last year broke the AL HR record with an OPS of 1.111.
He currently is on pace for 60 homers and his OPS is 1.084.
He is a gold glove caliber outfielder. The Yankee captain. A great leader/personality. A career .285 hitter. And after this year should have 3 seasons of over 50 homers in a 7 year stretch. First ballot stuff.
With 5 weeks left in the 2024 season, he is on pace for 63 HR and his OPS is over 1.200
In fact, his slugging percentage is about 20 points higher than the league average OPS.
As good as his 2022 was, as good as his 2023 would have been without I jury, he is currently having his best season and a season that stacks up with the best seasons anyone ever had.
deGrom is gonna win a Cy Young in one of those 5/6 years with Texas
Never easy to forecast a career. Example Bellinger. After 2019 I thought he was a no doubt hof in the making. Now I doubt if he’s even an mlb caliber player.
Another example, Tim Lincecum. After his first 5 years, who didn’t think he was a sure fire Hall of Famer?
Degrom will have to pitch until 40 and not get injured a lot. If he gets injured a decent amount he will need to pitch until 42
DeGrom's got a ring now
I’m a Philly guy but I ask why is cole hamels ahead of degrom rn? Cole hamels peaks was good (pretty much one season though) and he was a workhorse but degrom is a far better player. Hamels was really inconsistent as well
Aaron Judge Hall of Fame Statistics per Baseball Reference:
Black Ink
Batting - 25 (96th), Average HOFer ≈ 27
Hall of Fame Monitor
Batting - 76 (277th), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
JAWS
Right Field (50th):
37.0 career WAR | 37.0 7yr-peak WAR | 37.0 JAWS | 8.2 WAR/162
Average HOF RF (out of 28):
71.1 career WAR | 42.4 7yr-peak WAR | 56.7 JAWS | 5.1 WAR/162
Important to note, the 8.2 WAR/162 which is an incredible 3.1 higher than the avg HoF RF. Also important to note is, since his career began technically in 2016, that limited time is factored into his 7 year peak. If you remove 2016, that -0.3 war is gone. If we assume he has a fairly standard statistical season and plays 140 games, that would probably be somewhere between 6 and 7 WAR added to his peak which brings it above that of an average HoF RF. Then factor in his games played is actually closer to 5 seasons worth, the number becomes all the more impressive. He has average HoF RF WAR and he missed out on (whether because it was before his call up or injury or just getting rest) about 200 games. So his 7 year peak only includes 5 and a half or so years worth of games.
There's also the MVP, ROY, 3 silver sluggers, wouldn't be surprised to see him win a gold glove or at least be a finalist. And having a season like last year, statistically a top 25 all time season, definitely helps in the voting. If he wins a ring or two, that might cinch it.
Literally watching this as Degromm tore his UCL today
i dont see Judge playing enough to make it, similar to Prince Fielder and Buster Posey. deGrom is a similar case but pitching has higher potential for success after 40 years old
There is no way deGrom gets in. He’s 34-35 already and he only has 82 wins and 1300 innings pitched. His injuries at this stage in his career, as well as the changes to the game, make it unlikely he ever gets to 200 IP in a season again, let alone even 2000 total innings. Anyone who doesn’t see this is so sabermetric brained that they’ve forgotten you have to produce on the actual field at the end of the day.
WRC+ is SUS AF if Barry Bonds isn't in the top 4 imo
Well you see, you have to include the seasons where he wasn't cheating as well, and then he was just great as opposed to superhuman. The guys ahead of him are all over him in other areas as well.
I think Judge gets in if he reaches 400 HR. DeGrom needs to pass 2000 Ks and 60 WAR in my opinion
Judge has two MVPs
Nope cheating Altuve stole one.
But he's likely gonna get his second (actually third) after the 2024 season is over.
theyll both get in but its based on injuries
5:30 aged like milk
I had a thought about Ohtani. Will Ohtani get 200 wins and 400 HR? Would those be HOF numbers?
I don't know if he will achieve 200/400, but if he does he's easily first ballot.
Aaaaaaaaand another TJ for deGrom it’s gonna be a long shot now
The fact that this is even a question is the reason the Baseball HOF is a joke. Maybe they should just do like the Golf HOF and a player is automatically inducted after getting X amount of points based on wins and types of wins (regular or majors), basically stats. Instead it’s more like the Rock & Roll HOF where it’s based on who is popular to a select group of people. How about making it a combo of stats, popularity with the BBWA, and fan popularity. Maybe give negative points for certain factors like steroids, drug use, and crimes. How about just putting both FAMOUS players AND statistical outliers in? Maybe they’ll be both?
They are already in.
Biased as i met judge back in double a and have his auto but judge is likely i think thats a given degrom is possible if he can have a few healthy years but thats up to him and his health which really could go either way
So judge likely but not a certainty and degrom is possible
I think deGrom, when healthy, was the best pitcher I ever saw. That said ... I don't think he's a Hall of Famer. Sadly, he got a late start to his career, and he was held back by health issues so much later in his career. He was amazing when he was healthy. Too bad he couldn't have stayed healthier.
No. Both players have been hurt by injuries. They aren’t getting younger. They are no different from most ball players. They will be remembered as very good players, who had a shot at being true hall of famers.
Take tony oliva. To me, Tony is someone who HAD the potential to be a hall of famer. But injuries wore him down. I mean yes he got in but I’d disagree putting him based on his playing career (I’m more open to letting him based on entire coaching and playing career).
Aaron judge is prob gonna follow the footsteps of Roger Maria-a player who had hall of fame production for a short period, but drifted away due to age and injuries.
Both players should however be proud of what they have done.
Breaking the home run record should be an automatic hall of fame
Maris isnt in the hall despite setting the AL home run record, Judge didnt break the home run record, and he isnt even close to beating Bonds’ 73 homer season or 762 career homers, who also isnt in the hall
@@baileysmith4744 you do know why bonds isn’t in the hall right
@Jackson Keesey you do know that has nothing to do with bonds hr record right, its still a record steroids or not. 73 is the single season record 762 is the career record thats all there is to it
But the voters are human and they likely have similar thoughts. Yes it isn't in the books as the record, but we all still know it is the legit record. I've never thought of any of those seasons as the real record. Hank Aaron is still the real HR king to me because if you cheat, your numbers are not legit.
I don't think Judge gets to 500 hr and I don't think he will be a first ballot Hofer but he will make it
I can honestly beer him ending with anywhere from 400-550. All depends on how many ABs. But even at 400, while not among the most prolific, he would be amongst the greatest home run hitters ever when you look at rate. He also benefits greatly because he is an all around talent. Can run the bases, plays a plus defense in the outfield, has a solid average, and of course, is just undeniably great with power.
I agree, I think he gets in, and whether it is first ballot or not will largely depend on if he wins a ring or more.
I'm not predicting it, but lets say he takes the Yankees on a little run and wins 3-4 rings. That goes a long way, especially if you're the Captain of the team. So even without reaching 500, I can see him getting in on the first go. But if he gets to 500 homers in what essentially would be about 13-14 seasons worth of games? He would be a first ballot lock.
Greatest modern season for a power hitter without PEDs. He is the record holder as far as I'm concerned.
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If Big Time Timmy Jim ain’t in the HOF DeGrom shouldn’t be up to this point.
Yeah that’s a great comparison. A guy who only had 4 elite seasons and about 5 or 6 really bad ones, to a guy who has never had a bad season. Lincecum has 19 WAR and DeGrom has 43. Get outta here with that
I mean, you aren't wrong, and yet, Lincecum was a World Series god while DeGrom was awful.
DeGrom is the best pitcher I've ever seen besides Pedro Martinez and Randy Johnson. Just my opinion.
Kershaw was really good too
No for judge. He’s really not all that good, juiced balls led to his ‘record’ (the record is 73 deal with it).
He’s a DH/1B by 2025. No rings yet and that team doesn’t look that close. There’s been more dominant players.
For DeGrom he’s arguably the most dominant pitcher in 30 years, albeit in a shorter span than most. I think he gets in because of analytic driven ballots now, but 5-10 years ago and he doesn’t get past the first ballot like Johan Santana.
That being said they’ll both be HOF. Judge because Yankee bias is so fucking crazy it’s unreal. And DeGrom because analytic statheads drool over him.
Judge needs to get on the Barry Bonds diet and peak at age 36.
Judge in 4 years will be the full-time DH.
Degrom? HOF? LMFAO!
His plaque would read Most Overpaid Pitcher Per Inning in History.
Scott Rolen in the hall. so ya both these guys are already in far as I'm concerned
premature arguments are really sully. Let the player finish their careers 1st then we see.
Imo if Judge doesn’t get at least 500 HR or 3,000 H he doesn’t belong in the HoF
deGrom needs at least 2,500K and era under 3 to make it.
Just my opinions of course
3000? He’s uncertain for even 2,000! Granted, the new voters don’t care for 2,000, but regardless.
He'll have at least 500 hr, and 2000 hits is enough. IMO
If Jake does make the Hall, it sure as hell won't be for anything he will have done in Texas.
Both are like that guy in SpongeBob with glass bones and paper skin and I don’t see it getting any better with age.
Judge most likely will retire as a world series champion, and probably a several time world champion at that. That will greatly help his case. Being the captain of a winning team looks good.
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I don't see why not
Both should be in, especially as old voters go out and new voters come in. Sabermetrically, they're two of the all time greats (if they can keep this pace of course)
deGrom is a no, Judge is a possibility as of june 2024. deGrom is about to turn 36
Whoa, whoa, whoa. You are talking like degrom been pitching 200 innings the last few years. He has barely pitch the last 3 years. He could barely pitch 200 innings while healthy. Dude is a long way to hall of fame.
isn't Degrom a good hitter as well? would any offensive numbers help Degroms case?
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Judge, the real hr king.
People just hate on deGrom for no reason
@@Trae973 as much as I think hating a player because of the team they play for is dumb, I at least know why the vast majority of Judge haters don’t like him, he plays for the Yankees. Though the people who don’t like him because “he didn’t break Bonds record, so no one should care” are also completely ridiculous
@@Trae973 I don’t understand how he isn’t already but Yankees hatred runs deep for some people
@@Trae973 Cubs
It’s just salty Mets fans
@@Trae973 still mad the Cubs panic signed him
Let's see if Judge is even healthy by the end of his contract first.
Lets see if any player is healthy at the end of their contract. Judge isn't injury prone and he never has been. Getting your wrist broken by a pitch hitting it, a rib injury when diving for a play and a shoulder from crashing into the wall are not injury prone injuries.
@@snerdterguson sounds like he's made of glass lmao.
@@justinyo1796 sounds like you’re not really aware of science. When a hard object thrown at a high velocity hits you on the wrist, you have a very good shot at breaking said wrist. When you are overextended and land ribs first and weigh 270, rib injuries will happen. And when that same 270 pound body goes crashing into the wall shoulder first, you’re likely to hurt your shoulder.
Since judge has dove multiple times since, crashed into the wall since and took a HBP off that same broken wrist since without recurring injury, I think you’re way off.
He also played through the 2017 playoffs with the injury to his shoulder. Pretty hard to do if you’re actually injury prone.
Saying he’s made of glass is like seeing a piano fall off a building onto someone’s head, then saying they’re a klutz.
@@justinyo1796 Since his rookie year, Judge has the highest WAR and most homers in all of baseball.. doing all that while being “made of glass” only makes it even more impressive.
The bar for getting into the Hall of Fame has been lowered after Baines got in. He'll get in unless he has a steep decline.
Isn’t it the Hall of the Pretty Good now?
PS. yanks had juiced balls in 2022 provided by the league.
When they find out that Judge has been roiding, no
Except they'd never out a cash cow like Judge or Ohtani. I'm sure they regret outting Tatis already.
Some of you are either biased asf, blind and/or crazy. If you really believe deGrom isn't getting in as of right now or it's still up in the air, I have some oceanfront property to sell you in Nebraska.
such a curse video. they both out for year,well Judge may come back
huh? judge will reach 500 homers easily he will be a hall of famer
Judge won’t make it he will decline more and more in the next years.
Degrom has a chance because how dominate he is when he is healthy one of the best to ever pitch when healthy.
How?
Koufax has the fewest wins of any hofer. He has 164 wins. DeGrom has less than 90.
Judge yes, DeGrom probably not.
My g I still play with chapter 1 mechanics😭
Judge will, DeGrom won't sadly.
bro needs to breath
Without watching the video yet, I would say deGrom should be in the hall and Judge hasn’t done enough yet
Neither of them are hall of famers
Too early to tell for both. Judge needs about 5-6 more years of 2022ish performance. Degrom needs to not get injured and be good for at least 3 or 4 years.
You’re saying judge needs to be an mvp finalist/winner for the next 5 years to go to the HOF? Are you joking?
@@titoslounge1946 I'm not saying he needs to hit 62 home runs every year, but he should at least be in the mvp conversation. It the HOF, not hall of mid.
DeGrom needs to prove he can pitch, at the very least, most of the next 3 or 4 seasons. Judge has no business whatsoever in this discussion. Going on 31 years old, less than 800 hits. Ryan Howard’s first 7 years looked a lot like Judge’s and you know how that turned out. No business.
Go check his baseball reference page. Check his HoF statistics like Black and grey ink tests. Check his home run rate again at the all time greats.
And another player having a bad last half of their careers is in no way an indication that a completely different player would also have a bad last half.
To say he doesn't belong in the discussion just proves you're a biased hater. Also, Ryan Howard never came close to doing what Judge did last season. You know how I know? Because the past guy to have a season as great as Judge had was Mickey Mantle in the 50s.
@@snerdterguson uhhh. Bro…wake up. I’m not biased at all. Judge is a good player. But there’s something called longevity. And again, Judge’s numbers don’t even come close. If he can produce into his late 30s, then yeah, maybe. But considering the guy’s size and modern factors, injuries are sure to come. You can check all the blue and gray ink you want, the fact is, you are the one who is clearly biased. I’m just being realistic. It’s a slap on the face for people in the Hall for Jude’s name to even be mentioned. He’s played 7 seasons. It’s not even close right now. Not even close. Sorry to disappoint.
@@lorimeyers3839 judge isn’t a “good player” he’s an excellent player. His war/162 is 8.2 and is topped only by Babe Ruth among RFs, his 37 WAR, is the 50th best any RF has had, and he did it in 5.5 seasons worth of games. He averages an absurd 49 homers/162.
And there is a minimum service time of 10 years. I’m sick and tired of that being ignored. You don’t need to have stats it takes 20 years to get. There’s also the fact that most voters are knowledgeable so they would see the early injury as what they were. Flukes. Guy has an mvp, everyone knows he was better than Altuve in 17 (without considering sign stealing he was absolutely robbed) so he should have 2. ROY, plays plus defense and can run well. Very few players have been top 5 players for 6 years and didn’t make the hall.
Since his rookie year, Judge has the highest WAR in all of baseball and the most homers. All while being “injury prone” too btw. If he can keep up even close to this production for the next 5 years or so and can get a ring or 2, he’s an automatic lock. You need to look into his stats more.
@@silkyjohnson7599 his numbers are identical to Ryan Howard’s thru his first 7 seasons. They are good. And you’re tellin the wrong guy to look at stats. Judge is a good player. Never, ever said he’s out of the question, BUT, he would need to continue to produce for at least a handful of years before consideration. He has 745 hits or something and going into his age 31 season. Believe me, I hope he gets there. But right now is premature.
If you don’t think judge is getting into the HoF you are smoking crack. Everyone keeps doubting Judge for his size but the truth is that he isn’t nearly as prone to regression as everyone thinks he is. If he plays the rest of his contract he is a first rounder
They are both no doubt hall of famers 😭😭 not now but will be
Aaron no
@@willmoe2190 he will be, just gotta stay consistent or atleast healthy for the next 7-8 years
@@Trae973 no
Wow, what a wonderfully worded and well researched response. "No". Really gave us the meat and potatoes in that one friend.
@@willmoe2190 who are you
For my money, both are too old. Began their dominance too late.
Judge is an automatic HOFer, its inevitable hes in. Especially being on pace for 500+ career homers. Every player in history not busted with PEDS is in the HOF that have 500+ career homeruns.
As for Degrom he needs to just stay on the field and boost his career numbers. Its not like he needs to get better, hes a generational talent and not one year a wonder. Degrom can go in as long as he stays healthy.
Judge is on track to make it. DeGrom isn't. DeGrom didn't make the majors until age 26 and he's missed most of the last two years. He was having the best season since 1968 Bob Gibson in 2021 but got hurt. A 3rd Cy Young and a year like that would've made his case a lot like Sandy Koufax. Now DeGrom is more like Johan Santana and Johan Santana didn't get in the HoF.
Both could retired today and be Hall of Famers and I'm confident of that.
They’ll only give it to judge since he’s in NY, and his loyalty factor”
Jeter has no business being in the Hall of Fame but since he was apart of the dynasty and loyalty is the only reason why he’s there
How does a career .310/.377/.817 player with 3465 hits have no business being a HOFer? Jeter isn’t the GOAT SS- he wasn’t even the best SS on his own team, but to act like he was some scrub is hilarious.
I don’t like Jeter, but he is definitely a HOF. Yes he was terrible defensively. But dude was a great hitter. And then of course he was part of that “dynasty”. So that is another reason. Lol 😅
You clearly either never watched baseball or you just follow the media narrative of his defensive rating. One of the greatest hitters to ever play the game, especially for the ss position. Clutch, leadership, and most importantly, rings
He's not the goat by any measure but not a hof'er? Laughable
I hated Jeter and the Yanks, but his greatness is easily seen if you watched him live. When the game is on the line and you need a hit, Jeter would come through and then Arod would strike out. Most clutch hitter of his time.
JETER HAS NO BUSINESS BEING IN THE HALL OF FAME??? BUDDYYYYYYY that’s fucking JETER he absolutely belongs in a Hall of FAME
Both NY teams are pretty mediocre.
Nope
It's probably more likely DeGrom wins 1 more cy young than Judge wins 2 mvps. It seems unlikely that counting stats will be there friends given they both got to the majors relatively late. Hope they both can do enough to get into Cooperstown one day though.