I love how, throughout this montage, the ideas are obviously coming from Pete. But Billy is mostly the one communicating. It’s not just about the right method or strategy, those become worthless without effective communication to the players, which is Billy’s gift.
@@GrantCrabe numbers can be a good average, but they can also miss a lot. booth can be useful on the field. when u are in the heat of the moment averages can be good lead too. experience is another thing too
I think about this movie every time people complain about ohtani stroking out it going into a slump. It's a numbers game. Nobody ever promised you a home run every at bat. Look at his numbers. I'm the long run he is a winner.
The movie begins with a quote from Mickey Mantle saying it's amazing how little one knows about the game you have been playing all your life. Then this scene makes so much sense about how it should be played, going back to basics and what should be done in order to win. I love this movie !!!
Many sports have multiple angles to them. Being talented or more technical; bigger, faster, stronger, doesn't always guarantee greater success. Your intelligence & approach to any sport are also part of how good a player you are. People always want to focus on talent, ability & potential, and very rarely look at output.
Very rarely look at output? Looking at output is a major component of the analysis of any process. Including a baseball game. Or season. Or career. There wouldn't be so many resources devoted to sports statistics if a lot of people didn't want to "look at output"
Yankees wanted to essentially get rid of Justice, but probably couldn't trade him because of his massive salary, so instead they traded him for half the salary, continued to pay the other half, just so there's more cap space for other players.
Just read the sign behind Pratt for the first time when talking to "David Justice." "Performance DRIES up," as the last line. Due to the DEHYDRATING of the muscle by 3%. This movie is so insanely intelligent and incredibly written. I "catch" something new each time:)
It is so hard to stick with something that does not work immediately. To have patience and hone a system based on faith and conviction is something to be applauded.
by far the best made sports movie of all time. I never knew anything about baseball. I still dont, but I love every second of this movie. great actors, great story
A *VERY* huge subtlety that goes unnoticed by a lot of people is how Billy respected David enough, that he took heed to the opinion Pete most likely shared with Billy, that David complained about paying for soda in the clubhouse, and then he fleeced the GM of the Tigers to pay for stocking his soda machine so they won't have to pay👍👍
Not shown here, but the greatest scene in the movie is where the scouts are gathered and they’re trying to piece together a team and the oldest guy in the room finally tells everyone that they can give suggestions, but it eventually ends up on Beans shoulders. I think he got what Billy was trying to do
I'm not sure he did, but more importantly, he understood that Billy was in charge, and that Billy had some new fresh ideas to break the A's through the inherently inherently biased system in the majors, and that the rest of the old-timers needed to lose their sense of entitlement and overconfidence
The craziest thing about Billy Bean is HE'S STILL DOING IT. The A's payroll today, in an era where the cheapest teams are paying their players 150 million, is about 45 million, and he still manages to keep them relevant and in contention the majority of the seasons they play. Imagine if he worked for an owner who actually cared about the team. Imagine if Cohen had bought the A's. If Bean had happened to develop that loyalty to any other franchise we'd talk about him like Brady and Bellichick. There is absolutely no better GM in the game at maximizing value.
Man, I really like that 3:00 leadership pep talk. 'Cause I've been on both sides of that conversation. Sometimes you've got a shithead boss, but if you're gonna play for a team, you've gotta motivate those coming up. And sometimes I've been that higher up who has to put confidence and motivation into the reluctant new front line supervisor. And both dudes did a good job of communicating those feels.
"It's a process, it's a process, it's a process" is a line I still quote daily when I need to convince an employee to stick with a procedure that doesn't immediately give results.
5:45 Went from 6 games below .500 to 7 games above .500 in only four weeks by going 18-5. To all the average fans who aren't aware, this is incredibly hard to do in the big leagues.
Seen this movie 6 times and am kind of a baseball historian nerd. What the movie doesn't tell you, with Zito, Mulder and Hudson on the mound as starters, you didn't need to score a ton of runs.
I, a baseball ignoramus, love this movie. Friend of mine years ago gave me a book called Fever Pitch, about soccer. He HATES soccer (all sports actually he’s a mathematician) but similarly loved that book. Most memorable chapter is about a guy called Gus Caesar and the way the tale is told translates to all sportsmen. I understand that a lot of Moneyball isn’t factually accurate and I am so so glad that the truth wasn’t allowed to interfere with with a great movie.
@Moroklumpen the movie surmises that the 100 game win season was only due to the off season moves and not the very good players already on the team. That is why I have an issue with the movie not at least mentioning the existing talent.
@@vdoggydogg3922not mentioned in the movie: Tejada (mvp), Chavez (34 hr 109rbi), Dye( 24hr, 86rbi in 130 games) Zito (cy-young) and Hudson who’s numbers were comparable to Zito. Pretty solid core that any team would sign for.
Buy in is one of the most overlooked aspect of any team’s success. The lack of attention given to training the psychological aspects of sports is astonishing.
Like this movie but people seem to forget or not a single mentioned that this team is still loaded with talent. Starting rotation of Hudson, Zito & Mulder. Position players of Tejada, Chavez & Dye.
I love this movie but the pitch must have been difficult lol. "Yeah so it's a movie about baseball, which a lot of people consider a boring game, but it' mostly focused on spreadsheets and the back offices. Oh and we want everything to be low light, soft colors, no music but lots of office sounds and chatter. Best scene is a bunch of old men arguing in a whitewashed room"
Not really. The pitch was (probably) “We got Brad Pitt starring and Aaron Sorkin writing…….An American underdog story about the National Pastime.” You’re framing it all wrong and trying to break the cinematographer’s and director’s balls…….
I love how Chris Pratt's character puts his glove on in the locker room. Low key telegraphing how nervous he is. NOTE: for those of you that have never played baseball, you don't need to actually put your glove on until it's time to field a ball...on the field.
to me baseball was just always winning. I was on a good team my whole life, from little league to highschool. Won every little league championship, minor league we always won the conference and went to state at the very least. My dad was always the coach and from little league to summer ball besides highschool (they wanted him to but he worked too much) would lead us to victory. I miss those days so much, almost feels like a dream or another life its been so long.
I love baseball movies , Field of Dreams, League of Their Own, Sandlot , how can you not love baseball . I thank God I have had two great experiences in life ,playing baseball , and racing dirt bikes . Lots of others also but those two define my loves.
One of the inconsistencies of this movie is that there was no actual hostility between Billy Beane and David Justice. Beane and Justice were united and Justice already knew how to be a leader and didn’t need to be told.
The pitch clock helped save baseball. Turned a 4 hour game into 2.5. Bunch of superstitious prima donnas scratching their junk and adjusting their gloves slowing thingssssss dowwwwwnnnnnnnnnnn. 🥱😴😴😴
I hate baseball, I feel it's up there with bowling and golf as far as interest goes. Hell... I like Curling more than Baseball. But the logic and reasoning shown in this movie, dramatized or not, makes me love this story.
Stealing second is the most ridiculous thing. I played baseball for years and years and despite of the fact that I run really fast and refused to steal bases. Even though my coach wanted me to do it, I always refused, because it is too much risk.
The fact that Peter Brandt was ostracized in Cleveland for voicing his observations says how people generally react to the idea of sociotal or systemic change... Threatened! You don't ostracize someone for being wrong. If they're wrong, you just correct them and explain to them why or how they're wrong. You don't ostracize someone unless you're threatened by how right they are.
Some of this scene is unbelievable. You have the GM and his assistant going over how they want the players to perform in a game. Where's the Manager Art Howe? He should be a part of this conversation or else he's not going to know what the heck is going on during the game. What's he going to do when he gives a steal sign and the base runner stays on 1st? That alone is going to piss off the Manager and not just a little bit.
Because it was all fake. Beane never interacted with players like that. the manager did. Just like when he traded players, the GM will not tell the player, the manager does that as they are the one who has direct interaction with the players. David Justice said the scene where Beane spoke to him about being a leader is fake. Also, Justice will know that the Yankees are paying half of his contract
The way he destroys Justice's ego then builds him back up again is masterful.
Like it's a movie haha
@@andrewb5412not every movie is well written. This one was
"Naaaaaah man, I ain't paying you 7" 😂😂😂
Its a fake scene tho.😂
" before creation there was destruction..." - lord beerus
Dude when Billy says “I hate losing. I hate losing more than I want to win.” That sums me up in anything competitive. I felt that.
Hear that, it’s the feeling of a win being expected, but a loss is due to a personal mistake and infuriating.
But in the postseason, you have to want to win more than being afraid of losing.
@@dialecticalmonist3405Hating to lose and being afraid to lose are two different things.
@@skylaryoung3819sort of like anxiety vs anger. They’re tied at the hip, not mutually exclusive
Cool
I love how, throughout this montage, the ideas are obviously coming from Pete. But Billy is mostly the one communicating. It’s not just about the right method or strategy, those become worthless without effective communication to the players, which is Billy’s gift.
If you were a pro baseball player would you listen to anything from Pete's mouth?
@@GrantCrabe probably not - which is why people who judge by outward appearances so often fail to succeed.
@@GrantCrabe numbers can be a good average, but they can also miss a lot. booth can be useful on the field. when u are in the heat of the moment averages can be good lead too. experience is another thing too
I think about this movie every time people complain about ohtani stroking out it going into a slump. It's a numbers game. Nobody ever promised you a home run every at bat. Look at his numbers. I'm the long run he is a winner.
The movie begins with a quote from Mickey Mantle saying it's amazing how little one knows about the game you have been playing all your life. Then this scene makes so much sense about how it should be played, going back to basics and what should be done in order to win. I love this movie !!!
Many sports have multiple angles to them. Being talented or more technical; bigger, faster, stronger, doesn't always guarantee greater success. Your intelligence & approach to any sport are also part of how good a player you are. People always want to focus on talent, ability & potential, and very rarely look at output.
Very rarely look at output? Looking at output is a major component of the analysis of any process. Including a baseball game. Or season. Or career. There wouldn't be so many resources devoted to sports statistics if a lot of people didn't want to "look at output"
"They're paying you 3.5 million to play againts them", Damn that line goes hard
i feel so stupid that i don't understand what this means? Can you explain?
Well billy said to justice that the Yankees are paying half of his salary, thats what that means
Yankees wanted to essentially get rid of Justice, but probably couldn't trade him because of his massive salary, so instead they traded him for half the salary, continued to pay the other half, just so there's more cap space for other players.
Just read the sign behind Pratt for the first time when talking to "David Justice." "Performance DRIES up," as the last line. Due to the DEHYDRATING of the muscle by 3%. This movie is so insanely intelligent and incredibly written. I "catch" something new each time:)
Don't think it's that deep
@@stanmorris5108 it says it on the sign though 😂
It is so hard to stick with something that does not work immediately. To have patience and hone a system based on faith and conviction is something to be applauded.
" I pay you to get on first, not get thrown out at second."
Literally.
It's bullshit. Way to have faith in your guys' base-stealing ability.
@@tomshea8382well if your guys are consistently getting thrown out then it’s not about “faith” it’s just fact
@@ncb91 I would think if they were getting consistently thrown out it wouldn't even be worth mentioning. It's just a dumb Sorkin one-liner.
@@tomshea8382 it’s 10000% worth mentioning if said player thinks they are there to steal bases
by far the best made sports movie of all time. I never knew anything about baseball. I still dont, but I love every second of this movie. great actors, great story
Shohei Ohtani bring me to baseball, Ngl😅
@@yanchand3603😊
It’s up there for sure. My favorite is probably Miracle, through.
Tbh this movie is Billy Beane propaganda
I wouldn't say best but Its one of my
He's my quantitative
LOOK AT HIS EYES!
He doesnt even speak english
his name’s YANG
He won a national math competition, in - China - - He doesn't even speak ENGLISH
My quant
4:33 “there’s no clock on this thing”
Billy, I’ve got some bad news 😬
Don't get me started about the double switch either.
Billy was talking to the players concerning batting. The clock is on the pitcher, not the batter so Billy is still correct.
The most impressive about this movie is that you don't have to know anything about basketball.
I mean… it’s a baseball movie…
Duh
@@therealneal3034whoosh... Over your head...
@@coldarcticoasis probably. Just making sure he’s joking and not an idiot.
@@coldarcticoasisyou hear this guy? "probably" lol
A *VERY* huge subtlety that goes unnoticed by a lot of people is how Billy respected David enough, that he took heed to the opinion Pete most likely shared with Billy, that David complained about paying for soda in the clubhouse, and then he fleeced the GM of the Tigers to pay for stocking his soda machine so they won't have to pay👍👍
Not shown here, but the greatest scene in the movie is where the scouts are gathered and they’re trying to piece together a team and the oldest guy in the room finally tells everyone that they can give suggestions, but it eventually ends up on Beans shoulders. I think he got what Billy was trying to do
I'm not sure he did, but more importantly, he understood that Billy was in charge, and that Billy had some new fresh ideas to break the A's through the inherently inherently biased system in the majors, and that the rest of the old-timers needed to lose their sense of entitlement and overconfidence
Billy: let the game come to you. There’s no clock on this thing.
2023 Season: hold my beer.
The craziest thing about Billy Bean is HE'S STILL DOING IT. The A's payroll today, in an era where the cheapest teams are paying their players 150 million, is about 45 million, and he still manages to keep them relevant and in contention the majority of the seasons they play.
Imagine if he worked for an owner who actually cared about the team. Imagine if Cohen had bought the A's. If Bean had happened to develop that loyalty to any other franchise we'd talk about him like Brady and Bellichick. There is absolutely no better GM in the game at maximizing value.
Idk they are a bottom 5 team now and fans are just waiting for them to get relocated, so probably not the best example
So relevant they’re moving to Vegas……..
Man, I really like that 3:00 leadership pep talk. 'Cause I've been on both sides of that conversation. Sometimes you've got a shithead boss, but if you're gonna play for a team, you've gotta motivate those coming up. And sometimes I've been that higher up who has to put confidence and motivation into the reluctant new front line supervisor. And both dudes did a good job of communicating those feels.
"It's a process, it's a process, it's a process" is a line I still quote daily when I need to convince an employee to stick with a procedure that doesn't immediately give results.
When does it give results?
5:45 Went from 6 games below .500 to 7 games above .500 in only four weeks by going 18-5. To all the average fans who aren't aware, this is incredibly hard to do in the big leagues.
It's probably the best modern baseball movie made.
Seen this movie 6 times and am kind of a baseball historian nerd. What the movie doesn't tell you, with Zito, Mulder and Hudson on the mound as starters, you didn't need to score a ton of runs.
Tell that to my tigers. Pitching was phenomenal to start the year but they couldn’t hit worth a plum nickel
Also that A’s SS Miguel Tejada was the AL MVP that season, hitting .308 with 34 HR and 131 RBIs 😂
And Chavez
Anyone who has ever played baseball knows what hatterberg means when he says his greatest fear is the ball getting hit at him
Especially since, when you're playing defense, you're no longer in a batting helmet.
Anyone who ever succeeded PRAYED the ball would be hit at them.
I, a baseball ignoramus, love this movie. Friend of mine years ago gave me a book called Fever Pitch, about soccer. He HATES soccer (all sports actually he’s a mathematician) but similarly loved that book. Most memorable chapter is about a guy called Gus Caesar and the way the tale is told translates to all sportsmen. I understand that a lot of Moneyball isn’t factually accurate and I am so so glad that the truth wasn’t allowed to interfere with with a great movie.
Dito!
I took a degree in applied math decades ago. Every one of my stats profs were into baseball
this movie never talked about the MVP on 3rd base and the excellent starting pitching
Because that's not what it's about. The As had some huge holes and not a lot to patch them with; how they did that is the interesting story.
@Moroklumpen the movie surmises that the 100 game win season was only due to the off season moves and not the very good players already on the team. That is why I have an issue with the movie not at least mentioning the existing talent.
@@vdoggydogg3922not mentioned in the movie: Tejada (mvp), Chavez (34 hr 109rbi), Dye( 24hr, 86rbi in 130 games) Zito (cy-young) and Hudson who’s numbers were comparable to Zito. Pretty solid core that any team would sign for.
Buy in is one of the most overlooked aspect of any team’s success. The lack of attention given to training the psychological aspects of sports is astonishing.
"When your enemies making mistakes, don't interrupt him" ~ Napoleon Bonaparte
One of the best Sportsmovies ever with a great message: Nobody's perfect. Embrace your flaws.
5:05 ancient proverb right there
Not ancient, but a Napoleon quote
"But you pay me to steal."
"No, I pay you to get on first, not thrown out at second."
That's actually a really good point.
I love love love how they take a different approach in explaining the overall game plan with each player that best suits them.
Quite simply a masterpiece in how to make a movie.
Brad Pitt really nails this role
Like this movie but people seem to forget or not a single mentioned that this team is still loaded with talent. Starting rotation of Hudson, Zito & Mulder. Position players of Tejada, Chavez & Dye.
I love this movie but the pitch must have been difficult lol. "Yeah so it's a movie about baseball, which a lot of people consider a boring game, but it' mostly focused on spreadsheets and the back offices. Oh and we want everything to be low light, soft colors, no music but lots of office sounds and chatter. Best scene is a bunch of old men arguing in a whitewashed room"
Not really.
The pitch was (probably) “We got Brad Pitt starring and Aaron Sorkin writing…….An American underdog story about the National Pastime.”
You’re framing it all wrong and trying to break the cinematographer’s and director’s balls…….
I love how Chris Pratt's character puts his glove on in the locker room. Low key telegraphing how nervous he is. NOTE: for those of you that have never played baseball, you don't need to actually put your glove on until it's time to field a ball...on the field.
The ironic thing is they got Depodesta (Jonah Hill) from the Cleveland Indians and now he works for the Cleveland Browns .
I love sports not baseball, but this is still one of my favorite sports movies.
Idk about The first strike thing. I always liked taking the first pitch, cause it gave me a feel of the pitcher.
to me baseball was just always winning. I was on a good team my whole life, from little league to highschool. Won every little league championship, minor league we always won the conference and went to state at the very least. My dad was always the coach and from little league to summer ball besides highschool (they wanted him to but he worked too much) would lead us to victory. I miss those days so much, almost feels like a dream or another life its been so long.
I absolutely despise baseball. But F*** I love this movie.
If only they had allstars Miguel Tejada, Eric Chavez, Barry Zito, Marc Mulder, and Tim Hudson to help them......o wait they did
Nah it was the 1st baseman who did it all. If those guys were important they would have been mentioned in the movie.
@@Paul-vf2wlhey, Tim Hudson got a brief mention in a clubhouse scene
Same core got 1 more win while cheaply replacing MVP Giambi, Damon and Isringhausen.
That Yankees comment was ice cold. Knocked his ass WAY off his ego trip.
That comment "there's no clock on this thing" didn't age very well...
Baseball was boring as whale shit prior to the pitch clock.
It was ridiculous.
I genuinely say "It's a process, it's a process, it's a process" to myself weekly
I love baseball movies , Field of Dreams, League of Their Own, Sandlot , how can you not love baseball . I thank God I have had two great experiences in life ,playing baseball , and racing dirt bikes . Lots of others also but those two define my loves.
Roger Staubach hated losing. He didn't consider it as part of the game, he saw it as a failure at his profession.
every scene from this movies gives me the chills i swear. so damn good.
Yo ive never seen this movie. I absolutely have to now. Just the few scenes i was suggested have blown me away
Did you watch it?
Love the guy playing Justice. This is a great scene.
As a Man Utd fan ,there is zero doubt in my mind ,that Arsenal's Mikel Arteta ,took a massive amount of inspiration from this story.
One of the inconsistencies of this movie is that there was no actual hostility between Billy Beane and David Justice. Beane and Justice were united and Justice already knew how to be a leader and didn’t need to be told.
Where can i watch this movie!?
On Netflix right now. Love this movie! “How can you not be romantic about baseball?”
David Justice was amazing in this.
Well, it wasn't the real David Justice; it was a different guy who was an actor and former ballplayer, but yes.
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Can’t wait till part 2 comes out. When they actually win something.
Moneyball is just one of those movies I end up watching once a year
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"There's no clock on this thing. This is a war of attrition"
I miss Baseball.
The pitch clock helped save baseball.
Turned a 4 hour game into 2.5.
Bunch of superstitious prima donnas scratching their junk and adjusting their gloves slowing thingssssss dowwwwwnnnnnnnnnnn. 🥱😴😴😴
You miss a pitcher adjusting his hat for 30 seconds between every pitch? No thanks
@@koalabrownie yeah if that's what it takes to get his best performance.
Or if he's just doing to piss off the batter... All good
Scotty H how you liking first base
This movie taught me everything I know about lacrosse.
why am I addicted to this movie?
Because it's one of the best baseball movies ever.
I think the score is what puts it over the top
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Scottie H! Picking machine!
Fantastic writing!!!!
If you like sports
If you like good movies
This is it!!
Arsene Wenger as well ❤
One of the best movies ever
With all these Moneyball videos I’m watching on YT, one would think I should just watch the movie.
I hate baseball, I feel it's up there with bowling and golf as far as interest goes. Hell... I like Curling more than Baseball. But the logic and reasoning shown in this movie, dramatized or not, makes me love this story.
"I pay you to get on 1st, not to get thrown out at 2nd"
Great movie.
"That's what the Yankees think of you. They're paying you $3.5 million to play AGAINST them"
Ego busted
Shout out to the reference of Baseball being called “The Show”
Stealing second is the most ridiculous thing. I played baseball for years and years and despite of the fact that I run really fast and refused to steal bases. Even though my coach wanted me to do it, I always refused, because it is too much risk.
Imagine getting to jog around the outfield every day during your lunch break.
I would love it.
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how can ya not be romantic about baseball
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I love this movie
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such a good movie
Nice,
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The fact that Peter Brandt was ostracized in Cleveland for voicing his observations says how people generally react to the idea of sociotal or systemic change... Threatened! You don't ostracize someone for being wrong. If they're wrong, you just correct them and explain to them why or how they're wrong. You don't ostracize someone unless you're threatened by how right they are.
Keep Hattieberg away from the Pit! He’ll fall in and break his legs. 😂
Brad Pitts best acting performance
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Know that
And sky is so owned that people drift away.
Or hockey .... !
Some of this scene is unbelievable. You have the GM and his assistant going over how they want the players to perform in a game. Where's the Manager Art Howe? He should be a part of this conversation or else he's not going to know what the heck is going on during the game. What's he going to do when he gives a steal sign and the base runner stays on 1st? That alone is going to piss off the Manager and not just a little bit.
Because it was all fake. Beane never interacted with players like that. the manager did. Just like when he traded players, the GM will not tell the player, the manager does that as they are the one who has direct interaction with the players.
David Justice said the scene where Beane spoke to him about being a leader is fake. Also, Justice will know that the Yankees are paying half of his contract
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My favorite part of this movie is when it reminds me that at one point the Mariners could hold a 1st place lead in the division standings 😂
One outs?
4:33 welp
heh, a known problem. The League knew the games were too long, the teams knew that taking their time was in their best interest.
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Pete should had gotten the Boston job 😂
Something goes wrong in the sky around you & you can't hit. It's such a stop in throat that you can't even share.
David said in a interview that this conversation never happened