LMFAO I love how all the clowns, despite you showing complete evidence of Boruto being at least solar system, are still claiming that “Gohan stomps him! Boruto only planet-star!” 🤡🤡🤡 At least watch the f***ing video before addressing the scaling. It ain’t that hard…
@@yashkambli5208 are you slow, all gohans has to do is blow up the frigging planet, problem solved matter a fact unleash a planet shattering kamehameha, on him, and its over, their durability is shit, getting your ass a god defeated by a rasengan is weak.
Dang this was a great video, thankfully Boruto wasn't downplayed you did a great job of scaling him. But I would like to say that there are more consistent metas to get Gohan a quite a bit higher than baseline multi-solar to uni (If you are fine with those uni metas) especially coupled with Hyperspaces canonically existing in DBZ space. But for the Solar To Galactic ranges You can even take things like Namek/planet vegeta having multiple stars shown to be visibly smaller than the planets in comparison to other shots of earth and other planets where you don't see the stars. You can also use things like nameks explosion leaving a hole in space with no stars or nebulae shown in the area much like that one thing Saitama did or even the spirit bomb which came from countless stars and planets from across the whole universe.
Seeing as borutos the strongest in his verse as a Shinobi... Yea boruto also is gonna become a spectra like character by the end, existing in all time and space at once type shit
@@PuffPuffPass123Thats if Kishimoto decides to make him fight or team up with Shibai which would be cool to see . But uk how Kishimoto is , he just doesn't do a lot of stuff with these type of characters like Hagoromo .
@@yashkambli5208 I think the way kishimoto is going he is probably going to have boruto evolve into shibai, you know like a paradox? Where shibai has existed throughout all time and space and boruto was his begining form, which he will evolve from in the end of the show
@@PuffPuffPass123 Brooooo . I never thought of it like that . If Kishimoto decides to go this route , it would be awesome asf but I still doubt it cuz its still called Two Blue Vortex which would either mean Boruto and Kawaki or the fate that Boruto has to fight where Momoshiki claimed that Boruto would be robbed of everything . But yes , what u said is really really cool to see happen.
@@yashkambli5208 yea I still want all of what you mentioned to happen, and it could still, it's just that when shit gets too bad like say, boruto and kawaki beat the shinju (divine tree) it's after they have destroyed most of the world and villagers, meaning the divine tree bares a fruit and everyone on earth besides the last two otsutsuski "boruto and kawaki" are dead , which kawaki doesn't care about and still tries to kill boruto which results in their final fight where boruto wins either killing kawaki or subdueing him, but either way once the battle is done boruto sees no other option but to eat the chakra fruit gaining all of its powers which is confirmed to have all of the chakra signatures of all beings in the world, dead or alive, so Naruto with sixpaths, Sasuke with rinnegan, Madara with ten tails, kaguya and momoshiki, and millions of other types of powers would combine into a singular chakra fruit so if boruto eats it chances are he brings everyone including an unnerfed Naruto and Sasuke, but at the cost of borutos humanity he has to take shibai spot
@Averagespidarenjoyer-lr5sjsure, dragonball goku is already relative to light speeds, making the sayian saga FTL easily, and namek saga FTL+ easily, therefore cell saga should be MFTL+
This video is stupid, teen gohan wins every fight between these two simply because teen gohan has shown that he grows in power whenever he gets angry enough. You said boruto could stop time but in dbz its shown that dimensions can be broken with power, which negates stopping time. And eventhough we are just talking about teen gohan, we can see just how absolute this ability of gohan is by his recent beast transformation in dbs. Gohan doesnt train anymore and he is now most likely atleast in the realm of power of ultra instinct/ultra ego because of simply getting angry.
@@Kenos347how? Goku would literally have to pull off the same destruction that he Vegeta and Brolly did in order to even start the fight.. seeing as shibai isn't in the realm they would be in they'd have to find him while hes allowed to do whatever he wants while they are looking for someone who's able to attack through time and space like he's not even existing
Its incredible to me how we have characters in Naruto and Boruto creating dimension with multiple planets, moons and stars in them and yet some people scale Naruto characters at best to like planet or Star 😭, if it was any other shonen people wouldn’t have any problem but because it’s Naruto some people just can’t get them self to saying the top tiers in Naruto and Boruto should be at least Solar System, but I’m glad more power scalers are starting to notice this and scale them to this levels. W vid I like both Boruto and Gohan but I definitely think Boruto isn’t still at the level of Gohan.
Ahh here we go again Creation doesn't equate to thier physical stats Unless it is stated It is just pure hax If it really equate to physical stats As naruto fans claims saying chakra =physical stats then I don't even know why the characters use attacks Like rasengan and chidori As it is useless unless its for some long range attacks And about character destroying stars by absorbing its energy Again it doesn't scale to their physical stats unless it is stated Simple examples is Just because i got an ability to absorb something doesn't equate to to my physical stats We got people out here eating rocks Metal yet they physically can't punch through metal or rock So unless it is stated that it equals to physical stats or the context or the story supports it That thing scale to no where Now for gohan scaling He was splitting apart cell jr And that same cell jr That slamed trained ssj goku The same goku that slamed 100% frieza That same frieza that whos power was stated to transcendent in 3rd form And was stated to be be able to destroy universe Supported by the fact he tanked an universal spirit bomb Supported by the fact that toriyama didn't disagree with interviewer when they said frieza is capable of destroying universe in an blink of an eye Supported by the fact that whis mentions that once frieza was threatening to destroy the universe That would scale Low ball gohan to high universal About speed As stated power = speed Perfect cell battle power was infinite Then he got a power up on to of that Cell was so fast that goku wasn't even able to keep up with him using instant transmission When he shot his kamehame ha Goku used teleportation and before goku even teleported behind Cell kamehame ha already managed to reached to outer space So now we know that even time stop ain't doing nothing And about cell statement of having enough ki to destroy solar system He didn't say he doesn't have more Plus we dont know how he is capable of destroying solar system As in dragon ball the planet moons Destruction feats are done so violently That the feats were calculated to be dwarf star lvl and large planet lvl Plus Gohan and cell were constantly increasing energy out put in that beam struggle so that alone Debunks the argument of cell solar system statement So in conclusion It doesn't matter whether you high ball or low ball these characters Gohan at cell sage speed blitzs Naruto and Boruto verse in 0 second
Aye Jojo scaling is actually pretty good. For example dio can be scaled from ftl-mftl speeds using his time stop scaling (assuming you believe he’s able to resist his own time stop and isn’t just like immune to its effects or something).
Hey Tempest, Where would you scale Nerfed Adult Naruto? I’ve heard takes of him now capping at multi-continental but I disagree. I think Nerfed Naruto is still planetary.
Ik u were asking the question to Tempest but I would like to say my part on this . I got a multiplier for SPSM to be like 200,000 base . Itight be wrong but I got this by the SM being 10x boost and KCM2 being like a 15 to 50x boost off of base , so KCM2+SM would be 150 to 500x boost and then Naruto does all this in only SM against Madara and even does better , so it would be like 300x to 1000x boost and then stacking KCM would be 45000x to 500,000x boost off of base . But it might be wrong cuz I am a bit new to power scaling and stuff . And if we go by Moon level Toneri being 1 shotted by base Naruto , we can get him to Large Planetary to Dwarf Star level in SPSM . So , Naruto without Kurama would most likely be Moon to Small Planetary .
Adult Naruto without Kurama will still be Planatery just by sage mode. Why do I say so? Simple because Naruto is stronger than Sakura and Sakura by Boruto era is planatery
WAIT WHAT!? DBZ earth is actually bigger than IRL earth? I was always under the impression that DBZ earth was as big as IRL earth, but geography was just different, my mind has just been blown
Even though i agree that Gohan stomps, the 4 billion radius is false as it says 4 billion kilometers away from earth not radius. It never mentions earth size but a distance
@Averagespidarenjoyer-lr5sj nah man was absorbing Naruto chakra for a good minute and after he fused he got a boost. If he had enough chakra to make his own dimension by copying and paste. He have no excuse to not be able to stop time for a few seconds. Specifically if madara ems ability is rewinding time and madara far below him. Yeah no excuse
@Averagespidarenjoyer-lr5sj people get jump in Naruto all the time no excuses. He is able to keep up with Naruto and Sasuke and react yet he never thought to do it. If he can during that time. Like if we was momoshiki and we can stop time. We doing it on site but he didn't lmao
@@yudasrain4774 you must not had read my comment. If momoshiki had this ability beforehand died why he didn't use it. He could have activated at the Start or after he fused.
It's obvious gohan will win but it's gonna be a tricky battle for gohan (((in my opinion))) boruto has jougan he can find an opponent weak spot he can travel thru dimension with jougan and karma. so even if kid gohan can blow up the planet he can simply teleport to a different dimension he can track opponents movements with jougan yes ik gohan will be to fast for him he can sense hidden barriers and has sensory abilities. he can see and here people in others dimensions he has future sight so he can if gohan about to an crazy attack if gohan decides to do the finishing blow he can stop time at the last second and have momoshiki take over. he has flying ryijin can instantly teleport anywhere he marked or any of his weapons he throws and he has it marked on all his weapons and he has rasengan uzuhiko which is a planetary attack so if he could ever hit him with it which i think he can because wind start surrounding boruto once that wind get in contact his enemy the wind wraps around the enemy and it disables them from moving once he is hit with it gohan will be infinitely dizzy rasengan uzuhiko it causes pain throughout the whole body and a strong sensation and disorientation until death it uses the planets rotation so the person thats hit with it receives the full force of the planets rotation in there body so if he hits go kid gohan with it and kid gohan still 1 shots atleast he did some damage to gohan as a matter a fact the attack will eventually kill him just slowly. and he has karma to absorb any blast attack i might be wrong with that but yall don't believe anything I said read the manga and if you mention adult gohan your an idiot. btw boruto 100% otsutsuki making him a full alien not and half breed
Gohan during the Cell Games is not a teenager. Boruto is technically not a half-breed anymore since his genes were completely overwritten. Sasuke's speculation about being stronger than Kaguya was before he met Kinshiki, during Naruto Gaiden, not after. The red-shift is not in Momoshiki's dimension. It is actually a random planet out in space that Momoshiki either consumed in the novelization, or was using as a Shinju seed-bed in the anime. That Slump statement seems to be referred to the distance from an object from Earth, not Earth's size itself. Planet Vegeta's size in comparison to Earth is never given clearly. The Solar System statement is referring to the fact that the Solar System is located in a greater nebula, not that it is one. The time range for Piccolo destroying the Moon is not clear in the manga since its destruction is actually off-panel (it starts glowing in one panel and is missing in the next). The anime is not exactly a reliable metric for speed given dramatic timing. I think when Toriyama wrote solar system he just meant solar system meanwhile Kaguya on her own is comparable to that level of power if not greater by erasing a solar-system sized time-space, and Boruto is many levels up from that.
for the slump statement it is clac to be solar system with context on that scene and planet vegeta has 2 red suns orbiting it for the solar system statement it says that it is a galactic nebula not just this garlic jr can make sueprspaces that are 5D 3rd form frieza has been stated to be higher dimensional making him 6D at lowball
Okay, props to you for staying true to authors intentions. You don't see that very much anymore. People used to have somewhat fair scales but now every verse is outer-versal because of a hax ability. The sad part is it only applies to verses they like. For example, in One Piece, there's a character who creates multiple infinite dimensions but he's fodder and almost nobody thinks he's universal(Which he isn't) but when it happens in Naruto or any other verse, they're scaled to universal to multi-versal. I do disagree with Solar Kaguya as it was an amped attack and the actual translation says space, and not time-space. As for Dragon ball fans, they have good feats, but they make lower characters seem stronger than they really are by using anime-only statements like Namek Saga frieza or perfect cell can destroy the universe. I'm aware there are guides that also say they can but how accurate are those guides? Even the Daizenshuu gets retconned. All fandoms are guilty of it, but they tend to ignore context to make characters seem stronger than they are. I'm not a fan of this because when weaker characters are highballed to an extreme, it makes it look like the higher characters in the verse are not that impressive. For example if SSJ Namek is this universal level fighter, why should I be impressed at Buuhan for almost destroying the universe? Why is Cell destroying the solar system impressive? Clearly Solar System Cell was the intention of the writer but anything above that is speculation.
@@phantomrogue7894 for universal frieza its good to use do to garlic jr superspaces translations and superspaces are 5D and for the diaizenshuu its Shueisha meaning its canon with the canon fiction statement on Wikipedia
@@lantzcranford But Garlic Jr isn't in the manga and is non-canon to the main timeline. You're right, the Daizenshuu is an official source but the thing is it gets contradicted by newer information. The best thing you can do is accept what hasn't been contradicted by newer information like SSJ being a 50 times multiplier. So I don't think the Daizenshuu is a bad source as a whole but I think people should be cautious when they look at it.
I'm curious about whether Boruto learned how to possess bodies, Sasuke should have the knowledge from Orochimaru when he possessed him. Then you have Boruto having a body-invading alien god that could teach him how to or he could do it himself in case Boruto dies, and he needs a new body. (his race can absorb/fuse with each other, feed each other to the 10 tails just to be absorbed, yet they can bring them back somehow.)
This feels disingenuous, like i know dragon fandom are a bunch of wankers 75% of the time, but like frieza saga characters in DB literally slap naruto, teen gohan literally fights someone capable of blowing up the universe or so says the sources lol. Nothing in naruto scales to that degree
Geat video I was waiting for it For Cell saying he has infinite power for his perfect form, Toneri also saying the same thing to Hinata, that the Tenseigan has infinite power and Toneri is stated to be stronger than her, while Kaguya can nuke a entire time space with several stars. And Base The last Naruto litteraly one shot Toneri, yes Toneri the same guy who's saying he has infinite power with the Tenseigan and was stated in the movie to be stronger than Kaguya.. And Kid Borushiki is stronger than The Last Naruto who's clapped Toneri with one punch. So yeah you can scale both ssj2 Gohan and kid Borushiki with wank at high Universal. I think Kid Borushiki win cuz he has too much hax and he has better durability than teen ssj2 gohan. Renember when teen so6p naruto can tank a TSO who can completely eradicate you from reality with your soul which this is beyond anything than DBZ's characters can do. This kind of attack starting with the appearance of Beerus and his hakai eradication technique. So Kid Borushiki take Durability, and for strength it could be ether way for both of the two. For speed gohan could probably take it but not that far. And after that Kid Borushiki take all like IQ, BIQ, combat Experience, Abilitie, Hax.. So..: Borushiki, Ssj2 Gohan: *Strengh* Ssj2 Gohan: *Speed* Kid Borushiki: *Durability* Kid Borushiki: *IQ, BIQ* Kid Borushiki: *Experience* Kid Borushiki: *Abilitie + Hax* Kid Borushiki,Ssj2 Gohan: *AP, DC*
At first when i read your comment, I was saying "Toneri really said that?" But I just checked it, and tbh if the Tenseigan has infinite power and Toneri is above Kaguya who can destroy a time space with planets, moons and stars, that scale current base Boruto way above Universal level. But I agree with what you said.
IMO I also think Borushiki wins as well at High Difficulty at best due to more abilities, hax, better experience, and Durability- But Gohan could possibly outmaneuver a whole lot of his attacks and tank some of them- but yeah.The fights pretty close and I can see it as a 50/50 fight for either of them.
Kawai can move in a timeless dimension, giving him infinite speed. Boruto is relative to Kawaki. Boruto has all the time in the world to dodge Gohan's attacks (blood lusted or not) effortlessly.
@@DeussEx by that logic base Goku in the matal cooler movie had achieved speed faster than even instant transmission, that was a base Goku and since ssj2 is far ahead of him he should also scale to this (also his name is kawaki not kawai)
@@DeussEx moving in a timeless void doesnt scaling anywhere, speed=distance/time, if time doesn't exist, it becomes non applicable, its a nothing feat. And clearly the users of that dimension that posses the dojutsu get immunity to it. Unless you want to argue kawaki is infinitely faster than narutos strongest form in base??? Yeah i dont think so, it just doesn't scale.
Gohan is probably Galaxy to multi-Galaxy (Possibly lowbal even as vrazy as that sounds because Goku bloked Trunks sword with a finger), since in ep 106 of Db it showed what the explosion of Namek did, and it basically showed The star and everything but at the Center of the screen it showed a void even kaio said ''there is only the empty vacuum of space'' or something like that. so yea. Teen Gohan at lowball is probably Mult-Galaxy level.
I mean this isn't a debate Gohan does one shot 🤣 a heavily wounded SSJ 2 One armed Gohan overwhelmed perfect cell who's solar Kamehameha threatened to destroy the solar system.
@@Tempest1018you already know that boruto destroys gohan you only saying that shit just to piss people off Gohan does not even solo Naruto not even close or boruto to say the least he barely struggled against cell and Goku had to give him a sense of being or to get him out of the headlock that cell put him in he and his perfect form dude shut up you the most stupid power scale I've ever seen
@@Tempest1018does it matter I've already saw the end of this video and you are the most idiots I've never seen y'all really that bias you have to wait Dragon Ball and downplay Naruto characters you have no right to cry and call anybody bias
@@Tempest1018boruto if he wanted instead of stopping time like his battle with code he can just absorb Gohan's power if you want it think about it what's the point of you making this video you and toaster XD doesn't even know shit you guys are talking about anyway y'all bias Dragon Ball fans get to the point
@@Nurrlmao hi dude I reply to my comment cause it keeps disappearing when I don’t I figured it was a glitch I am working to fix that thx for commenting:)
ah mb, ye its a glitch wher because of how much youtube is processing it takes some time for it to register when new stuff is posted/deleted@@Therobloxprince123
garlic jr can make superspaces that are 5D get it right for once and 3rd form frieza is higher dimensionality then garlic jr making a low balled gohan 6-7D
so no not close even if you want to wank boruto to his 5D scaling he gets shited on by gohan and this is not even going in to how cell through hell giving gohan infinite speed
With all due respect, I agree with Gohan winning but the naruto-verse is not that strong. First of all, the naruto-verse needs mistranslations and contradictory statements to get to Solar System level and above. Second, Kaguya's Dimension refers to the planet, and does not include the stars. She was never going to destroy a time space, just the space aka the planet. Also nobody actually scales to the Truth Seeker orb from Kaguya. For one, it's a long charge up time and two, it was an amped up attack that Kaguya could only do by using the Chakra from the other shinobis. Naruto and co didn't overpower the Truth seeker orb, they went around it. Scaling based on the truth seeker orb is the equivalent of scaling pre-SSJ Namek Goku to the spirit bomb. The argument that all chakra belongs to Kaguya doesn't work either since obviously more people were born since she was sealed. Imo Naruto caps at planetary and possibly star level if we highball. Even the Otsutsuki have to many durability anti-feats to the point where they consistently take damage from weak attacks so clearly their AP doesn't equal their durability. I get verse equalization but it's still important to remember that ki and chakra work differently. In Naruto/Boruto, a character can have the power to wipe out a city but their durability might be only wall level while in Dragon Ball, a character's stats mostly match. For example, a character will be as strong as they are durable or at least all their stats will be relative to each other. I respect your opinion and obviously everyone is going to scale things differently. I just disagree and that's it. Edit: Also I'm pretty sure the destroying the star feat was actually a planet if I remember correctly and Momoshiki didn't destroy it by blowing it up, he absorbed it the same way they always did, by planting a tree. Also there's no evidence that Momoshiki created the dimension with the Redshift Nubula. The dimension that he fought Naruto and Sasuke in is different from the dimension with the Redshift Nebula.
@@bootlegspinjutsu9966 We're both probably going to get raided by Naruto fans using faulty mistranslations of light novels while ignoring the context but you aren't wrong. In the same way people scale Naruto to solar system-universal, you can get any verse to that level or higher. That's why I usually hate creation feats when discussing fictional debates. Yeah, I'm aware that if you have the energy to create something, you should be able to destroy it but that's real life. In fiction, things aren't that clear. How many fictional characters can create universe sized dimensions but can still be one-tapped by humans and have human level ap? That's why I ALWAYS take creation feats with a grain of salt regardless of the verse.
@@phantomrogue7894This channel is full of Narutards. We're getting jumped soon. I'm debating with someone who thinks Sasuke outskills all of DB barring master roshi, when even Krillin has shown better skill feats than Naruto. It's crazy
I agree, I think people forget that there are different sizes when it comes to dimensions anyway. Like an Earth-Sized Dimension for an example or a Star Sized Dimension.
@@SonZackSSJ9k I know right? One Piece is my favorite anime of all time but I don't go around telling people Luffy is multiversal for being stronger than Charlotte Mont D'or, the guy who can create multiple dimensions which were stated to be infinite. I only ever brought it up if people tried to scale through creation feats but I consistently say it doesn't work. Whenever I scale characters, I always look at the authors intent instead of scaling characters higher due to technicalities that the author probably didn't think of.
Even if we grant the 4D Boruto wank. Namek arc Goku threw a spirit bomb with energy from the entire universe at Frieza and Frieza still survived it. The spirit bomb would scale bellow even Full Power Frieza and Goku. Piccolo later on goes to tell the Z fighters to not even bother coming if they can't even take on Frieza and Goku with 3 years of training being stated to Transcend these Z fighters making him at least 5D. Piccolo calls this Goku weak and would later on confront Shin, Shin is stated in El Manga Legendario to be on the same level as Cell Games Goku, Shin is also stated to Transcend piccolo in terms of powee making him and by extension Cell Games Goku 6D. Gohan even as a mere super saiyan scales above Cell Games Goku and as a SSJ2 massively more powerful seeing as he didn't just unlock SSJ2 but also got a rage boost as well making him far higher than baseline 6D. In terms of speed. The space ship in Namek was able to cross the universe in finite time, making its speed infinite, King kai was able to keep up with this ship yet wasn't able to keep up with SSJ Goku fighting Frieza making them infinite speed by extension Gohan would massively upscale from this as he is vastly stronger than Namek Goku and Frieza. Even if Boruto stops time Gohan is still slapping him.
I guess the power scailing community has gone down bad why you even make them fight gohan was solar system level with one blast 💥 Bourto just got a lil planetary feat how can you even compare the two and I ain’t even watch the vid correct me if I’m wrong
At first I was confused and then I realized that you're the guy that thinks Naruto's universal so and despite how everything you just said it can be debunk'd the Highest you can get any Naruto character Is basically star and with a little bit of wank darwf. But good video
@@DrUmar-gu4kp first of all do you know how early it is I'm not going to go over an argument against a character who is high solar system against the character that large star or could possibly be low solar system. I'm good
@@Keith_Norman “possibly be low solar” mans has never picked up a single chapter of late Naruto or boruto in his life. Kaguya and Momoshiki easily solidify any solar system scaling for Naruto characters (not even trying to argue that they scale much higher, just that solar is extremely consistent atp and acting like it’s some bs wank is just ignorant).
@@bootlegspinjutsu9966 namek gohan was hanging with 2nd form Frieza for a lil with his rage amp I don’t see anybody in boruto even touching 1st form frieza
@@SaiyajinJayWell, off a scaling chain, Vegeta casually blew up three planets pre Goku fight in the Saiyan Saga with a vastly lower power level, Frieza in first form is literally thousands of times stronger than that Vegeta.... If you think about it, yeah... Namek Gohan actually stomps pretty badly.
Buddy anime gohan would casualky scale above universal+ scaling from namek saga frieza. You low ball dbz too much my guy. Do take namek scalings to scale gohan. Hes far above uni+. So yes gohan from cell saga do solo boruto and verse.
@@Tobey-4671you have to have watched the video on mute then. He gave the receipts, just cause it's not as known about or accepted as much as Goku doesn't mean it's wrong
Yow yow yow i now your talking about 12 year old gohan super syian 2 right if you're talking about super gohan how an what took you to think its close if its super its bot but if its 12 year old gohan not 18 boruto 50/50
Фриза во второй фооме мог уничтожить всеоенную, Селл мог уничтожить всеоенную в своей Идальной форме, Гохан их сильнее. В Наруто персонажи максимум могут уничтожить звезду. Да и как персонаж Гохан прораьотаннее чем Боруто.
Tbh Naruto Series Scales more To The One punch man Verse Cause I Dont see How Any Naruto can beat Cosmic fear Garou or Saitama ion even see boruto Beating Boros
@Oreo_166 maybe Boros was a stretch but Boruto Definitely Not çosmic fear Garou level I scale That Garou too Solar System or multi Solar System So how is boruto that level
@@CVVLin As explained in this video, Boruto scales to Momoshiki who can create dimensions filled with several stars in them. He’s definitely at least solar system level as well.
@@CVVLin Boros is like FTL at best. Boruto by the end of part I easily scales MANY times above Shippuden mid-high tiers who have multiple, consistent showings of that same level of speed…
In the Shonen jump manga translations kaguyas dimensions are defined as alternate time-spaces by Hagaromo, Sasuke, obito, and kakashi. Idc what nobody says it’s directly stated in the manga multiple times, she is at least universal whether yall like it or not. It’s not wank it’s literally in the manga and Boruto era villains confirm the scaling by their basic feats too btw Edit: not saying gohan wouldn’t win but people gotta stop downplaying the Naruto verse!
There's no proof that they scale to universes or have any significant size. The Naruto verse needs to stop getting wanked with featless characters and NLF hax.
@@bootlegspinjutsu9966 serious question how do you fit an entire universe in most panels? Do you think the author called them alternate time-spaces for his health??? By your logic goku isn’t planetary because he’s never destroyed a planet, let alone a universe. See how dumb you sound?
Strength Teen gohan: solar-multi solar due to scaling to cell who could destroy the solar system which potentially could be much larger than ours. And theres also friezas deathball that he threw at namek creating enough light to cover a good chunk of a galaxy but thats an anime only feat so its debatable how reliable that feat is to scale teen gohan. mabye high universal with wank if you take cell having infinite power literally. Boruto: large planetary-solar depending on how big you think kaguyas dimensions are. Mabye universal+ with wank using the highballed scaling shown in this video. Speed: Teen Gohan: hundreds of trillions of times ftl atleast due to just how much he scales above namek goku who went faster than king kai could track despite king kai keeping track of a space ship which traveled to a planet on the other side of the universe in a week which is slightly above 4 trillion times ftl. Boruto: thousands-tens of thousands of times ftl considering just how much he upscales from war arc characters who even the weaker ones like the 5 kage are already lightspeed.
Dbz are just powerful characters. They don’t really have much skill though. As a heavy DbZ fan. We know Gohan would win. But I would much rather watch Naruto and Boruto fights.
What the fuck is this garbage take? Goku mastered martial arts far beyond our world's comprehension midway through Z. Teen Gohan fought a Cell that had the combat data of every current Z fighter, INCLUDING THAT GOKU. Gohan has shown more skill feats than all of Boruto.
@@bootlegspinjutsu9966 Not an L take actually. Doesn’t matter how many martial arts goku knows if every single fight is nothing more than a contest to see who punches the hardest.
@@DrUmar-gu4kpActually watch DB please. Goku vs Cell, Goku vs Majin Vegeta, DBS Broly, all of those have phenomonal choreography. Goku is a far more skilled fighter than anyone in the Naruto verse, hell even Baki is more skilled than Naruto. Gohan far surpasses Boruto in skill by a million miles.
@@bootlegspinjutsu9966 Yeah “choreography” doesn’t equal skill lol. Naruto easily has better hand to hand choreography and again name me a single fight in DBZ and especially super where gokus martial arts skill mattered. Oh right you can’t lol cause dragon ball only cares about power levels.
Since both are pretty easy Solar System what matters is speed. DB speed gets crazy post Cell Saga so currently Boruto would be able to keepup. Plus Boruto has better Hax Abilities BIQ and Combat Skill
LMFAO I love how all the clowns, despite you showing complete evidence of Boruto being at least solar system, are still claiming that “Gohan stomps him! Boruto only planet-star!” 🤡🤡🤡
At least watch the f***ing video before addressing the scaling. It ain’t that hard…
Gohan beast alone is enough to neg the verse
@@Michojune Bro really think Beast Gohan was featured here… 🤡🤡🤡
@@MichojuneAre you slow ?
@@yashkambli5208 are you slow, all gohans has to do is blow up the frigging planet, problem solved matter a fact unleash a planet shattering kamehameha, on him, and its over, their durability is shit, getting your ass a god defeated by a rasengan is weak.
@@MichojuneIt's dbz ssj2 gohan you stupid
Dang this was a great video, thankfully Boruto wasn't downplayed you did a great job of scaling him.
But I would like to say that there are more consistent metas to get Gohan a quite a bit higher than baseline multi-solar to uni (If you are fine with those uni metas) especially coupled with Hyperspaces canonically existing in DBZ space. But for the Solar To Galactic ranges You can even take things like Namek/planet vegeta having multiple stars shown to be visibly smaller than the planets in comparison to other shots of earth and other planets where you don't see the stars. You can also use things like nameks explosion leaving a hole in space with no stars or nebulae shown in the area much like that one thing Saitama did or even the spirit bomb which came from countless stars and planets from across the whole universe.
We already know what a fight between their dads is like, this was never a contest
Seeing as borutos the strongest in his verse as a Shinobi... Yea boruto also is gonna become a spectra like character by the end, existing in all time and space at once type shit
@@PuffPuffPass123Thats if Kishimoto decides to make him fight or team up with Shibai which would be cool to see .
But uk how Kishimoto is , he just doesn't do a lot of stuff with these type of characters like Hagoromo .
@@yashkambli5208 I think the way kishimoto is going he is probably going to have boruto evolve into shibai, you know like a paradox? Where shibai has existed throughout all time and space and boruto was his begining form, which he will evolve from in the end of the show
@@PuffPuffPass123 Brooooo .
I never thought of it like that . If Kishimoto decides to go this route , it would be awesome asf but I still doubt it cuz its still called Two Blue Vortex which would either mean Boruto and Kawaki or the fate that Boruto has to fight where Momoshiki claimed that Boruto would be robbed of everything .
But yes , what u said is really really cool to see happen.
@@yashkambli5208 yea I still want all of what you mentioned to happen, and it could still, it's just that when shit gets too bad like say, boruto and kawaki beat the shinju (divine tree) it's after they have destroyed most of the world and villagers, meaning the divine tree bares a fruit and everyone on earth besides the last two otsutsuski "boruto and kawaki" are dead , which kawaki doesn't care about and still tries to kill boruto which results in their final fight where boruto wins either killing kawaki or subdueing him, but either way once the battle is done boruto sees no other option but to eat the chakra fruit gaining all of its powers which is confirmed to have all of the chakra signatures of all beings in the world, dead or alive, so Naruto with sixpaths, Sasuke with rinnegan, Madara with ten tails, kaguya and momoshiki, and millions of other types of powers would combine into a singular chakra fruit so if boruto eats it chances are he brings everyone including an unnerfed Naruto and Sasuke, but at the cost of borutos humanity he has to take shibai spot
Goated video🔥
Next video goku vs wukong
Wouldn’t even be a fight…
@@bitviper3430it would be a slaughter 💀
Damn a slaughter wukong would decimate his son (no pun intended) so brutally goku might give up fighting
Goku will get obliterated
Damn at 1:03 he shut me up and I just enjoyed to video for the effort and work good job 👍
Dbz speed scaling is leagues above naruto’s, boruto doesnt really stand much of a chance
@Averagespidarenjoyer-lr5sjsure, dragonball goku is already relative to light speeds, making the sayian saga FTL easily, and namek saga FTL+ easily, therefore cell saga should be MFTL+
@Averagespidarenjoyer-lr5sj well goku in dragonball did training that was dodging lightning
@Averagespidarenjoyer-lr5sjthe return stroke of lightning can reach 1/3 of light speed, can we skip to the the main course
@@drememe6185so what, fatigue kid kakashi was also able to do that, can we skip to the main course
@Averagespidarenjoyer-lr5sjCharacters in early db where shown dodging and avoiding Light based attacks and being fast enough to create after images.
This video is stupid, teen gohan wins every fight between these two simply because teen gohan has shown that he grows in power whenever he gets angry enough. You said boruto could stop time but in dbz its shown that dimensions can be broken with power, which negates stopping time. And eventhough we are just talking about teen gohan, we can see just how absolute this ability of gohan is by his recent beast transformation in dbs. Gohan doesnt train anymore and he is now most likely atleast in the realm of power of ultra instinct/ultra ego because of simply getting angry.
Exactly
Exactly, these scales of Boruto are too generous. Gohan one taps + outscales the verse.
@@bootlegspinjutsu9966Debunk the scales then if they’re “too generous”
@@DrUmar-gu4kpIt would take too long and I've already done it before.
gohan is train bro but in secret but not train this much in moro arc he is training to and in current arc he is also train with piccolo in secret
This is looking good. Having finished the video, the Shibai vs the Big 3 video is going to likely be amazing.
It depends, against the entire Big 3 verses???Hell naw he gets stomped.Or against the MC's?
just the mcs@@Kenos347
We don't know yet@@Kenos347
@@Kenos347how? Goku would literally have to pull off the same destruction that he Vegeta and Brolly did in order to even start the fight.. seeing as shibai isn't in the realm they would be in they'd have to find him while hes allowed to do whatever he wants while they are looking for someone who's able to attack through time and space like he's not even existing
Goku destroys shibai @@PuffPuffPass123
Its incredible to me how we have characters in Naruto and Boruto creating dimension with multiple planets, moons and stars in them and yet some people scale Naruto characters at best to like planet or Star 😭, if it was any other shonen people wouldn’t have any problem but because it’s Naruto some people just can’t get them self to saying the top tiers in Naruto and Boruto should be at least Solar System, but I’m glad more power scalers are starting to notice this and scale them to this levels. W vid I like both Boruto and Gohan but I definitely think Boruto isn’t still at the level of Gohan.
@Averagespidarenjoyer-lr5sjexactly
@Averagespidarenjoyer-lr5sjKeep dreaming 🙂
@Averagespidarenjoyer-lr5sjkeep dreaming.
yeah, people seem to have a hard time accepting that the big 3 protagonists aren't just country level fodder for some reason
@Averagespidarenjoyer-lr5sj Bec it would require him to lie his ass of or down play boruto, also beat Gohan wins, which is why many people are crying
bro must be shadow banned because no way this isn’t blowing up
Ahh here we go again
Creation doesn't equate to thier physical stats
Unless it is stated
It is just pure hax
If it really equate to physical stats
As naruto fans claims saying chakra =physical stats then I don't even know why the characters use attacks
Like rasengan and chidori
As it is useless unless its for some long range attacks
And about character destroying stars by absorbing its energy
Again it doesn't scale to their physical stats unless it is stated
Simple examples is
Just because i got an ability to absorb something doesn't equate to to my physical stats
We got people out here eating rocks
Metal yet they physically can't punch through metal or rock
So unless it is stated that it equals to physical stats or the context or the story supports it
That thing scale to no where
Now for gohan scaling
He was splitting apart cell jr
And that same cell jr
That slamed trained ssj goku
The same goku that slamed 100% frieza
That same frieza that whos power was stated to transcendent in 3rd form
And was stated to be be able to destroy universe
Supported by the fact he tanked an universal spirit bomb
Supported by the fact that toriyama didn't disagree with interviewer when they said frieza is capable of destroying universe in an blink of an eye
Supported by the fact that whis mentions that once frieza was threatening to destroy the universe
That would scale
Low ball gohan to high universal
About speed
As stated power = speed
Perfect cell battle power was infinite
Then he got a power up on to of that
Cell was so fast that goku wasn't even able to keep up with him using instant transmission
When he shot his kamehame ha
Goku used teleportation and before goku even teleported behind
Cell kamehame ha already managed to reached to outer space
So now we know that even time stop ain't doing nothing
And about cell statement of having enough ki to destroy solar system
He didn't say he doesn't have more
Plus we dont know how he is capable of destroying solar system
As in dragon ball the planet moons
Destruction feats are done so violently
That the feats were calculated to be dwarf star lvl and large planet lvl
Plus
Gohan and cell were constantly increasing energy out put in that beam struggle so that alone
Debunks the argument of cell solar system statement
So in conclusion
It doesn't matter whether you high ball or low ball these characters
Gohan at cell sage speed blitzs
Naruto and Boruto verse in 0 second
Thank you. Well said.
Someone who actually know their stuff.
Great video!
Using your time argument, basically means that jotaro or dio could demolish boruto theme-selves.
Even without karma kid Boruto speedblitz them
Aye Jojo scaling is actually pretty good. For example dio can be scaled from ftl-mftl speeds using his time stop scaling (assuming you believe he’s able to resist his own time stop and isn’t just like immune to its effects or something).
@@thecollectorchildsoloyourf4150they don't have enough AP to harm Boruto.
Hey Tempest,
Where would you scale Nerfed Adult Naruto? I’ve heard takes of him now capping at multi-continental but I disagree. I think Nerfed Naruto is still planetary.
Ik u were asking the question to Tempest but I would like to say my part on this .
I got a multiplier for SPSM to be like 200,000 base .
Itight be wrong but I got this by the SM being 10x boost and KCM2 being like a 15 to 50x boost off of base , so KCM2+SM would be 150 to 500x boost and then Naruto does all this in only SM against Madara and even does better , so it would be like 300x to 1000x boost and then stacking KCM would be 45000x to 500,000x boost off of base .
But it might be wrong cuz I am a bit new to power scaling and stuff .
And if we go by Moon level Toneri being 1 shotted by base Naruto , we can get him to Large Planetary to Dwarf Star level in SPSM .
So , Naruto without Kurama would most likely be Moon to Small Planetary .
Adult Naruto without Kurama will still be Planatery just by sage mode. Why do I say so?
Simple because Naruto is stronger than Sakura and Sakura by Boruto era is planatery
Planetary being above the full 9 tails and ftl+ while having no chakra dodging photon beams in his novels
About time🗣️‼️🙌
WAIT WHAT!? DBZ earth is actually bigger than IRL earth? I was always under the impression that DBZ earth was as big as IRL earth, but geography was just different, my mind has just been blown
Ayy my boy finally dropped
Good vid
Universal gohan scaling hit different
4,000,000,000 kilometers away from earth≠the diameter of earth is 4,000,000,000 Kilometers
Ik i read that mid way but js assumed thats the scan he was referring to
@@Tempest1018 🤜🔵🔴🤛=🫴🟣
@Thatskindofcool LOL idk why but this comment is hilarious. Didn't even watch the video
@Averagespidarenjoyer-lr5sj pretty sure≠facts
@@YoungShonenin the anime if drslump they legit said it
1:13 😂😂😂😂 I was heated
Even though i agree that Gohan stomps, the 4 billion radius is false as it says 4 billion kilometers away from earth not radius. It never mentions earth size but a distance
It says that distance can make one trip around earth
No it says 4 billion kilometers is enough to travel around the earth once, so yes, it is about earths size
@@zark-sy2uz Yeah that’s what I’m saying
Can momoshiki stop time before he died?
If so why he never stop time against naruto and sasuke
@Averagespidarenjoyer-lr5sj nah man was absorbing Naruto chakra for a good minute and after he fused he got a boost.
If he had enough chakra to make his own dimension by copying and paste. He have no excuse to not be able to stop time for a few seconds.
Specifically if madara ems ability is rewinding time and madara far below him. Yeah no excuse
@Averagespidarenjoyer-lr5sj people get jump in Naruto all the time no excuses.
He is able to keep up with Naruto and Sasuke and react yet he never thought to do it. If he can during that time.
Like if we was momoshiki and we can stop time. We doing it on site but he didn't lmao
@@lightparodymomoshiki literally loses and has to absorb ninja tool chakra to recover
@@yudasrain4774 you must not had read my comment.
If momoshiki had this ability beforehand died why he didn't use it.
He could have activated at the Start or after he fused.
Momoshiki intentionally lose to boruto, he can see future and see how strong boruto is going to become in the the future,
It's obvious gohan will win but it's gonna be a tricky battle for gohan (((in my opinion))) boruto has jougan he can find an opponent weak spot he can travel thru dimension with jougan and karma. so even if kid gohan can blow up the planet he can simply teleport to a different dimension he can track opponents movements with jougan yes ik gohan will be to fast for him he can sense hidden barriers and has sensory abilities. he can see and here people in others dimensions he has future sight so he can if gohan about to an crazy attack if gohan decides to do the finishing blow he can stop time at the last second and have momoshiki take over. he has flying ryijin can instantly teleport anywhere he marked or any of his weapons he throws and he has it marked on all his weapons and he has rasengan uzuhiko which is a planetary attack so if he could ever hit him with it which i think he can because wind start surrounding boruto once that wind get in contact his enemy the wind wraps around the enemy and it disables them from moving once he is hit with it gohan will be infinitely dizzy rasengan uzuhiko it causes pain throughout the whole body and a strong sensation and disorientation until death it uses the planets rotation so the person thats hit with it receives the full force of the planets rotation in there body so if he hits go kid gohan with it and kid gohan still 1 shots atleast he did some damage to gohan as a matter a fact the attack will eventually kill him just slowly. and he has karma to absorb any blast attack i might be wrong with that but yall don't believe anything I said read the manga and if you mention adult gohan your an idiot. btw boruto 100% otsutsuki making him a full alien not and half breed
Gohan during the Cell Games is not a teenager.
Boruto is technically not a half-breed anymore since his genes were completely overwritten.
Sasuke's speculation about being stronger than Kaguya was before he met Kinshiki, during Naruto Gaiden, not after.
The red-shift is not in Momoshiki's dimension. It is actually a random planet out in space that Momoshiki either consumed in the novelization, or was using as a Shinju seed-bed
in the anime.
That Slump statement seems to be referred to the distance from an object from Earth, not Earth's size itself.
Planet Vegeta's size in comparison to Earth is never given clearly.
The Solar System statement is referring to the fact that the Solar System is located in a greater nebula, not that it is one.
The time range for Piccolo destroying the Moon is not clear in the manga since its destruction is actually off-panel (it starts glowing in one panel and is missing in the next). The anime is not exactly a reliable metric for speed given dramatic timing.
I think when Toriyama wrote solar system he just meant solar system meanwhile Kaguya on her own is comparable to that level of power if not greater by erasing a solar-system sized time-space, and Boruto is many levels up from that.
for the slump statement it is clac to be solar system with context on that scene and planet vegeta has 2 red suns orbiting it for the solar system statement it says that it is a galactic nebula not just this garlic jr can make sueprspaces that are 5D 3rd form frieza has been stated to be higher dimensional making him 6D at lowball
None of that is in the manga.
Okay, props to you for staying true to authors intentions. You don't see that very much anymore. People used to have somewhat fair scales but now every verse is outer-versal because of a hax ability. The sad part is it only applies to verses they like. For example, in One Piece, there's a character who creates multiple infinite dimensions but he's fodder and almost nobody thinks he's universal(Which he isn't) but when it happens in Naruto or any other verse, they're scaled to universal to multi-versal. I do disagree with Solar Kaguya as it was an amped attack and the actual translation says space, and not time-space.
As for Dragon ball fans, they have good feats, but they make lower characters seem stronger than they really are by using anime-only statements like Namek Saga frieza or perfect cell can destroy the universe. I'm aware there are guides that also say they can but how accurate are those guides? Even the Daizenshuu gets retconned. All fandoms are guilty of it, but they tend to ignore context to make characters seem stronger than they are. I'm not a fan of this because when weaker characters are highballed to an extreme, it makes it look like the higher characters in the verse are not that impressive. For example if SSJ Namek is this universal level fighter, why should I be impressed at Buuhan for almost destroying the universe? Why is Cell destroying the solar system impressive? Clearly Solar System Cell was the intention of the writer but anything above that is speculation.
@@phantomrogue7894 for universal frieza its good to use do to garlic jr superspaces translations and superspaces are 5D and for the diaizenshuu its Shueisha meaning its canon with the canon fiction statement on Wikipedia
@@lantzcranford But Garlic Jr isn't in the manga and is non-canon to the main timeline. You're right, the Daizenshuu is an official source but the thing is it gets contradicted by newer information. The best thing you can do is accept what hasn't been contradicted by newer information like SSJ being a 50 times multiplier. So I don't think the Daizenshuu is a bad source as a whole but I think people should be cautious when they look at it.
I'm curious about whether Boruto learned how to possess bodies, Sasuke should have the knowledge from Orochimaru when he possessed him.
Then you have Boruto having a body-invading alien god that could teach him how to or he could do it himself in case Boruto dies, and he needs a new body.
(his race can absorb/fuse with each other, feed each other to the 10 tails just to be absorbed, yet they can bring them back somehow.)
You can argue that Gohan would stomp Boruto if you use the anime scaling where the cell has multiple universal statements.
Bro made a whole video just to yap it’s not close at all gohan literally violates boruto gets one shotted and blitzed
Gohan doesn't have blonde hair naturally it's only when he transforms
Cell in tfs sums most dbz fights the best. “So which attack can blow up the planet”
What are we talking about Boruto Universal?
Infinite speed lands, all Dragon Ball
This feels disingenuous, like i know dragon fandom are a bunch of wankers 75% of the time, but like frieza saga characters in DB literally slap naruto, teen gohan literally fights someone capable of blowing up the universe or so says the sources lol. Nothing in naruto scales to that degree
Geat video I was waiting for it
For Cell saying he has infinite power for his perfect form, Toneri also saying the same thing to Hinata, that the Tenseigan has infinite power and Toneri is stated to be stronger than her, while Kaguya can nuke a entire time space with several stars. And Base The last Naruto litteraly one shot Toneri, yes Toneri the same guy who's saying he has infinite power with the Tenseigan and was stated in the movie to be stronger than Kaguya.. And Kid Borushiki is stronger than The Last Naruto who's clapped Toneri with one punch. So yeah you can scale both ssj2 Gohan and kid Borushiki with wank at high Universal.
I think Kid Borushiki win cuz he has too much hax and he has better durability than teen ssj2 gohan. Renember when teen so6p naruto can tank a TSO who can completely eradicate you from reality with your soul which this is beyond anything than DBZ's characters can do. This kind of attack starting with the appearance of Beerus and his hakai eradication technique.
So Kid Borushiki take Durability, and for strength it could be ether way for both of the two. For speed gohan could probably take it but not that far. And after that Kid Borushiki take all like IQ, BIQ, combat Experience, Abilitie, Hax..
So..:
Borushiki, Ssj2 Gohan: *Strengh*
Ssj2 Gohan: *Speed*
Kid Borushiki: *Durability*
Kid Borushiki: *IQ, BIQ*
Kid Borushiki: *Experience*
Kid Borushiki: *Abilitie + Hax*
Kid Borushiki,Ssj2 Gohan: *AP, DC*
At first when i read your comment, I was saying "Toneri really said that?"
But I just checked it, and tbh if the Tenseigan has infinite power and Toneri is above Kaguya who can destroy a time space with planets, moons and stars, that scale current base Boruto way above Universal level.
But I agree with what you said.
Also boruto just has to activate his new rassengan and if he gets "blitzed" it's a win win either way
IMO I also think Borushiki wins as well at High Difficulty at best due to more abilities, hax, better experience, and Durability- But Gohan could possibly outmaneuver a whole lot of his attacks and tank some of them- but yeah.The fights pretty close and I can see it as a 50/50 fight for either of them.
I’m gonna use that for now on “that’s cave man logic” anytime I see someone downplay naruto and boruto saying their only moon lvl. 😂
if they both start with the intent to kill, (setting aside character traits ofcourse) then gohan would speedblitz
Kawai can move in a timeless dimension, giving him infinite speed. Boruto is relative to Kawaki. Boruto has all the time in the world to dodge Gohan's attacks (blood lusted or not) effortlessly.
@@DeussEx by that logic base Goku in the matal cooler movie had achieved speed faster than even instant transmission, that was a base Goku and since ssj2 is far ahead of him he should also scale to this (also his name is kawaki not kawai)
@@adeelshaikh8503 Coolers revenge is a non canon. If we use non canon, Boruto becomes a universal character at a lowball (also it’s Metal, not matal).
@@DeussEx Gohan still wins and the evidence also proves it keep coping
@@DeussEx moving in a timeless void doesnt scaling anywhere, speed=distance/time, if time doesn't exist, it becomes non applicable, its a nothing feat. And clearly the users of that dimension that posses the dojutsu get immunity to it. Unless you want to argue kawaki is infinitely faster than narutos strongest form in base??? Yeah i dont think so, it just doesn't scale.
Gohan is probably Galaxy to multi-Galaxy (Possibly lowbal even as vrazy as that sounds because Goku bloked Trunks sword with a finger), since in ep 106 of Db it showed what the explosion of Namek did, and it basically showed The star and everything but at the Center of the screen it showed a void even kaio said ''there is only the empty vacuum of space'' or something like that.
so yea. Teen Gohan at lowball is probably Mult-Galaxy level.
Gohan beats the breaks off of boruto low difficulty lmao
Forreal
*Negative diff, get Boruto past SSJ Goten
I mean this isn't a debate Gohan does one shot 🤣 a heavily wounded SSJ 2 One armed Gohan overwhelmed perfect cell who's solar Kamehameha threatened to destroy the solar system.
Broly in movie 8 destroyed the western galaxy, Gohan scales to him...
A non canon movie that happens in another dimension lol.
@@Tempest1018 I'm not sure does that count or not? The movie could still show what could have happened without telling it in the main canon of DBZ
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13:40 The Frieza Force one of the member can stop time and that would not work on Gohan
@@JakeRider-wc6ke he targets their nerves to stop them from moving he doesn’t actually stop time💀
@@Tempest1018you already know that boruto destroys gohan you only saying that shit just to piss people off Gohan does not even solo Naruto not even close or boruto to say the least he barely struggled against cell and Goku had to give him a sense of being or to get him out of the headlock that cell put him in he and his perfect form dude shut up you the most stupid power scale I've ever seen
@@Tempest1018does it matter I've already saw the end of this video and you are the most idiots I've never seen y'all really that bias you have to wait Dragon Ball and downplay Naruto characters you have no right to cry and call anybody bias
@@Tempest1018boruto if he wanted instead of stopping time like his battle with code he can just absorb Gohan's power if you want it think about it what's the point of you making this video you and toaster XD doesn't even know shit you guys are talking about anyway y'all bias Dragon Ball fans get to the point
It’s not fair bro
Fr
did bro respond to his own comment and agree with it@@Therobloxprince123
@@Nurrlmao hi dude I reply to my comment cause it keeps disappearing when I don’t I figured it was a glitch I am working to fix that thx for commenting:)
ah mb, ye its a glitch wher because of how much youtube is processing it takes some time for it to register when new stuff is posted/deleted@@Therobloxprince123
Gohan slams 💀 boruto and his verse
🗣️👍
To think that Tempest wanked Boruto to make this close....
Gohan backshots that Goten victim
high balled boruto to the max. boruto cant even destroy his own planet lol Galaxy level is mad. boruto is low planetary given the rasengan uzuhiko
garlic jr can make superspaces that are 5D get it right for once and 3rd form frieza is higher dimensionality then garlic jr making a low balled gohan 6-7D
so no not close even if you want to wank boruto to his 5D scaling he gets shited on by gohan and this is not even going in to how cell through hell giving gohan infinite speed
With all due respect, I agree with Gohan winning but the naruto-verse is not that strong. First of all, the naruto-verse needs mistranslations and contradictory statements to get to Solar System level and above. Second, Kaguya's Dimension refers to the planet, and does not include the stars. She was never going to destroy a time space, just the space aka the planet. Also nobody actually scales to the Truth Seeker orb from Kaguya. For one, it's a long charge up time and two, it was an amped up attack that Kaguya could only do by using the Chakra from the other shinobis. Naruto and co didn't overpower the Truth seeker orb, they went around it. Scaling based on the truth seeker orb is the equivalent of scaling pre-SSJ Namek Goku to the spirit bomb.
The argument that all chakra belongs to Kaguya doesn't work either since obviously more people were born since she was sealed. Imo Naruto caps at planetary and possibly star level if we highball. Even the Otsutsuki have to many durability anti-feats to the point where they consistently take damage from weak attacks so clearly their AP doesn't equal their durability. I get verse equalization but it's still important to remember that ki and chakra work differently. In Naruto/Boruto, a character can have the power to wipe out a city but their durability might be only wall level while in Dragon Ball, a character's stats mostly match. For example, a character will be as strong as they are durable or at least all their stats will be relative to each other. I respect your opinion and obviously everyone is going to scale things differently. I just disagree and that's it.
Edit: Also I'm pretty sure the destroying the star feat was actually a planet if I remember correctly and Momoshiki didn't destroy it by blowing it up, he absorbed it the same way they always did, by planting a tree. Also there's no evidence that Momoshiki created the dimension with the Redshift Nubula. The dimension that he fought Naruto and Sasuke in is different from the dimension with the Redshift Nebula.
Tbh, Boruto shouldn't even be mid planetary.
@@bootlegspinjutsu9966 We're both probably going to get raided by Naruto fans using faulty mistranslations of light novels while ignoring the context but you aren't wrong. In the same way people scale Naruto to solar system-universal, you can get any verse to that level or higher. That's why I usually hate creation feats when discussing fictional debates. Yeah, I'm aware that if you have the energy to create something, you should be able to destroy it but that's real life. In fiction, things aren't that clear. How many fictional characters can create universe sized dimensions but can still be one-tapped by humans and have human level ap? That's why I ALWAYS take creation feats with a grain of salt regardless of the verse.
@@phantomrogue7894This channel is full of Narutards. We're getting jumped soon. I'm debating with someone who thinks Sasuke outskills all of DB barring master roshi, when even Krillin has shown better skill feats than Naruto. It's crazy
I agree, I think people forget that there are different sizes when it comes to dimensions anyway. Like an Earth-Sized Dimension for an example or a Star Sized Dimension.
@@SonZackSSJ9k I know right? One Piece is my favorite anime of all time but I don't go around telling people Luffy is multiversal for being stronger than Charlotte Mont D'or, the guy who can create multiple dimensions which were stated to be infinite. I only ever brought it up if people tried to scale through creation feats but I consistently say it doesn't work. Whenever I scale characters, I always look at the authors intent instead of scaling characters higher due to technicalities that the author probably didn't think of.
Even if we grant the 4D Boruto wank.
Namek arc Goku threw a spirit bomb with energy from the entire universe at Frieza and Frieza still survived it. The spirit bomb would scale bellow even Full Power Frieza and Goku. Piccolo later on goes to tell the Z fighters to not even bother coming if they can't even take on Frieza and Goku with 3 years of training being stated to Transcend these Z fighters making him at least 5D. Piccolo calls this Goku weak and would later on confront Shin, Shin is stated in El Manga Legendario to be on the same level as Cell Games Goku, Shin is also stated to Transcend piccolo in terms of powee making him and by extension Cell Games Goku 6D. Gohan even as a mere super saiyan scales above Cell Games Goku and as a SSJ2 massively more powerful seeing as he didn't just unlock SSJ2 but also got a rage boost as well making him far higher than baseline 6D.
In terms of speed.
The space ship in Namek was able to cross the universe in finite time, making its speed infinite, King kai was able to keep up with this ship yet wasn't able to keep up with SSJ Goku fighting Frieza making them infinite speed by extension Gohan would massively upscale from this as he is vastly stronger than Namek Goku and Frieza. Even if Boruto stops time Gohan is still slapping him.
SSJ2 is not even close to universal.... DB Characters don't start getting to that range of power until Super Buu.
I guess the power scailing community has gone down bad why you even make them fight gohan was solar system level with one blast 💥
Bourto just got a lil planetary feat how can you even compare the two and I ain’t even watch the vid correct me if I’m wrong
Dude at least watch the video…
@@Tempest1018 I’m watch it Because you responded to me and I know you put hard work in the vid
@@Animefacts35 thank you man i truly do appreciate it
@@Tempest1018 good vid overall 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
nah I'd win
At first I was confused and then I realized that you're the guy that thinks Naruto's universal so and despite how everything you just said it can be debunk'd the Highest you can get any Naruto character Is basically star and with a little bit of wank darwf. But good video
When the actually hell did i claim naruto or boruto was universal anywhere in this video?
@@Tempest1018 not in this video in a collab you did with someone else
Yeah so go ahead and debunk this entire video rn lol.
@@DrUmar-gu4kp first of all do you know how early it is I'm not going to go over an argument against a character who is high solar system against the character that large star or could possibly be low solar system. I'm good
@@Keith_Norman “possibly be low solar” mans has never picked up a single chapter of late Naruto or boruto in his life. Kaguya and Momoshiki easily solidify any solar system scaling for Naruto characters (not even trying to argue that they scale much higher, just that solar is extremely consistent atp and acting like it’s some bs wank is just ignorant).
Tf☠️ namek gohan soloing the verse ssj2 gohan is overkill
Not sure about Namek Gohan.... (seriously tho, I don't know)
@@bootlegspinjutsu9966 namek gohan was hanging with 2nd form Frieza for a lil with his rage amp I don’t see anybody in boruto even touching 1st form frieza
@@SaiyajinJayWell, off a scaling chain, Vegeta casually blew up three planets pre Goku fight in the Saiyan Saga with a vastly lower power level, Frieza in first form is literally thousands of times stronger than that Vegeta.... If you think about it, yeah... Namek Gohan actually stomps pretty badly.
@@bootlegspinjutsu9966 yea ppl in the comments geeking
At this point natuto fans are wilding ,tripping and yapping
Gohan sneezes the verse
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Buddy anime gohan would casualky scale above universal+ scaling from namek saga frieza.
You low ball dbz too much my guy. Do take namek scalings to scale gohan. Hes far above uni+.
So yes gohan from cell saga do solo boruto and verse.
This Gohan isn't a teenage
He was 13 or 14 in Cell Saga. He is a Teenager.
@@ThashneemHe was 10-12
@@ThashneemGohan was 11-12 in the Cell Saga. He was a Pre-teen. The Actual Teenage Gohan is in the Buu Saga.
Ok I am impresed this battle was actualy closer than I thought. I didn´t know the Naruto verse was this strong.
It isn’t
@@Tobey-4671it is
@@thecollectorchildsoloyourf4150 It’s not
@@Tobey-4671you have to have watched the video on mute then. He gave the receipts, just cause it's not as known about or accepted as much as Goku doesn't mean it's wrong
its not naruto verse its boruto verse
Nice to see people don’t know what ap and dc really are . lol 😂
Yow yow yow i now your talking about 12 year old gohan super syian 2 right if you're talking about super gohan how an what took you to think its close if its super its bot but if its 12 year old gohan not 18 boruto 50/50
Фриза во второй фооме мог уничтожить всеоенную, Селл мог уничтожить всеоенную в своей Идальной форме, Гохан их сильнее. В Наруто персонажи максимум могут уничтожить звезду. Да и как персонаж Гохан прораьотаннее чем Боруто.
This video….. was not good Seth the programmer clone
Tbh Naruto Series Scales more To The One punch man Verse Cause I Dont see How Any Naruto can beat Cosmic fear Garou or Saitama ion even see boruto Beating Boros
You think Boros solar system level? ☠️☠️☠️
@Oreo_166 maybe Boros was a stretch but Boruto Definitely Not çosmic fear Garou level I scale That Garou too Solar System or multi Solar System So how is boruto that level
@@Oreo_166but Tbh Boros Should be way Faster Then Boruto minus Teleportation Jutsu and have more Durability then Boruto 2
@@CVVLin As explained in this video, Boruto scales to Momoshiki who can create dimensions filled with several stars in them. He’s definitely at least solar system level as well.
@@CVVLin Boros is like FTL at best. Boruto by the end of part I easily scales MANY times above Shippuden mid-high tiers who have multiple, consistent showings of that same level of speed…
Narutoi is universal, how is Boruto only solar?
Naruto is nowhere close to uni
@@bootlegspinjutsu9966 Drop that discord
Naruto's isn't uni he's closer to galaxy
This was a video…😂 Seth programmer clone
Stoooooop lol kid Gohan in a rage would beat Boruto
I agree with everything(mihawk one taps both)
Are you trolling?
Cause any of these One tap One Piece verse
@@The_Primordial_Demon of course gohan solos
@@PoH27 not only Gohan most Dragon ball character can solo and even Boruto characters that are Otsusuki level can solo.
@@The_Primordial_Demon yeah i was trolling i know dragon ball characters can beat one piece characters lol💀
Boruto rn us atleast universal after lowballing
No the fuck he isn't. Bros not even past planetary. And I don't care about the video's scaling, this channel wanks the Naruto verse too damn much
Boruto is not universal, even highballed up the ass.
In the Shonen jump manga translations kaguyas dimensions are defined as alternate time-spaces by Hagaromo, Sasuke, obito, and kakashi. Idc what nobody says it’s directly stated in the manga multiple times, she is at least universal whether yall like it or not. It’s not wank it’s literally in the manga and Boruto era villains confirm the scaling by their basic feats too btw
Edit: not saying gohan wouldn’t win but people gotta stop downplaying the Naruto verse!
There's no proof that they scale to universes or have any significant size. The Naruto verse needs to stop getting wanked with featless characters and NLF hax.
@@bootlegspinjutsu9966 serious question how do you fit an entire universe in most panels? Do you think the author called them alternate time-spaces for his health??? By your logic goku isn’t planetary because he’s never destroyed a planet, let alone a universe. See how dumb you sound?
Strength
Teen gohan: solar-multi solar due to scaling to cell who could destroy the solar system which potentially could be much larger than ours. And theres also friezas deathball that he threw at namek creating enough light to cover a good chunk of a galaxy but thats an anime only feat so its debatable how reliable that feat is to scale teen gohan. mabye high universal with wank if you take cell having infinite power literally.
Boruto: large planetary-solar depending on how big you think kaguyas dimensions are. Mabye universal+ with wank using the highballed scaling shown in this video.
Speed:
Teen Gohan: hundreds of trillions of times ftl atleast due to just how much he scales above namek goku who went faster than king kai could track despite king kai keeping track of a space ship which traveled to a planet on the other side of the universe in a week which is slightly above 4 trillion times ftl.
Boruto: thousands-tens of thousands of times ftl considering just how much he upscales from war arc characters who even the weaker ones like the 5 kage are already lightspeed.
@Averagespidarenjoyer-lr5sj I could see him being tens of thousands ftl. Trillions is kinda crazy imo.
Dbz are just powerful characters. They don’t really have much skill though. As a heavy DbZ fan. We know Gohan would win. But I would much rather watch Naruto and Boruto fights.
What the fuck is this garbage take? Goku mastered martial arts far beyond our world's comprehension midway through Z. Teen Gohan fought a Cell that had the combat data of every current Z fighter, INCLUDING THAT GOKU. Gohan has shown more skill feats than all of Boruto.
L take. Goku knows martial arts beyond our system's levels hundreds of times over
@@bootlegspinjutsu9966 Not an L take actually. Doesn’t matter how many martial arts goku knows if every single fight is nothing more than a contest to see who punches the hardest.
@@DrUmar-gu4kpActually watch DB please. Goku vs Cell, Goku vs Majin Vegeta, DBS Broly, all of those have phenomonal choreography. Goku is a far more skilled fighter than anyone in the Naruto verse, hell even Baki is more skilled than Naruto. Gohan far surpasses Boruto in skill by a million miles.
@@bootlegspinjutsu9966 Yeah “choreography” doesn’t equal skill lol. Naruto easily has better hand to hand choreography and again name me a single fight in DBZ and especially super where gokus martial arts skill mattered. Oh right you can’t lol cause dragon ball only cares about power levels.
Since both are pretty easy Solar System what matters is speed. DB speed gets crazy post Cell Saga so currently Boruto would be able to keepup. Plus Boruto has better Hax Abilities BIQ and Combat Skill
I think cell is multi solar system level of power but with wank for both of them they could be universal
cell is multi solar you could probably even high ball him to galaxy
@@j_official4138Anime Cell is, Manga Cell isn't.
DB scaling is weird.
Agreed
Kid Boruto at the start of the series one shots Gohan
Bro he solos as a sperm. Get it right
you woke up and smoked cracked this morning huh
No Gohan absolutely one shot that version of Boruto
Adult gohan one shots that overrated verse
@@CarlosVasquez-fn1sy yes we know that