Rose McGowan in Conversation with Ronan Farrow: BRAVE
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- The voice that gave rise to a watershed moment belongs to Rose McGowan. Best known for her Hollywood and television roles (Planet Terror, Scream, Jawbreaker, Charmed), she battled a sexist and abusive industry bent on hijacking her image, propelling her to become an activist and agent of change. It was McGowan’s explosive reports in The New Yorker and The New York Times that opened the floodgates that have brought sexual assault and harassment out of the shadows. Joined by journalist Ronan Farrow, who wrote The New Yorker story, McGowan talks about the experiences captured in her new book, BRAVE. Equal parts memoir and manifesto, the work is as fierce, raw and unapologetic as its creator.
Recorded on February 1, 2018 at the 92nd Street Y.
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Rose is what we in Sweden call a "dandelion child". She comes from a very dark place, had a rough childhood growing up in a cult and she left with absolutely nothing and became an independent, self supported woman very strong and caring. I admire her and her strength to carry on.
What a great phrase. In America we have one similar. Its "The rose that grew from concrete." The symbolism is very similar. That something so tiny, wild, delicate & beautiful can push it's way through something so barren & strong, finding a way to not only against all odds exist, but to survive & thrive. Tupak Shakur wrote a poem with the same name, it reads
"From a crack in the concrete?
Proving nature's law is wrong it
learned to walk with out having feet.
Funny it seems, but by keeping its dreams,
it learned to breathe fresh air.
Long live the rose that grew from concrete."
when no one else ever cared."
@@iLitAfuseiCantStop Love this
@@iLitAfuseiCantStop 👋💯💯❤️
Love that dandelion child.. when your raised in abuse your just ignored by so many and that is sad.
@@iLitAfuseiCantStop😂 the rose phrase ain't a thing, it's a song
Ms. Rose McGowan is for real. Some people will think she is somewhat crazy. She's not. She is letting you see what, and who a survivor really looks and sounds like. 7 years from now she will sound different, barring another traumatic event.
If you are not a survivor of extreme abuse, sexual or otherwise, try imagining going through what she has gone through.
Good for you, Rose McGowan! But take some time for you, and you only.
agree. people who have it good are looking through rose colored glasses, judging her based on cookie cutter expectations they have of what a victim should act or talk like. it’s like explaining the fourth dimension to folks who cannot fathom outside their three dimensional space.
"Only the defeated cry crazy"
@Samia Mim she ain't crazy but those who call her crazy are the defeated she is not defeated
Exactly. My speech is different from trauma
I'm a survivor. but people think I'm schizophrenic and no man loves me. I wish they would have put me out of my misery. I'm a survivor, but I wish I wasn't. there is nothing fun or good about me or how my thinking became altered after incest and rape. I don't belong on this earth anymore and I'm suffering even though I made my peace.
“Rose speaks when she’s ready.” Ronan is so respectful and must be protected at all costs. He’s a rare, gifted man. Rose is The Curtain. She’s so strong.
Totally agree, Ronan must be protected at all costs.
Woody was banished from the family when Ronan was around 5. Mia Farrow called Woody Allen’s sister, right after she discovered Soon-Yi and Woody were together, and she left an angry voicemail that said, “Woody took my daughter. Now I’m going to take his.” She then proceeded to brainwash Dylan into believing she was molested. The nanny witnessed Mia Farrow brainwashing Dylan, and videotaping it. Dylan would say: “No, daddy didn’t do it,” and Mia would repeatedly tell Dylan what had happened, until Dylan would finally say it. This is a form of child abuse and cruelty. When they eventually went to the cops, Dylan told the cops that Woody didn’t do it. Then Mia left with Dylan and took her to get ice cream, then they returned to the police station, and she told the police he did it. The police believed she was clearly being coached by Mia. Moses Farrow, who was around 15 at the time, saw the abuse of Mia Farrow and endured the abuse himself. He saw that Mia turned all the children against Woody. Moses expressed that he missed Woody and wanted to see him, and Mia slapped him across the face. Moses also saw a huge flaw in the fake story that Dylan continues to tell. Dylan describes a scene where Woody “lures” her up to an attic to play with a train set, then she alleges that Woody molested her. Moses says that that train set wasn’t up in the attic till years later. The entire thing is a lie that resulted from Mia’s intense rage toward Woody. She wanted revenge, and she used Dylan as a weapon to exact her revenge. The tragedy is that Dylan has had to endure the trauma of being a victim of sexual abuse, when in reality she’s a victim of psychological abuse and brainwashing from her mom. Obviously, Ronan was also a victim of brainwashing: He was raised to hate and despise Woody, as were all the children. Moses rebelled against this because he was old enough (15) to resist the brainwashing from Mia. Plus, he was old enough to get to know Woody before the brainwashing began.
@@wildmercuryfilms Did you forget who is the subject of this interview? What's your point? are you attempting to draw some parallel to Rose's story?
Rose - articulate, intelligent, angry...
Ronan - articulate, intelligent, compassionate...
Thoughtful, provocative conversation 💕
perfectly stated. I can stop reading comments now. Thank you!
Gay
She made a lot of extremely valid points here. Say what you will about how angry she is. Would you not be angry? To be abused and ignored for years. I back her 100%. The world is a joke, and she's done laughing. Simple as that.
The only thing she abused was the drugs she put into her body over the years.
Thomas Paine I’m not sure what the intention behind your comment is. Her “abuse” of anything isn’t in question. Whatever drugs you claim she took has less than nothing to due with her standing up for morality and human rights.
More publicity = more money = more drugs. This is just a scam so this strung out druggy can buy more drugs.
Thomas Paine it’s unfortunate that people think when women speak up, its for money or other inaccurate causes. When I spoke up, it was because I didn’t want those that traumatized me to walk down the streets unpunished and open to harm others. But, of course, rape and other crimes are completely made up fiction, right? Everyone is innocent and we are all liars. Of course of course. I’m disappointed to understand that any women in your life didn’t teach you better. Or at least teach you empathy. If you’ve never experienced it, your comments carry no weight and are not welcome here. Perhaps go lend your empty energies somewhere in the same playing field. Have a good day.
And that misandric comment that "women teach me" Get over yourself I don't need validation from a woman to "set me straight".
Yes she is damaged, yes she is angry, yes she is unadjusted... but I think we need more of that. We need more people who care more about justice and making the world safer, than about how people perceive them.
Fawn Whisperer very true
#facts
Fawn Whisperer I would not call her “damaged” though. If we are honest, count all women who have been sexually used/assaulted/raped, then we women are all “damaged”. I call men who rapes/manipulates/assaults damaged.
Shes very well adjusted if she were not, she would still be an abused victim still succumbing to violations in unspoken screams in order to be able to strive for her acting dreams, and brain washed into the illusion of belonging by predators
We need more damaged people? Not sure I follow you there...
For people asking why some women don’t speak when it happens?
Sometimes not even a mother believed us.
I told my mom about an uncle abusing me and she didn’t believe me for a while.
It’s a horror Being abused and ridiculed by disbelief.
Pretty naive of your mother to dismiss.
@Jethro Tull Of course you are right. I am sorry. Hopefully society will be more aware. It is difficult to expose the truth. Many become hostile to what they don't want to hear. Better for all if we all go for the truth together.
Because people have to much to lose and their reality will be altered forever. So it’s easier to not acknowledge it. They know it’s true they just don’t want to go there. So unfortunate.
I'm here for you
Maria S+My deepest sympathy- how cruel.
Rose’s rage is how she protects herself. That is what rage is for. God bless her.
Yeah, other than this completely false allegation against Alexander Payne, I wonder what other complete fabrications and falsehoods exist in her book. If there was a movie Alexander Payne directed for Showtime prior to Rose allegedly meeting him at age 15, that means it would be 1988 or before since she was born in 1973. Therefore, there would be paystubs and IRS Tax Forms, and an accounting trail. I have worked on a couple movie sets, and it’s required, as it is for any job that includes payments for work. These would have to be under Alexander’s name, even if the movie wasn’t, as Rose claims. Plus, there would have been dozens of people who worked on the film crew, as well as editors and producers. All of these people would have to be silent. There wasn’t a production, obviously, because Showtime would have no reason to hide all this information, and a crew of people wouldn’t be silent. Plus, there would be accountants and pay stubs and tax forms, not to mention the movie itself. Where is all this evidence? She’s lying. When people are faced with the reality of this lie being exposed, why do they double-down, like Rose has?
I understand Rose in many ways.
@@wildmercuryfilms No offense man, but, people in Hollywood hide shit all the time. The only reason why Weinstein lasted as long as he did was because he was smart and had the resources and the gall to do what he did. How is this any different? The news media, not just Hollywood, the news media constantly and consistently lies to their viewers, and if they're not lying to you, then they omit information, or report a half-truth.
You can't possibly tell me you trust Hollywood to be honest. There's a hell of a lot more people who are dishonest in Hollywood and in major media outlets than anywhere else. Yes you're right, there should be paper trails, etc..., but someone is probably being paid to hide that information or making it extremely tough to find that information.
The other reason why I find it hard to believe she's lying is because of the following she has. I find it hard to believe she's lying cause she honestly doesn't have much to gain in speaking about this. She's kind of a moving target.
Unfortunately it can consume one too. It is a precarious line. She's going to have to find a place where and when she can release it to heal.
She needs it now, but it will consume her and Destroy her if she holds it too long.
Resentment is like Swallowing poison hoping the other people suffer.
@@wildmercuryfilms you'd be fucking Surprised...
I understand her completely.
"Throwing out stones, someone will help."
I never had a Ronan Farrow.
I threw out boulders.
They put me in a mental institution after my suicide attempt.
Then they tried to drown me out with prescriptions.
I was the joke girl.
Let's fuck with her, she gets mad.
I'm proud of who I am today because I fought them.
All of them.
I didn't win, I survived.
I'm so very sorry to hear this. You deserved better
You won by surviving
A lot of people give Rose a hard time and, I must admit, I am not a big fan of her personality as she's very defended, but I wish haters would realise that the reason she is like that is because of a lifetime of abuse. Just because she's cagey and not 'nice' doesn't mean she's making the abuse up....quite the opposite.
Sa archer She was one defenceless woman crushed by a whole system protecting Weinstein .
Sa archer Thank you, I was looking for this comment as I didn't know how to explain how I feel about this but you expressed exactly how I feel x
Direct communicators are 30% of the population. She is already at a communicative disadvantage. Indirect communicators consider direct communicators as harsh, rude and not nice, among other descriptors. I completely understand from where she is coming and am not offended in the least.
Sa archer people give Rose a hard time because she's not the kind of women they're told need to be in the front of à cause, or an example. Media and big stars either hated on her or diminished her impact because she called them out. They knew. They all knew.
Sa archer agree
I think Rose McGowan is a lighthouse for human resilience. Thank you for sharing your story and your knowledge with us. Her strength is something else.
Yes!
I like Rose. She's quirky, hurt, yes, but I like people who keep me on my toes and are straight talking. Clever lady. Love her angle.
@Morning Tea I love her and her language or interpretation of her experience is out of the expected wording talking explaining etc we are so use to hearing. She has a very hard line of how we think. Give me quirky truth then anything else. 💖
She is one brave human. Totally support her.
And SO WHAT if Rose profited off the me too movement! Rose Is the Me Too movement. She started it years ago. She deserves a happy ending to her story.
@@jaysinlsavage50 exactly! Well stated.
She is wounded by the abuses. I stand by her!
I have been raped twice neither with any evidence or way to come forward. But now I have the confidence to believe my own story and consider the time for me to speak out. I love you Rose....SO BRAVE!
Brooke Engledow I was raped once and inapropriately touched by my grandfather. Also I have no proof! I believe you sister.
I think the majority of women are. The whole system including the police and judiciary are against them. Not including secret societies and hidden influence.
All children should be taught martial arts in my opinion.
@@miladydewinter8551 "children should be taught martial arts" it's the same as saying women need to be taught martial arts to be able to defend temselves as opposed to educate men not to be predators, it's dumb. Society needs to change, period.
morita kaoru - well as long as people have a propensity to do evil rape will continue.
Therefore whilst we wait for societal change (rape has been with us from the year dot) children should be taught self defense
I was raped with no evidence, also. I only came forward because I have a daughter. I had to show her that it wasn't ok and you don't have to "accept" abuse.
"The lack of nuance in people's minds is staggering" so good and so well articulated!
Woody was banished from the family when Ronan was around 5. Mia Farrow called Woody Allen’s sister, right after she discovered Soon-Yi and Woody were together, and she left an angry voicemail that said, “Woody took my daughter. Now I’m going to take his.” She then proceeded to brainwash Dylan into believing she was molested. The nanny witnessed Mia Farrow brainwashing Dylan, and videotaping it. Dylan would say: “No, daddy didn’t do it,” and Mia would repeatedly tell Dylan what had happened, until Dylan would finally say it. This is a form of child abuse and cruelty. When they eventually went to the cops, Dylan told the cops that Woody didn’t do it. Then Mia left with Dylan and took her to get ice cream, then they returned to the police station, and she told the police he did it. The police believed she was clearly being coached by Mia. Moses Farrow, who was around 15 at the time, saw the abuse of Mia Farrow and endured the abuse himself. He saw that Mia turned all the children against Woody. Moses expressed that he missed Woody and wanted to see him, and Mia slapped him across the face. Moses also saw a huge flaw in the fake story that Dylan continues to tell. Dylan describes a scene where Woody “lures” her up to an attic to play with a train set, then she alleges that Woody molested her. Moses says that that train set wasn’t up in the attic till years later. The entire thing is a lie that resulted from Mia’s intense rage toward Woody. She wanted revenge, and she used Dylan as a weapon to exact her revenge. The tragedy is that Dylan has had to endure the trauma of being a victim of sexual abuse, when in reality she’s a victim of psychological abuse and brainwashing from her mom. Obviously, Ronan was also a victim of brainwashing: He was raised to hate and despise Woody, as were all the children. Moses rebelled against this because he was old enough (15) to resist the brainwashing from Mia. Plus, he was old enough to get to know Woody before the brainwashing began.
Also, Ronan is immensely patient and respectful and awesome.
@Babaloo Bimbo sorry, apparently you don't know the definition of the word "leech"
@Babaloo Bimbo your version of a dictionary doesn't translate. I'm not an especially Ronan fan, I'm just stating the facts.
Yay! Another bigot to block and report! I will never have to see your name or opinions again! Thanks for outing yourself as a toxic ingnorant abuser so we can all block you. Bye bye
Woody was banished from the family when Ronan was around 5. Mia Farrow called Woody Allen’s sister, right after she discovered Soon-Yi and Woody were together, and she left an angry voicemail that said, “Woody took my daughter. Now I’m going to take his.” She then proceeded to brainwash Dylan into believing she was molested. The nanny witnessed Mia Farrow brainwashing Dylan, and videotaping it. Dylan would say: “No, daddy didn’t do it,” and Mia would repeatedly tell Dylan what had happened, until Dylan would finally say it. This is a form of child abuse and cruelty. When they eventually went to the cops, Dylan told the cops that Woody didn’t do it. Then Mia left with Dylan and took her to get ice cream, then they returned to the police station, and she told the police he did it. The police believed she was clearly being coached by Mia. Moses Farrow, who was around 15 at the time, saw the abuse of Mia Farrow and endured the abuse himself. He saw that Mia turned all the children against Woody. Moses expressed that he missed Woody and wanted to see him, and Mia slapped him across the face. Moses also saw a huge flaw in the fake story that Dylan continues to tell. Dylan describes a scene where Woody “lures” her up to an attic to play with a train set, then she alleges that Woody molested her. Moses says that that train set wasn’t up in the attic till years later. The entire thing is a lie that resulted from Mia’s intense rage toward Woody. She wanted revenge, and she used Dylan as a weapon to exact her revenge. The tragedy is that Dylan has had to endure the trauma of being a victim of sexual abuse, when in reality she’s a victim of psychological abuse and brainwashing from her mom. Obviously, Ronan was also a victim of brainwashing: He was raised to hate and despise Woody, as were all the children. Moses rebelled against this because he was old enough (15) to resist the brainwashing from Mia. Plus, he was old enough to get to know Woody before the brainwashing began.
@@yourinnerlawyer4035 like Fernando
I've just watched it a second time a year later, having started the process of recovery from my own sexual trauma, and Rose's words about how important it is to feel anger, and how there's no soft place to fall and that deserves sorrow speak much louder to me now. What a brilliant lady.
Ronan is a class act, no doubt. We need more Ronans
I beleive Rose. Trauma explains her erratic behavior.
Erratic ???you kidding
she’s very controlled. not erratic at all. she is highly intelligent and have a high sense of awareness.
Poop Brain
Well, obviously you’re a poop brain. She’s erratic.
Not erratic but definite anxiety there and who could blame her with all she's been through.
She's not erratic. You don't get her
She's on another level..people may misinterpret her behavior but I think she is extremely intelligent and full of passion an information so she has a lot to say. She's on a higher frequency , I understand her
Yeah, witchy.
john signoy Exactly
Rose’s description of being the Curtain between the ‘Real’ world & the ‘Wizard’ was very profound.
#metoo, yup she's very high vibe
strongly agree
Ronan is a class act. Far above many others in his field.
Frank Sinatra would be very proud of his son!
PBonBear one thing for sure he has no Woody Allen traits what so ever ,thank god
@@BD12 wish he was but he looks just like his mom
Very intellegent man but famous for coming from a hollywood Pedigree if you want to Talk about being Honest just like anderson cooper Lets Be HONEST and Real
BenNuttinYahoosreel
👍👍✌😊
Ronan broke the Harvey Weinstein story wide open. Respect! Well done and you are your mother's son, Ronan. Strong good mom = strong good man.
And he is Frank Sinatra's Son too!
Ronan's time under fire is just beginning. Be brave.
@@sbscottw I know this is old but he is Woody Allen's son.
Have you looked at Ronan and Frank Sinatra side by side. There are plenty of youtube videos about this. I thought everybody knew Ronan was Frank's son by now
@@karenkramer3760 People see what they want to see. He looks just like his mother. Interesting that you think you know better than his mother who his father is. And does it matter? It is quite disrespectful to Ronan. Nobody's business but his.
I’ve watched this a few times now and I have to express my admiration for both Rose and Ronan. Rose is so strong and valiant for speaking out even when her voice shakes.
Ronan does a great job of respecting Rose’s trauma and asking questions that help us understand her better. I tip my hat to both of them.
Woody was banished from the family when Ronan was around 5. Mia Farrow called Woody Allen’s sister, right after she discovered Soon-Yi and Woody were together, and she left an angry voicemail that said, “Woody took my daughter. Now I’m going to take his.” She then proceeded to brainwash Dylan into believing she was molested. The nanny witnessed Mia Farrow brainwashing Dylan, and videotaping it. Dylan would say: “No, daddy didn’t do it,” and Mia would repeatedly tell Dylan what had happened, until Dylan would finally say it. This is a form of child abuse and cruelty. When they eventually went to the cops, Dylan told the cops that Woody didn’t do it. Then Mia left with Dylan and took her to get ice cream, then they returned to the police station, and she told the police he did it. The police believed she was clearly being coached by Mia. Moses Farrow, who was around 15 at the time, saw the abuse of Mia Farrow and endured the abuse himself. He saw that Mia turned all the children against Woody. Moses expressed that he missed Woody and wanted to see him, and Mia slapped him across the face. Moses also saw a huge flaw in the fake story that Dylan continues to tell. Dylan describes a scene where Woody “lures” her up to an attic to play with a train set, then she alleges that Woody molested her. Moses says that that train set wasn’t up in the attic till years later. The entire thing is a lie that resulted from Mia’s intense rage toward Woody. She wanted revenge, and she used Dylan as a weapon to exact her revenge. The tragedy is that Dylan has had to endure the trauma of being a victim of sexual abuse, when in reality she’s a victim of psychological abuse and brainwashing from her mom. Obviously, Ronan was also a victim of brainwashing: He was raised to hate and despise Woody, as were all the children. Moses rebelled against this because he was old enough (15) to resist the brainwashing from Mia. Plus, he was old enough to get to know Woody before the brainwashing began.
@@wildmercuryfilms even tho u may be right, it still doesn't excuse the reality of who and what kind of sexual predator Woody really is. Soon-Yi was not just Mia's daughter. She was Woody and Mia's daughter! He literally "groomed" his adopted daughter until(that we know of, that is) she was almost of legal age! Some ppl try so hard to dismiss Woodys actions by saying they're not blood so she's not really his daughter. That's just b.s.! I was adopted as well. And I can NOT even come close to wrapping my mind around the fact they became a couple! It's beyond not normal. Just cuz a person was adopted doesn't mean those ppl aren't her parents. Woody helped raise her as HIS child, his daughter. ( The male children were not targets of Woody.)There should be NO sexual thoughts or behavior towards her. And as for the daughter? She's not to blame, not really. To grow up in such a bizarre family dynamic just proves to the world just how damaged her thinking really is, to think it's normal and ok to be in an intimate and sexual relationship with her father. Mia is far from innocent...agreed! But your comment seems to blame Mia for absolutely everything wrong in that particular family, and comes off as almost insinuating Woody was a victim. Woody Allen is as far from a victim as one could be!
@@baltimorechick2092
It’s amazing you can write so much misinformation from A FALSE PREMISE:
Soon-Yi Previn WAS NOT the adopted daughter of Woody Allen.
Rather:
Soon-Yi was adopted by musician Andre Previn and Mia Farrow YEARS BEFORE Woody Allen began dating Mia Farrow.
You can gather this TRUTH from COUNTLESS sources.
It’s PUBLICLY-KNOWN information.
"The system is not the laws...It's the ingrained thought. "This is a brilliant person speaking here. Divinely beautiful and perfect. An interview we all need to hear.
It takes a very, very intelligent and sensitive person to get Rose McGowan and Ronan is that person.
Evidently you did not see her utter feminist meltdown in Barnes and Noble.
it takes the son of Frank Sinatra!
Catherine Wong Sooo happy therrs people like her on earth intelectualy she makes ME feel not so alone ya know!!
I love your comment, so on point!!
But she seems to lack sensitivity herself.
So many people in the comments talking about her sanity and that she needs "help"! She's handling this amazingly. She's centered and intelligent and brave as hell. Would you do better? I doubt it. It takes great strength to be this honest and bold in the face of so many powerful liars. She's other level at this point. If you don't see it, that says more about you than her. I'm incredibly proud of her strength
Tanja Buchholz - I don't think people are judging her by saying she needs help. At least not all of them.
thank you!
Y-E-S ! ! ! Tanja Buchholz! You grasp what a few of these non-intelligent victim-blamers refuse to see.
Ashley_ V - Well I'm certainly not a victim blamer. But you have to admit, she is right now for the moment a little ungrounded. For example, blaming the audience for not protecting her from a heckler when they were actually supportive. She is rightfully angry, hurt, frenetic, etc. She had the mossad follow her. But I think she's still emotionally processing and I'm betting at some point she can stabilize. I don't think she's insane.
No, she is a drug addict. It's really that simple. Her attacks on Weinstein is so that she can get attention and get more drug money.
I’ll always love Rose McGowan! Always have and always will. Damn I’m so proud of her and I admire her strength. It takes real guts to stand tall for what is Right! Rock on Rose...
I felt her pain. It was authentic.
Not fake. Like me.
I am grateful for Rose. She shows us how sick the structures are that we live in.
Theresa Johanna well said
I love em both
You're kinda cute, Johanna. Just get rid of those glasses and I'm sure you'll be cuter. Wanna give me a massage, Johanna?
You think you are cute......sad fuckwit
Rose and Ronan changing the world consciousness, hopefully by 10%. Unbelievable interview. Amazing how the life of these two connected to help get us out of the matrix.
Woody was banished from the family when Ronan was around 5. Mia Farrow called Woody Allen’s sister, right after she discovered Soon-Yi and Woody were together, and she left an angry voicemail that said, “Woody took my daughter. Now I’m going to take his.” She then proceeded to brainwash Dylan into believing she was molested. The nanny witnessed Mia Farrow brainwashing Dylan, and videotaping it. Dylan would say: “No, daddy didn’t do it,” and Mia would repeatedly tell Dylan what had happened, until Dylan would finally say it. This is a form of child abuse and cruelty. When they eventually went to the cops, Dylan told the cops that Woody didn’t do it. Then Mia left with Dylan and took her to get ice cream, then they returned to the police station, and she told the police he did it. The police believed she was clearly being coached by Mia. Moses Farrow, who was around 15 at the time, saw the abuse of Mia Farrow and endured the abuse himself. He saw that Mia turned all the children against Woody. Moses expressed that he missed Woody and wanted to see him, and Mia slapped him across the face. Moses also saw a huge flaw in the fake story that Dylan continues to tell. Dylan describes a scene where Woody “lures” her up to an attic to play with a train set, then she alleges that Woody molested her. Moses says that that train set wasn’t up in the attic till years later. The entire thing is a lie that resulted from Mia’s intense rage toward Woody. She wanted revenge, and she used Dylan as a weapon to exact her revenge. The tragedy is that Dylan has had to endure the trauma of being a victim of sexual abuse, when in reality she’s a victim of psychological abuse and brainwashing from her mom. Obviously, Ronan was also a victim of brainwashing: He was raised to hate and despise Woody, as were all the children. Moses rebelled against this because he was old enough (15) to resist the brainwashing from Mia. Plus, he was old enough to get to know Woody before the brainwashing began.
Rose is, for the better or for worse is a lightning rod to bring out abusive predatory sexual behaviors to the forefront. For those who never lived a lifelong being abused as she did and so quick to judge on her wounded public behaviors, I wish they should slow down, put themselves in her shoes to imagine what would they or how would they behave in that circumstances. A little understanding and compassion for a wounded person would be much more helpful to the already highly fraught situation. I imagined Rose’s distrust and outbursts are the results of a long, lonely fight which she got beat down often and yet, she still stands and marching on. Ask yourself a question: Could you do that?
is a lightning rod to bring out abusive predatory sexual behaviors to the forefront.? And if she shut up and smiled al the time? Those abusive sexual predators would still rape and molest--only without being called out for it
@Jethro Tull Ok. Did you go to authorities right away?
And she's exactly right about people being stupid for asking why she didn't come out sooner. The lack of nuance in others is not her fault. Ambra Battilana Gutierrez is a perfect example of how we, our societies, have failed women and ourselves.
Harvey Weinstein Bwah-Ha-Ha-Ha!! If you are Harvey, the only surreal thing here is you still not accepting any responsibility for complete terror you wreaked on God-knows-who. It may be too late for you, but you should try taking Ms. McGowan's advice...be a better human being.
P.S. Work on the racism while you're at it...ugh.
@@harveyweinstein6346 Russia is that you
It's honourable to hear a man being supportive, the people in your world are lucky to have you. I hope your energy reverberates throughout the universe.
Gevian Dargan 👍🏻
@Jethro Tull Regardless of whether you are a male or not, you DON'T know what you are talking about. You DON'T know if she could have saved a lot of his future victims a lot of pain by reporting the rape when it happened, Why?? Because Ambra Gutierrez did report her assault when it happened; she confronted the man who assaulted her as a part of a law enforcement sting; and then they did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about it. This meant Weinstein, despite Ambra's best, brave, and courageous efforts, was enabled to continue hurting people. Your guilt is your own. I pray that you will one day be able to learn to forgive yourself for not doing what YOU think is the right thing to do. But don't for a second think that somebody doing the "right" thing won't be immediately and definitively undercut by the intellectual and moral laziness, as well as the greedy or cowardly self-interests, of others. It happens all the time, whether you want to believe or not.
Her affect reminds me of Judy Garland's. Judy's interviews were difficult for a different reason, but they were both victimized, and it ruled their lives. Funny and whip smart, both.
Emma Bradford good point well reasoned
Emma Bradford My sentiment exactly. The resemblance is uncanny.
Interesting comparison. You're right
Yes
@@camogrrl firstly I'm not disagreeing with the original comment here at all but you say "well-reasoned" and that seems really strange when the comment doesn't even seem to have any actual reasoning, or atleast that I can make out, like the person said the affect reminds them of Judy Garland And goes on to say how the interviews were difficult for different reasons but they both were victimized (which impacted their lives)& funny & smart, being victimized isnt something that like universally affects people the same way so that fact they are both victims doesnt seem like it actually explains anything about a shared affect unless it's actually explained what specifically is similar in their affect& how that's related to victimization(like idk they both show they are strong by not backing down from whatever or they both are fidgety like they have anxiety or they both use humor to deflect from emotion or whatever it is-these are totally made up but I'm just clarifying what I meant), & funny and smart is a quality shared by so many people that I don't really think it justifies such a specific link, like idk I mean I think they can be reasons why someone is reminded of the other or qualities they share but I don't really know that it actually reasons why in particular Judy Garland is who rose's affect resembles when the number of funny smart famous figures who are victims well exceeds just those two women, like I just dont think the reasoning is is actually made clear at all but idk maybe I'm wrong it just seems at least like it's not something that the term "well reasoned" seems fitting for, maybe because generally i think that well reasoned is something with heavier implications where the reasoning being consistent logical sound etc is more clear & important, like some political or philosophical stance or to explain some decision made or being made or whatever idk, rather than so and so reminds me of so and so because they are both funny smart victims, but idkkkk, whatever lol
Also i want to add ....if its THISSS HARD for grown women to have their stories believed ...imagine what innocent children go thru .....in being believed and in coming forward with abuse ....somthing to reallly think about !!!
That's a good point. It's impossible to win as a child when your adversaries are adults.
Holly Beasley-Ring something i think about a lot. I was and Still am that child that was silenced.
It goes deeeeeep that's why. Or rather high, right to the top of the monarchies, banks, corporations and yes political elite. It's going to topple everything when it finally does break.
Holly Beasley-Ring
What a fantastic comment, I think this should be attached to this so much more. It's so important. X
Em_xo xo Thank you ...and yes it should be more attached to this topic ...people might not want to hear about it BUT the children who have been abused would GAIN sooooo Much from being heard ....i mean look at the Larry Nasser case and the hundreds of victim impact statements ...those girls exhaled and anvil of weight off of them by being able to speak openly for once especially benefited by being able to confronting their abuser ..in court !!!!
When I was an awkward kid, and Rose (also a kid, i realize) seemed to have the world by the balls, I never would have believed that one day I would strongly identify with her. Or that this commonality of thought and experience and affect would be anything other than awesome. That it would in fact be excruciating, and a point of indictment. But I do think she's brilliant, and I think this interview is brilliant. And Ronan does a commendable job of both honoring and challenging his guest, and ensuring that she is not only heard, but understood.
Such a great discussion,. I was only going to watch the first ten minutes or so but ended up staying for the whole thing.
Bikini Burger, same here!
Some of these comments are insensitive, shallow, vile and willfully ignorant. Once again using the words "she needs help" or diminishing her violation/rape and pain to simply ridiculous personal politics in an attempt to make her seem crazy or somehow less legitimate is truly what's insane. She's already said on another show she used her money from Harvey W. to get therapy. I think instead of looking at her, seeing someone who may not be "behaving" how YOU might behave as a victim of that crime- YOU need to step out of that useless mindset and realize not all victims "behave" soft, weak and are sobbing in a corner for years.
She is brave and she was telling this for 20 years. Some of you are only just now hearing about it! She had to go through many phases of grieving for her former self. How she grieves is her prerogative. She is entitled to act how she feels- that is her right. When we put limitations on how we believe someone "should" act as a victim- we only contribute to bullying other victims into silence. That kind of stigma is what keeps other victims silent.
Some people here responding are the reason why rape victims fail to report. Because they feel shamed by not reacting the way some of you simpletons would. To reduce this devastating crime to personal politics shows how a few of you can't grasp that others don't behave as you would. Where is your sympathy, empathy? If you aren't part of the solution in identifying wrongdoings and trying to be progressive in your thoughts and making it easier for victims to come out- just be quiet- nobody needs your input.
What makes this so good is how difficult it is to listen to. He’s articulate & patient. She, under-stably is all over the place & unrelatable except possibly to those who’ve been raised in a cult, sexually assaulted & has had a career in the very unreal world of Hollywood. She is brave.
Unrelatable, like Megan
Wow! What a wonderful dialogue 💙 she is extremely aware and precious. He is an amazing interviewer!!! The language is incredible ... Very special video, thank you for sharing!!!
It's easy to see how badly shes affected by all the abuse she endured. So glad she's finally being heard. #rosearmy Kudos to Ronan for being such an amazing human bein despite being born and raised in such a toxic industry.
the thing she said about sanity is true.. i really wanted to write a book about my life and trauma experiences because i've lived an interesting life.. but to relive all that going back to the past again and again.. i think i'd lose it
I'm so sorry. 😢😢
I too thought about writing a book someday but I would lose it remembering too unfortunately.
I think, “don’t make your khaki, pleated pants brain my problem”, is the best saying ever.
Rose is right. I understand everything that she is saying and I agree.
Absolutely loved that bit!
Living under extremely stressful and frightening conditions from a child does tend to fuck you up. My heart goes out to her. Her abusers have robbed her of a healthy anxiety free life. Such a shame.
I love her I love her bravery, her Witt, her calmness, her mind, her humour,her tenacity.. all of her🇨🇦❤️💕
Judith so much the case, totally agree. Totally
You love the bravery of a woman who took one hundred thousand dollars of hush money from the man who she claimed sexually assaulted her.?She cared nothing about warning other women to stay away from him so they would not be victimized like she was. She never filed charges against him to make him accountable for his crime, and now twenty years later when her career has dried up, she comes out with this. That's brave to you?
@@davidsheriff9274 yes
@@cindyscheer3297 I guess you and I have a different definition of bravery.
She is quite right, most people are stupid and never think. Oh and big props to her on calling out female misogyny.
Ann Belmonti
Yes, this.
Thinking is hard people don’t want to be bothered not unless their lives are affected
@@dannym6552 yup, people are selfish. Only worried about their own lives and not the overall, bigger picture. They don’t care for others.
Rose speaks so poetically, a lot of times in prose.. It only now that I remember that I also love to watch dust dance in a beam of light.
This is a wonderful, perceptive discourse between two very intelligent, educated, articulate people. AND Ronan - you are one hell of a brave person too. (Hence 'et tu'). Here we get to see Rose at her most descriptive, reflective, illuminating, vulnerable. That metaphor about the curtain, brilliant. Isn't she just inspiring, brave?
Someone give Ronan Nobel Prize
For?
Woody was banished from the family when Ronan was around 5. Mia Farrow called Woody Allen’s sister, right after she discovered Soon-Yi and Woody were together, and she left an angry voicemail that said, “Woody took my daughter. Now I’m going to take his.” She then proceeded to brainwash Dylan into believing she was molested. The nanny witnessed Mia Farrow brainwashing Dylan, and videotaping it. Dylan would say: “No, daddy didn’t do it,” and Mia would repeatedly tell Dylan what had happened, until Dylan would finally say it. This is a form of child abuse and cruelty. When they eventually went to the cops, Dylan told the cops that Woody didn’t do it. Then Mia left with Dylan and took her to get ice cream, then they returned to the police station, and she told the police he did it. The police believed she was clearly being coached by Mia. Moses Farrow, who was around 15 at the time, saw the abuse of Mia Farrow and endured the abuse himself. He saw that Mia turned all the children against Woody. Moses expressed that he missed Woody and wanted to see him, and Mia slapped him across the face. Moses also saw a huge flaw in the fake story that Dylan continues to tell. Dylan describes a scene where Woody “lures” her up to an attic to play with a train set, then she alleges that Woody molested her. Moses says that that train set wasn’t up in the attic till years later. The entire thing is a lie that resulted from Mia’s intense rage toward Woody. She wanted revenge, and she used Dylan as a weapon to exact her revenge. The tragedy is that Dylan has had to endure the trauma of being a victim of sexual abuse, when in reality she’s a victim of psychological abuse and brainwashing from her mom. Obviously, Ronan was also a victim of brainwashing: He was raised to hate and despise Woody, as were all the children. Moses rebelled against this because he was old enough (15) to resist the brainwashing from Mia. Plus, he was old enough to get to know Woody before the brainwashing began.
He got the Pulitzer Prize apparently
I speak CULT --- this is the frame that we need to focus on, this is the unique perspective that rose provides
What does that even mean?
Beautiful conversation. Cried all the way and laughed in appropriate times also. I told my parents years after 2 rapes and my dad got mad a me and they shoved it under the rug. My life too has been different from all the rest and don’t know. My siblings are so normal and I... so out there. I don’t know what tree I fell from, but it was definitely in another forest.
Healing is a process. She is somewhere in the middle of the process. Yeah, you sound crazy - you go way, way out there - you HAVE to. But it is all truth. Sage or crazy lady, it is the truth. She is doing it in public. Bless her. Brave is what she is.
Thank you Rose for your bravery!! Thank you Ronan for your bravery and amazing journalism.
I really like McGowen. She's a smart cookie and a nice person.
Needy and narcissist
Song comes to my head "Seven Nation Army". Such a outrageous, eloquent warrior. She called out Milano way back. She knew "me too" was created by CAA and is being used as a veil for way more serious abominations. Rose, you are a blessing to real women around the world.
What an incredible interview. Thank you Rose and Ronan for speaking about this in all the ways you have because it is so needed. There are no perfect victims but all victims are perfectly victimized.
The systems of this world are based on lies from the deceiver and we are all victims of those lies.
Rose is a very very strong person, with a hard past (also present) and you can feel her anger. Props to Ronan, who ist so structured, calm and professional. He is so young, yet so determind - just like rose. You can feel passion with both of them.
I hate all the resistance in these comments. Place yourself/loved ones in positions, be more empathetic. And for the bigger page, spreading this message can only be positive!
What a powerful interview!!! I just love her for being true to herself.
She’s so convincing, when even her BLATANT LIES can fool a lot of people. You go Rose!!! Go destroy more innocent people.
Rose, I believe you 100%. You have my respect and love. Thank you for speaking out.
I am impressed with Rose McGowan's uniquely rich manner of expressing herself. Though I am only just beginning to absorb some of what she is talking about, already teachers like Ludwig Wittgenstein, Alan Watts and James Joyce come to mind. Rose seems to me to be promulgating new patterns of thinking and awareness. That is spot-on what interests me. So I bought the audio version of her book, 6+ hours, all spoken by Rose!
Ralph Dratman You're cool, Ralph.
I got the audiobook too :D
Anita Break, thank you for your kind words. After many years of thinking this over -- since I was an undergraduate at Berkeley in the late 1960s -- I've become convinced that helping to advance women's equality is the most important action most of us (male or female) will ever be able to take to help our civilization survive without destroying the planetary ecosystem. Bullying of women, minorities and other scapegoat groups goes to the heart of what is wrong with our way of living. We will never eliminate all of it, but each person can make a small difference.
@Ralph Dratman
Speaking as one of those minorities whom you're so keen to speak for, we've gone far beyond women's equality. Men have fallen behind in every single metric that's used to determine success and quality of life.
For example women are 60% of all college graduates, although the aren't the majority in STEM subjects I really don't care - because science doesn't become better science simply because of Vagina. Good ideas don't improve simply because of the person's skin colour.
If you want to talk about scapegoat groups, you really don't have to look any harder than straight white men. By the way your precious Feminism is ready to throw gay men under that exact same bus and now that I'm fully aware of Feminism's grubby little history, I don't think I'll be crawling back under that particular rock.
Also gay men, that aren't pathetic little deviants, want people like you to stop speaking for us. Nothing that you're saying on our behave is worth listening too.
GoAway LeaveMeAlone 1. With respect to scapegoating, in this discussion I was referring to physical bullying of women by men. Male/female social and educational issues are far more complex. 2. I did not write anything about gay men in this discussion, as far as I am aware.
Rose is the strongest most amazing woman!!! She has inspired me to speak up and find my voice! Bad people really don't like it at all!!!!! So hard to get over that fear but F it! Thank you Lady! You are moving mountains for us all! Thank you Rose and Ronan 💕
Both Rose and Ronan are two very strong and inspiring people. It's moving seeing two very brave, admirable people together like this. Thank You Rose and Ronan.
And - at that moment - you realise exactly what a beautiful creature Rose McGowen is - "I'm standing there - watching the dust dancing in the sunlight"
Thanks to Rose and Ronan for explaining the more personal aspects of this abuse of power saga.
Woody was banished from the family when Ronan was around 5. Mia Farrow called Woody Allen’s sister, right after she discovered Soon-Yi and Woody were together, and she left an angry voicemail that said, “Woody took my daughter. Now I’m going to take his.” She then proceeded to brainwash Dylan into believing she was molested. The nanny witnessed Mia Farrow brainwashing Dylan, and videotaping it. Dylan would say: “No, daddy didn’t do it,” and Mia would repeatedly tell Dylan what had happened, until Dylan would finally say it. This is a form of child abuse and cruelty. When they eventually went to the cops, Dylan told the cops that Woody didn’t do it. Then Mia left with Dylan and took her to get ice cream, then they returned to the police station, and she told the police he did it. The police believed she was clearly being coached by Mia. Moses Farrow, who was around 15 at the time, saw the abuse of Mia Farrow and endured the abuse himself. He saw that Mia turned all the children against Woody. Moses expressed that he missed Woody and wanted to see him, and Mia slapped him across the face. Moses also saw a huge flaw in the fake story that Dylan continues to tell. Dylan describes a scene where Woody “lures” her up to an attic to play with a train set, then she alleges that Woody molested her. Moses says that that train set wasn’t up in the attic till years later. The entire thing is a lie that resulted from Mia’s intense rage toward Woody. She wanted revenge, and she used Dylan as a weapon to exact her revenge. The tragedy is that Dylan has had to endure the trauma of being a victim of sexual abuse, when in reality she’s a victim of psychological abuse and brainwashing from her mom. Obviously, Ronan was also a victim of brainwashing: He was raised to hate and despise Woody, as were all the children. Moses rebelled against this because he was old enough (15) to resist the brainwashing from Mia. Plus, he was old enough to get to know Woody before the brainwashing began.
I like Ronan he is very compassionate 💫 and respectful...
I believe her 100% I also hope she get counseling....
This interview reminds me of something that a psychologist who works with victims of cults, and childhood abuse and victims of sexual trafficking told me me years ago. Anything, any feeling, any emotion that doesn’t look like love is fear. Anger is fear, sadness is fear, everything that doesn’t look like love is fear.
Rivka Shalvah Weiss his history explains that
Rivka Shalva Weiss - thank you so so much - you've just given me and my life a missing puzzle piece. I'm taking a screenshot, and trust the universe will repay you on my behalf with many blessings.
Jesus explains that!
This video interview of Rose McGowan-her journey, her insights, has so many brilliant, very important understandings that NEED to be heeded and learned from, so we can rise to be WHO WE REALLY are meant to be. Rose McGowan is BRAVE!!!! and has defied all odds!!! I see your bravery and your brilliance and the truth about ALL of us being in a cult (culture)...that oppresses WHO we are, while we protect those that do this to us, and will even attack anyone that speaks up to tell us the TRUTH. Bravo!
She's grand, magnificent and so brave!
Very POWERFUL....&
now I hang my head & WEEP.
#ME TOO
I believe every bit of her saying it took 20 years to get where she is with her story. She exudes strength and rebelliousness that would’ve taken a long time to achieve. She clearly has that “don’t f.... with me” attitude which serves her well when taking on not only the most powerful man in Hollywood, but also the snakes and the rot that lies hidden in that swamp of a town. Good on you Rose!!! Keep calling them out and applying the blow torch on those hypocrites that allowed this to happen.
Rose is so brave. God Bless her. Well look where we are now. Harvey's trail just starting.
I love Rose! I know she might not like this but she was my favorite Charmed actress, and the fact that she is such an advocate for human rights means the world to me. As a pre-teen I was abused by my mother's boyfriend, and as I got older again by my bosses husband and classmates, I went through numerous issues that I tried to speak about but was always shut down about. Thank you so very very much for sharing your stories and being a tremendous light, you have no idea how much it truly means to me ❤❤
She needs to CARE whether she’s believed. She DOES care....! I think she’s been abused many times!
Thank You Rose - you took the hit for all of us - THANK YOU!!
Rose is fascinating and stark. Rough and glowing all at the same time. Moving
That gangrene metaphor was brilliant.
Awesome interview. Thank God for two brave people. Mad props!
What an inspirational woman. I’m looking forward to reading brave. Everything she says resonates with me. What a huge thing she’s taken on. I so respect that. 🙏🙏🙏💗💗💗
Rose is such a brave beautiful woman. Thank you so very much for shining a light on a dark path and for stepping forward. You are inspiring!!
I believe here .
There
I love you Rose McGowan 🥰 sister to sister. You're simply Ah-mazing, a beautiful soul with a great mind . Your story has been an external affirmation of my thought, that a lot of mothers/ parents in the world don't know how to guide a beautiful and attractive girl or boy child. They shun away from letting their beautiful children know that they must watch out for the vampires who' always want to devour and steal their soul. People think vampire movies are just entertainment. And you and I and most women out there who are always preyed on know that vampire movies are based on true stories in life not the other way round. I think every parent should gift their children with your book and prepare them for this reality of life to prevent the harm. Your book can help us guard against vampires. It's not a dark read at all... It's a beacon in the side of life that is dark... It's a book every teenager, every mother, every father and every guardian should read ❣️ Thank you Rose and Ronan's crew 🙏🏾
Telling the truth and not being believed is crazy making.
She is obviously a traumatized woman. This woman is sometimes not very ‘likable’ and we should understand. She needn’t be likable-just like none of us need be. She makes excellent points, and has helped others. She has been through a lot and deserves respect.
Wow, what a brave soldier for truth. Thank you Rose for taking the hits. Xxx
“So, throughout your life, you’ve been abused by a lot of men”
Rose: “☝🏼& women, women too, they don’t get a pass”
👏🏼🙌🏼 Honestly, that kind of response from her is exactly why I admire, respect & trust her so damn much!! I’m a female from Australia & I’ve long known about the sleazy corruption within Hollywood & the Elites for many years. It was just so obvious to me even as a outsider, even with all the censorship & cover up’s, especially by mainstream media, which really only made me dig even more piecing things together. Censorship is only ever there to hide something. Although I’m a female myself & knew this was going on, on levels I knew people wouldn’t fathom, I still stopped following a lot of women’s stories ect when lots of stuff within Hollywood started coming out & my main reason for that, was feminism. Without going too long & deep, although I’m a female myself, I feel like when it’s made solely about women & the narrative all women within the elite circle are angels & the men are all devils doing all the bad stuff, I felt like it was totally deflecting away from the real truth. I see everyone as humans, not their gender, race or anything else & exactly like Rose has said & I long suspected, women are acting as minions for the elite men willingly. Women are greatly helping to entrap the victims & it works, because women seem so trustworthy. I’ve even heard her say that sometimes the women are even more sadistic & horrible than some of the men are!! I feel like Rose fully grasps oneness & how defining by gender or anything else only creates division & deflects away from a lot of it, it’s not getting to the root of the problem because both genders are involved in this machine!! Because of that & her way of explaining & exposing everything, the whole thing & not only that which exposes only the men, I feel like she is someone, where I genuinely feel like I can trust every word she says, know nothing is being left out or hidden & know that she has no biases between the genders. We’ll always get a raw truth that’s unfiltered & follows no narrative other than what it truly is. Kinda hard to put what I really mean into words but yeah. I just bought her book on my eReader too. Looking forward to reading it & I’ve been binge watching her interviews again. Got so much love & respect for her. Such an amazing human being!! 🥰🥰
What a young brave journalist! Keep on doing a great job.
She's so hurt, and understandably so, and so strong! Her hurt seems to trigger anger and inspired action to help create great change. I believe her.
Yeah, other than this completely false allegation against Alexander Payne, I wonder what other complete fabrications and falsehoods exist in her book. If there was a movie Alexander Payne directed for Showtime prior to Rose allegedly meeting him at age 15, that means it would be 1988 or before since she was born in 1973. Therefore, there would be paystubs and IRS Tax Forms, and an accounting trail. I have worked on a couple movie sets, and it’s required, as it is for any job that includes payments for work. These would have to be under Alexander’s name, even if the movie wasn’t, as Rose claims. Plus, there would have been dozens of people who worked on the film crew, as well as editors and producers. All of these people would have to be silent. There wasn’t a production, obviously, because Showtime would have no reason to hide all this information, and a crew of people wouldn’t be silent. Plus, there would be accountants and pay stubs and tax forms, not to mention the movie itself. Where is all this evidence? She’s lying. When people are faced with the reality of this lie being exposed, why do they double-down, like Rose has?
I love her. She is a warrior and a survivor. The amount of abuse she has endured, she was still able to use her voice, tell her story. Despite all the judgments. Rose you are a beautiful badass♥️♥️
I've never been that impressed with Ronan's journalism, but he excels as an interviewer. It's interesting how he's able to handle Rose: push her to explain her claims while still being respectful of her. I guess it wouldn't be possible if they didn't have a history.
creejay l did find his reporting rather dense and dry for the New York Times. Then l find out he was a lawyer. Oh, that makes so much sense, l thought to myself. Now he's moving onto bigger and better things. He's got a deal with HBO!
Whats their history?
mandy le,
Ronan is Rose’s CIA handler. /s
I'm endlessly admiring of his constant poise even for long or awkward and tense interviews.
A famous sociologist named Harold Garfinkel had the revolutionary idea to analize the norm by confronting it with crisis. No legal or moral rules should be broken, (since we have an exact protocol for these scenarios), but merely constitutive ones. He started simple: with a chess match. Before every move he exchanged his rooks. It's not a forbidden move, just an odd one. His oponent didn't know what to do with it. First he laughed, then he got annoyed and finally mad. Later, Harold Garfinkel went on to study gender, but not by watching women and men, who were born into it. He watched transgender (who, back then, weren't even called that yet). His sample was n=1, not quite representative... but he studied her (named Agnes) so thoroughly, that he revolutionized empirical sociology forever. Agnes had to figure out what seemed self-evident to most people: how to be one gender, rather than another. She had to abstract it from its essence and break it into pieces, such as expressions, gestures, vocal cords, fashion, behavioral patterns and so forth. It took her a long time and for quite a while she was slightly off. The nuances gave her away. She seemed more like a caricature of a woman than a "real" one, (whatever that is) and cis-gender people took offense in that. Georg Simmel, a historian and sociologist, didn't use the method of crisis-experiments, but he made similar observations for immigrants. They tried as hard as they could to immitate natives, but the nuances gave them away. Pierre Bourdieu found similar results for social climbers... So what do we do with these people? What can we take away from them? I believe, we have two choices: we can detect their deviances and doom them to failure, keep our system in tact and try as hard as we can to ignore them. Or we do what Harold Garfinkel would do: we exchange the norm for the crisis.
To me Rose McGowan is just that. She is the perfect crisis-experiment for media: clapping slightly too close to her microphone, speaking over the interviewer whenever she feels her idea should be heard just the way it came to her, making grand gestures that are meant for the massive audience, but seem strange on a small screen, talking about feelings in terms of colours and sci-fi-analogies. Rose McGowan isn't trained in perfection. She's trained in survival. We can either see her as flawed, as a victim, as weak, as strange, as outrageous, as fucking weird. Or we see us that way: our need for perfection, for splendid performances, our fear of friction, our disgust in anger (particularly in women!), our blindness and numbness to the world as it is: inherently constructed by humans and therefore reconstructable. Rose McGowan reminds me of me, of how I would behave in front of a crowd, a camera, an audience, an interviewer... I'd be fucking weird and that's good, 'cause it means we're not sociopaths. Rose is cinéma vérité.
Valhalla damn that’s good
Thank you for such a thoughtful, and thought provoking comment.
Ugh best comment on this video, by far.
Great that victims realize breaking the silence is part of the healing process and helps break the cycle.
Sinead O’Connor was deemed to have mental health problems when ,long before Rose McGowan or Me Too she told her story of incest and sexual abuse by catholic priests. No one came forward for her..she stepped forward by herself and gave her story and used her beautiful voice and talent as a songwriter to express her anguish. To this day she is still mocked.
She inspires women to speak out. That’s the key. She is strong. We need more women like her. I believe every woman has experienced some kind of sexual harassment or assault, including me. Please ALWAYS speak out! When people don’t believe you, continue! Somebody will listen.
I split watching this over 2 days and cried through the whole thing. So much respect to you both.
You just gotta love and admire this lady. Wonderful use of language, "I stood there, looking at the dust in the sunlight" - this is Rose McGowan - brilliant. All she's asking is that we try to be the best we can - 10% more - is that too much to ask - is it?
This woman I applaud for merely being alive ~ let me say this ... she’s been told for so long she is nothing, she’s been standing up for herself & rightfully so only to be slapped back down, so good for her . She is not stupid , quite the contrary , this woman has had to figure out how to survive since she was a kid ~ how very sad & it is right for her to be angry & her imagination & intelligence she used to bring awareness is absolutely what has saved her life .... she does not seem crazy to me , she seems like a brave woman who learned to navigate her messed up world the only way she could . No judgement here , I am amazed at the ability of anyone who can get through a childhood of abuse only to endure more ..
Rose described being constantly bombarded by unwanted sexual advances that begin at puberty. I am glad she brought that issue to light so maybe it will inspire a dialog about how those men unintentionally steal a girl's innocence bit by bit by doing so. Rose, you always have a place here during holidays with my family.
Rose is definitely the definition of brave 🌹