HorseShoe, West Side Mob & SSP been going down in numbers & territory, not to each other but to tech workers/gentrification. Willow Glen area is a desirable place for tech workers due to its proximity to Lincoln Ave and such. I know a lot of homeboys' families who sold their homes and bought huge properties in the Central Valley & the Central Coast. This is pre-Covid, but once the economy goes back to normal and tech companies start hiring big, it's gonna keep on going with gentrification.
1000% bro i made a video about this already i just havent dropped it yet but people fail to realize that gang banging isnt dying due to enemies its gentrification
Horseshoe is said to be the oldest "active" varrio in San Jo but Varrio Meadowfair is mentioned in the book East Side Dreams during the 1950's before author Art Rodriguez met Mad Dog in YA. Mad Dog de San Jo was the individual whose calcos (stacy's shoes) were stolen that resulted in the Shoe War in 1968. Mad Dog's flicka is depicted in the East Side Dreams book as the homeboy with a paño with SJ blasted on it. Mad Dog's cellie during the Shoe War was from Maravilla, this is well before Norte y Sur existed as we know it today. The other varrios that are still active and as old as VHS is Barrio Rio Seco, Varrio Meadowfair and El Hoyo Palmas. But the oldest varrios in San Jo were actually Varrio Sal Si Puedes which dates back to the 1800's and Varrio Jackson Kings, an offshoot within the same varrio which goes back to the Pachuco era 1920’s-1940’s when the Church of Guadalupe and Mayfair Cannery was built there. Today that varrio has the official name of Mayfiar, the name of the Cannery that was once there, and has varrios Varrio Virginia Trece 34th, Surenos Por Vida, Varrio Poco Way Locos, Varrio 33rd EHP, and Varrio Sanders (although I believe they dont have a new generation). El Hoyo Palmas has a unique history in that San Jo's first car club was New Style Car Club in 1974 in believe, repped the same colors as Palmas and members often rocked the P hat during the early years in the 70's. New Style Car Club was based out of the Palmas neighborhood, basically all the kids who went to Overfelt, New Style car club president Andy Douglas created the first hydralics kit in the country and he had several Andy's Hydraulics shops throughout Northern California, some also in SoCal.
Listo I've been slacking listening in mate ,but I'm binge watching my favourite upstater. Great video, cool snaps . Well done my boiiii. Respect from Dublin Ireland 🇮🇪 🤝
San Jose is the Mexican / Chicano stronghold of urban Northern CA so it attracted urban Chicanos from down South. That was pre North vs South gangbanging tho so hard to view that relationship thru modern lens 50+ yrs later. As the Norteño identity was exported from prison to the streets of Northern CA everybody in San Jo became Norteños of course and the bridges that Brown people built before that were broken .. which from a big picture perspective is sad but it is what it is. The famous “Walk Outs” in LA .. the test run was done in San Jose a year prior..the Chicano Rights Movement, Lowrider Culture etc brought a lot of raza from both ends of the state together and that was most noticeable in San Jo in the 60s - when there was barrio warfare but no colors / numbers. People coming up North from LA back then was like people from up North going to LA now .. no one was paying attention because they weren’t rivals they were foreigners to local beefs. Plus let’s be real LA was the Mecca for all things Chicano so it was cool to have Brown brothers and sisters come up to Northern CA and they liked it because San Jo was kind of like a new canvas where the idealism and activism could be used at the early stages of a big city instead of LA that was already large and politically entrenched and had competing interests from organized Black groups. Up here Black and Brown worked better together on common goals and plenty of young people wanting to be in the fight and the Academic Left at Berkeley etc..it was a dope era before these guys in prison f’ed it all up .. find some older San Jo gente and have *that* conversation 💯
WITH THE UPMOST RESPECT WHAT THE F WAS THIS HOLE LETTER PAGE COMMENT ABOUT DOUBLE S SOUTHSIDE TOOK OVER CALI AND THATS IT FROM THE STREETS FROM THE BORDER OF AZ TO OREGON US THE SOUTHSIDE TOOK IT LOL 😆 🤣 😂 ALL BLUE SIMPLE NO NEED FOR ALL THE LONG PAGE COMMENT
I heard this from my 85 year old man and he told me when he was a young buck used to hang out there at the park at Virginia and Delmas and he would wear a vest with a logo that says Los Lobos he said some years past they close the street that ran through the park and made it u-shape and then they started calling it horseshoe so like I said this guy was there 70 years ago when he was 15
No disrespect carnal but HORSESHOE started up north in the 70's the homies that started HS lived in Pico Rivera before San Jo. I sold them one of our sweatshirts to give them the pattern maybe ask your oldest homeboys if they still have the original sweatshirt it even has the marijuana leaf in the middle of the HORSESHOE if I can find a picture I'll post it
@@richardgonzales5838 what is the point in asking? He gave some history on that hood. So let’s say someone from down south started vhs in SJ, then how do you explain how they claim to have went by Los lobos before that? A vet gotta come break it down, no third person stories like @upstatepov
Horse Shoe in their prime Mid 1970’s to Early 1980’s were untouchable. They aligned with no one. Many of their well known hitters became “NF” and the others died. VHS is almost comparable to ELA’s ( White Fence ) the Mob, WS Ganga & Libre came much later.
Listo saludo homie the varrio HORSESHOE IN LOS IS NOT CALLED HS RIVERA...ITS JUST CALLED VARRIO HORSESHOE THE ONLY NAMES WE PUT AFTER HS WAS OUR CLICKS..THATS IT.. SOMETIMES HOMIES WOULD SAY HS PICO RIVERA BECAUSE THEY WERE IN THE JOINT..PICO RIVERA IS THE CITY were in.. UR RIGHT.. WE DIDNT GET ALONG WITH THE surrounding hoods..WE CAN Collab I can let you know more about the history..HMU.. C/R listo
My primo is from HS in Pico. So I was told before all the north-south was a thing some HS members moved up there from down south. The HS in SJ was up there, so they ended up being nortenos. I was also told by Northerners it was because of their parking lot shape at their park in San Jo.
In these pics at Biebrach Park ( VHS ) members of VST are seeing with VHS. This was rare to see VST there. Randazzo (VHS) was friends with VST and later South Side Ganga. They only had ( day use privilege’s )😂
THATZ HOW YOU KNOW UPSTATE SOUTHSIDE NEVER BEEN IN THE GAME THAT LONG WHEN IT COMES TO NORTHERN CALIFAS LOL THEY THINK VHS IS THE OLDEST HOOD UP HERE NO MMS🤣😅😭
I am from ESS known as East Side StocktoNe. Our roots date back to the 1930s when East Side Stockton was called Barrio Chivo. And then during the 1940s and 1950s South Side Stockton was known as "Dog Patch" and were Rivals to the Chivos. To the homie Upstater. Last year in 2023 they had an exhibit for barrio chivo and they are planning to do another one in 2024. You're more than welcome to come and check it out this year. A friendly environment for Raza to preserve historia ✊🏾
@@claudiaclaudia936 Oh yes, I got a lot of respect for The Crow Valley Boys. O.G. Zuly, Big Emiliano, Joe Villa, Fonzo G, and Mop ✊🏾 As a matter of fact I'm related to LiL Emiliano through his mom my cousin (Liz)
I know some of the dudes from horseshoe in pico Rivera …. There hoods in the middle of pico viejo pico nuevo and Jardins neighborhood….. horseshoe gets along with pico nuevo because lil travieso from horseshoe and spek from pico nuevo brothers
@@UpstatePOV yeah but pico Riveras not even really that active … that whole city kinda went threw like a gentrification and it’s the highest taxed city in Los Angeles county so there cops be on it ahaha
@@robertgonzales5038 oh please travieso lil Timmy used to hang out with pico nuevo more than horse shoe ….kiki used to literally go buy weed in Los toros in pico nuevo … champ that giant dude was always with pico nuevo too …. Bullet used literally lives on Los toros and used yo hang out with them too …. Big travieso and stoner used to hang out all the time
Oldest homie Gang in North Hayward 🏚️is A Street (late 60s) , Princeton st , Ramos Ave , Royal Ave ( all early 70s / early 80s ) , D st (late 90s) , Longwood Ave (80s) , and back in the day South Garden was Homie territory until a Eme figure from LA or I think parolled from Tracy moved into Hayward late 70s and early 80s became a Southern Gang . But when the east bay , Hayward was 415 area code all of North Hayward was Northerners till the mid - Late 90s early 2000s when B street 13 & South Garden Ave became a issue until mid 2000s and early 2010s that’s when B street died out but they still a lil pocket of Surenos on S. garden but Old niggas n some lil niggas but I’m not gon sugar coat it they ain’t a factor anymore but every now n then we bump into niggas n get off
It was 4-5 brothers. The older brothers were born in Mexico. They moved to West Side in the early 70's (maybe late 60's) and went to Willow Glen. They were not banging Sur or "surenos", but technically were. But they started their varrio by knocking on doors and didnt start as a gang but more of kick it varrio. They went head to head with the strongest varrios from the ES, and eventually gained the respect as the strongest hood in SJ. Which was unheard of for the West Side. But the older OG's wear red, eventhough the brothers always stayed neutral. East side has older hoods tho.
No such thing as North and South during that time, despite popular belief, North and South didn't arise from the Shoe War. There was plenty of Raza from Southern California that organized against the Eme in 68. It had nothing to do with region. It had more so to do with ideology. North and South didn't kick off until after Cheyenne's passing in 72 when false propaganda was used to smear the organization as solely a northern California group, that was never the case. The Norteno movement kicked off in prison in the 80s and slowly made its way out the the calles but all varrios didn't fully fall in line until the mid to late 90s. The Sur was similar in that they weren't an official thing out in the calles until 92 during the No Drive Bys and taxing campaign, hence why some varrios like Maravilla resisted and chose not to ride as Surenos until a decade later. Upstate was not official until the early 2000s despite Southsiders banging Sur well before that, many weren't tapped in and on board officially until the early 2000s. Despite popular belief, North and South is still fairly new compared to the barrios that were already here decades before they ever heard of a rivalry between North and South
@@robertgonzales5038 but Southern Cali as a whole didn't fall in line until 92 with many varrios resisting during the 90s. So it's unfair to call people Surenos when during the same time, many familianos were from the South yet they were not Surenos. i.e. Tarzan de Pomona 12 Street Sharkies who repped his varrio proudly until his passing yet was never a Sureno.
@@robertgonzales5038Yes they were born in Mexico, raised in East LA, moved to Pico for a couple years, & then moved up to San Jo when they were about 15 yrs old. Straight gangsters too. Horseshoe even made front page on San Jose Mercury News about a HUGE "brawl" they got into at the Jack N the Box on the east against the biggest hood on the east. Not sure what hood tho.. Whoever knows, let me know. They closed off the street after they established the name Varrio Horseshoe.
Dosnt really matter who’s the oldest tbh all that matters is San Jo is Norte territory and always has been . Surenos snuck into the west while the Horseshoe and the Mob were at war . The low income housing is full of immigrant families which make it easy to recruit and is the only reason the sur still holds a presence. Easy to gang bang in Northern Territory when your gang don’t require you to be outside . San Jo is big and gentrification plays a huge part in the struggle of being a gang in San Jo also💯
The whole thing about the low income housing if full of immigrants was a thing back then now days you have chicanos, African Americans etc.. now days alot of the sur hoods have dudes that can’t even speak Spanish lol that I didn’t even know who’s who most of this youngster on both sides look the same but yeah back then most sur hoods had mostly paisas. your right tho San Jose well always be Norte territory.
So what you’re saying and by your logic, the SS Homies were smart enough and took advantage of the conflict that VHS and The mob were having in order to plant their flag. I’m curious if the SS homies used the same tactic to plant their flag in other northern cities 🤔. There’s plenty of info and pictures on the web that show señores from down south congregating all over northern Califas since the late 60s and have been doing business up north ever since.
I think SS in my town (Oakland) mostly died out due to several reasons: 1) Norte and BB pressed them from all sides during the peak of the gang wars in the mid 00s 2) Gentrification made it more expensive to live in Oakland (so paisas who were south siding couldn't afford to move in) 3) When Mexican paisas mostly stopped coming to Oakland they were replaced by indigenous Guatemalan people and in their culture it isn't an automatic that the kids are just gonna start claiming "Mexico 13." I've noticed that most of the Guatemalan kids tend to do well in school and don't get easily sucked into gangs, North, South or BB.
Oldest homie gang is The Fruit Stand Gang in Salinas East Side ( s.e.s ) old skool shit my mom mom from that shit SES N my grandma from my grandma side from the Fruit Stand Market st
But back then it wasn’t considered a sure no or originally a sureno varrio or homie hood it was All chicano shit back then till the 80s but ong a lot of Older Chicanos Cholos or homies or homeboy hood have originally started with people from down south moving up north and developing n help start hood and varrios here with Chicano’s born here
Just like Loma Bakers that hood used to be A Norteno hood in Bakersfield that’s why Colonia and Loma bakers still beef today although they are both sureno hoods
Horse shoe is not rhe oldest neighborhood to come out of sj they're 1 of the top 3 oldest in san jo. but in northern California they are definitely not the oldest and the fact you kept saying oldest "norteno" hood just doesn't fit because none of thesehoods that were here before the 80s were really norteno hoods let alone sureno hoods maybe they had certain members that were coming home from the pen that were starting to identify as either or but as a whole i doubt they were labeling they're hood as that. I feel you miss labeled your video 🤷♂️
Damn upstaters don’t know anything about the calles up here 😂🤦🏻♂️ the oldest hoods NEVER derived from the south. Barrio Chivo aka Eastside Stocktone from the 1930’s, Sal Si Puedes 1940’s. Jackson Kings from SJ came about in the 1940’s, El Hoyo Palmas de SJ 1970’s. SFM from the 1940’s, Varrio Perry Heights de Corco 1960’s, El Campo de Ceres 1950’s, Youth Gone Wild de Delano 1960’s, Barrio Westside Modesto 1970’s, Varrio Chicano aka Varrio Southside Modesto 1970’s, Salinas East Marketa 1970’s, Northside Castro 1940’s, Colonia Maravilla aka Capitol Park Locos 1960’s, Soledad Vatos Locos 1960’s, Northside Watson Locos 1970’s etc
The realest comment on here. To add on Oakland hoods from the 30-60's still active (Jingletown, Untouchable Varrio 60's, 36th, 38th, E.15th ave) there's more.. Fog Town Daly City, East Side Daly City 70's.. still strongly active..Cypress Park (South San Francisco) 70's-early 80's,
@@Yutbr800 Oh yup! I forgot about the East/West Bay! Fog Town goes way back. Cypress Park Locos de South City. Eastside Mara & Little México Ganga. SFM, 41st Pyschos, East 15th Locos aka Quince Clique, Varrio Grande Decoto, Barrio Old Alvarado. More in the 209 too, Central Stocktone Locos, Pilgrim Street, Loretta Court Vatos, Varrio Ghost Town de Galtone, Night Owls de Modesto, Varrio Lemas aka BPN, Poros Most Dangerous (when all Poros was one hood), Varrio Farmas Catorce, much love !
Correction, VHS WSSJ developed out of the Chicano community surrounding Del Monte Cannery. And North and South were strictly a prison thing that resulted after the death of Cheyenne and false propaganda spread by informant Mundo who takes credit for instigating what resulted in Cheyenne's death and the slur "farmero" to isolate the organization to Northern California which was never true. The Norteno movement didn't become official in prison until the 80s and the barrios didnt fall in line until the mid to late 90s. Surenos werent official until 1992 during the taxing and no drive bys campaign. Upstate wasnt official until possibly early 2000s when Upstate Sureno became the official title and fall in line unlike previously where they were just wearing blue and gang banging.
With that said, you can not call anyone a Norteno or Sureno on the calles especially during the 70s and 80s because those ideals how we see them today were not fully developed. They were prison movements that didn't really hit the streets until decades later despite popular belief.
I ran across your video about Horse Shoe , I grew up in Pico Rivera and HS didn’t start until the late 60s same as Pico Nuevo , the other Neighborhoods have an earlier beginning but where not here to talk about them. HS is a very small hood the only time they had some numbers was in the middle 70s but they dropped because most of the recruiting was being done in JR high school and HS would get jumped because other local gangs controlled the schools and the recruiting, you couldn’t go ti school if you claimed HS without getting beat up so no one would get in until they dropped out or graduated school then they claimed there hood. I knew a lot of them but that neighborhood almost gone not too many left . Gangs in LA county’s are not as big like before although there still there and doing their thing, and yes HS started in Pico and a family moved up north and started it up over there , I never thought it would turn into a Norteno hood but it’s all good it is what it is .
You seem to know lots of inside information (false) like you been there before. First off when this started ( HORSESHOE ) late 60' s it was deep not only Jr HS there was homies that were out of school already as far as getting beat up on I don't know where you got your info you're ( probably an undercover enemy) 🤔🤨🤨 HS might of been small in numbers but every scuffle HS got involved in they always came out on top except once . People that got out of HS there reasons were not because they were young, ( there was also members in elementary school ) , they got on when the banging started to WEAK I'm thinking . Thats what happens when gangs let anyone in I think I was good when banging started it allowed to weed out the wannabes , I don't know what you've been smoking 🚭 but nobody ever got jumped in school if you're referring to the fight at North Park Jr HS the HORSE GANG beat the crap out of the DUMP . I know personally. If you comment be sure you're saying the TRUTH!!🤨🤨
Checking in from San Jose California.....please folks start buying homes for our RAZA....this ERA was cool but gone..the red and blue....others are buying homes and kicking out families out of SAN JOSE..EAST,WEST,SOUTH,NORTH.......BUY your home....I'VE seen what happened to ECHO PARK....it's so hip...no more latinos...no more ExParque...its trendy..
El hoyo palmas is the oldest varrio norteno wise to first come up in san jo, then the Horseshoe so on and so forth. All the rest came when gang banging and cruising king / story evolved. I'm from the 1st generation VHS. Libre Was not a factor in that time. There was west side Ganga varrio burbank,and Libre. ONLY hoods from the west. When varrio Libre got dismantled by the city,then that's when they the west side mob took over Libre and it's foundation and that's how the mob started. The first generation VARRIO HORSESHOE WAS STARTED CIRCA .... 1975 HENCE. ALL THE HOMIES THAT ARE STILL ALIVE,IN THE PINTAS,OR DEAD, SHOULD ALL BE WELL INTO THERE 60'S N 70'S AGE RANGE.ANY YOUNGER THEN THAT ,STARTS A NEW GENERATION EVERY TEN YEARS. BEFORE THE HS WAS CALLED THE BIEBRACH ZOO. BIKE CLUB CALLED " LOS VAGOS" ALL THE PARTICIPANTS THAT WERE IN THIS BIKE CLUB WITH LETTERS EVOLVED IN THE HORSHOE GANGA WHEN THEY REMODELED THE PARK AND THE SYMETRY OF THE VARRIO,THAT THEN IN TIME WAS DUBBED THE HORSESHOE.GOT TO BE SO VAST AND WIDE THAT EVEN THE MAYOR JANET GREY HAYES WENT CRUISING IN THE SHOE. MY VARRIO WAS BIG IN THE DAY,GOT TORCIDO ,GONE FIVE YEARS IT WAS MASSIVE ALOT OF HENTE CLAIMING VHS.
To keep it real all them hoods in L.A in the late 1800s and early 1900s and 20s 30s was all hoods that was Whites like Italian Polish Irish jews hoods. Not to many Mexicans back then. Then Mexicans ended up being part of and taking over in the late 40s 50s. Like Dog Town that is the oldest and still active hood in Southern California was white first! Thats My older cousin hood I have a lot of Southern California real South Siders from down there. From. East Lake, Lincoln Heights, East L.A l, El Monte, El Sereno Big Hazard, Dog Town. None up here! We all Northern Chicanos North Siders. We keep it real on our side, we rep what side of California we from none of that wannabe shit. But yep all them old hoods was from American White Europeans first. A few Mexican hoods came a long in the mid 30s.
Like I heard supposedly Tortilla Flats 14 n Hayward was Originally started by The tortilla flats 13 from Compton but tortilla flats in Hayward first was brought up in the late 70s supposedly the story is Compton people moved up north to the Bay Area in Hayward and moved into the south Hayward area n started a tortilla flats gangs with Chicano’s from Hayward I heard
Just rumors people start, just because they hear of a neighborhood called Tortilla Flats in Hayward and then they think they can make up stories. Those aren’t even the only towns with a neighborhood called that, there’s even a book called Tortilla Flats based on Monterey.
It’s old but no the oldest. In Sanger, Varrio Sanger 13 & Varrio Chankla 14 been around since the 1960’s BEFORE the South North split, I heard some Stockton northern hoods been around since the 30’s too, same with SJ and SF
HORSESHOE BLOCK HAS NOTHIBG TO DO WITH SURENOS NORTENOS STARTED THAT NABORHOOD YOU JUST WANT PEOPLE TO THINK THAT IF COMES FROM THE SOUTH HAHAHAHAHA 🔴🔴🔴🔴
Horseshoe is dead gentrification kicked them out there hood, no one from VHS lives in there hood, they should of thought years bck about relocating different area
Lol they mainline and y’all called truce even tho y’all outnumber us 5 to 1 so what that say about y’all lol besides eme originals had dudes from SF and other northern regions
@@UpstatePOV saying a norteno gang started out as a sureno gang you a real fool. Did you know upstaters were the first surenos? LA copied y’all look everyone this is the man 👏
@@joshica5006 was the gang not started by surenos who relocated to san jose? Was horse shoe not being hit up on the wall as HS13? Stop being so sensitive it is what it is facts are facts the original horse shoe is from southern california wether you like it or not
Still a norteno city though some days you Mfs can’t go out because they deep as fuck out there every time I’m there all I see is red on UA-cam all I see is blue 😂
@@yvanbeenhim nobody really uses the term central for San Jose, except for some lil exceptions. Especially when it comes to this topic, it’s always about a side.
Lol how when y’all called truce and cease fire and outnumber us 5 to 1 that says more about y’all than us outnumber and and still had to respect it enough to call truce and we still growing how y’all big brother but act like little brother no discipline and y’all get high on balloons
The same way a lot eme originals are from SF and other northern regions yall followers don’t even know SF have Hispanic hoods that are older than LA people forget SF was an established city long before LA. The Mission is San Francisco is Hispanic neighborhood first neighborhood in SF and founded in 1776 nice try SF is older than LA. Nice try scrap now go get high on some balloons like you knock ass scraps like to do lmfao 😂
Where the lil youngster Norte goofys tagging on willow st get caught levas in the west side of San Jose the Sureños run it trucha even Listo tubby knows what sup Essj to Wssj x3 🇲🇽🦈🔵👌
Westside ran by WSM (San Carlos Boys, Varrio Alma Locos, Varrio Libre) & Varrio Horseshoe. Very strong presence. Cinco de Mayo we’ll see who’s more outside in 2024.
Explain to me how an Og from horseshoe hit me up to make this video and got most of my information from him, is lying 😂 why would he have to lie about his own varrios history 💀😂
HorseShoe, West Side Mob & SSP been going down in numbers & territory, not to each other but to tech workers/gentrification. Willow Glen area is a desirable place for tech workers due to its proximity to Lincoln Ave and such. I know a lot of homeboys' families who sold their homes and bought huge properties in the Central Valley & the Central Coast. This is pre-Covid, but once the economy goes back to normal and tech companies start hiring big, it's gonna keep on going with gentrification.
1000% bro i made a video about this already i just havent dropped it yet but people fail to realize that gang banging isnt dying due to enemies its gentrification
And the fact that property tax just keeps going up I mean who wants to pay $12,000 a year for property tax
Yup I couldn’t believe Google was trying to buy Willow st area
Where are the youngsters tagging by Willow St both sur and norshit I seen X3 Infront of Martha kitchen church full homeless 😂
@@Sweetersweet2006Martha kitchen church said not here the willows st full of homeless people
Horseshoe is said to be the oldest "active" varrio in San Jo but Varrio Meadowfair is mentioned in the book East Side Dreams during the 1950's before author Art Rodriguez met Mad Dog in YA. Mad Dog de San Jo was the individual whose calcos (stacy's shoes) were stolen that resulted in the Shoe War in 1968. Mad Dog's flicka is depicted in the East Side Dreams book as the homeboy with a paño with SJ blasted on it. Mad Dog's cellie during the Shoe War was from Maravilla, this is well before Norte y Sur existed as we know it today. The other varrios that are still active and as old as VHS is Barrio Rio Seco, Varrio Meadowfair and El Hoyo Palmas. But the oldest varrios in San Jo were actually Varrio Sal Si Puedes which dates back to the 1800's and Varrio Jackson Kings, an offshoot within the same varrio which goes back to the Pachuco era 1920’s-1940’s when the Church of Guadalupe and Mayfair Cannery was built there. Today that varrio has the official name of Mayfiar, the name of the Cannery that was once there, and has varrios Varrio Virginia Trece 34th, Surenos Por Vida, Varrio Poco Way Locos, Varrio 33rd EHP, and Varrio Sanders (although I believe they dont have a new generation). El Hoyo Palmas has a unique history in that San Jo's first car club was New Style Car Club in 1974 in believe, repped the same colors as Palmas and members often rocked the P hat during the early years in the 70's. New Style Car Club was based out of the Palmas neighborhood, basically all the kids who went to Overfelt, New Style car club president Andy Douglas created the first hydralics kit in the country and he had several Andy's Hydraulics shops throughout Northern California, some also in SoCal.
Listo I've been slacking listening in mate ,but I'm binge watching my favourite upstater. Great video, cool snaps . Well done my boiiii. Respect from Dublin Ireland 🇮🇪 🤝
What you doing in Ireland man ? You a native there ?
San Jose is the Mexican / Chicano stronghold of urban Northern CA so it attracted urban Chicanos from down South. That was pre North vs South gangbanging tho so hard to view that relationship thru modern lens 50+ yrs later. As the Norteño identity was exported from prison to the streets of Northern CA everybody in San Jo became Norteños of course and the bridges that Brown people built before that were broken .. which from a big picture perspective is sad but it is what it is. The famous “Walk Outs” in LA .. the test run was done in San Jose a year prior..the Chicano Rights Movement, Lowrider Culture etc brought a lot of raza from both ends of the state together and that was most noticeable in San Jo in the 60s - when there was barrio warfare but no colors / numbers. People coming up North from LA back then was like people from up North going to LA now .. no one was paying attention because they weren’t rivals they were foreigners to local beefs. Plus let’s be real LA was the Mecca for all things Chicano so it was cool to have Brown brothers and sisters come up to Northern CA and they liked it because San Jo was kind of like a new canvas where the idealism and activism could be used at the early stages of a big city instead of LA that was already large and politically entrenched and had competing interests from organized Black groups. Up here Black and Brown worked better together on common goals and plenty of young people wanting to be in the fight and the Academic Left at Berkeley etc..it was a dope era before these guys in prison f’ed it all up .. find some older San Jo gente and have *that* conversation 💯
I need this in a video rascal! Haha talk your shit homie 🤝🏼💯😂
Salinas stands next to san jose when it comes to mexicano cultura. Its just sad they worship a coconut
@@kingeleven3820Isn’t that what your big homies do ? In the pen? You vatos sharing your comida/cobijas with woodz
Lies San Jose full of chinos and middle eastern arabes and central Americans all California turning into Chiapas Mexico chalez 😂
WITH THE UPMOST RESPECT WHAT THE F WAS THIS HOLE LETTER PAGE COMMENT ABOUT DOUBLE S SOUTHSIDE TOOK OVER CALI AND THATS IT FROM THE STREETS FROM THE BORDER OF AZ TO OREGON US THE SOUTHSIDE TOOK IT LOL 😆 🤣 😂 ALL BLUE SIMPLE NO NEED FOR ALL THE LONG PAGE COMMENT
I heard this from my 85 year old man and he told me when he was a young buck used to hang out there at the park at Virginia and Delmas and he would wear a vest with a logo that says Los Lobos he said some years past they close the street that ran through the park and made it u-shape and then they started calling it horseshoe so like I said this guy was there 70 years ago when he was 15
Yeah they used to go by Los Lobos before horseshoe, so this other side of the story doesn’t add 🆙
No disrespect carnal but HORSESHOE started up north in the 70's the homies that started HS lived in Pico Rivera before San Jo. I sold them one of our sweatshirts to give them the pattern maybe ask your oldest homeboys if they still have the original sweatshirt it even has the marijuana leaf in the middle of the HORSESHOE if I can find a picture I'll post it
@@richardgonzales5838 what is the point in asking? He gave some history on that hood. So let’s say someone from down south started vhs in SJ, then how do you explain how they claim to have went by Los lobos before that? A vet gotta come break it down, no third person stories like @upstatepov
Horse Shoe in their prime Mid 1970’s to Early 1980’s were untouchable. They aligned with no one. Many of their well known hitters became “NF” and the others died. VHS is almost comparable to ELA’s ( White Fence ) the Mob, WS Ganga & Libre came much later.
Tito was my uncle. He was from Horse Shoe varió and an old pinto NF member.
@@angelirias-ol7xk my brother was Randazzo Vidal, he did 40yrs.
Nice putting it Down .Im from my Varrior Horse shoe West Side and Always will be.The Picture from all my Carnales at the Park..
Tito was my uncle. He was from Horse Shoe varió and an old pinto NF member.
Listo saludo homie the varrio HORSESHOE IN LOS IS NOT CALLED HS RIVERA...ITS JUST CALLED VARRIO HORSESHOE THE ONLY NAMES WE PUT AFTER HS WAS OUR CLICKS..THATS IT.. SOMETIMES HOMIES WOULD SAY HS PICO RIVERA BECAUSE THEY WERE IN THE JOINT..PICO RIVERA IS THE CITY were in.. UR RIGHT.. WE DIDNT GET ALONG WITH THE surrounding hoods..WE CAN Collab I can let you know more about the history..HMU.. C/R listo
Born and raised WSSJ early 90s was cracking with that RCF NEAR STOKES st!! We rep all San jose! Sharkterosssss
My primo is from HS in Pico. So I was told before all the north-south was a thing some HS members moved up there from down south. The HS in SJ was up there, so they ended up being nortenos. I was also told by Northerners it was because of their parking lot shape at their park in San Jo.
Who's ur primo I'm from hs
The homies that moved to SJ started HORSESHOE who's your primo
Even tho you’re an upstater I really like ur channel….much love from The D1rty W4terz
Appreciate that homie 💯🤝🏼
He a Drop out SJ Sureño 😂
@@Bigcarnal123 whos a drop out cesar m stop lying im not you or your rat ass brothers 😂
@@UpstatePOVyou said it yourself u don't bang anymore bruh chill 😊
@@Bigcarnal123 you still a rat 😂
I knew this Bideo would ruffle some feathers 😂
In these pics at Biebrach Park ( VHS ) members of VST are seeing with VHS.
This was rare to see VST there. Randazzo (VHS) was friends with VST and later South Side Ganga. They only had ( day use privilege’s )😂
Vicky'S Town 13
THATZ HOW YOU KNOW UPSTATE SOUTHSIDE NEVER BEEN IN THE GAME THAT LONG WHEN IT COMES TO NORTHERN CALIFAS LOL THEY THINK VHS IS THE OLDEST HOOD UP HERE NO MMS🤣😅😭
Did i not say “correct me if im wrong i cant stamp this to be a fact” ? 💀😂 sensitive ass hyna
@Upstate Point of View ever heard of MS in San Jo
I am from ESS known as East Side StocktoNe. Our roots date back to the 1930s when
East Side Stockton was called
Barrio Chivo.
And then during the 1940s and 1950s South Side Stockton was known as "Dog Patch" and were Rivals to the Chivos.
To the homie Upstater.
Last year in 2023 they had an exhibit for barrio chivo and they are planning to do another one in 2024. You're more than welcome to come and check it out this year. A friendly environment for Raza to preserve historia ✊🏾
Yes sir 💯 facts
I got a older homie from Stockton crow valley boys ..
Filipinos started the Blaka bird!!! >in Stockton!
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Thank You carNa ✊🏾
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Oh yes, I got a lot of respect for The Crow Valley Boys.
O.G. Zuly, Big Emiliano, Joe Villa, Fonzo G, and Mop ✊🏾
As a matter of fact I'm related to LiL Emiliano through his mom my cousin (Liz)
Hey can do a profile on Varrio Little Town South Side San Jo
One more thing one of the homies sent a post , I didn't notice till I read his comment , the neighborhood is just Varrio HORSESHOE 13
I know some of the dudes from horseshoe in pico Rivera …. There hoods in the middle of pico viejo pico nuevo and Jardins neighborhood….. horseshoe gets along with pico nuevo because lil travieso from horseshoe and spek from pico nuevo brothers
Oh okay right on gracias for clarifying that homie 💯
@@UpstatePOV yeah but pico Riveras not even really that active … that whole city kinda went threw like a gentrification and it’s the highest taxed city in Los Angeles county so there cops be on it ahaha
Rip travi but we ain't cool like you think VHSR
@@robertgonzales5038 oh please travieso lil Timmy used to hang out with pico nuevo more than horse shoe ….kiki used to literally go buy weed in Los toros in pico nuevo … champ that giant dude was always with pico nuevo too …. Bullet used literally lives on Los toros and used yo hang out with them too …. Big travieso and stoner used to hang out all the time
@@robertgonzales5038 did u go to Tim’s funeral ? Dude pops literally has kids with Sabrina travi’s sister
Break it all down homie
I fuck wit your Videos g
Oldest homie Gang in North Hayward 🏚️is A Street (late 60s) , Princeton st , Ramos Ave , Royal Ave ( all early 70s / early 80s ) , D st (late 90s) , Longwood Ave (80s) , and back in the day South Garden was Homie territory until a Eme figure from LA or I think parolled from Tracy moved into Hayward late 70s and early 80s became a Southern Gang . But when the east bay , Hayward was 415 area code all of North Hayward was Northerners till the mid - Late 90s early 2000s when B street 13 & South Garden Ave became a issue until mid 2000s and early 2010s that’s when B street died out but they still a lil pocket of Surenos on S. garden but Old niggas n some lil niggas but I’m not gon sugar coat it they ain’t a factor anymore but every now n then we bump into niggas n get off
I seen B steet crossing yall/D out at that liquor store by groomsman not that long ago, looks like they still around?
Pico Nuevo also established in AZ with the gente having ties to So Cal and one of the vatos becoming a señor for the AZ MM.
Thats how a lot of neighborhoods branch out to different cities all it takes is one person relocating
Que rifa la HORSE SHOE we gave all them hoods the blues 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
“Jackson Kings” pre-Dates VHS.
You should do hoods with secondarily colors and symbols
Wtf 😂😂😂😂😂 that’s lame and irrelevant
It was 4-5 brothers. The older brothers were born in Mexico. They moved to West Side in the early 70's (maybe late 60's) and went to Willow Glen. They were not banging Sur or "surenos", but technically were. But they started their varrio by knocking on doors and didnt start as a gang but more of kick it varrio. They went head to head with the strongest varrios from the ES, and eventually gained the respect as the strongest hood in SJ. Which was unheard of for the West Side. But the older OG's wear red, eventhough the brothers always stayed neutral. East side has older hoods tho.
No such thing as North and South during that time, despite popular belief, North and South didn't arise from the Shoe War. There was plenty of Raza from Southern California that organized against the Eme in 68. It had nothing to do with region. It had more so to do with ideology. North and South didn't kick off until after Cheyenne's passing in 72 when false propaganda was used to smear the organization as solely a northern California group, that was never the case. The Norteno movement kicked off in prison in the 80s and slowly made its way out the the calles but all varrios didn't fully fall in line until the mid to late 90s. The Sur was similar in that they weren't an official thing out in the calles until 92 during the No Drive Bys and taxing campaign, hence why some varrios like Maravilla resisted and chose not to ride as Surenos until a decade later. Upstate was not official until the early 2000s despite Southsiders banging Sur well before that, many weren't tapped in and on board officially until the early 2000s. Despite popular belief, North and South is still fairly new compared to the barrios that were already here decades before they ever heard of a rivalry between North and South
They from los bro
@@robertgonzales5038 but Southern Cali as a whole didn't fall in line until 92 with many varrios resisting during the 90s. So it's unfair to call people Surenos when during the same time, many familianos were from the South yet they were not Surenos. i.e. Tarzan de Pomona 12 Street Sharkies who repped his varrio proudly until his passing yet was never a Sureno.
@@robertgonzales5038Yes they were born in Mexico, raised in East LA, moved to Pico for a couple years, & then moved up to San Jo when they were about 15 yrs old. Straight gangsters too. Horseshoe even made front page on San Jose Mercury News about a HUGE "brawl" they got into at the Jack N the Box on the east against the biggest hood on the east. Not sure what hood tho.. Whoever knows, let me know. They closed off the street after they established the name Varrio Horseshoe.
Aye bro you should make a video of what city of upstaters lie and exaggerate the most on UA-cam
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Rivera'13 is right there to huh
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Dosnt really matter who’s the oldest tbh all that matters is San Jo is Norte territory and always has been . Surenos snuck into the west while the Horseshoe and the Mob were at war . The low income housing is full of immigrant families which make it easy to recruit and is the only reason the sur still holds a presence. Easy to gang bang in Northern Territory when your gang don’t require you to be outside . San Jo is big and gentrification plays a huge part in the struggle of being a gang in San Jo also💯
The whole thing about the low income housing if full of immigrants was a thing back then now days you have chicanos, African Americans etc.. now days alot of the sur hoods have dudes that can’t even speak Spanish lol that I didn’t even know who’s who most of this youngster on both sides look the same but yeah back then most sur hoods had mostly paisas. your right tho San Jose well always be Norte territory.
@@pelonbp209 That hurt yo feelings ? 😂🤡
So what you’re saying and by your logic, the SS Homies were smart enough and took advantage of the conflict that VHS and The mob were having in order to plant their flag. I’m curious if the SS homies used the same tactic to plant their flag in other northern cities 🤔. There’s plenty of info and pictures on the web that show señores from down south congregating all over northern Califas since the late 60s and have been doing business up north ever since.
I think SS in my town (Oakland) mostly died out due to several reasons: 1) Norte and BB pressed them from all sides during the peak of the gang wars in the mid 00s 2) Gentrification made it more expensive to live in Oakland (so paisas who were south siding couldn't afford to move in) 3) When Mexican paisas mostly stopped coming to Oakland they were replaced by indigenous Guatemalan people and in their culture it isn't an automatic that the kids are just gonna start claiming "Mexico 13." I've noticed that most of the Guatemalan kids tend to do well in school and don't get easily sucked into gangs, North, South or BB.
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Damn listo ya güey who hurt you?!
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Oldest homie gang is The Fruit Stand Gang in Salinas East Side ( s.e.s ) old skool shit my mom mom from that shit SES N my grandma from my grandma side from the Fruit Stand Market st
But back then it wasn’t considered a sure no or originally a sureno varrio or homie hood it was All chicano shit back then till the 80s but ong a lot of Older Chicanos Cholos or homies or homeboy hood have originally started with people from down south moving up north and developing n help start hood and varrios here with Chicano’s born here
Just like Loma Bakers that hood used to be A Norteno hood in Bakersfield that’s why Colonia and Loma bakers still beef today although they are both sureno hoods
They wanna act like that’s Southern California when it benefits them
You forgot about Vickys Town I heard Horse Shoe would bounce back and forth
There’s a pic with both of em in it
Yo soy lil Popeye Horseshoe sela we still here pocos pero locos VHSR
What do you think of this video?
What up carnal
This fool and all these pages be missing a lot of info 😕 lol on both sides 😂
"Quiet as its kept" Ok Gunner lol Every hood started as southsiders nortenos came later
What do you mean by ok gunner? 😂
@@UpstatePOV cuz thats wat he says lol
Horse shoe is not rhe oldest neighborhood to come out of sj they're 1 of the top 3 oldest in san jo. but in northern California they are definitely not the oldest and the fact you kept saying oldest "norteno" hood just doesn't fit because none of thesehoods that were here before the 80s were really norteno hoods let alone sureno hoods maybe they had certain members that were coming home from the pen that were starting to identify as either or but as a whole i doubt they were labeling they're hood as that. I feel you miss labeled your video 🤷♂️
THESE GUYS UP HERE ARENT WELL EDUCATED LIKE THE ONES FROM DOWN SOUTH. THEY ALL ENEMIES AND EVEN THEY KNOW ABOUT THEIR RIVAL LOL
A lot of this info is incorrect, but you acknowledge that. Whoever your source is did not do a good job
VHS is Not tha oldest hood in San Jo….. EL HOYO PALMAS is tha oldest hood
EL HOYO PALMAS IS THE OLDEST ALSO KNOW AS LOS POCOS LOCOS
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@@oeste1951😂😂😂😂 learn your history….
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Damn upstaters don’t know anything about the calles up here 😂🤦🏻♂️ the oldest hoods NEVER derived from the south.
Barrio Chivo aka Eastside Stocktone from the 1930’s, Sal Si Puedes 1940’s. Jackson Kings from SJ came about in the 1940’s, El Hoyo Palmas de SJ 1970’s. SFM from the 1940’s, Varrio Perry Heights de Corco 1960’s, El Campo de Ceres 1950’s, Youth Gone Wild de Delano 1960’s, Barrio Westside Modesto 1970’s, Varrio Chicano aka Varrio Southside Modesto 1970’s, Salinas East Marketa 1970’s, Northside Castro 1940’s, Colonia Maravilla aka Capitol Park Locos 1960’s, Soledad Vatos Locos 1960’s, Northside Watson Locos 1970’s etc
The realest comment on here. To add on Oakland hoods from the 30-60's still active (Jingletown, Untouchable Varrio 60's, 36th, 38th, E.15th ave) there's more.. Fog Town Daly City, East Side Daly City 70's.. still strongly active..Cypress Park (South San Francisco) 70's-early 80's,
@@Yutbr800 Oh yup! I forgot about the East/West Bay! Fog Town goes way back. Cypress Park Locos de South City. Eastside Mara & Little México Ganga. SFM, 41st Pyschos, East 15th Locos aka Quince Clique, Varrio Grande Decoto, Barrio Old Alvarado. More in the 209 too, Central Stocktone Locos, Pilgrim Street, Loretta Court Vatos, Varrio Ghost Town de Galtone, Night Owls de Modesto, Varrio Lemas aka BPN, Poros Most Dangerous (when all Poros was one hood), Varrio Farmas Catorce, much love !
@@varriolivin9474 Yes sir! I send mines carnal
You did your research on Google 😂
@@SANTAMUERTEXIII Northerners are well laced up on history, Mexica history, political history etc it’s too bad you guys can’t say the same lmao
Correction, VHS WSSJ developed out of the Chicano community surrounding Del Monte Cannery. And North and South were strictly a prison thing that resulted after the death of Cheyenne and false propaganda spread by informant Mundo who takes credit for instigating what resulted in Cheyenne's death and the slur "farmero" to isolate the organization to Northern California which was never true. The Norteno movement didn't become official in prison until the 80s and the barrios didnt fall in line until the mid to late 90s. Surenos werent official until 1992 during the taxing and no drive bys campaign. Upstate wasnt official until possibly early 2000s when Upstate Sureno became the official title and fall in line unlike previously where they were just wearing blue and gang banging.
With that said, you can not call anyone a Norteno or Sureno on the calles especially during the 70s and 80s because those ideals how we see them today were not fully developed. They were prison movements that didn't really hit the streets until decades later despite popular belief.
Make a video of what nortenos hoods have or had ties to surenos hoods.
I ran across your video about Horse Shoe , I grew up in Pico Rivera and HS didn’t start until the late 60s same as Pico Nuevo , the other Neighborhoods have an earlier beginning but where not here to talk about them. HS is a very small hood the only time they had some numbers was in the middle 70s but they dropped because most of the recruiting was being done in JR high school and HS would get jumped because other local gangs controlled the schools and the recruiting, you couldn’t go ti school if you claimed HS without getting beat up so no one would get in until they dropped out or graduated school then they claimed there hood. I knew a lot of them but that neighborhood almost gone not too many left . Gangs in LA county’s are not as big like before although there still there and doing their thing, and yes HS started in Pico and a family moved up north and started it up over there , I never thought it would turn into a Norteno hood but it’s all good it is what it is .
Facts! 👍
You don't know WTF your talking about ain't none of us got beat up we held our own for being the smallest hood and fucked up a whole lot of people
You seem to know lots of inside information (false) like you been there before. First off when this started ( HORSESHOE ) late 60' s it was deep not only Jr HS there was homies that were out of school already as far as getting beat up on I don't know where you got your info you're ( probably an undercover enemy) 🤔🤨🤨 HS might of been small in numbers but every scuffle HS got involved in they always came out on top except once . People that got out of HS there reasons were not because they were young, ( there was also members in elementary school ) , they got on when the banging started to WEAK I'm thinking . Thats what happens when gangs let anyone in I think I was good when banging started it allowed to weed out the wannabes , I don't know what you've been smoking 🚭 but nobody ever got jumped in school if you're referring to the fight at North Park Jr HS the HORSE GANG beat the crap out of the DUMP . I know personally. If you comment be sure you're saying the TRUTH!!🤨🤨
If ut was 40s I stand corrected
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El hoyo palmas is the oldest varrio norteno wise to first come up in san jo, then the Horseshoe so on and so forth. All the rest came when gang banging and cruising king / story evolved. I'm from the 1st generation VHS. Libre Was not a factor in that time. There was west side Ganga varrio burbank,and Libre. ONLY hoods from the west. When varrio Libre got dismantled by the city,then that's when they the west side mob took over Libre and it's foundation and that's how the mob started. The first generation VARRIO HORSESHOE WAS STARTED CIRCA .... 1975 HENCE. ALL THE HOMIES THAT ARE STILL ALIVE,IN THE PINTAS,OR DEAD, SHOULD ALL BE WELL INTO THERE 60'S N 70'S AGE RANGE.ANY YOUNGER THEN THAT ,STARTS A NEW GENERATION EVERY TEN YEARS. BEFORE THE HS WAS CALLED THE BIEBRACH ZOO. BIKE CLUB CALLED " LOS VAGOS" ALL THE PARTICIPANTS THAT WERE IN THIS BIKE CLUB WITH LETTERS EVOLVED IN THE HORSHOE GANGA WHEN THEY REMODELED THE PARK AND THE SYMETRY OF THE VARRIO,THAT THEN IN TIME WAS DUBBED THE HORSESHOE.GOT TO BE SO VAST AND WIDE THAT EVEN THE MAYOR JANET GREY HAYES WENT CRUISING IN THE SHOE. MY VARRIO WAS BIG IN THE DAY,GOT TORCIDO ,GONE FIVE YEARS IT WAS MASSIVE ALOT OF HENTE CLAIMING VHS.
To keep it real all them hoods in L.A in the late 1800s and early 1900s and 20s 30s was all hoods that was Whites like Italian Polish Irish jews hoods. Not to many Mexicans back then.
Then Mexicans ended up being part of and taking over in the late 40s 50s.
Like Dog Town that is the oldest and still active hood in Southern California was white first!
Thats My older cousin hood
I have a lot of Southern California real South Siders from down there. From. East Lake, Lincoln Heights, East L.A l, El Monte, El Sereno Big Hazard, Dog Town.
None up here! We all Northern Chicanos North Siders. We keep it real on our side, we rep what side of California we from none of that wannabe shit.
But yep all them old hoods was from American White Europeans first. A few Mexican hoods came a long in the mid 30s.
Right, some of those southern hoods used to claim different things like stoners too before colors took over
Horse shoe isn’t the oldest norteno neighborhood in California. That belongs to a little cow town in central California called porterville
The mission is the oldest Norteno neighborhood
I heard Sacramento Broderick was one of the oldest along with San Jo and SF
Okay gracias for clarifying g
SEM st in Salinas also is historic
Same with varrio mountain view 10 gens deep
Like I heard supposedly Tortilla Flats 14 n Hayward was Originally started by The tortilla flats 13 from Compton but tortilla flats in Hayward first was brought up in the late 70s supposedly the story is Compton people moved up north to the Bay Area in Hayward and moved into the south Hayward area n started a tortilla flats gangs with Chicano’s from Hayward I heard
Just rumors people start, just because they hear of a neighborhood called Tortilla Flats in Hayward and then they think they can make up stories. Those aren’t even the only towns with a neighborhood called that, there’s even a book called Tortilla Flats based on Monterey.
Do a video on Sur orgins of Norte hoods
It’s old but no the oldest. In Sanger, Varrio Sanger 13 & Varrio Chankla 14 been around since the 1960’s BEFORE the South North split, I heard some Stockton northern hoods been around since the 30’s too, same with SJ and SF
Didn’t know Chankla use to be 14, when did they switch to dogs and why
Yeah my hood East Side Stockton has his roots in Barrio Chivo which goes back to the 1930's
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@@iz_ruthless3236I think they were 1 of the last to switch up, at least from what I heard. Probably just gave into bulldog’s propaganda
HORSESHOE BLOCK HAS NOTHIBG TO DO WITH SURENOS NORTENOS STARTED THAT NABORHOOD YOU JUST WANT PEOPLE TO THINK THAT IF COMES FROM THE SOUTH HAHAHAHAHA 🔴🔴🔴🔴
@@jordanpena4653 you need to ask your older homies cause your direction of how your side started is not right It's HORSESHOE 13 then you
@richardgonzales don’t be mad cuz we run the north yall just a bunch of norteno wana Bs
Horseshoe is dead gentrification kicked them out there hood, no one from VHS lives in there hood, they should of thought years bck about relocating different area
VHS IS STILL HERE DEEPER THAN TAMPONE14 Y SSPRIDE🌈 COMBINED. TRY AGAIN MIJA
@@ganjasmileyslumped2003HAHA. I never heard that for Clamatos. Finna start using that 😂
Someone tagging X4 and crossing it with X3 by Willow St?
There is home boys from the shoe that live in there still in the hood but lay low after being targeted by police
Jerome street wssj vhs active
Idk if it’s the oldest. Decoto , A street , 38 st locos dgf go back to 50s 60s before the eme / nf split.
You probably mean Varrio South Hayward.
I thought Meadowfair was there with them as to older neighborhoods!
Since the 1950's
Oldest upstate Trece hoods is either Santa Eastside (70’s) Varrio Sanger 13 (60’s) Varrio Frontera Locos 70’s Poorside Watson 80’s Clanton 14 (80’s)
Ther was a clanton in king city prior Sur and Norte
Some of those were around in the 80’s, but SES I.E was confused
I met in prison a clanton from king city he was a sureno but he said most his homies would go at it with surenos on one side and the other nortenos
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Been saying this the nortays are the orgianl 25ers
How when they never went PC!! Bad comparison when the NF birth the Norte
Lol they mainline and y’all called truce even tho y’all outnumber us 5 to 1 so what that say about y’all lol besides eme originals had dudes from SF and other northern regions
IF YOU WANNA GO BY THAT LOGIC THEN MIGHT AS WELL LABEL UPSTATERS AS D.O.z TOO LOL
Or upstaters as trans gangsters lol
@@ganjasmileyslumped2003 but nuestra was made by drop out surenos big facts
Now you just saying whatever
How so
@@UpstatePOV saying a norteno gang started out as a sureno gang you a real fool. Did you know upstaters were the first surenos? LA copied y’all look everyone this is the man 👏
@@UpstatePOV did you also know the first president of the United States was an upstater too?!
@@joshica5006 was the gang not started by surenos who relocated to san jose? Was horse shoe not being hit up on the wall as HS13? Stop being so sensitive it is what it is facts are facts the original horse shoe is from southern california wether you like it or not
@@joshica5006 next your gonna tell me NF wasnt started by southern mexicans too 💀😂
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I send mine
Likewise in full my boy!
It’s gentrification
Stop reaching
How am i reaching look at the comments its facts 😂
@@UpstatePOVYOUR VIDEO LACKS KNOWLEDGE THO 😂 VHS AINT THE OLDEST HOOD IN NOR CAL.
@@ganjasmileyslumped2003 did i not say correct me if im wrong i cant stamp this to be a fact? I swear some of you sensitive hynas be reaching 😂😂😂
@@UpstatePOVI think you should change the title tho..
Varrio libre
Palmas is I think and SOS
SOS the first crip hood probably
First of all you got your neighborhoods twisted that first picture you're showing is from down South has nothing to do with up north
Lmao if you listen to the video you would know why its there😂😂😂😂
@@UpstatePOV I realized it after I seen the video my bad . That's actually my picture also the group picture I'm the one with the HS on my hat
@@richardgonzales5838 orale i send mine G 🤝🏼💯
@@UpstatePOV what up bro I was wondering if I sent you a picture for this post to show our original sweatshirts
@@richardgonzales5838 yes feel free, im gonna make a video about the original horse shoe as well ill add it to that video
Vickeys town was first
Vickys town are not nortenos g
@@UpstatePOV that’s what Im saying they turned into a northern hood later
@@Big_Nis_95127 no vickys town never went to nortenos bro they are either surenos or just vickys towners but they have no ties to the N
@@UpstatePOV I’m talking bout the homies from San jo
@@Big_Nis_95127 yeah i dont think they were never nortenos bro
Even san jose norteno low budget rapper Lazy boy knows there Sureños hoods established with the business in SJ 😂
Still a norteno city though some days you Mfs can’t go out because they deep as fuck out there every time I’m there all I see is red on UA-cam all I see is blue 😂
@@joshica5006Essj and Wssj thick with homies but it's all good bruh
@@Bigcarnal123 that it straight up bullshit essj is where I be at I really caught up ass lying bro that’s crazy 🤣
@@Bigcarnal123 they got hoods all over the city
@@joshica5006 Can’t wait for Cinco de Mayo in SJ. 😂 Mexican and Huelga bird flags and red rags everywhere. Good times with hynas and ranflitas 🍻😎
April fools?
Eastside hoods que no? Was an old hood
Palmas
East Side Hoods started in CYA (California Youth Authority)
It’s not The west side of San Jose. Virginia Bridge goes east to west
It’s always gonna be the west side San Jose varrio horseshoe
@@oeste1951 more like central San Jose. West side starts off Auzerais
@@yvanbeenhim nobody really uses the term central for San Jose, except for some lil exceptions. Especially when it comes to this topic, it’s always about a side.
@@SANxJONEROIt’s south of downtown so technically it’s central San José.
@@yvanbeenhim I know people rarely use that term to describe the areas there.
LOL 😂 DOUBLE S SOUTHSIDE IS THE BIG BROTHER AND NF IS THE LIL BROTHER NORTE PEOPLE ARE SOFT DOWN SOUTH STARTED UP THE GANGSTER SHIT 😂
How’s taking over Nor Cal working out for ya these days?😂
Lol how when y’all called truce and cease fire and outnumber us 5 to 1 that says more about y’all than us outnumber and and still had to respect it enough to call truce and we still growing how y’all big brother but act like little brother no discipline and y’all get high on balloons
The same way a lot eme originals are from SF and other northern regions yall followers don’t even know SF have Hispanic hoods that are older than LA people forget SF was an established city long before LA. The Mission is San Francisco is Hispanic neighborhood first neighborhood in SF and founded in 1776 nice try SF is older than LA. Nice try scrap now go get high on some balloons like you knock ass scraps like to do lmfao 😂
BIG BROTHER TURNED INTO THE LITTLE BIG BROTHER UP NORTH😂 THE LITTLE BROTHER HIT A GROWTH SPURT.
@ganjasmileyslumped2003 LOL where u at down south don't see u guys right nowhere lol 😆 😂 🤣 we stay n ur house lol
Breaking news all my speculations was right
you must be 12 if you bearly found that out lol
Where the lil youngster Norte goofys tagging on willow st get caught levas in the west side of San Jose the Sureños run it trucha even Listo tubby knows what sup Essj to Wssj x3 🇲🇽🦈🔵👌
Westside ran by WSM (San Carlos Boys, Varrio Alma Locos, Varrio Libre) & Varrio Horseshoe. Very strong presence. Cinco de Mayo we’ll see who’s more outside in 2024.
🧢 old ass tweaker
Horse shoe is no longer around in Pico .....extinct !
Bullshit we still here son
lol wait until they find about the mission in SF 1776 older than LA the CITY. MISSION is first neighborhood in SF, LA was founded in 1781
Word!
Saludos to all the Kanpoleros out of the 510! HAYWARD !
I still live in East San Jo right now. This video is completely FALSE & BS. 🗑 this video ASAP.
Explain to me how an Og from horseshoe hit me up to make this video and got most of my information from him, is lying 😂 why would he have to lie about his own varrios history 💀😂
@@UpstatePOVcan we get some interviews?