What's So Amazing About the Two-Handed Forehand Slice?
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- Опубліковано 8 тра 2024
- Coach Adrian explains why you should try the two-handed forehand slice. Episode 1 of Don't Be Afraid to Experiment in Tennis Series.
0:00 - Intro / Why Creativity Matters
1:21 - Fabrice Santoro's two-handed forehand slice
3:08 - What Makes the Two-Handed Forehand Slice So Amazing?
6:39 - Coach Adrian's Two-Handed Forehand Slices in Normal Speed
6:46 - Hsieh Su Wei's two-handed forehand slice
7:08 - Conclusion / Give it a try!
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Really enjoyed the analysis. I play a two handed forehand out of necessity after a shoulder injury, and it has slowly morphed into this exact shot. At a rec level, it is extremely effective, and you are correct to say it is very maneuverable and manipulative. Drop shots to either wing, even from behind the baseline. The control is unbelievable too, for lobs and great depth. One thing you didn't mention, is that it is also excellent as an approach shot using heavy slice to the rightys backhand that swings out of the court.
I the flipside, points tend to be longer, as near impossible to hit through opponents, and high deep, no pace balls are made difficult as it is tough to generate good timing and power.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! Interesting how injury necessitated this. Yes, there's so many things you can do with the two-handed slice. You can really "grab" the ball probably 3 times as more than a one-handed slice. I did mention driving slices can be effective but never thought how effective it can be on approach shots too. Definitely has pros/cons but ability to generate offense from this shot is underrated!
You can achieve the same trajectory with 1 hand. However you would need to have more takeback so you have the leverage to manage the oncoming pace. Imagine Federer with his take back of racket on his backhand side but then imagine it on the forehand side. People who use two handed slice on the backhand side are usually twohanded backhanders who do not feel comfortable taking one hand off the racket. One of the best parts of underslice that noone ever mentions is that it is much easier to get side slice on underslice than it is when hitting topspin. At one point I used 3 different grips on my backhand slice depending on what side spin I felt like I needed. If I had used a 2 handed slice I take away so much of that flexibility. Aside from that if you are standing on or inside the baseline, you want to be able to make contact with a rising topspin at your chest or higher so you can do offensive slices. The two handed slices you are using don't have the range of motion to meet the ball at your head height or above which limits how aggressively you can hit the slice. One more thing that noone knows about is that on soft balls that do not come toward you, you either need to move into the ball or change your angle of slice to compensate. A ball that is hit toward you with pace is easier to slice than a soft ball. If you use a two handed slice with less range, it is harder for you to widen your swing path to compensate for lack of forward pace of the oncoming ball. Try playing slice when the wind is blowing toward you from your back and you will know what I mean. One really good thing about two hands is that over time it will help to reduce injury because of the extra leverage of the second hand. Absorbing rockets with slice after a decade takes its toll because you are using more of your shoulder and arm to absorb and redirect the oncoming pace rather than someone who has the full swing path of a flat or topspin shot. 15 years of playing 80% slice has wrecked my bicep and given me some radial nerve issues. That might be the biggest draw for using two hands, but I do not think it is the benefit of performance of two hands over one.
I want to mention that Su-Wei actually has an extended length racquet and technically her 'forehand' is a lefty 2 hander and plays as 2 backhands or at times 1 handed forehand depending on shot - I have seen her do 1 handed slice/drop shots and 1 handed volleys where required (But her left side will always be back hand with 2 hands) She will typically swap hands to allow easier transition from left->right. Her right hand usually in the middle of the grip and then move her left hand up/down depending on the shot.... I don't think I've seen her do a 2 handed RIGHT forehand.
I stand corrected. She does play with two backhands! That’s even more unorthodox! I suppose her extended length racquet helps her with putting her right hand in the middle of the grip, leaving room for her left hand underneath. Truly remarkable to be playing two backhands at the pro level. Thanks for the comment!
Gene Mayer was #4 during McEnroe prime and gave Mac fits. Same cross handed fh and conventional 2hbh. Seles was the same but as a lefty. Frew McMillen doubles HOF was the original. Jim Pugh multiGS dubs with Rick Leach switched grips. Bartoli too and a few others.
There's a lot to be said for this style. It can only be played close in like in dubs. Baseline is problematic for reach.
Gene Mayer was definitely a great player! I'd also add Jan-Michael Gambill as another good player with a 2-handed forehand to this interesting list.
I am a rec player playing at least 5X a week and am passionate about improving but there is soooo much work to do on fundamentals. Have never heard of this shot nor even imagined this shot. If with just a little practice, this clicks for you, fine, go for it. But it looks complicated and suspect that it will take a lot of time and effort to understand and implement. Especially if you are a rec player learning on your own and cannot afford private coaching lessons.
Everyone's different and the degree of difficulty is subjective. For me, this shot is much easier than performing a traditional one-handed topspin backhand, but I can understand why a two-handed forehand can be extremely difficult to learn. After all, it is an unconventional shot.
@@CoachAdrian I have heard of the forehand slice using a Continental grip with your right hand. Santoro begins with a two-handed grip and lets go of the right hand and uses LEFT hand to slice. Very odd.
Have to wonder why this odd two handed technique would be better than just slicing the conventional single-handed way. Slice with the DOMINANT hand.... Will have to watch the video again. Apparently starting off with this two handed forehand grip and then letting go of the right hand gives you better control and placement than the conventional forehand slice. 🤔
@@Better_Call_Raul I don't think he primarily uses the left hand for the forehand slice. There is another video on the internet where it shows a super-slow motion of Santoro's slice (ua-cam.com/video/KnozYGjhSMM/v-deo.html). Here you can see he uses both hands upon contact, then he lets go. I can't speak for Santoro, but when I was doing this slice, I can feel that my right hand was doing more of the work. The left hand is helping the right hand (not the other way around). It's still a very odd shot!