Chael and Ariel Helwani disagree on Ronda Rousey in the UFC Hall of Fame
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- Опубліковано 28 чер 2018
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1 on 1, 2 on 1, or 5 on1 i make em all need 9 1 1 - The Greatest Chael Sonnen
I think the quote is, "One one one, two on one, five on one, it doesn't matter; they're all gonna need nine one one."
But yea, the greatest Chael Sonnen
Pretty sure you meant the greatest, Artem Lobov
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Here after he got charged for attacking 5 people in a hotel.
9 out of her 12 wins in the UFC was by armbar and thats the problem. She was a Judo champion who overwhelmed a league of women who had no idea how to defend against it. She acted cocky and mean towards everyone she faced and when she finally met one person who could defend against it (Holly Holm) she was destroyed. Her kicks and punching abilities are that of a white belt. Then she retired .......
Avean I definitely agree with you Ronda wasn't really a well rounded fighter and her striking was horrible.
I'm not a Rhonda hater in the slightest but your point is 100% spot on
Actually, she only fought 8 times in the UFC and went 6-2 in the UFC (her other fights were in Strikeforce and other leagues). That's a Hall of Fame career? My ass. Going into the Holm fight, all you heard was Ronda's 12-0 record going in. Holly was going in 10-0 and absolutely nothing was said. And yes, she proved that she's just a garbage human being. Her arrogance and diva behavior was truly disgusting.
Amanda Nunez smashed her then retired
"That's the thing with 5 divided by 30 -- no one knows the answer." -American Gangster 2018
Gangster math
Chael should be the successor to Dana.....
Dana said he was going to be at some point. As you may guess that isn't exactly gonna happen anymore
Agent Utah why isnt rhat gonna hapoen anymore? Did something happen between the two?
They aren't on the best of terms right now to my knowledge
Eh, I don’t think Chael would be good at making a decision as he is always playing all sides.
He would be worlds better as would Ben askren.
Chael Sonnen is the Hall of Fame.
Great Britain M he is 100%
Damn right!
Chael is the mma
Never lost a fight in his life. If that doesn't scream Hall of Fame then what does?
The best mic skills in UFC history. His fighting career is only decent.
Here's an interesting fact - there are 12 champions in the UFC and only 6 of them won their belts by beating a defending champion (TJ, Max, Tyron, Stipe, Rose and Amanda).
Wow that’s crazy. I had to think about that lol.
Props to those guys.
Spidey Sense
Great post. Mc nugget made it impossible for a longtime.
your comment have nothing to do with the video..... but WOW I didnt even realise
Khabib, Cyborg, DC, Montana, Whittaker, Mighty Mouse
Chael Sonnen is the only male in history to never lose one single hair. Biggest arms, biggest charm, and the best head of hair undisputed
You never reveal the secrets of the business
Thank you - let’s make sure we never forget what Rogan did!
The Undertaker's real name is Mark Calway. Oops!
If the fan boys can’t see what is going on with Colby then nobody should tell them. They’re probably WWE fans for the most part.
luke -i ve missed the back story about rogan... what did he let slip that he shouldnt?
Joey Diaz gave birth to Khalabib
Is Mighty Mouse not hall of famer worthy because he hasn't beaten a UFC champion? Same logic as you're trying to use. Faber didn't beat a UFC champion either, in fact he never held the belt at all.
Peoples Hernandez right, but Faber was a pioneer of the smaller division and former wec champ, which kind of translates as a ufc champion in some ways, he was one of the biggest draws in the bantamweights division
dj and faber can fight though. ronda has the striking skills of cm punk.
Don’t think he would say the same about Jose Aldo
Then why did she defend that belt 6 times including several KO's she has better striking skills than Holly has ground skills that's for sure
Jonathan Lechan I'm guessing you didn't watch Holly Holm's last fight
Nobody is even allowed to disagree with Chael, or else you get 6 mins minimum.
5 divides by 30 is 0.17 rounded to the nearest cent. It’s 17 cents a day to have to hear this guy talk
UFC hall of fame is a joke. They need a mma hall of fame
Agreed but it would have to be sponsored by someone outside of the UFC. Otherwise Fedor never gets in
well it basically is because Sakuraba is in the UFC hall of fame
they'll need to add Gina Corrano she was the pioneer before Rhonda
@@adam7mma Sakuraba won a UFC tournament
100% agree with Ariel, she should get brat of the year.
BigVic Ronda is not champion material. She’s a sore loser that should have had the heart and the determination to get back up.
oh yes Bra of the year... Vs miesha
@@Luminary2024 You beat the champion then you're champion material.
You're not a hall of famer when you've fought less than 12 times, and never recovered from a loss.
In baseball and football therer is a number of years you have to be retired to be in consideration for the HOF. I think this rule is important in case that athlete decides to come back out fo retirement. How many MMA fighters have we seen retire and then later come back and fight. Shit didn't even Chael retire at some point? MMA should have a 5 year wait period because it's pretty stupid to have someone inducted to the HOF fighting fights.
Marty Moose Absolutely couldnt agree more!
No I think it hypes the fights up who cares when a guy gets in I'm more outraged when clear Hall of famers are not put in and have to wait like T.O. even tho everyone and their mothers new he was going to be in and should had been a first ballot!!!
in every other sport the Hall of fame is named after the sport its honouring, its ridiculous that in this case its the the organisation, there should be an mma hall of fame for the pioneers of all the organisations
make one then.
what do you mean make one? lol
kiely 456 do teams not have their own HoF? Are jerseys not retired? UFC absorbed the pioneering brands and most of those pioneers went on to fight in the UFC, making them eligible. I do think MMA needs a hall, though, if only for unbiased induction
guys like Fedor will never be able to be inducted which is a massive shame considering he's one of the greatest heavy weights ever to grace the sport
kiely 456 nfl hall of fame ncaa hall of fame not football hall of fame
If Matt Serra can get in the hall of fame then we might as well put every fighter on the roster in the HOF
Kim Jong 69 i agree
Kim Jong 69 artem lobov
Kim Jong 69 hey man tyrannosaurus' arms are funny enough for HoF
Exactly it’s stupid. It’s like Dana is the only one choosing who gets to be in the hall of fame
true what a joke he beat GSP with a lucky punch and that s it he doesn t deserve to be in HOF
Gina Carano = True Pioneer
mtdyl911 better looking and better actor too
Gina Carano = Quit fighting faster than Ronda.
Your A Total Idiot
at least she fought cyborg
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Uncle Chael, the GOAT better get to the HOF.
Richard Dixon a lot of guys
That math lesson at the end caught me off guard
0.1666667
close enough with 15c i guess. he is even good at math ;)
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Ronda beat everyone they put in front of her except the last 2 but she beat the people that beat them (Miesha-Holm & Cat-Nunes). Ronda isn't the greatest of all time but she was the 1st dominant female fighter in her weight class. Matt Hughes got lapped skill wise by the welterweight division but he still and rightfully so gets his props.
Holly holme deserves the accolades much more.
Kelly Kernaghan thats ridiculous. Never held the belt, lost to a fighter rousey whooped twice. Nah i like holm but nah. It even took holm 2 rounds to beat bethe and rousey ko'd her in 36 seconds.
yo mo So you're basically saying Rousey is better than Holm even though she got iced by Holm and looked like a beginner in their fight? 😂😂😂
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First female athlete to compete and win in UFC
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Put ufc into the mainstream
And one of the main reasons UFC sold for 4 billion.
Had shitty trainer, bad tactics in holm fight. Trying to hard to please her dumb fucking coach. I like holm though. You might like her more personality wise but more deserving of HOF. Not a chance.
yo mo Yeah but Holly is a way better fighter, plain and simple. Ronda is important for the sport yes but her skills are limited. She's also probably the greatest female grappler in UFC history but thats not enough. Is she HoF worthy? Yes, but for her contrubutions to the sport rather than her skillset because based on skillset, Holm, Nunes, Cyborg, Shevchenko, Joanna, Rose.
Wrestler- Kickboxer thats royce gracie out of the hall of fame then. Put holly and ronda on the ground and watch how one dimensional holm is. So by your argument rousey achieved more with less. Even more deserving then.
Chael has never lost an argument in his life, not even a paragraph or sentence, he's the goat of predictions
17 cents a day. Ariel and the Bad Guy. Good deal.
Chael we love you! Cant wait to see him get the heavyweight championship and keep the promise he made to his dad.
chael is hall of fame in my book
Gambling Degenerate if ken shamrock was inducted, for sure chael deserves it
if Ken shamrock was inducted, the entire UFC roster should be inducted
Gambling Degenerate true
Gambling Degenerate lmao
I would love to be able to have a one hour conversation with Chael once a week on various Topics! Time Well spent to be sure! Cheers Everyone
I do agree that she didn't do anything to help the next generation & she didn't beat a champion but neither did Royce Gracie. But he changed the world, and so did she & that should be recognized. I think she has a hard heart and needs to warm up but she is still hof worthy
Jacob Morgan royce is the first tru champ they used to fight multiple times in one night to get that belt
Daniel Miranda I agree he changed the world and showed them if you can't fight on the ground, then you can't fight. And the womens divison was weak when Rhonda fought but that isn't her fault. She made the sport bigger. I hate her attitude but she earned the hof
Jacob Morgan sucks that she won't even come close to the elite level of competition now like Valentina, holly or amanda
Ramon She beat Meisha, Meisha beat Holly. She beat Cat, Cat beat Nunes....Still the most dominant champion
Daniel Miranda No shit?
Ariel loses to the bad guy yet again
I don't see a way Ariel could ever defeat Chael in anything.
But Chael has never lost a single round EVER... Or a single Argument EVER!
as a matter of fact chael never lost to that filthy animal anderson, as far as anyone whos not retarded is concerned, chael retired as mw champion.
Its to give a person some shine years after prime / sports career. Unspoken to wait at least 5 to 8 years
They gave Aldo the belt when he got to the UFC as well, so you could technically say the same thing about him. And for his second run he won the interim belt against Frankie who wasn't champion at the time either. I don't like Ronda but if you're defending the belt against all the contenders they throw at you, that's good enough for me.
I am NOT a Rousey fan
But she deserves to be inducted.
Chris Hock no she don't... If you're scared of fighting the best of the best.... YOU should NEVER be INDUCTED
Chris Hock It's an interesting discussion. But I agree. She is one of the best mma draws of all time. The sport is on the map now and partly because of her
no way hell no fuk no
Chadwick... who did she not fight? cyborg? she fought and lost to the current champ, and basically everyone they put her up against for her long run as champ. IF the best example you have is a fighter from another weight division its not a good one
I mean there wouldn't be a women's division without her, so yeah.
Aldo was also inaugurated as the UFC featherweight and Dominick cruz became the UFC bantamweight champion in his final WEC title defense
Branch and Gaethje May have joined as champions of their previous orgs but they joined and fought in an existing division with a champion in place. Rousey, Aldo and Cruz were all ‘gifted’ their belts when the UFC inherited the strike force roster as they were bringing champions across to a new division. When new divisions have been created since, there has been some kind of tournament or at least inaugural title fight
Dan Henderson vs Anderson Silva & Dan Henderson vs Rampage were promoted as champion vs champion.
“There’s no one who’s a bigger pioneer of mixed martial arts than Ronda Rousey” Joe just keeps fucking up whenever he opens his mouth when Ronda is brought up....
Chael's a genuine legend.
the WEC champions in the lighter weight classes were named UFC champions when it was absorbed as well
Branch and Gaethje's organisations weren't absorbed by the UFC. Dan Henderson came into the UFC as the Pride champion as they did a champion vs champion fight with him and Rampage.
G*d D@mn! Just when I think Chael is going to miss... He hits the nail somewhere on the head, every time. Bravo my good Sir. Bravo
Loves the sound of his own voice.
The problem with your argument, Chael, is that it applies EXACTLY to Jose Aldo - and, it's because their respective divisions never existed until they(and the other fighters) were brought in.
In Ronda's instance, she was titled the initial champion because Strikeforce was absorbed and Ronda was the Strikeforce champion.
In Aldo's case, he was titled the initial champion because WEC was absorbed and Aldo was the WEC champion.
Ronda was the Strikeforce champion because she beat Strikeforce's then champion for the title - Miesha Tate.
Aldo was the WEC champion because he beat WEC's then champion for the title - Mike Brown.
Ronda retired without ever beating a standing UFC champion - but she beat a standing champion in Strikeforce.
Aldo - let's be honest - is likely going to retire without beating a standing UFC champion. And most certainly will get inducted, as he deserves to(even if Conor stole his soul in the most savage fashion in all of combat sports history...).
The difference with women's bantamweight is that Zuffa bought and imported the whole division en masse -- the contenders and the champion all came in as a unit. They just changed the name of the title that she already held. It's the same way that Dominic Cruz got the men's bantamweight strap -- the BW division was imported in its entirely from WEC. Renaming the belt was just a formal recognition of the fact, not awarding of a vacant title.
"it could be renamed genius vs the dumb dumb" lol damn chael
you are smart and not at time but i tune in and listen perfect video nailed it
The others didn't come over as champion because there were UFC divisions that existed with belts for those weight classes. There was no women's bantamweight until the strikeforce absorption.
both Dominic Cruz and Jose Aldo came into the UFC as champions when the UFC announced the featherweight and bantamweight divisions respectively.
"From where I come from people like this get slapped" - N. Diaz
I don’t think the length of time between retirement and HOF induction matters as much as career length: Uriah had 44 pro fights over 13 years. Ronda had 14 across 5 years. I’d be surprised if any other HOF inductees has such a short career (perhaps except for retirement on medical grounds)
gary bettman is still the NHL Commissioner, he's been picked this year with 3 others to be inducted.
I agree with the way Dana White did it he was kicking off the Women's Division and had to start with a champion which Ronda Rousey already was from Strikeforce.
Didn’t she win the Strikeforce belt? Which was absorbed into the UFC? Like a Jose Aldo? Who was also announced the UFC 145 champ when they absorbed that division from the WEC?
Didn't Ronda Rousey beat Raging Al for the belt?
No...
mlb nba n the nfl are all at least 5 yrs from the date of announcing ur retirement i believe ...if i am wrong someone please correct me id like to knw the exact h.o.f rules for ea
Jose Aldo! Came over from the WEC and crowned UFC Champ. Boom 💥
I don’t recall Ronda saying she’s retired. Doesn’t she still get tested?
On the pride remark didnt the pride champions get immediate title shots? I recall your boy henderson fighting silva and rampage back to back and made the walk with his 2 pride titles
Ronda being crowned champ makes sense, because they were taking on a completely new category: Women's MMA. Gaetje and et al, were joining an already populated division. Chael is like Marilyn Manson, thriving only on controversy.
Difference is, there was no women's division in the UFC before Ronda. You have the Pride and Strikeforce absorption, but, the men's divisions were absorbed into already established divisions that had champions. Ronda was the champion and her division was absorbed into a company that didn't have any women's divisions. Therefore, it makes perfect sense to have her as the defacto champion to start.
06:08 a classic Chael one 😂
I agree with her appointment as champ tho. Because they literally rebrand strikeforce women's division as the ufc women's division. All the same roster. So same rankings.
I always had hoped that strikeforce would become the women's banner. But it may have failed If they did that.
Jose Aldo was promoted to UFC featherweight champ when they absorbed the WEC. So yes it does make perfect sense. New division from absorbed organizations, that champion remains champion.
Ronda fought Sarah Kaufman, a former Strikeforce world champion, she didn’t fight any world champions in the UFC because she was the FIRST one, and even Ronda disagreed on Dana making her champion before fighting liz carmouche
Chael for president!
Judge & Jury
Cole's World the p in Chael p stands for president
I still can´t believe Ronda is in the Hall of Fame and Frank Mir isn´t.
Wait for Ronda’s first ufc fight did they fight for a vacant title or did she go into the fight as the champion?
I guess the same thing can be said about Demetrious Johnson not beating a sitting or former world champion
If there was a "UFC Trash Talking Hall Of Fame" Chael Sonnen would definitely be the first to be inducted into it.
But when Strikeforce and WEC we’re absorbed all the DIVISIONS that the UFC DIDNT HAVE got promoted to champions! Jose Aldo and Dominic Cruz included. So it does work that way.
I believe that hall of fames serve as a way to tell the story of a sport through its key players. Often times this debate comes up in the NFL hall of fame the argument used is can you tell the story of the NFL without this person. I believe when we tell the story of the ufc we have to have Ronda in there. She revolutionized how female mma was viewed. Was the first major female fighter that got not just men to support her but women too.
Genius versus dumb dumb o m f g dying from laughter Chael you are funny as f***
Sarah Kaufman was a champion in Strikeforce.
Miesha was world champion when ronda beat her the first time. Correct me if im wrong but was dominic cruz not bantanweight champion immediatley as well ?
The difference between those other examples Chael gives of Justin Gaithe and David Branch aren't the same because they had those divisions in the UFC. The best woman fighters at the time were fighting in Strikeforce while UFC didn't have a women's division so it made sense to make Ronda the champion as it made sense to make Jose Aldo the champion when he came from WEC because same as Ronda there wasn't that division in the UFC
Yea but she did go on a 6 fight winnng streak so we can considere it as a tournament
By Chael’s logic, Jose Aldo is questionable for the HOF since he never beat a defending champion for the belt. He came from WEC and was gifted the UFC Featherweight belt at a press conference. However, he does have two wins over Frankie, a former 155 champ.
damn thats a hardcore fact. she never beat a champion and she wanted to quit as soon as she lost. still monumental contributions to mma.
Beat Tate didn't she?
Pride champions, David Branch and Justin Gaethje all came into a division where there was already a UFC champion. Jose Aldo, like Ronda, came to the UFC into a division where there was not already a champion, hence why they were simply given the strap.
She should be in the hall of shame for being the biggest FRAUD IN SPORTS HISTORY..
Live from the spot of chaels first kiss
Well I got to say she's in the Hall of Fame now regardless if you hate her lover and the WWE is feeding off her success in the UFC promoting her like she was the best of all time in the female regard she's a WWE not Superstar Megastar she has the MMA background she has the UFC acolyte and it seems like it's being promoted that way ride this momentum while you can I've always said
Chael "Secure the secrets" Sonnen
Gracie in the UFC HOF. And all he was, was a ground guy. They both did aswell as they did. Cuz they were the first to do it before others could catch up to them. So if hes in. So should Rhonda.
4 years later and still nobody has figured out how much $5 a month is per day.
I think it's good to wait many years before inducting people, that way you only get inductees that truly pass the test of time. Otherwise you'd be doing things like inducting Kimbo, a flash in the pan who got enormous for some bizarre reason but who's career doesn't reasonably justify being a part of it. If after 20 years out of the business, everyone still remembers your greatest achievements, you deserve it. But this sport moves faaaaast and the stars often fall even faster. Look at Pettis, he was the next big thing and now his weight class has surpassed him. (For the record I still believe in Pettis but he's a good example to show how unpredictable fighting is)
Chael either forgot or failed to mention that Jose Aldo was awarded the UFC featherweight belt without ever competing in the UFC too. He was the WEC champ and promoted to UFC champ and his first fight was a title defense. Dominick Cruz was awarded the UFC bantamweight belt without competing in the UFC also. His first fight was a title defense. Same as Rousey. Not sure why it bothers people that Rousey got that treatment but don't care about Aldo or Cruz doing the exact same thing. By the way, it made sense in all 3 cases. The UFC absorbed a division that didn't even exist up to that point and kept the champions.
It's 17 cents a day.
5÷30=0.1667
HOF means putting end to her UFC career... even though she is not officially retired... it's a polite way of doing it
Chael, 5/30 = 0.166666667
And also Aldo was "proclaimed" champion after the WEC merge. Cruz however fought for the WEC AND UFC belts at WEC 53.
Different from all those guys that were champions somewhere else that you mentioned. Rhonda was the champion of a division that didn't exist in the UFC, and a that division was mostly built with fighters from that organization.
Ronda is one of the most dominant grapplers the ufc has every seen. Multiple title defenses, was great at finishing fights....... Ronda should be respected. Definitely a ufc hall of famer.
That's the thing with 5 divided by 30, no one knows the answer to that question.
I understand what Chael is saying, but, would that same rule apply to Jose Aldo??? WEC was absorbed, was the first and longest reigning UFC featherweight Champion, lost to Max Holloway twice, and if he was to retire now, he would’ve, technically, retired as a champion that has never beaten a champion. Would he be question in getting inducted into the Hall of Fame, just on those terms? I don’t think so. He should be inducted.
I inducted Honda Lousey into the perennial Hall of Shame.
Love ya chael!
Ronda Rousey is the Jackie Robinson of MMA. She is the trailblazer (Y'all like that Portland, Oregon reference for the W. Linn guy :). She definitely belongs in the Hall of Fame. Plus, let's not diminish her accomplishments; she was undefeated for several years and won in mostly dominating fashion. Yeah, it was mostly arm bar central. But she is a judo practitioner and it was effective. There should be no debate, actually, about Ronda in the HOF.
Looking back at her opponents, Most of them were undeserving of a shot at the title but were thrown to Ronda because they had no one else for her. There was no depth in the division at the time so that means pretty much anyone who strung a fight or two win streak together got a shot lol. And then they put her in a match with someone with actual talent, Holm, and she got knocked the fuck out. She was a product of the system, Pure and simple.
My man , chael, @ ric flair sonnen, wooooooooo!!!!
Same with Aldo? Don't think anyone questions his tenure or the idea that he might get into the hall of fame. There was no UFC featherweight division so when they bought WEC he just came over as the UFC featherweight champion?
Don't you at least have to say I'm retired. Has she said she's done?