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Hmmm, I think, in the ending she get invitro to get pregnant, she doesn't need a man to have a baby, the husband is a cheater and druggies, so it will only make her life miserable and stressful, anyway, her family is wealthy and she can afford an invitro or any possible possible option for her to get a baby, that's my theory 👍
@@hzlcrpz887 actually women, including myself, can very well have children after such a birth. There was nothing structurally or functionally wrong with her reproductive system, the baby lost oxygen during a difficult birth. Nothing whatsoever relating to her fertility. Each pregnancy is different. Nothing in the narrative suggested she wouldn’t be able to give birth in the future; nothing was structurally compromised from anything we see on the story. Something like this is likely from positioning in the birth canal in the last moments, usually an umbilical cord or placenta not permanent or structural malfunctions, but event-based. Unique to this specific birth.
I like your take on the ending. I just thought the one imperfection in the narrative was Sean’s disappearing so entirely went against everything the narrative depicted before about this character. he obviously fell apart after the event but his love for Martha and his intense emotional tie to the pregnancy and the baby would deem him actually disappearing so willingly pretty much impossible within the framework and within the world of the story. And such an emotionally invested father would never in a million years have missed the ashes scene. He would have returned for that. I found the way the story canceled him out so abruptly and finally to be unrealistic and kind of a nod to an anti-men MeToo moment thing. Because whatever other problems & issues he had he was very emotionally invested in the baby. And if anything he was more emotionally tied to the baby afterward than she was. So he never ever would’ve entirely disappeared that way. Imho. FWIW, I read an interview with the filmmaking couple where they said the little girl is 100% real they were surprised and amused there were theories that she was a figment of Martha’s imagination. They said it never crossed their minds. They stated their intention was to show that as broken as Martha was for most of the narrative, she will eventually move on and heal and that it was important that her old life was left behind but she will have a new life. They said that’s why they so totally discarded Sean. To mark his presence as “life before the event” and to mark his absence as “life after the event”. I didn’t buy that last bit about Sean but I bought the rest of the explanation. Cheers, great channel.
Remember that apple seeds are poisonous to humans in sufficient quantity when crushed (It takes crushing the seeds of about 8 apples to make a lethal dose) First time I saw her collecting apple seeds it crossed my mind that she was contemplating suicide, and changed her mind in the bookstore, she was just roaming books about plants and the bookkeeper assumed she was looking for a book about sprouts, in that moment she realized that an ordinary man associated her with fertility so why shouldn’t she look at herself in the same way.
She wore his beanie at the end when she pours their child’s ashes. It was also done on the bridge he was building. There’s some symbolism there as well. Loved the movie.
That scene about the bridge collapsing due to resonance made me think about how the death of their baby was simply the consequence of their vibrations. They couldn’t come up with a reason for the baby dying similar to how they couldn’t figure out why the bridge collapsed.
This film isn’t for everyone but the writers knew what they were doing . They brought so much to light from losing a child to the stigma against home births & people trying to tell women what to do with their own bodies.
to me the seeds and how she germinated so many of them in the damp paper towels and how only some grew while others just didn't represented to me her coming to terms with the fact that sometimes the seed just doesn't work and we don't know why, but that doesn't mean that the next one won't be a super healthy sprout. Helped her come to terms with it not being anyones fault and gave her hope for the future.
I like how this was about mothers and daughters. Martha was dealing with the loss of her daughter and her strain with her own mother. And in her mother’s anecdote, it was all about a woman fighting for her baby’s survival. Notice how the writers didn’t include a father figure for Martha.
the dad said he wanted his daughter to cross the bridge first and mom granted that wish i guess, not first but yeah... this movie made me incredibly sad i don't even know why because i'm single and plan on being childfree. it hurt too much to see someone going through that
As a woman who has lost three children the movie was raw and emotional, especially the beginning. Overall, I did not completely enjoy it though. I really disliked how the husband and father of the child was overlooked. It was so selfish of her to promise him she wouldn't donate their child's body and then made him think she did. It's just as much the father's child as it is the mother's. My husband struggled even more than I did at times with the loss of our children. I'm not even a man and that was frustrating about the movie. Secondly, they make it a "my body issue." Clearly it was not her body. It was thier daughter's body that died and whom they grieved over. Anyway... I guess I'm a little frustrated because it seemed a little contrived in regards to making the woman the main victim of suffering such loss. To all the women and men who've lost a child, my prayers are with you. It's truly heartbreaking and you never stop wondering what could have been. However, there is hope and healing.💗
I also didn't like how she dismissed her husband/ partner in the film although I felt that by using her coldness they managed to portray his pain pretty well. Martha went through a journey of coming to terms with what had happened. Shutting out her emotions and her partner were very clear hence he was a victim of her avoidance and was left to bereave alone. I felt very emotional for them both. It was a very hard topic but it affects so many people that it deserves much more exposure.
YESS! I'M SOO FRUSTRADED with the way they managed the father's story, I really thought he was not going to accept the old lady's money because he realised in that moment that wasn't what he wanted. So much more about his struggle that was thrown to the trash, he deserved a better ending than just being the person who left.
I completely agree with you. My partner and I experienced a twin loss recently and i would even say it's hit him harder than i. I saw him struggling to support our grief, so I forced myself to take over and be strong out of respect and love for him. We all mourn in our own ways and we are not obliged to understand the other - just to be present with communication open. Martha completely cut herself off leaving him crying on the other side of a closed door. He tried time and time again to keep the team going to no avail. The guy was so swept to the side in all this by her and her mother it had me grinding my teeth!
About the apple seed she spits ands stops to look at it, I also thought that when you are at the beginning of your pregnancy, it is often said that your baby is the size of an apple seed, right at the very beginning. After all, when you loose a child you don’t need a pretext to remember him/her. Everything reminds you of her.
I wanted to beat the 💩 out the mother when she said that. I thought she was going to slap her. That was the worst thing anybody could say to another person. Great acting.
Yeah, but if I'm being honest, Martha's mother Elizabeth is just something else. I mean, offering Sean money to leave Martha and Sean for good? If I was Sean, I would rip the check up and tell her either, "I'd rather have a homeless life than take money from you." or "I don't want/need your money. And I never did. It's just the only thing you had to give.", and leave. Because Elizabeth has always hated him just because Sean wasn't everything she wanted Martha to have as a husband. And she keeps buying those two everything and Sean keeps telling her, "You shouldn't have. I could have paid for it/them myself.", which Sean could have. I mean, just because a couple ain't rich, doesn't mean they can't manage. But no, Martha's mom just makes it all about her. Other than that, great performance from Burstyn for making a character some audience would hate.
@@mermaidhippo7596 Well it should be talked about more, instead of being a taboo. There aren’t many resources for women who go through things like this.
I saw the child at the end as another "real" child Martha had and not her imagination... because it is in a way hope and moving forward even in the wake of sadness. it was sad regardless....
I love Vanessa Kirby, as Martha she goes through so many emotions. Her physicality and unraveling emotions, she does it all. The smell of apples became so important to her and her speech in court was right on the money. Nothing can compensate the loss. Give her the bloody Oscar!
I didn’t even realize this movie had so much symbolism! Movie was extremely tough to watch but the acting and raw emotion in the movie brilliant. One thing I realized is that I’m kind of conflicted about Sean’s character.
Mmmm I really don’t know what to say about this movie I lost 2 babies and me and my husband were so close I felt understood he held me I was putting so much blame on me but he did his best on always trying to see me smile so it hard to even say my opinion but I guess it’s very different for everyone on how they deal but I’m happy we didn’t deal with it that way
She put on Sean's beanie when she threw the ashes into the river . Does that mean she's still thinking of him ? Did she just want to do that together with a piece of him ? What do you think ?
Nope, she keep it to her husband, she keep it to herself, and she didn't even confront her husband about the earing, I think she always calculating time, she knows, it will be a waste of time confronting her husband, she only want a baby and that's worth the stress for, since she can afford invitro, she let go her cheater and druggies husband and started to grow up and be a woman.
@@hzlcrpz887 he only cheated and went back to alcohol and drugs because of what they went through and because she completely shut him off. Losing a child at any stage will either make or break you as a couple and usually the father and mother grieve in completely different ways which make it harder.
even the cinematography was incredible, that whole one shot segment when all of them were at the mothers living room, even the spontaneous and dialogues so relatable. If u look at vennessa during the birth scene u feel those sensations( when she's tired u feel the burden tiring her, when she's in pain, u feel that tug inside her) , with the sound and her body language. I'm not a huge enthusiast f this genre but the film making is staggeringly amazing. Think some of the techniques here should be studied an implemented in various other genres even fiction
‘Pieces of a Woman’ features one of the best performances (so far) of 2021 in Vanessa Kirby. I do agree, it was very hard to watch at times, and it has very slow pacing after the intense first 30 mins. But it is definitely a film that won’t be leaving my mind anytime soon.
@TheShqipe98 it depends on the story and how much you need to know. Or if they want to you to desire more of the movie to answer the questions you have (e.g. Inception). But for this movie I think they chose a good ending. The movie itself was very quiet and it was more about the emotions of the people and especially Martha. And having watched the movie seeing that ending scene of her on the bridge saying goodbye to that “life” and to her daughter, was heartbreaking. But the final scene with her daughter and the apple tree was able to give the audience the feeling that she finally has truly realized and accepted what happened. But that she was able to move on. And during the movie you could see the love she had for her child and in how much pain she was in. To see her finally be able to give that love she had for her deceased daughter to her real daughter, is really beautiful and you could feel the happiness that she has. So in that way I think it’s a good ending especially because this can happen to everyone but it still let’s the audience know that there is hope to find love and happiness again.
after a healthy pregnancy, my son turned blue shortly after I delivered him.. thank God I was in a hospital bc he needed so much special attention immediately and it was so extremely scary.. the part where the midwife notices the change and begins shaking took me right back to when the nurses grabbed him from me and ran him off to the NICU.. 18 years later, he is fine and healthy 🙏🏽 but this movie really threw me bc I wasn't expecting to relive any of that while watching.. even down to the contractions, I felt it all.. gonna chew on this one for a while.. my heart goes out to everyone who has lost their little loved ones.♥️
That apple tree looks to be several decades past four years old! The girl is called Luciana, Lucy and Luce; we can only assume which of these if any is her ‘actual’ name. It means light, right? Does she look into the camera, into the audience eye as she takes that first bite? I think so. Martha is shown unambiguously for just a few frames: the tree obscures her most of the time. The tree takes front and centre stage. It’s the star: the tree of life, in some sense, and the girl its fruit, just another of its many and ever-replenished fruits. Juicy Lucy, perhaps? Good film. Well worth watching.
It's unbelievable the amount of men comments about how the husband's pain was neglected and Martha, the wife was cold and inconsiderate with him. This movie feels like a mirror of many relationships that are not able to survive such fate. The husband's pain are legit and huge as it's but let's face it: men can only as much join pregnant women in a state of mind. Should the men endure all the body changes during and after pregnancy so he could claim to suffer equally. She was still in diapers, swollen and leaking milk when her husband try to force sex on her. I wish men could watch this movie and finally build some empathy with the whole process but apparently that's far the case.
I agree. As much as I think Sean was in a lot of pain, I don’t think Martha was inconsiderate. She was cold and completely detached but clearly in grief too, she was just experiencing it differently from her husband as any other person would. Plus, she was also literally living the changes in her body after giving birth, which is a daily physical reminder. And that is why this film is so good, because it accurately depicts the fallout of a relationship after trauma. Not all relationships survived and theirs obviously didn’t. What made me cringe the most was her mother’s attitude, by insisting on taking the midwife to court, when she did everything she could only to get some form of compensation and paying Sean off to leave forever just because she never really liked him, but had no problem teaming up with him to plan the funeral behind Martha’s back.
UP! I totally agree with you. People are forgetting about all the biological stuff happening to the young mother... I felt so sorry for her when the husband tried to force her to have sex. It was so sick! And the movie makes it very clear that she was going through all the changes after pregnancy. It was very sad.
Honestly though it's extremely disturbing the amount of women that agree with them. Another thing that is disturbing is that a lot of men have more empathy for male animals than they do for human women if you don't know what I mean by this I could explain it to you if want.
I haven't cried this much over a movie, it was fantastic. I felt her pain with her family dynamic too much, and the modernization of the classic histeria stereotype.
She did promise to not give their babies body away for research...and she did it behind his back and never told him. Given that info I think he could’ve done much much worse.
This is one of the best movies I’ve ever seen but saddest in the same sense... the ending I took it she had another baby and she was able to come to terms with her first daughters death I actually had to keep rewinding to completely understand
They both checked out after the death of their baby. Sadly Grief can destroy your whole life and you don’t even know who you are anymore and you will never be the same. Their chapter ended with their baby so sad 😢
Not experienced child loss myself but I have two Daughters. I can't imagine anything worse. Love to those who have felt the way Martha and Sean did/do. Amazing film.
I think the ending was she had invitro, she doesn't need a man, anyway she is wealthy, she can afford, she only get stressed by her husband and he is doing drugs, that's why the mother gave him money to stay away to her daughter, and Martha only wants to have a baby, she doesn't deserve to get cheated and throw a pilate ball on her face, that's why when she saw those seeds growing in the cotton ball in the fridge, she had hope that she can still get pregnant without a husband hahahaha, i mean, that what's my thinking. I feel bad when the husband throw a ball on her face, that is very very rude, love without respect is no love at all, better to separate.
This film is a realistic masterpiece. I like your take on the apple symbolism. I was very conflicted about Martha and Sean's relationship. I think when Sean was talking about the collapsing bridge due to resonance, he was reffering to both the relationship with Martha and his sobriety, as the loss of his daughter is traumatic enough to bring back his addictions.
I suffered a miscarriage in October. I related so much to the movie, and I cried so much. When Martha looks at children in various scenes in the film, she's wishing she had that. She's longing to have the child that died. When she's in the store looking at the apples, she's smelling them to see which one smells the closest to how her baby smelled when she was born. And man, I bawled when the ending came, and it showed the huge apple tree and her rainbow climbing it 😭
Jesus Christ. They’re not rainbow babies. Your clump of defective cells did not turn into a rainbow. It was defective and defective cells are expunged. I don’t get why you bunch have to be so dramatic over a wad of cells. It’s pathetic.
@@tonguepetals a rainbow baby is a child who is born to parents after they had a miscarriage or stillbirth. It's not the loss, its the living child afterwards. A rainbow comes after a storm, so that's why it's called that.
I don't agree with u saying Shaun never gave her space, he was hurting too and not because she's a mother dosen't make her pain greater than his, he tried to be there for her and she shuts him out , because of her own guilt she couldn't get over it because deep down she knew she was told to go to the hospital and she refuses, she knew it was somewhat her fault, then her mom and her self treats him like a nobody, she doesn't allow him to make any decisions about their baby's body I think he deserved better.
I agree with your statement but I respectfully disagree with "and not because she is a mother doesn't make her pain greater than his" - I feel like the mother feels the pain more than anyone, even her own husband, because the baby grows within her. I think that changes the way she experiences the pain compared to everyone else. Please note that I am not saying that the father does not go through that pain. I think it is the worst thing that can happen to any father😔Shia showed that so well👏🏿👏🏿
Lets agree to disagree. Men can only join women's pregnancy in a state of mind. He was alone, but even more was she, since she was stuck in a body of a mother without a child to use it. While you were taking pity on the husband did you notice that wife character was leaking milk though her breasts, still swollen (including her vagina), using diapers, very emotional and the husband still tries to force sex on her. It's amazing the amount of men who insist that she was cold with him instead of realize that if truly he was supportive and have empathy for her he would step back. I'm not saying that would save their marriage, but certainly, would prove some real dignity. Hard no to be passionate about it. Believe me, if it was something up to choice most women would like to share the pregnancy with men. Biologically speaking.
@@jujuba2099 Clearly the loss took a huge toll on him mentally so I don’t really think you can make the argument that he wasn’t supportive or didn’t feel it as much as she did. He was essentially left completely on his own to grieve the loss of his daughter. He was sober for 6 years prior so he must have been suffering to fall back into drugs. It’s painful for the mother no doubt, but the grief than fathers experience shouldn’t be invalidated or left to the wayside. Idk, I didn’t really like how Sean’s character just left without his pain being resolved as well, idk.
Re: Shia LaBeouf--I mean this totally respectfully...I think he’s picking roles who are simply “him”. I’ve read how many acclaimed actors have done the same kind of roles during their own tumultuous times, just one example ,Gary Oldman. He’s been through a lot but also he’s learned much from it. Only Mr. LaBeouf can answer whether that fits his artistic ideology or not. I guess I’m just saying I can’t wait for Shia, whom I’ve loved since “Holes”, to surpass his *ability* with his full POTENTIAL. I’m not fighting with anyone, folks. I guess I just see SOOOOO much greatness in him, and I want to see it ACCLAIMED before I croke!🙌🏼🌟🙏🏼💯
The closer the two sides of the bridge were getting, the farther the couple got from each other, but I really liked that when the bridge was finally finished, even though they were separated by the time, Martha went there with the ashes and wore the cap of Sean. Loved the film.
She used her seeds and created more apples and the new child is her moving on and bringing in a new life. We hurt, cry, we are strong and move on. That’s the power of a woman
I really love the movie because it shows me the pain I can never experience and makes me reflect on the life of those unfortunate others, and I hope it gets a criterion collection release because Netflix never puts its movies on physical copy release and I really hope to have it on my shelf or see it in theatre.
Thank you for this review. This movie was so hard to watch so I’m glad to have a place to discuss and process it! IMO The apple tree in the last shot would have been many decades old and therefore could not be the tree from her sprouted apple seeds - Martha has the same hairstyle and appears to have not aged much in the scene when she calls her daughter for dinner. I think it’s not meant to be a snapshot of the future, but rather a dream of what is to come - given that the Apple tree is too old to have grown from her seeds and Martha appears to be the same age with the same hairstyle in the scene. I took major issue with that ending. I feel that the movie should have ended with the water after she scattered the ashes over a bridge - her partner was a bridge builder. Her daughter came into this world to build a bridge between Martha and her mother and to help her partner cross his own metaphorical bridge and go to Seattle. The subtle apple theme throughout was made too “obvious” and rendered cheesy by that last scene. If the last scene is indeed a snapshot of the future, the message is: you can heal when you have another child. Some people are just not meant to have their own children and that should be OK. It is time that heals all wounds, not life events :-)
Just because the baby was cremated doesn’t mean the mother didn’t donate it to the university, just the opposite as that’s what’s usually done after universities are done with such cases. SMH!
Sure, they incinerate the remains but it would be done alongside other remains, and studies could have been done in multiple stages, so no way to say those are her baby’s ashes. Also she ultimately kept her promise not to donate the body.
@@luiskp7173 You don’t know what the hell you’re talking about, stop spewing nonsense. I know from personal experience. We don’t know for sure what Martha did with her baby but that she was cremated does not suggest she didn’t donate her.
Loved this Movie!!! Me and my daughter watching this after losing my grandson. 😭 one year later almost! Grieving with eachother and helping each other through our own daily struggles and what’s left of our life’s!!! We both enjoyed this movie!! Very bittersweet of course but shows the strength us women/mothers have to pull ourselves up when our world has been shattered and turned upside down. Prayers for all the parents watching this movie with a heavy heart of loss❤
Very tough movie to watch, but very, very good. It's the most accurate depiction of what giving birth is actually like that I have ever seen in a film. I found myself getting nauseous right along with Martha, remembering my own first birth experience - it brought me right back. It also accurately portrays how different people handle grief in their own way, and in their own timeline.
It was fantastic, better than I thought it could be, to be honest. I agree it was difficult to watch; being someone who has always wanted children, I imagined myself in this situation and the pain it would cause. Martha coming back into the court room to say that the doula (if that’s what she was) was not at fault elevated this movie to being as amazing as it was. I definitely thought the movie was going to go the route of the doula being convicted, and somehow that would be cathartic (or not) for Martha. I was very (and pleasantly) surprised when Martha gave that up. All of the symbolism that you brought up is definitely valuable and beautiful, which also helped this movie exceed my expectations. Moving from the ashes to Luciana, was heartbreaking, incredible, and perfect all at once.
When I watched the final scenes I thought she got his husband back, but he was not in the picture. So what I think it's that at some point during their crisis, they made it and neither her or him knew about it. He left without knowing she was pregnant.
I thought about that too but that’s Impossible....one, they never had sex after their loss of the baby, she shut him out. Lastly, she gave birth around September-October (first scene states it’s September 17) and he left to his hometown in Seattle in February....so, there was no way. Plus, the end end scene the girl was 5-6 years old. Unfortunately no date was given, but it was obvious He was a free spirit she was a “stiff” they were complete opposites, she probably was with him to be defiant and to spite her mother. Plus her mother paid him off to leave her alone forever.
i loved the backdrop quality that the atmosphere of this film has. it’s purposely snobbish and elitist and too concerned with looks not just for the aesthetics but to bear out the way martha’s always been subjected to her mother’s strong views on how things should be and look. martha seems to navigate life’s ups and down as a self-absorbed woman with no real drives, who can’t “lift her head” and conjure up the strength to “fight” . at the end not only does she come to terms with life’s deeper meanings but she also manages to NOT become her mother, instead she becomes A mother.
I loved how raw and emotional this movie was! It was great! I loved the birthing scene. It show a woman doesn’t always scream she grunts to. I growled and grunted when I gave birth to my daughter.
I was screaming internally when the midwife told her to lay on her right side, and when asked if she was sure, she said “...yeah..” You roll a woman to the LEFT side to increase blood flow to a baby in distress. The baby was basically strangled no mystery in the cause of death there.
This is so wrong I don’t know where to start. I agree the midwife in the film should have been more assertive but a patient can be rolled left AND right to increase perfusion. Also note that the child in the film cried at birth which suggests initial respiratory function - this is the opposite of strangulation.
@@tib8072 Left side releases pressure on arteries that more directly carry blood to the baby. Also relieves pressure on certain organs. The left side is and should always be chosen first in a medical setting when a situation like dipping fetal heart rate occurs.
@@tib8072 Many infants born with Ischemic Hypoxia will cry at birth before passing away due to brain damage from low oxygenation. It is a very real situation that happens all the time, and OBs almost always turn you to the left side when baby shows non-emergent signs of distress. Have a nice day.
@@heddispaghetti8189 babies born with HIE do not cry at birth. The baby born in this movie is revealed to die from events unrelated to the birth process (SIDS).
I don't understand who the kid is in the end. The girl who is sitting on the apple tree and shortly afterwards Martha called for dinner. Did Martha have a child after a few years or who was the girl? And I don't understand why Martha dumped the ashes of her deceased baby in the sea. I would be happy if someone could explain it to me. Btw my English is bad and I can’t understand this video😅🥴.
That girl was Martha's daughter. She finally moved on and found a new life. Martha dumped her daughter's ashes in the sea because Sean promised his daughter. Sean said he wanted his daughter to cross the bridge first and Martha granted that. And she also wore his cap when she pours their baby's ashes although he wasn't there physically to finally let go of their child.
Uhhhhhhh…I think she just likes apples because her daughter smelled like them and it’s the only thing she can remember about her. The lawyer at trial asks what she remembers about her baby, eye color, hair color etc. and all she can remember is that she smelled like apples. Thus, her obsession with smelling and growing apples. Kinda enjoyed the simplistic symbolism of it.
That one is the best after Marriage story. I kind of had same feelings at the and of the both movie..It was so realistic and I believe most of couples who lost their child gone trough same thing. It was really hard to watch never mind going trough these in real life. God.. Please help people who gone trough these and help them to heal their wounds🙌🏽❤️
I would say the acting, the emotions the characters showed in this film were extremely good, i also feel it touched on topics that happen in real life from a woman’s side! I don’t like how they portrayed his character! But in real life everyone heals differently! The ending was good, I honestly watched end credits hoping her & him were back together holding the child that climbed the tree!
I picked this movie just because of Vanessa Kirby, as she was in Netflix ‘Crown’ as queens sister. This movie is a gem. It triggers strong emotions about loosing a baby. Very realistic, grieving and symbolic. Really good movie.
So I thought the apple seeds were a way to poison. Cyanide. It wasn't till she she said her baby smelled liked apples, that I understood. Still the seeds are poisonous. Edit didn't finish my thoughts I've felt the ending was the tree she planted and the dreams she has with her. Much like her gazing at other people and their children. The ending, we saw her dreams with her daughter
I don’t think it was cyanide poisoning since she keeps spitting all the seeds out but interesting view! Newborns tend to smell sweet to new moms so some moms say apples, other moms say peaches or honey even
Such a beautiful film! The performance of Vanessa Kirby was unbelievable. The Score is by Howard Shore and you hear his experience in every second of the music.
Thank you for the video. Now I have a question ~ at a certain moment the mother mentions the ghetto and hiding and we also learn that Martha's surname is Weiss, which is not an exclusively Jewish surname, but does happen often enough to be so. I wonder why the film makers found it necessary to have this very tiny piece of the whole movie. I am sure the same message of Elizabeth could have been given in a different way. Here we have a well to do Jewish mother, her daughter is Dr. Martha Weiss with a blue collar partner - why was it so important to inject this bit of Jewishness which has no further relevance at all?
The loss of a child and the mother-daughter relationship comes from the life of the scriptwriter. The idea of the film was from the director (the writer's husband) after he found his wife's notes about some conversations w/ her mother. A huge part of the mother-daughter conflict comes from the shock of the Holocaust that affects several generations. The mother is a survivor who wants Martha to "fight" (go to court) and to mourn differently, her way of grieving was so far away from the mother's. I guess that's way it was important that this was included in the monologue.
@@Dorkacicero Thank you for your reply. So there is a lot of (or at least some) autobiographical detail hidden in the movie and clearly the writer Kata Weber is the daughter of a holocaust survivor. After I read your response, I looked up Kata Weber and found what she said in an article: "How close is the story of the film to your own? Weber: Basically, the story about being a member of a holocaust survival family, and being a certain generation within the family. That is exactly my story. I wanted to talk about how these families deal with traumas, and how they give from one generation to another a certain pattern of how to deal with tragedies. For me, it was really important, because I think it can be a burden on someone, a disaster if you cannot find your own personal way to grieve." Source: www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/toronto-hungarian-filmmakers-on-the-personal-trauma-behind-pieces-of-a-woman - Being myself the daughter and sister of holocaust survivors, this detail I had asked about in my original question has become more valuable in a way, an extra dimension which at the time of the viewing I did not really understand. I did not see any mention of it in the reactions here when I read them last night.
Would an apple tree really grow that quickly? Maybe I'm misinterpreting but I thought you implied that her apple seeds in the fridge because a tree that size by the time her daughter was that age...timeline seems off to me.
@@heavyspoilers you are awesome at what you do. Your well made informative and entertaining UA-cam videos are my favorites online. I’m always happy when I get a notification about a new video 🙂🙂 Please never stop making videos. I also follow you on Instagram and hope to see more on there as well.
I watched the movie too! Enjoyed it to the fullest. Lost a vary dear family member paste yera and therefore it was close to heart. Vanessa kirby did an amazing job acting.
I really REALLY loved this film and will be running back to see this - it is a tough watch (I watched it over 2 days), but the pay off at the end is worth going through it... real catharsis with out explicitly spelling out the symbolism... I loved the reference to apples and I think you’re on the money with you read of that. Can I just say: fuck me, that score was so good! Really sumptuous- I think a different score would have given the piece a very different feel... loved the chamber arrangement...
I felt bad for them both. They lost it after the loss of their baby it happens. The old you is no longer you. They became to different people and went through human emotions real emotions. Pain and grief are demons. No one is safe when something happens like this.
I think Shaun is still in the picture. There is a part in the movie where he calls Martha's mom "Liz" and she responds "Don't call me that!". I think Martha's mom is dead and the kid is named after her. The reason why i think Shaun is still in the picture is because he is the only one who called Martha's mom Liz. One may differ because Shaun and Liz hated each other, now here we can talk reconciliation on the basis of the "time heals all wounds" phrase. Also there is a part when Martha was running and saw someone on the bridge, which could symbolize that she was hoping he'd come back and things could be like they were. I'd say the bridge is a symbolic representation of Shaun, a man incomplete, a work in progress if you will. He needed to go and be complete in order to come back.
I actually think the same, 1 more thing when Marth was on the bridge she put on Shaun’s beanie and throw her baby’s ashes away, I think the bridge and shaun’s beanie was a representation of him, as it showed that she did stick to her promise to not to give the baby for science experiments and she finally let her baby ago and accepted.
@@moviespoiler2709 At the beginning Shaun said something about bringing his child to take first steps on the bridge once it was finished. I think the idea of Shaun being in the picture has to linger in your mind, like a 50/50 scale. He is a good guy, despite what Martha's mom says. You can't help but want him to have a happy ending. He fights with his addiction, loss of a baby, having to be strong for his partner, being a poor dude connected to a rich family who doesn't want him around. We never see his family the whole movie. It's easy to disregard his feelings, and only be one sided with our sympathies. This movie challenges the ideals of society. Often times we view a man's involvement in reproduction like a cameo role.
honestly the most painful yet beautiful movies i've ever seen in my entire life. yes I'm biased, for vanessa but regardless, everyone did an amazing job
It is depressing this movie it's like a rollercoaster for me. We can't just blame anyone I think but I do believe when Chris said that time heals everything
I really didn t see the point of this movie. What happened was really sad of course, but the movie was not interesting at all. Also the ending was very confusing.
I agree with you. This movie is way overrated and filled up with plot holes and forced scenes out of the blue. Now this guy is banging an attorney and snorting lines of coke in her office, and she happens to be related (to him or to his partner’s family?) what happened to the minivan? They setup this mystery box just because. That forced exposition during the family’s gathering is cringey. Also they show the car salesman/ brother in law vaping something before coming inside the house, what for? The mother is showing early signs of dementia, what consequences does it have? Both her daughters react sometimes condescending, sometimes like she’s the Queen or something. Was the beanie a piece of clothing she liked to “borrow” from her boyfriend? If not, why does he leave it on the truck? He was hot at Logan airport during the winter? What does natural resonance have to do with anything? The photos are taken with a digital camera, but they are on film now? And she states that the truth they are seeking wouldn’t be found in court? Maybe a roll of pictures could help. The midwife is on trail for manslaughter and the attorney think is a sure thing. Really? Malpractice or negligence maybe, but you are going to a jury trial without hard evidence and think is a sure deal? Was the “crime scene” processed? Jurors are blocked from public so public opinion is not a good indicator for what the jury is thinking. If it was a slam-dunk case it wouldn’t have gone to trial by jury in the first place. Also, what a great idea to take the D.A. on a coast to coast road trip in the middle of a trial and in winter, she didn’t go only because she called the bluff on the cat person thing.
@@luiskp7173 yes! I feel like you said it so much better. The movie had a lot of pointless scenes that should have at least been explained. I watched it because it was on Top 1 Netflix in my country and i kept waiting for that “something” to happen but i ended up being very dissapointed. I don’t get all the hype about the movie. It’s not “a hard movie to watch” at all. Maybe it’s hard to watch because it doesen’t keep you interested in the action.
Odd framing choices, screenplay sometimes didn't make sense, the litigation at the end, is that the civil-suit or was it when she was being charged by more than 1 party and if so why was the lawyer who I thought was doing just the civil-suit doing with the case? Shia Lebouf wasn't very good. Character development was lacking a bit, over 2 hours of what could have been an emotional film turned out to be quite underwhelming considering the topic at hand.
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You took it too far breadbin 🤣
Hmmm, I think, in the ending she get invitro to get pregnant, she doesn't need a man to have a baby, the husband is a cheater and druggies, so it will only make her life miserable and stressful, anyway, her family is wealthy and she can afford an invitro or any possible possible option for her to get a baby, that's my theory 👍
@@hzlcrpz887 actually women, including myself, can very well have children after such a birth. There was nothing structurally or functionally wrong with her reproductive system, the baby lost oxygen during a difficult birth. Nothing whatsoever relating to her fertility. Each pregnancy is different. Nothing in the narrative suggested she wouldn’t be able to give birth in the future; nothing was structurally compromised from anything we see on the story. Something like this is likely from positioning in the birth canal in the last moments, usually an umbilical cord or placenta not permanent or structural malfunctions, but event-based. Unique to this specific birth.
I like your take on the ending. I just thought the one imperfection in the narrative was Sean’s disappearing so entirely went against everything the narrative depicted before about this character. he obviously fell apart after the event but his love for Martha and his intense emotional tie to the pregnancy and the baby would deem him actually disappearing so willingly pretty much impossible within the framework and within the world of the story. And such an emotionally invested father would never in a million years have missed the ashes scene. He would have returned for that. I found the way the story canceled him out so abruptly and finally to be unrealistic and kind of a nod to an anti-men MeToo moment thing. Because whatever other problems & issues he had he was very emotionally invested in the baby. And if anything he was more emotionally tied to the baby afterward than she was. So he never ever would’ve entirely disappeared that way. Imho. FWIW, I read an interview with the filmmaking couple where they said the little girl is 100% real they were surprised and amused there were theories that she was a figment of Martha’s imagination. They said it never crossed their minds. They stated their intention was to show that as broken as Martha was for most of the narrative, she will eventually move on and heal and that it was important that her old life was left behind but she will have a new life. They said that’s why they so totally discarded Sean. To mark his presence as “life before the event” and to mark his absence as “life after the event”. I didn’t buy that last bit about Sean but I bought the rest of the explanation. Cheers, great channel.
Remember that apple seeds are poisonous to humans in sufficient quantity when crushed (It takes crushing the seeds of about 8 apples to make a lethal dose) First time I saw her collecting apple seeds it crossed my mind that she was contemplating suicide, and changed her mind in the bookstore, she was just roaming books about plants and the bookkeeper assumed she was looking for a book about sprouts, in that moment she realized that an ordinary man associated her with fertility so why shouldn’t she look at herself in the same way.
She wore his beanie at the end when she pours their child’s ashes. It was also done on the bridge he was building. There’s some symbolism there as well. Loved the movie.
There relationship ended so tragically so I was confused on to why she did that but your comment gives me a better understanding
Yes, perfect
Yeas... she wore that bec he wasn’t there physically to finally let go of their child
That scene about the bridge collapsing due to resonance made me think about how the death of their baby was simply the consequence of their vibrations. They couldn’t come up with a reason for the baby dying similar to how they couldn’t figure out why the bridge collapsed.
Good catch 👍🏼
The bridge in the painting is the Bosphorus Bridge in Istanbul, Turkey. It is a symbolic error in the first place!
This was a tough movie to watch , specially the first act , but my god the performance of the actors is just mesmerizing , i liked the movie
This film isn’t for everyone but the writers knew what they were doing . They brought so much to light from losing a child to the stigma against home births & people trying to tell women what to do with their own bodies.
to me the seeds and how she germinated so many of them in the damp paper towels and how only some grew while others just didn't represented to me her coming to terms with the fact that sometimes the seed just doesn't work and we don't know why, but that doesn't mean that the next one won't be a super healthy sprout. Helped her come to terms with it not being anyones fault and gave her hope for the future.
Yeah, that’s what I thought. Also there we’re only 4-5 seeds between every cotton. And research has said that 1 in every 4 births end in miscarriage.
I like how this was about mothers and daughters. Martha was dealing with the loss of her daughter and her strain with her own mother. And in her mother’s anecdote, it was all about a woman fighting for her baby’s survival. Notice how the writers didn’t include a father figure for Martha.
Single mothers are the worst parents. Good movie.
the dad said he wanted his daughter to cross the bridge first and mom granted that wish i guess, not first but yeah... this movie made me incredibly sad i don't even know why because i'm single and plan on being childfree. it hurt too much to see someone going through that
As a woman who has lost three children the movie was raw and emotional, especially the beginning.
Overall, I did not completely enjoy it though. I really disliked how the husband and father of the child was overlooked. It was so selfish of her to promise him she wouldn't donate their child's body and then made him think she did. It's just as much the father's child as it is the mother's.
My husband struggled even more than I did at times with the loss of our children. I'm not even a man and that was frustrating about the movie.
Secondly, they make it a "my body issue." Clearly it was not her body. It was thier daughter's body that died and whom they grieved over.
Anyway... I guess I'm a little frustrated because it seemed a little contrived in regards to making the woman the main victim of suffering such loss.
To all the women and men who've lost a child, my prayers are with you. It's truly heartbreaking and you never stop wondering what could have been. However, there is hope and healing.💗
I agree with you 100%
I also didn't like how she dismissed her husband/ partner in the film although I felt that by using her coldness they managed to portray his pain pretty well. Martha went through a journey of coming to terms with what had happened. Shutting out her emotions and her partner were very clear hence he was a victim of her avoidance and was left to bereave alone. I felt very emotional for them both. It was a very hard topic but it affects so many people that it deserves much more exposure.
100% agree with you
YESS! I'M SOO FRUSTRADED with the way they managed the father's story, I really thought he was not going to accept the old lady's money because he realised in that moment that wasn't what he wanted. So much more about his struggle that was thrown to the trash, he deserved a better ending than just being the person who left.
I completely agree with you. My partner and I experienced a twin loss recently and i would even say it's hit him harder than i. I saw him struggling to support our grief, so I forced myself to take over and be strong out of respect and love for him.
We all mourn in our own ways and we are not obliged to understand the other - just to be present with communication open.
Martha completely cut herself off leaving him crying on the other side of a closed door. He tried time and time again to keep the team going to no avail. The guy was so swept to the side in all this by her and her mother it had me grinding my teeth!
About the apple seed she spits ands stops to look at it, I also thought that when you are at the beginning of your pregnancy, it is often said that your baby is the size of an apple seed, right at the very beginning. After all, when you loose a child you don’t need a pretext to remember him/her. Everything reminds you of her.
Ellen Burstyn was wonderful. The line, if you had done it my way, you would be holding the baby in your arms rights now, blew me away.
my mother would have grilled that guilt trip comment at me forever
I wanted to beat the 💩 out the mother when she said that. I thought she was going to slap her. That was the worst thing anybody could say to another person. Great acting.
Yeah, but if I'm being honest, Martha's mother Elizabeth is just something else. I mean, offering Sean money to leave Martha and Sean for good? If I was Sean, I would rip the check up and tell her either, "I'd rather have a homeless life than take money from you." or "I don't want/need your money. And I never did. It's just the only thing you had to give.", and leave.
Because Elizabeth has always hated him just because Sean wasn't everything she wanted Martha to have as a husband. And she keeps buying those two everything and Sean keeps telling her, "You shouldn't have. I could have paid for it/them myself.", which Sean could have. I mean, just because a couple ain't rich, doesn't mean they can't manage. But no, Martha's mom just makes it all about her.
Other than that, great performance from Burstyn for making a character some audience would hate.
Yasssss!!!!😲Blew me away too!!!! Excellent acting! And tho it might not have been the right moment- she did have a point!
I myself experienced baby loss, 3 months ago. And this movie is everything I needed and more. This needs to be a topic more covered, and normalized.
I know this doesn't mean much in the face of what you've gone through but I'm so very sorry that happened to you and your family. So goddamn sorry.
Sorry for your loss.
it should not be normalized it is not a normal tragedy
I’m so sorry to hear this. Peace and love to you 💙
@@mermaidhippo7596 Well it should be talked about more, instead of being a taboo. There aren’t many resources for women who go through things like this.
anyone catch the seasons metaphor? how over time it’s like she healed from the “dark winter”
omfg i didn't notice that until you mentioned thatttt
yes, her rebirth in spring
This was a tough movie to watch.
Yeah very tough, that half hour scene a second time around is even worse knowing fully what happens
I saw the child at the end as another "real" child Martha had and not her imagination... because it is in a way hope and moving forward even in the wake of sadness. it was sad regardless....
I love Vanessa Kirby, as Martha she goes through so many emotions. Her physicality and unraveling emotions, she does it all. The smell of apples became so important to her and her speech in court was right on the money. Nothing can compensate the loss. Give her the bloody Oscar!
Yeah the money thing was big, wish I’d mentioned that in the vid but it’s difficult to cover absolutely everything
@@heavyspoilers Your review was great!
Any connection between the midwife (Eva) and apples to Eve/garden and the forbidden fruit?
Ah good catch
I think your right.
Definitely
And I wonder if Luciana has any connection to Lucifer, climbing the tree looking for an Apple to eat. Definitely a dark idea but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Man I teared up when Martha confronted her mother at the dinner party. She’s my new fav actor now and the ending was just perfect.
I didn’t even realize this movie had so much symbolism! Movie was extremely tough to watch but the acting and raw emotion in the movie brilliant. One thing I realized is that I’m kind of conflicted about Sean’s character.
shia labeouf is choosing good movies .. after transformers and all. Liked him in peanut Butter falcon
i recommend "American Honey" and "Nymphomaniac". Also great movies :)
Mmmm I really don’t know what to say about this movie I lost 2 babies and me and my husband were so close I felt understood he held me I was putting so much blame on me but he did his best on always trying to see me smile so it hard to even say my opinion but I guess it’s very different for everyone on how they deal but I’m happy we didn’t deal with it that way
Condolence
Happy for u queen
It can make you a stronger couple or it can destroy them 😢 you were very blessed hun. When grief comes no one is safe. 🙏
She put on Sean's beanie when she threw the ashes into the river . Does that mean she's still thinking of him ? Did she just want to do that together with a piece of him ? What do you think ?
Ah nice catch
Nope, she keep it to her husband, she keep it to herself, and she didn't even confront her husband about the earing, I think she always calculating time, she knows, it will be a waste of time confronting her husband, she only want a baby and that's worth the stress for, since she can afford invitro, she let go her cheater and druggies husband and started to grow up and be a woman.
She keep it to her husband about the cremation she did, which means she's a grown up woman and responsible for her every decision.
Idk but I was hoping he’d pop back up at the end of the movie.
@@hzlcrpz887 he only cheated and went back to alcohol and drugs because of what they went through and because she completely shut him off. Losing a child at any stage will either make or break you as a couple and usually the father and mother grieve in completely different ways which make it harder.
even the cinematography was incredible, that whole one shot segment when all of them were at the mothers living room, even the spontaneous and dialogues so relatable. If u look at vennessa during the birth scene u feel those sensations( when she's tired u feel the burden tiring her, when she's in pain, u feel that tug inside her) , with the sound and her body language. I'm not a huge enthusiast f this genre but the film making is staggeringly amazing. Think some of the techniques here should be studied an implemented in various other genres even fiction
Shia LaBeouf was brilliant
But he’s was abusive!!
@@orhanamin1347 but was acting in a film that was made before all the reports, and I can separate his art from his personal life.
Movies That Maher w The Viking i agreed
Right and he was bold and flashed us😁
@@karinajacobs6447 I'm guessing you liked that part lol
‘Pieces of a Woman’ features one of the best performances (so far) of 2021 in Vanessa Kirby. I do agree, it was very hard to watch at times, and it has very slow pacing after the intense first 30 mins. But it is definitely a film that won’t be leaving my mind anytime soon.
Yeah same, very memorable movie
It's a 2020 film.
@@iDGF999 nah 2021 in the U.S
*limited release in 2020, but imma count it as 2021
The best ending is when they're not telling you what it is
@TheShqipe98 it depends on the story and how much you need to know. Or if they want to you to desire more of the movie to answer the questions you have (e.g. Inception). But for this movie I think they chose a good ending. The movie itself was very quiet and it was more about the emotions of the people and especially Martha. And having watched the movie seeing that ending scene of her on the bridge saying goodbye to that “life” and to her daughter, was heartbreaking. But the final scene with her daughter and the apple tree was able to give the audience the feeling that she finally has truly realized and accepted what happened. But that she was able to move on. And during the movie you could see the love she had for her child and in how much pain she was in. To see her finally be able to give that love she had for her deceased daughter to her real daughter, is really beautiful and you could feel the happiness that she has. So in that way I think it’s a good ending especially because this can happen to everyone but it still let’s the audience know that there is hope to find love and happiness again.
@@romynijland6392it’s even more sadder when you realize the tree was just a vision of hers of the life she could’ve had.
after a healthy pregnancy, my son turned blue shortly after I delivered him.. thank God I was in a hospital bc he needed so much special attention immediately and it was so extremely scary.. the part where the midwife notices the change and begins shaking took me right back to when the nurses grabbed him from me and ran him off to the NICU.. 18 years later, he is fine and healthy 🙏🏽 but this movie really threw me bc I wasn't expecting to relive any of that while watching.. even down to the contractions, I felt it all.. gonna chew on this one for a while.. my heart goes out to everyone who has lost their little loved ones.♥️
That apple tree looks to be several decades past four years old!
The girl is called Luciana, Lucy and Luce; we can only assume which of these if any is her ‘actual’ name. It means light, right? Does she look into the camera, into the audience eye as she takes that first bite? I think so. Martha is shown unambiguously for just a few frames: the tree obscures her most of the time. The tree takes front and centre stage. It’s the star: the tree of life, in some sense, and the girl its fruit, just another of its many and ever-replenished fruits. Juicy Lucy, perhaps?
Good film. Well worth watching.
It's unbelievable the amount of men comments about how the husband's pain was neglected and Martha, the wife was cold and inconsiderate with him. This movie feels like a mirror of many relationships that are not able to survive such fate. The husband's pain are legit and huge as it's but let's face it: men can only as much join pregnant women in a state of mind. Should the men endure all the body changes during and after pregnancy so he could claim to suffer equally. She was still in diapers, swollen and leaking milk when her husband try to force sex on her. I wish men could watch this movie and finally build some empathy with the whole process but apparently that's far the case.
I agree. As much as I think Sean was in a lot of pain, I don’t think Martha was inconsiderate. She was cold and completely detached but clearly in grief too, she was just experiencing it differently from her husband as any other person would. Plus, she was also literally living the changes in her body after giving birth, which is a daily physical reminder.
And that is why this film is so good, because it accurately depicts the fallout of a relationship after trauma. Not all relationships survived and theirs obviously didn’t.
What made me cringe the most was her mother’s attitude, by insisting on taking the midwife to court, when she did everything she could only to get some form of compensation and paying Sean off to leave forever just because she never really liked him, but had no problem teaming up with him to plan the funeral behind Martha’s back.
@@lauracee5081 I agree! Indeed revolting.
UP! I totally agree with you. People are forgetting about all the biological stuff happening to the young mother...
I felt so sorry for her when the husband tried to force her to have sex. It was so sick! And the movie makes it very clear that she was going through all the changes after pregnancy. It was very sad.
@@jeleirit true!
Honestly though it's extremely disturbing the amount of women that agree with them. Another thing that is disturbing is that a lot of men have more empathy for male animals than they do for human women if you don't know what I mean by this I could explain it to you if want.
I haven't cried this much over a movie, it was fantastic. I felt her pain with her family dynamic too much, and the modernization of the classic histeria stereotype.
are we not gonna talk about shaun throwing a ball at martha's face? or are we pretending thats okay cause hes greiving ?
It was painful to watch
I know right?!
That was shocking... initially he was showd as a nice husband.
I thought that too, that they were together mainly because of the baby, because he seemed abusive
She did promise to not give their babies body away for research...and she did it behind his back and never told him. Given that info I think he could’ve done much much worse.
This was a very sad movie, but it was good.
I loved Vanessa Kirby in The Crown and she was amazing in this film.
This is one of the best movies I’ve ever seen but saddest in the same sense... the ending I took it she had another baby and she was able to come to terms with her first daughters death I actually had to keep rewinding to completely understand
So sad. I kept waiting for Sean to come back & he never did 😭😭😭
Honestly, I think it's better this way because can you really forgive him for cheating on you?
with a relative, nonetheless.. but that part never was revealed..
It's better this way tbh
They both checked out after the death of their baby. Sadly Grief can destroy your whole life and you don’t even know who you are anymore and you will never be the same. Their chapter ended with their baby so sad 😢
That birth scene was so intense
Yeah very
I felt those contractions, seriously 😩
It was raw and long😌
😂 me too@@KishBish All the emotions were very realistic.
That was painful to watch. Definitely one of the best movies I've ever watched . Given me some food for thought.
So deep, feels like an experience more than a movie
Not experienced child loss myself but I have two Daughters. I can't imagine anything worse. Love to those who have felt the way Martha and Sean did/do. Amazing film.
Even with all the controversies I still really like Shia LaBeouf
But who cares about shia, it really sucks.
Shia is a great actor
His a good actor regardless of his personal issues thats why
@TheShqipe98 I love Shia LaBeouf and he’s one of my favourite actors the controversy I was talking about is the alleged sexual assault
I think the ending was she had invitro, she doesn't need a man, anyway she is wealthy, she can afford, she only get stressed by her husband and he is doing drugs, that's why the mother gave him money to stay away to her daughter, and Martha only wants to have a baby, she doesn't deserve to get cheated and throw a pilate ball on her face, that's why when she saw those seeds growing in the cotton ball in the fridge, she had hope that she can still get pregnant without a husband hahahaha, i mean, that what's my thinking.
I feel bad when the husband throw a ball on her face, that is very very rude, love without respect is no love at all, better to separate.
This film is a realistic masterpiece. I like your take on the apple symbolism. I was very conflicted about Martha and Sean's relationship. I think when Sean was talking about the collapsing bridge due to resonance, he was reffering to both the relationship with Martha and his sobriety, as the loss of his daughter is traumatic enough to bring back his addictions.
I suffered a miscarriage in October. I related so much to the movie, and I cried so much. When Martha looks at children in various scenes in the film, she's wishing she had that. She's longing to have the child that died. When she's in the store looking at the apples, she's smelling them to see which one smells the closest to how her baby smelled when she was born. And man, I bawled when the ending came, and it showed the huge apple tree and her rainbow climbing it 😭
Jesus Christ. They’re not rainbow babies. Your clump of defective cells did not turn into a rainbow. It was defective and defective cells are expunged. I don’t get why you bunch have to be so dramatic over a wad of cells. It’s pathetic.
@@tonguepetals a rainbow baby is a child who is born to parents after they had a miscarriage or stillbirth. It's not the loss, its the living child afterwards. A rainbow comes after a storm, so that's why it's called that.
Truly touching the whole movie
I loved this movie. I just watched it yesterday .
The scene when she sees the picture for the first time really broke me down.
I don't agree with u saying Shaun never gave her space, he was hurting too and not because she's a mother dosen't make her pain greater than his, he tried to be there for her and she shuts him out , because of her own guilt she couldn't get over it because deep down she knew she was told to go to the hospital and she refuses, she knew it was somewhat her fault, then her mom and her self treats him like a nobody, she doesn't allow him to make any decisions about their baby's body I think he deserved better.
I agree with your statement but I respectfully disagree with "and not because she is a mother doesn't make her pain greater than his" - I feel like the mother feels the pain more than anyone, even her own husband, because the baby grows within her. I think that changes the way she experiences the pain compared to everyone else.
Please note that I am not saying that the father does not go through that pain. I think it is the worst thing that can happen to any father😔Shia showed that so well👏🏿👏🏿
Lets agree to disagree. Men can only join women's pregnancy in a state of mind. He was alone, but even more was she, since she was stuck in a body of a mother without a child to use it. While you were taking pity on the husband did you notice that wife character was leaking milk though her breasts, still swollen (including her vagina), using diapers, very emotional and the husband still tries to force sex on her. It's amazing the amount of men who insist that she was cold with him instead of realize that if truly he was supportive and have empathy for her he would step back. I'm not saying that would save their marriage, but certainly, would prove some real dignity. Hard no to be passionate about it. Believe me, if it was something up to choice most women would like to share the pregnancy with men. Biologically speaking.
@@jujuba2099 Clearly the loss took a huge toll on him mentally so I don’t really think you can make the argument that he wasn’t supportive or didn’t feel it as much as she did. He was essentially left completely on his own to grieve the loss of his daughter. He was sober for 6 years prior so he must have been suffering to fall back into drugs. It’s painful for the mother no doubt, but the grief than fathers experience shouldn’t be invalidated or left to the wayside. Idk, I didn’t really like how Sean’s character just left without his pain being resolved as well, idk.
@@jujuba2099 I agree
The last scene with the apple trees makes me think she left with Sean to Seattle. Apple trees are a staple at Seattle.
I really hope that’s what happened, some people are saying it may have been just her dreams with her daughter.
Baby’s name was different than the second child’s name. I thought that at first but I don’t believe so
Re: Shia LaBeouf--I mean this totally respectfully...I think he’s picking roles who are simply “him”. I’ve read how many acclaimed actors have done the same kind of roles during their own tumultuous times, just one example ,Gary Oldman. He’s been through a lot but also he’s learned much from it. Only Mr. LaBeouf can answer whether that fits his artistic ideology or not. I guess I’m just saying I can’t wait for Shia, whom I’ve loved since “Holes”, to surpass his *ability* with his full POTENTIAL. I’m not fighting with anyone, folks. I guess I just see SOOOOO much greatness in him, and I want to see it ACCLAIMED before I croke!🙌🏼🌟🙏🏼💯
Damn i hate depressing movies but your review make it sound interesting so I'll give it a watch.
Yeah it’s worth checking out
The closer the two sides of the bridge were getting, the farther the couple got from each other, but I really liked that when the bridge was finally finished, even though they were separated by the time, Martha went there with the ashes and wore the cap of Sean. Loved the film.
fairly sure the bridge is a metaphor for martha’s grief
She used her seeds and created more apples and the new child is her moving on and bringing in a new life. We hurt, cry, we are strong and move on. That’s the power of a woman
No doubt
I really love the movie because it shows me the pain I can never experience and makes me reflect on the life of those unfortunate others, and I hope it gets a criterion collection release because Netflix never puts its movies on physical copy release and I really hope to have it on my shelf or see it in theatre.
Thank you for this review. This movie was so hard to watch so I’m glad to have a place to discuss and process it!
IMO The apple tree in the last shot would have been many decades old and therefore could not be the tree from her sprouted apple seeds - Martha has the same hairstyle and appears to have not aged much in the scene when she calls her daughter for dinner.
I think it’s not meant to be a snapshot of the future, but rather a dream of what is to come - given that the Apple tree is too old to have grown from her seeds and Martha appears to be the same age with the same hairstyle in the scene.
I took major issue with that ending. I feel that the movie should have ended with the water after she scattered the ashes over a bridge - her partner was a bridge builder. Her daughter came into this world to build a bridge between Martha and her mother and to help her partner cross his own metaphorical bridge and go to Seattle.
The subtle apple theme throughout was made too “obvious” and rendered cheesy by that last scene.
If the last scene is indeed a snapshot of the future, the message is: you can heal when you have another child. Some people are just not meant to have their own children and that should be OK. It is time that heals all wounds, not life events :-)
Totally agree with your statement!
It is similar to another movie I was a few months back. Manchester by the sea.
Lots of parallels between the two.
Just because the baby was cremated doesn’t mean the mother didn’t donate it to the university, just the opposite as that’s what’s usually done after universities are done with such cases. SMH!
Sure, they incinerate the remains but it would be done alongside other remains, and studies could have been done in multiple stages, so no way to say those are her baby’s ashes. Also she ultimately kept her promise not to donate the body.
@@luiskp7173 You don’t know what the hell you’re talking about, stop spewing nonsense. I know from personal experience.
We don’t know for sure what Martha did with her baby but that she was cremated does not suggest she didn’t donate her.
Beautiful and touching performance by all actors involved! Masterpiece
Loved this Movie!!!
Me and my daughter watching this after losing my grandson. 😭 one year later almost! Grieving with eachother and helping each other through our own daily struggles and what’s left of our life’s!!!
We both enjoyed this movie!! Very bittersweet of course but shows the strength us women/mothers have to pull ourselves up when our world has been shattered and turned upside down.
Prayers for all the parents watching this movie with a heavy heart of loss❤
Very tough movie to watch, but very, very good. It's the most accurate depiction of what giving birth is actually like that I have ever seen in a film. I found myself getting nauseous right along with Martha, remembering my own first birth experience - it brought me right back. It also accurately portrays how different people handle grief in their own way, and in their own timeline.
It was fantastic, better than I thought it could be, to be honest. I agree it was difficult to watch; being someone who has always wanted children, I imagined myself in this situation and the pain it would cause. Martha coming back into the court room to say that the doula (if that’s what she was) was not at fault elevated this movie to being as amazing as it was. I definitely thought the movie was going to go the route of the doula being convicted, and somehow that would be cathartic (or not) for Martha. I was very (and pleasantly) surprised when Martha gave that up.
All of the symbolism that you brought up is definitely valuable and beautiful, which also helped this movie exceed my expectations. Moving from the ashes to Luciana, was heartbreaking, incredible, and perfect all at once.
When I watched the final scenes I thought she got his husband back, but he was not in the picture. So what I think it's that at some point during their crisis, they made it and neither her or him knew about it. He left without knowing she was pregnant.
I thought about that too but that’s Impossible....one, they never had sex after their loss of the baby, she shut him out. Lastly, she gave birth around September-October (first scene states it’s September 17) and he left to his hometown in Seattle in February....so, there was no way. Plus, the end end scene the girl was 5-6 years old. Unfortunately no date was given, but it was obvious He was a free spirit she was a “stiff” they were complete opposites, she probably was with him to be defiant and to spite her mother. Plus her mother paid him off to leave her alone forever.
i loved the backdrop quality that the atmosphere of this film has. it’s purposely snobbish and elitist and too concerned with looks not just for the aesthetics but to bear out the way martha’s always been subjected to her mother’s strong views on how things should be and look. martha seems to navigate life’s ups and down as a self-absorbed woman with no real drives, who can’t “lift her head” and conjure up the strength to “fight” . at the end not only does she come to terms with life’s deeper meanings but she also manages to NOT become her mother, instead she becomes A mother.
This movie broke me. I haven't been so moved by a film in years. Stunning performances. Just brillant.
No sleep for me tonight...So glad to see a video :')
Thanks for staying up, hope you enjoy it
I loved how raw and emotional this movie was! It was great! I loved the birthing scene. It show a woman doesn’t always scream she grunts to. I growled and grunted when I gave birth to my daughter.
Vanessa Kirby 😍. Really sold it.
I was screaming internally when the midwife told her to lay on her right side, and when asked if she was sure, she said “...yeah..” You roll a woman to the LEFT side to increase blood flow to a baby in distress. The baby was basically strangled no mystery in the cause of death there.
This is so wrong I don’t know where to start. I agree the midwife in the film should have been more assertive but a patient can be rolled left AND right to increase perfusion. Also note that the child in the film cried at birth which suggests initial respiratory function - this is the opposite of strangulation.
@@tib8072 Left side releases pressure on arteries that more directly carry blood to the baby. Also relieves pressure on certain organs. The left side is and should always be chosen first in a medical setting when a situation like dipping fetal heart rate occurs.
@@heddispaghetti8189 yes it should be chosen first. But it is not the only option.
@@tib8072 Many infants born with Ischemic Hypoxia will cry at birth before passing away due to brain damage from low oxygenation. It is a very real situation that happens all the time, and OBs almost always turn you to the left side when baby shows non-emergent signs of distress. Have a nice day.
@@heddispaghetti8189 babies born with HIE do not cry at birth. The baby born in this movie is revealed to die from events unrelated to the birth process (SIDS).
I don't understand who the kid is in the end. The girl who is sitting on the apple tree and shortly afterwards Martha called for dinner. Did Martha have a child after a few years or who was the girl? And I don't understand why Martha dumped the ashes of her deceased baby in the sea. I would be happy if someone could explain it to me. Btw my English is bad and I can’t understand this video😅🥴.
That girl was Martha's daughter. She finally moved on and found a new life. Martha dumped her daughter's ashes in the sea because Sean promised his daughter. Sean said he wanted his daughter to cross the bridge first and Martha granted that. And she also wore his cap when she pours their baby's ashes although he wasn't there physically to finally let go of their child.
Uhhhhhhh…I think she just likes apples because her daughter smelled like them and it’s the only thing she can remember about her. The lawyer at trial asks what she remembers about her baby, eye color, hair color etc. and all she can remember is that she smelled like apples. Thus, her obsession with smelling and growing apples. Kinda enjoyed the simplistic symbolism of it.
That one is the best after Marriage story. I kind of had same feelings at the and of the both movie..It was so realistic and I believe most of couples who lost their child gone trough same thing.
It was really hard to watch never mind going trough these in real life. God.. Please help people who gone trough these and help them to heal their wounds🙌🏽❤️
Awesome video mate. You are the best youtuber according to me.
And everyone AAMMMIRIGHT
@@heavyspoilers you are replying to my comment such a nice man you are .
@@heavyspoilers haha
I interpreted it as the seeds/apples represents bad seeds and how some seeds sprout and thrive and others dont
I would say the acting, the emotions the characters showed in this film were extremely good, i also feel it touched on topics that happen in real life from a woman’s side! I don’t like how they portrayed his character! But in real life everyone heals differently! The ending was good, I honestly watched end credits hoping her & him were back together holding the child that climbed the tree!
I was hoping they were back together too, but unfortunately I think he was gone for good since her mom paid him off
Watching this as both a recovering addict and an expectant father, this shit had me absolutely captivated and heartbroken all at the same time.
Sean was a douchebag in my opinion for leaving her in that critical situation! Smh.....
I picked this movie just because of Vanessa Kirby, as she was in Netflix ‘Crown’ as queens sister.
This movie is a gem. It triggers strong emotions about loosing a baby. Very realistic, grieving and symbolic. Really good movie.
So I thought the apple seeds were a way to poison. Cyanide. It wasn't till she she said her baby smelled liked apples, that I understood. Still the seeds are poisonous. Edit didn't finish my thoughts
I've felt the ending was the tree she planted and the dreams she has with her. Much like her gazing at other people and their children. The ending, we saw her dreams with her daughter
I don’t think it was cyanide poisoning since she keeps spitting all the seeds out but interesting view! Newborns tend to smell sweet to new moms so some moms say apples, other moms say peaches or honey even
When a body is donated the ashes are returned to the donor.
I wondered about this because it looked like she was signing away the baby's body for science earlier in the film. I'm still confused about that
Such a beautiful film! The performance of Vanessa Kirby was unbelievable.
The Score is by Howard Shore and you hear his experience in every second of the music.
I felt like I was on that journey with her... that’s the test of a good movie to me.
Very great break down!
I thought the apples on the apple tree were also to honour all the children lost in still births/miscarriages
This movie broke me and put me back together
Thank you for the video. Now I have a question ~ at a certain moment the mother mentions the ghetto and hiding and we also learn that Martha's surname is Weiss, which is not an exclusively Jewish surname, but does happen often enough to be so. I wonder why the film makers found it necessary to have this very tiny piece of the whole movie. I am sure the same message of Elizabeth could have been given in a different way. Here we have a well to do Jewish mother, her daughter is Dr. Martha Weiss with a blue collar partner - why was it so important to inject this bit of Jewishness which has no further relevance at all?
The loss of a child and the mother-daughter relationship comes from the life of the scriptwriter. The idea of the film was from the director (the writer's husband) after he found his wife's notes about some conversations w/ her mother. A huge part of the mother-daughter conflict comes from the shock of the Holocaust that affects several generations. The mother is a survivor who wants Martha to "fight" (go to court) and to mourn differently, her way of grieving was so far away from the mother's. I guess that's way it was important that this was included in the monologue.
@@Dorkacicero Thank you for your reply. So there is a lot of (or at least some) autobiographical detail hidden in the movie and clearly the writer Kata Weber is the daughter of a holocaust survivor. After I read your response, I looked up Kata Weber and found what she said in an article: "How close is the story of the film to your own?
Weber: Basically, the story about being a member of a holocaust survival family, and being a certain generation within the family. That is exactly my story. I wanted to talk about how these families deal with traumas, and how they give from one generation to another a certain pattern of how to deal with tragedies. For me, it was really important, because I think it can be a burden on someone, a disaster if you cannot find your own personal way to grieve." Source: www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/toronto-hungarian-filmmakers-on-the-personal-trauma-behind-pieces-of-a-woman - Being myself the daughter and sister of holocaust survivors, this detail I had asked about in my original question has become more valuable in a way, an extra dimension which at the time of the viewing I did not really understand. I did not see any mention of it in the reactions here when I read them last night.
Would an apple tree really grow that quickly? Maybe I'm misinterpreting but I thought you implied that her apple seeds in the fridge because a tree that size by the time her daughter was that age...timeline seems off to me.
Thanks it was so helpful to more understanding :)
I find lots of similarities between this movie and "In the Bedroom" that got multiple Oscar nominations and a Golden Globe for Sissy Spacek.
Love this breakdown! Great film. Brilliantly done Paul.
Thanks Bridget, and thank you for all the support as well, means a lot seeing all your comments on the videos
@@heavyspoilers you are awesome at what you do. Your well made informative and entertaining UA-cam videos are my favorites online. I’m always happy when I get a notification about a new video 🙂🙂 Please never stop making videos. I also follow you on Instagram and hope to see more on there as well.
I watched the movie too! Enjoyed it to the fullest. Lost a vary dear family member paste yera and therefore it was close to heart. Vanessa kirby did an amazing job acting.
Scary and sad to watch the first part but the symbolism of the apple will take you to the end and makes you feel quite relief and happy.
I really REALLY loved this film and will be running back to see this - it is a tough watch (I watched it over 2 days), but the pay off at the end is worth going through it... real catharsis with out explicitly spelling out the symbolism... I loved the reference to apples and I think you’re on the money with you read of that. Can I just say: fuck me, that score was so good! Really sumptuous- I think a different score would have given the piece a very different feel... loved the chamber arrangement...
I honestly felt bad for Sean.
Before or after he smashes her face with the exercise ball?
Why? He was totally useless.
I felt bad for them both. They lost it after the loss of their baby it happens. The old you is no longer you. They became to different people and went through human emotions real emotions. Pain and grief are demons. No one is safe when something happens like this.
I think Shaun is still in the picture. There is a part in the movie where he calls Martha's mom "Liz" and she responds "Don't call me that!". I think Martha's mom is dead and the kid is named after her. The reason why i think Shaun is still in the picture is because he is the only one who called Martha's mom Liz. One may differ because Shaun and Liz hated each other, now here we can talk reconciliation on the basis of the "time heals all wounds" phrase. Also there is a part when Martha was running and saw someone on the bridge, which could symbolize that she was hoping he'd come back and things could be like they were. I'd say the bridge is a symbolic representation of Shaun, a man incomplete, a work in progress if you will. He needed to go and be complete in order to come back.
He also explained the lawyer about a brigde that collapsed years ago, when it seemed perfect, the way his baby looked (perfect) but finally died :(
I actually think the same, 1 more thing when Marth was on the bridge she put on Shaun’s beanie and throw her baby’s ashes away, I think the bridge and shaun’s beanie was a representation of him, as it showed that she did stick to her promise to not to give the baby for science experiments and she finally let her baby ago and accepted.
@@moviespoiler2709 she didn’t “throw the baby’s ashes away”... how “crude”! She simply “released” her in peace.
@@moviespoiler2709 At the beginning Shaun said something about bringing his child to take first steps on the bridge once it was finished. I think the idea of Shaun being in the picture has to linger in your mind, like a 50/50 scale. He is a good guy, despite what Martha's mom says. You can't help but want him to have a happy ending. He fights with his addiction, loss of a baby, having to be strong for his partner, being a poor dude connected to a rich family who doesn't want him around. We never see his family the whole movie. It's easy to disregard his feelings, and only be one sided with our sympathies. This movie challenges the ideals of society. Often times we view a man's involvement in reproduction like a cameo role.
She would be a perfect actress to play Elizabeth from Theranos.
honestly the most painful yet beautiful movies i've ever seen in my entire life. yes I'm biased, for vanessa but regardless, everyone did an amazing job
I think pairing this films vibe with 2020 ending is fitting.
Just 8 days in and 2021 is a train wreck haha
@@heavyspoilers That LoTR 4k box set could help to ease my pain though, ;)
It is depressing this movie it's like a rollercoaster for me. We can't just blame anyone I think but I do believe when Chris said that time heals everything
Are you going to be doing any videos on Two Weeks to Live?
Shia LaBeouf deserves an Oscar nomination.
I really didn t see the point of this movie. What happened was really sad of course, but the movie was not interesting at all. Also the ending was very confusing.
I agree with you. This movie is way overrated and filled up with plot holes and forced scenes out of the blue. Now this guy is banging an attorney and snorting lines of coke in her office, and she happens to be related (to him or to his partner’s family?) what happened to the minivan? They setup this mystery box just because. That forced exposition during the family’s gathering is cringey. Also they show the car salesman/ brother in law vaping something before coming inside the house, what for? The mother is showing early signs of dementia, what consequences does it have? Both her daughters react sometimes condescending, sometimes like she’s the Queen or something. Was the beanie a piece of clothing she liked to “borrow” from her boyfriend? If not, why does he leave it on the truck? He was hot at Logan airport during the winter? What does natural resonance have to do with anything? The photos are taken with a digital camera, but they are on film now? And she states that the truth they are seeking wouldn’t be found in court? Maybe a roll of pictures could help. The midwife is on trail for manslaughter and the attorney think is a sure thing. Really? Malpractice or negligence maybe, but you are going to a jury trial without hard evidence and think is a sure deal? Was the “crime scene” processed? Jurors are blocked from public so public opinion is not a good indicator for what the jury is thinking. If it was a slam-dunk case it wouldn’t have gone to trial by jury in the first place. Also, what a great idea to take the D.A. on a coast to coast road trip in the middle of a trial and in winter, she didn’t go only because she called the bluff on the cat person thing.
@@luiskp7173 yes! I feel like you said it so much better. The movie had a lot of pointless scenes that should have at least been explained. I watched it because it was on Top 1 Netflix in my country and i kept waiting for that “something” to happen but i ended up being very dissapointed. I don’t get all the hype about the movie. It’s not “a hard movie to watch” at all. Maybe it’s hard to watch because it doesen’t keep you interested in the action.
Wow! Great analysis of the 🍎🤯
Thanks
Odd framing choices, screenplay sometimes didn't make sense, the litigation at the end, is that the civil-suit or was it when she was being charged by more than 1 party and if so why was the lawyer who I thought was doing just the civil-suit doing with the case? Shia Lebouf wasn't very good. Character development was lacking a bit, over 2 hours of what could have been an emotional film turned out to be quite underwhelming considering the topic at hand.
Where’d you see those wandavision spoilers?!
I enjoyed the film and agree with the analogy of the ending!