Amazing: 10.2 Assassination Rogue Rework

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  • Опубліковано 1 лис 2024

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  • @alexanderklyuev398
    @alexanderklyuev398 Рік тому +43

    dk deserved rework like this

    • @edgyz0mb1e
      @edgyz0mb1e Рік тому +3

      True brother, We'll get the next rework for sure...

    • @MarcelianOnline
      @MarcelianOnline  Рік тому +4

      True, hopefully our video is watched :D

    • @A1Ch3353
      @A1Ch3353 Рік тому +3

      Specially frost dk

    • @daethmer7834
      @daethmer7834 Рік тому

      @Arlothari agree about feral but the rest of the specs are good, on dk all of them are just boring outdated and not fun

    • @rageman2247
      @rageman2247 Рік тому +1

      Fdk maybe but not unholy they feel fun af to play

  • @NicholasLi10
    @NicholasLi10 Рік тому +4

    I just hope they don’t complicate the spec and make it accessible and not too hard to play and to understand.

  • @devonboes2376
    @devonboes2376 Рік тому +12

    As long as Enhance stays the same I'll be happy I'm really enjoying the Storm M+ build

    • @MarcelianOnline
      @MarcelianOnline  Рік тому +2

      Can always alt a bleedy boy :P

    • @zizouwowist1641
      @zizouwowist1641 Рік тому

      good for you brother :) that's the positive vibes wow needs not just complaint

    • @dannycoburn8528
      @dannycoburn8528 Рік тому

      Pretty sure the new tier set is all about primordial wave

    • @YaBoySquints
      @YaBoySquints Рік тому

      It was dead two weeks ago. Luckily they made talent tree adjustments and it’s back! Spam ST baby!

  • @mysteerie8332
    @mysteerie8332 Рік тому +3

    I am soo hyped. Rogue has been my main for 5 years now and assa has always been my favorite spec, sadly I haven't been playing it since end of Legion. I cannot wait for this :3

    • @Yorheim
      @Yorheim Рік тому +1

      Felt as a rogue main since end of WOTLK.
      If they can fix frost dk now, I'll be happy ASF. I'm honestly bored of hunter but never get bored of rogue and frost dk.

    • @mysteerie8332
      @mysteerie8332 11 місяців тому

      @@Yorheim sadly to me hunter is so so boring that i can't even stand leveling it up. I know there's a lot of people who like the class but i just can't. I'd rather just play a paladin for the " simpler" rotation if it's the case.

    • @Yorheim
      @Yorheim 11 місяців тому

      @@mysteerie8332 hunter is definitely easier. But it's corny.
      I've had hunter, rogue, paladin, and dk at max nearly ever xpac. With druid shaman warrior eventually getting there.
      A real alt-aholic with 23characters on emerald dream alone.
      In legion I had 1 of every class to max and geared heroic raids except for monk and priest 🤣

  • @stevown
    @stevown Рік тому +3

    the problem is you still need to tab target like a madman to maintain bleeds on multiple targets. IC still needs help, or better yet, some way of spreading bleeds made baseline. You have to maintain a minimum count of bleeds to keep up your energy gen, so sticking on a single target to splash poison is easier said than done, you'll still take breaks to tab target and maintain bleeds, then lost your primary target and have to re-aquire. It's not really skill to do this and should not be treated as a skill ceiling, it is simply a bad quality of life to execute the spec properly and needs to be fixed. It's easy enough to fix, remove the stealth requirement of IC, or better yet, fix it baseline so that a capstone talent isn't fixing a spec issue that should be baseline; Garrote and Rupture updated to "If applied to a target that already has this bleed, excess duration will apply to a nearby enemy." Then you can stick on the same target and still maintain the appropriate bleed count for energy gen, without the stupid tab targeting, and without making any OP changes to the class (this is not a damage increase, it is a QOL improvement only). Not to mention caustic spatter is re-introducing a problem that has plagued the spec in aoe for a long time; which ability am I supposed to use in AOE? (This question used to be, should I use crimson tempest or fish for poison bombs from envenom?) Now it's "should I use mutilate for the extra setup every 10 seconds or just jump right into the extra combo points/energy efficiency of fan of knives?" and at how many targets, and how long do they need to live for it to make more sense to weave in the mutilates every 10 seconds? There is also the issue of tab targeting, meaning when you maintain your bleeds you'll lose some duration of the caustic spatter debuff and not get full value out of that maintenance mutilate, which will feel bad at best, and at worst, you have trouble reaquiring your caustic spatter target all-together making it a full loss and have to re-apply. It needs to have unlimited duration with a max target limit of 1, or better yet NOT be tied to mutilate and instead tied to white(weapon) damage. Or [even more] better yet, the fix that always should have been and was quite obvious = Poison bomb changed to have a 100% proc rate and simply have the bomb damage scale with combo points rather than proc rate. None of this even touches on the fact that if you don't take caustic spatter or poison bomb, with the recent changes to crimson tempest, there isn't a clear AOE finisher anymore... don't get me wrong, I like the change to crimson tempest, but the spec still has way too many AOE ambiguities, and feels like we just traded one for another, without even fully addressing the biggest issue which is tab target bleed maintenance.

  • @benkalem
    @benkalem Рік тому +4

    It's a good start, but there are still some big issues. Blindside should be Baseline, SnD just needs to be completely removed from the whole Class. Alacrity can also go the way of the Dodo.
    The Exsanguinate options seem interesting. A lot has to do with the Energy Economy. The Passive version is pushing you to builds, where you have the highest possible Energy Pool, and with those situations you'd not really want to dip under 100 Energy for most sustained Damage, unless to deal a Killing Blow. I like the idea of Kingsbane becoming more of a thing. Honestly, Dragon-Tempered Blades, while effective, doesn't really offer any interesting gameplay, as it's just more Passive Damage.
    Changes to Indiscriminate Carnage make it easier to use, for sure, but also severely Nerf it. While it does make Shadow Dance builds an actual thing, you still get less value from it overall. Shadow Dance should be a Sub exclusive thing, it's what makes that Spec feel different from the others, so I don't think this is the way to go anyways... The Current Carnage might work fine, if it was both Baseline, and on a shorter CD. Caustic Spatter might also be a game changer here. At what cost will ST be traded for AE, and the other way around, that's gonna be a key thing to solve.
    This new Version of Carnage feels like they intend for Sin to only ever really have 2-3 Bleed Targets, and the rest will be covered by Arterial Precision, Caustic Spatter, or RNG Poison Bomb. However, that rather highlights just how bad an idea it is to have Shiv as a Damage Dealing Ability. Shiv was originally used to deal with Enraged targets, and now it's suddenly functioning like Fan of Knives? It's totally missing the mark of what the concept and fantasy of the ability is! Shiv needs to be decoupled from Damage and returned to pure Utility, and the old Legion Toxic Blade returned to it's rightful place as a Damage Ability. It's one thing to have Talents modify and enhance Abilities, but to completely change them from one thing to another feels like they are completely missing the point of the thing in the first place.
    Path of Blood, it's problematic. Not taking it effectively locks you out of all the edge Talents on the right side of the Tree, until Intent to Kill / Iron Wire. Similarly, as there just is never gonna be a build that doesn't take Cut to the Chase (since SnD is still handicapping the Class), turning Improved Shiv into a forced Talent. Yet another case, where Shiv being a Damage Ability, instead of Utility, is causing unnecessary issues. More evidence to prove Toxic Blade should come back and Shiv returned to the Utility it was always meant to be.
    Sin doesn't scale as well, as the other Specs, and I don't see these changes really addressing that too much. Of course, they can just increase the coefficients, but I feel like they'll still end up in the same place. Of course, having 300 Energy to play with might make things feel different, but it's really not so much the Max Energy Pool that defines how you play, as it is the Regeneration Rate. This is also another reason why Thistle Tea remains unremarkable.
    Cold Blood is still a waste of a Point. A single Ability Crit isn't worth a Talent Point. Thistle Tea remains unimpressive and archaic, and is taking space from something more impactful and interesting. Poison Bomb being passively tied to Envenom still won't feel great, because you don't really have any control on it. Honestly, it might feel better if it worked similar to Cold Blood (next Envenom triggers Poison Bomb), but on something like a 20-30s CD. That, or it was just an Active Ability of its own on a 20-30s CD. Either one would feel a lot better, than still relying on RNG.
    Sudden Demise is what Zoldyck could never be. It's like a Rogue version of Touch of Death. Of course, these Talents, along with Blindside, are somewhat at conflict with each other, but I'm not sure you'd even want to have all of them in the same build.
    Overall, lots of good ideas here, but I remain skeptical about the implementation of it all. Some obvious things the Community has been talking about for years just don't even seem to be on the radar.

  • @Radymonia
    @Radymonia Рік тому +1

    Assa rogue has been my main since I started playing wow, this rework sounds amazing. Really exited to play it myself. Thanks for the informative vid!

  • @JCardenas606
    @JCardenas606 Рік тому

    i love this, been playing sub and outlaw too damn long, i really love blizz gave assassination love!

  • @johnwayne2103
    @johnwayne2103 Рік тому

    ABOUT TIME! The one thing I have noticed about Assassination was that it was not really viable until I had most of my gear at 447 IL. Before that I was struggling to even make a difference in raids and doing mythic's above level 18 was suspect. All this time I was complaining about Assassination being broken was exactly that.
    How many years and expansions has it taken? Since MOP. Yeah that bad.

  • @richiepipes8960
    @richiepipes8960 Рік тому

    Im glad im not the only asshole feeling overwhelmed with the constant switching targets, keeping track of bleeds, combo points, cd's, finishers, sunder armor, slice and dice....for sub-par dps

  • @Rdwlol
    @Rdwlol Рік тому +4

    I hope assa will be in S-tier ❤ Best spec 4ever for me 😊

    • @izuyaaa
      @izuyaaa Рік тому +1

      yea for me same i love the spec and im so hyped now XD

    • @felipegogarcia
      @felipegogarcia Рік тому

      the only rouge spec i like is sub and assas, im glad i can play with 2 specs again lol

  • @Wolfianzero
    @Wolfianzero Рік тому +6

    Rogue always seemed too difficult to me

    • @MarcelianOnline
      @MarcelianOnline  Рік тому

      Seems that way, but wow in general has been simplified I think

    • @litterbox2010
      @litterbox2010 Рік тому

      Simplified.
      *Looks at their screen full of 40+ keybinds*
      Yeah, alright.@@MarcelianOnline

  • @zeeapz3894
    @zeeapz3894 Рік тому +1

    yooo okay.. now im tied up between maining druid or rogue -.-!!

  • @Sly_404
    @Sly_404 Рік тому +4

    Unfortunately on PTR Assassination still have to give up way too much single target to spec into AOE. This will ensure it will stay an underdog spec for M+.

    • @MarcelianOnline
      @MarcelianOnline  Рік тому +1

      Early stages for now, unlikely things won't get tuned more

  • @sialaronde
    @sialaronde Рік тому

    finally it seams worth to be an assa main again, hope the 4 piece gets some decent change so it feels complete in the end

  • @hunterbell2066
    @hunterbell2066 Рік тому

    Okay this sounds pretty dope

  • @daethmer7834
    @daethmer7834 Рік тому +4

    I heard the button bloat is insane on Assa and Outlaw

    • @Arstik
      @Arstik Рік тому

      its really not tho, there is literally 1 more button than before.

  • @trav_esty
    @trav_esty Рік тому +2

    While I still think reworking the game itself is more needed than reworking all the classes, this does look pretty good. And, as a lifelong assassination rogue, even when combat/outlaw and sub were superior, I can't say I'm not interested to see how it goes.

  • @juiicer
    @juiicer Рік тому

    We're back, baby!

  • @christmasham4312
    @christmasham4312 Рік тому

    I main rogue looking forward to this

  • @13Link
    @13Link Рік тому

    Time to level my rogue :D

  • @Odium16
    @Odium16 Рік тому +2

    so annoyed they try to force shadowdance unto assassination as they did with outlaw with this IC changes..

  • @zackimus
    @zackimus Рік тому +1

    Holding out hope for a good DK rework 🤞🏻

    • @MisterWitchDoctor
      @MisterWitchDoctor Рік тому

      Unholy rework is looking good. very little chance of frost getting anything good since their tierset works pretty well with what we have(outside of the RNG rune issue)

  • @AverageYTer
    @AverageYTer 11 місяців тому

    I love sin. Pooling energy to do more damage is dumb though.

  • @dobrealexvlad
    @dobrealexvlad Рік тому +2

    Next, feral druid!

  • @L0rks
    @L0rks Рік тому

    Amazing!

    • @MarcelianOnline
      @MarcelianOnline  Рік тому +1

      Thanks as always Lorks, stay safe

    • @L0rks
      @L0rks Рік тому

      @@MarcelianOnline you too :)

  • @ImFantin
    @ImFantin Рік тому +1

    I can see some pvp builds being rly fun 😈

  • @alansmith4395
    @alansmith4395 Рік тому

    yeah but this spec would need to just ROCK in order to support the aggravation of keeping up with all those dots on multiple targets rather than just hitting BladeFlurry or black powder and hitting everything

  • @syxqid3818
    @syxqid3818 Рік тому

    Sounds not bad 😊

  • @sarkyKE
    @sarkyKE Рік тому

    Double vanish missing and increase portion on vial

  • @josephpacker3945
    @josephpacker3945 Рік тому

    I heard there is some button bloat now.

  • @DankMemes-xq2xm
    @DankMemes-xq2xm Рік тому

    Debating on Rogue or DH for season 3. DH pro: I already know how to play it, great mobility and great at soloing world content. Cons: kinda shallow, might get boring. Rogue pro: ???. Rogue cons: idk how to play it, seems like a super complex class and that's coming from someone with 5 max level chars at 1800 rating rn.
    Edit: I really like the look of Sudden Demise, especially for soloing world content or old content. Hmm, the plot thickens.

  • @Mikkelzu
    @Mikkelzu Рік тому +1

    new tierset is conceptually fine but definitely nothing to write home about. overall however is that assa will still suffer from button bloat, exsanguinate is still a terrible talent and the spec really needs a different way to define it's playstyle.
    However, all is forgiven because KINGSBANE IS BACK BABYYYY LETS GOOOOOO

    • @MarcelianOnline
      @MarcelianOnline  Рік тому

      Hell yea, with a bit more fine tuning, assa looks pog!

    • @Mikkelzu
      @Mikkelzu Рік тому

      @@MarcelianOnline Gonna be refreshing playing with an actual bleed spec identity instead of a "worse feral" i like

    • @pepelechad536
      @pepelechad536 Рік тому

      What is button bloat?
      Assassination has 5 rotational abilities (Mutilate, Ambush, Garrote, Rupture, Envenom) and 3-4 cool-downs (Shiv, Deathmark, Kingsbane, and either Echoing Reprimand or Shadow Dance). How is this too much? That's just a fun amount. I don't want to play a MOBA-style class, I want to actually enjoy some small degree of complexity in my kit and I'd rather people that want something more simple play one of the many simple specs Blizzard has available.
      More abilities = more decision-making = more nuance = more fun. None of the abilities feel bad, they all have fun, interesting uses and none of them feel wasted.

    • @Mikkelzu
      @Mikkelzu Рік тому +1

      @@pepelechad536 You're saying there's more decision making but there simply isnt. Everything works together is used in conjucture with one another. Shiv isn't really a cooldown you have to use whenever possible but have to time the usage of shiv to have 2 charges for Sepsis (currently) or 2 charges for Kingsbane. Slice and Dice is the worst of buttons to press for any of the specs, but Assassination has the easiest time to upkeep it due to Cut To The Chase, but even then it'll probably be dropped for something higher impact.
      I dont mind having alot of buttons to press but none of them realistically feel good to press by themselves. An easy fix is to give Mut/Amb the same functionality as the mind spike interaction for spriest. That's one bloat gone.
      Not saying I want it to be as simplistic as BM hunter or anything but there are some QOL changes we would like.

    • @pepelechad536
      @pepelechad536 Рік тому

      @@Mikkelzu So you want Assassination - the quintessential DoT management spec - to have automated DoT management? Bruh.
      Everything you described (i.e. having to manage your Shiv usage instead of sending it on cooldown, maintaining Slice and Dice etc.) are fun mechanics that require you to make decisions about when and how to spend your resources. As you even mentioned, Blizzard already has a way for you to automate part of your rotation via CttC if you don't enjoy using Slice and Dice.
      There are already a ton of specs and classes out there that have very simple, very straightforward rotations. Assassination is one of the few with interesting DoT management and a more reserved but careful engagement with resources. Why would you not choose to play one of the simpler classes instead of demanding the complexity/depth be toned down?

  • @gentle_singularity
    @gentle_singularity Рік тому

    Lmao Kingsbane hitting for over 300k and my ilvl on PTR with the 4 set is only 425. The funnel is insane.

  • @paulgradiz4875
    @paulgradiz4875 Рік тому +2

    IC needs to be passive, but increasing the amount of ruptures and garrotes to at least 5 targets, 2 its too low

    • @MarcelianOnline
      @MarcelianOnline  Рік тому

      Still some tab targeting it seems

    • @devonboes2376
      @devonboes2376 Рік тому

      Played Sin back in BFA I miss the uncapped amount of adds you could garrote and rupture

  • @TheGreatTBR
    @TheGreatTBR Рік тому

    Spatter needs to work with stats sudden demise is ass tbh just a few things need to be looked at again

  • @BoomerElite4u
    @BoomerElite4u Рік тому

    lol tfw they dont mention deathmark being dispellable still

    • @MarcelianOnline
      @MarcelianOnline  Рік тому

      In PVP? Isn't that the same with mages spellstealing wings of Paladin?

    • @BoomerElite4u
      @BoomerElite4u Рік тому

      @@MarcelianOnline IDK if that's comparable, simply because you're talking about a single class using a single ability in a nice situation and it still has counter-play. My problem with Deathmark is almost every class in the game, and even some racials have the ability to remove Deathmark. I could be wrong but I can't think of any other class in the game whose entire burst CD can be completely removed with a basic cleanse.

  • @ad55441
    @ad55441 Рік тому

    ASSNATION!!

  • @Deeps__
    @Deeps__ Рік тому

    After all the comments I’ve left here nerd raging for assassination to get attention, I’m now a happy sin rogue 😆

  • @Dan-iy2nr
    @Dan-iy2nr Рік тому

    ive played assassination for the past 5 years and even when people say they cant pop ive been able to get 20+ mythic runs and i do well even though i only do heroic raiding. its the best spec by far for simple class to be able to perform ok everywhere

    • @Fogwell94
      @Fogwell94 Рік тому +1

      same. Hell, i would say that 80% of the pugs i am topping the dps, maybe it's because i had to learn assa seriously during the years i have played it. Now i am playing outlaw but only because i really really enjoy the spec

    • @Dan-iy2nr
      @Dan-iy2nr Рік тому

      play whatever you find fun my friend@@Fogwell94 :) outlaw is also badass

  • @Foundingflounder
    @Foundingflounder Рік тому

    Holy mother of button bloat

  • @adriankovacs4133
    @adriankovacs4133 Рік тому

    I really want to be a big dick bleeder destroyer, i am looking forward to this

  • @analogguy4467
    @analogguy4467 Рік тому

    Assassination is the worst rogue spec in PTR currently , you cant do any single target damage with aoe build and you cant do any aoe damage with single target build

    • @MarcelianOnline
      @MarcelianOnline  Рік тому

      Same issue with BM hunter, some things need to change

    • @iamtoobz
      @iamtoobz Рік тому

      Like retribution paladin

  • @Daneeul97
    @Daneeul97 Рік тому +1

    WDYM the are just few good changes but overall...
    10.2 Assassination Rogue Rework is TRASH, rogue devs ignore feedback.... do a little search please....
    🤡 Whispyr is not good source... he like's anything blizz does to rogue.... 🤡
    Rework doesn't fix any of the problems for M+ playstyle...
    🏄🏄

  • @jimjamaj
    @jimjamaj Рік тому +1

    first!

  • @Wxrldend__
    @Wxrldend__ Рік тому

    rogues ALWAYS get love xD cringe

  • @TheGreatTBR
    @TheGreatTBR Рік тому

    Kinda mid tbh

  • @witcherpie
    @witcherpie Рік тому

    why the fuck would i ever want to play a class where I have to keep mind of my energy bar not going below 100, is this a joke?

  • @duckilythelovely3040
    @duckilythelovely3040 Рік тому

    All that work lol
    Or just hit blade fury and do the same 🩸🤭🤭🤭

  • @spiraloflife
    @spiraloflife 11 місяців тому

    talk talk talk n say nothing way to go