HOW TO RUIN a 4wd truck by LOWERING IT! (but improve the handling, and make better in every way)

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  • @LawrenceTolman
    @LawrenceTolman  3 роки тому +51

    What do you think of the stance, should we go lower?

    • @op_s_lead
      @op_s_lead 3 роки тому +1

      If it was my truck and I won the lotto it would be a lowered pre runner 💯

    • @dalehall2993
      @dalehall2993 3 роки тому +2

      You going too c notch the frame?

    • @oldschool7522
      @oldschool7522 3 роки тому +2

      Low enough i think. Of course i would have left it the way it was. But cool video!

    • @jasonburrows5840
      @jasonburrows5840 3 роки тому +6

      I absolutely loved redtide and 03-05 awd silverado ss is one of my favorite trucks of all time so go just a little bit lower!

    • @dodgejohnson5819
      @dodgejohnson5819 3 роки тому +1

      Curious why not a spring over in the rear..would have been about 5"lower and wouldn't have to mess with shackles until later with front spindles

  • @alex.8oh586
    @alex.8oh586 3 роки тому +27

    ruined? made it even better cuhh

  • @michaelbrown5601
    @michaelbrown5601 3 роки тому +9

    Lowering 4x4 GM trucks has long been your specialty. I wasn’t fooled by the video title!

  • @saywhat664
    @saywhat664 3 роки тому +2

    I have 04 Silverado 4x4 with 3/4 drop with DJM kit ( control arm/shackle). I bought new, modified it within 2 weeks and my neighbor never know it was 4x4. First deep snow day of their surprised look was price less. I never go off-road by the way, but looks and handles much better that couldn’t be happier.

  • @robhansen5194
    @robhansen5194 3 роки тому +3

    Did the same to my NBS Z71, but I didn't have to use the keys, I just backed mine off a ways. Next is a flip with a notch and the 2 inch spindles. Do it!!

  • @Cry3st1
    @Cry3st1 5 місяців тому +1

    i hate people that say this is ruining a truck this makes the truck fun, sporty, clean, better performance, and more potential

  • @Chase.bachler
    @Chase.bachler 3 роки тому +1

    I’m so glad my truck is an all original Texas truck. Second owner from 2012 and working on it is a breeze. Never have to deal with rust issues

    • @LawrenceTolman
      @LawrenceTolman  3 роки тому

      luckily this one is pretty solid, but those shackles gave me a workout

  • @Timmy6216
    @Timmy6216 3 роки тому +13

    Step sides look killer lowered. Now, add mad power, and with some AWD action......awe yiss a street fighter for sure

  • @MrGixxer1300r
    @MrGixxer1300r 3 роки тому +1

    I like what you did with the red truck on power nation. So you don't offend me lowering a four wheel drive.

  • @MartinHernandez-bd3wo
    @MartinHernandez-bd3wo 3 роки тому +1

    I have a 2001 chevy stepside with 22 inch snowflakes, with a 6-4 drop and it is also 4x4. I hear it all the time that I ruined the truck. But to each there own. Love the truck man

  • @nealmyers2735
    @nealmyers2735 2 місяці тому

    YES!!!! I never thought I would own a lowered Chevy truck because I was always going the other way to drive over stuff. After getting a 2004 Silverado with a big block lowered, I'm now a believer you can have a truck and go fast around a corner too.

  • @Bockman64
    @Bockman64 5 місяців тому

    Looks awesome!! Happy you're making this content. I have a 96 4x4 rcsb that will come down some day and thanks to your videos its less of a mystery of how to do it!

  • @gregday9943
    @gregday9943 3 роки тому +2

    Oh man lt I would have had to clean the frame up and painted the frame

    • @LawrenceTolman
      @LawrenceTolman  3 роки тому +1

      I’d like to have the whole thing powder coated at some point

  • @jonallen1985
    @jonallen1985 3 роки тому +3

    I think it looks good, can’t wait to see the finished product, I watched the AWD swap on the 88 Chevrolet K1500 that you lowered on truck tech and I know what you are capable of my friend, keep up the good work LT.

  • @rockymtnredneck4888
    @rockymtnredneck4888 3 роки тому +1

    Livin in the Rockies, your street truck really should be 4WD. You done it right!

  • @jordanturner9173
    @jordanturner9173 3 роки тому

    Just did this same job on mine a coue weeks ago. And the truck came from Idaho... I did it with the bed still on because I knew it would be an endless can of worms trying to remove it. A very violent and nasty job, but man it was worth it!

  • @randywright7680
    @randywright7680 3 роки тому +2

    i actually liked your project Redtide when you did that truck a while back. i would love to build an AWD shop truck/ winter beater like this one! Awesome, can't wait to see more!

    • @LawrenceTolman
      @LawrenceTolman  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks! I wanna get some serious snow this winter to test it out

  • @1slow5point0
    @1slow5point0 3 роки тому +13

    No complaints doing a 2/3 drop on my Ram 4wd. I’ve done the lifted route before, and I hardly ever even use 4wd, so it’s pretty pointless for me. Plenty of other mall crawlers around that can get the attention they want.

  • @jerryrounds8586
    @jerryrounds8586 3 роки тому +2

    As always great fun to watch. Put me down for liking the lowering of the truck. I enjoyed your Power Nation episodes of lowering the red truck.

  • @35057
    @35057 3 роки тому

    I did a set of lift shackles on my 04 Colorado a number of years ago and I had the same issue. What a pita! I wasn’t expecting it to be that big of a pain and the truck was only 5 years old at the time. And yes, the older I get the less i find I actually need a lifted truck. Just can’t justify it since I don’t go off road and don’t have access to trails.

  • @simonthebroken9691
    @simonthebroken9691 3 роки тому +3

    I think it looks better lowered. Everything still functions to tow. Just a little less ground clearance.

  • @dennisthurber719
    @dennisthurber719 3 роки тому

    I know this is old but I have used my ball joint press to remove the bolts when you can get to them. I had a 98 S10 blazer in Wisconsin that I lifted and it worked well.

  • @Shimmy_J
    @Shimmy_J 3 роки тому +1

    I’m gonna wreck my 91 gmc 4x4 like you guys did with red tide. It will have an LS tho. And it’s gonna be a MANUAL!

  • @many-points
    @many-points 3 роки тому +2

    You know what else was lowered? GMC Syclone. PLEASE do an AWD conversion and turbo the 4.8 as a Syclone homage, very fitting for a short bed black truck.

  • @op_s_lead
    @op_s_lead 3 роки тому

    I agree even my 03 2wd Silverado 2500hd rclb sits like a lifted 1500 4x4 pickup and now after a 3” lower kit all around it sits like a 1500 2wd stock and the rear still sits 5” above the tire the front is 3” above the tire.

  • @heymanmotorsports49
    @heymanmotorsports49 3 роки тому

    Looks great
    Screw the haters, build YOUR build brother. Thanks for taking us along for the ride.
    Excellent vidja as always

  • @jm361
    @jm361 3 роки тому

    I pray that one day, that you do a segment/video/tech talk on upgrading OBS-GMT400 Brake upgrade/swap and or using converting GMT800,900 brake components.
    As an OBS owner (1995 c1500 single stepside Show Trucks USA/Mark 3 variation) the brakes just plan suck, some companies like Pro Performance sells a kit that beats up peoples wallets, but there has to alternatives out, and the fact that you know your way around these platforms and your skill set makes all of OBS folks wonder what you would have to say..
    Not to many other companies focused on the GMT400 which is sad, alot them are still on the road to this very day, some modded or still plain ole fashion original!
    Love the content, this truck reminds me of the 1 you lowered on the show and made the custom mount for.
    BTW Congrats on breaking 55k subs, next stop 100k! Stay safe, and as always thanks for sharing your work!

    • @LawrenceTolman
      @LawrenceTolman  3 роки тому

      I actually have all the parts to do a GMT800 brake swap on my K2500 suburban...

  • @corey6393
    @corey6393 3 роки тому +2

    Looks great to me. When you guys did the low red OBS truck, I was motivated to do one for myself. Haven't found the right truck yet, but I keep looking, and it will happen. Not so concerned about AWD, just a nice stance that still allows for winter traction.
    Thanks for sharing this one with us. And hello from North Idaho!

  • @billyray4716
    @billyray4716 3 роки тому

    What I did with my suburban was crank the torsion bars up front. Drop the rear about 2 inches and threw 33s on it. Sits perfectly level and looks perfect

  • @JadXtreme
    @JadXtreme 3 роки тому

    I lowered my old OBS Yukon Denali with drop keys and shackles. Looked killer on newer 17” Denali rims! Also lowered my 4wd Avalanche by turning the keys down and drop coil springs with shock extenders. Looked great on 20” NBS rims! I love lowered 4wds!

  • @charlesschluessler546
    @charlesschluessler546 3 роки тому

    I need one of these for my Minnesota winter commutes.

  • @turboboy-oq6xe
    @turboboy-oq6xe 3 роки тому +1

    Love it. I would go lower cuz that’s what I’m doing to my 2002 and I’m going to put a Denali t case in her.

  • @suprafahrer6453
    @suprafahrer6453 3 роки тому

    Can't please everyone. Truck looks good Lawrence keep up the good work!

  • @klosnoski
    @klosnoski 3 роки тому

    Good time to upgrade the guel pump.
    That spring job brings back nightmares of working on fed ex Grumman chassis in Northern mn. After 2k sets of leaf packs. Yes I kept count. I got it down to 3/4 an hour and the wheels never left the God forsaken thing.
    Good job

    • @LawrenceTolman
      @LawrenceTolman  3 роки тому

      That’s a lot of spring replacements

    • @klosnoski
      @klosnoski 3 роки тому

      @@LawrenceTolman yeah. It was a good 3 yrs of life till,
      Sprinter front springs and trammys.
      I've got tons of shortcuts from fleet work.

  • @frightenedskillet1051
    @frightenedskillet1051 7 місяців тому

    Lift blocks depended on your engine, transmission and tow package. If you got a 2005 with the 4.8, econo rear end, and tow package plus regular cab short bed it won’t come with blocks but if you kept the 5.3 that came with the tow package it would even with the econo rear gears!

  • @1leggeddog
    @1leggeddog 3 роки тому

    I'm with you with the lowering LT.
    Drop it like it's hot!

  • @jefflaney9355
    @jefflaney9355 3 роки тому

    10 years ago I did a 2/3 drop on my 2003 Z71 Tahoe with a pretty warmed up LQ4 and 305/50R20s. Never regretted it. As a matter of fact, every time I am in a stock height Tahoe, I am reminded how much of an improvement in handling I gained. Sure, we lift a lot of them too. But for the majority that never need their height, the only argument left is personal taste.

  • @jasonburrows5840
    @jasonburrows5840 3 роки тому +1

    I've been wanting a chevy project truck for a long time...this just made my decision that much harder for what I want to go with!

  • @bobbyevans7975
    @bobbyevans7975 3 роки тому

    Red tide was a very good-looking setup after you was finished with it

  • @dondaugherty8508
    @dondaugherty8508 2 роки тому

    Thanks for the vid ,bout ta drop my 2000 and this is the best vid I’ve watched ✊🏼

  • @williamlookinggoodoldguy1964
    @williamlookinggoodoldguy1964 3 роки тому

    You got me scratching at it again! my 97' 4 wheel drive extra cab is in great shape .I've had it for 20 years .
    I want to lower it, all due to my dog has a hard time getting in, it she's getting old.I do like that look... people don't understand
    thank you LT

    • @LawrenceTolman
      @LawrenceTolman  3 роки тому

      Go for it! I love the lowered GMT400 trucks

  • @reaperasylum
    @reaperasylum 3 роки тому

    I lowered my 10th gen f150 2" and it looks killer and I plan on fixing the 4x4 soon

  • @bradstanley116
    @bradstanley116 3 роки тому

    Love that you lowered it. Much better!!

  • @nelsonford7746
    @nelsonford7746 3 роки тому

    There is a company called atomic fab to convert the front end to a coil over so you can ditch the torsion bars and that cross member so you can also drop the trans and the t case as one instead of separately

  • @randallreveal1701
    @randallreveal1701 3 роки тому

    I love the new stance and future plans.

  • @rattles3044
    @rattles3044 3 роки тому

    My factory 01' S-10 4×4 sits lower than a factory 2rwd S-10. Bought it new in Alaska and it handled the winter roads very well, other than the dad-blamed digits out there ! Most dirt roads .... No problem !
    Deep snow........ Time for a toddy with a hotty !

  • @allencobbs4047
    @allencobbs4047 3 роки тому

    So much better Can’t wait to see it lower

  • @teaguegearhart9851
    @teaguegearhart9851 3 роки тому +2

    This is def one of my favorite posts. Great to see so many parts coming off and back together. Time for turbo???

  • @artysmotorsports
    @artysmotorsports 3 роки тому

    I just got done lowering my tahoe. You didn't ruin it. Just made it better...

  • @codypatrick5559
    @codypatrick5559 3 роки тому

    This is awesome. I’ve been wanting to do this to my 89 step side every since I seen you guys do this back in the day. Maybe I should UA-cam it !

  • @georgef1176
    @georgef1176 3 роки тому

    I have the Sierra twin of yours. Mines a 03 z71 turbo 5.3 slammed and lowered 4/6 I drag race it. Leave line in 4wd and switch off once I have traction. And I still have A/C. I love our trucks. Although the 03-06 cat eye stepsides look awful.

  • @ryanglass9675
    @ryanglass9675 3 роки тому +1

    Love the factory 20” snowflake wheels. Gonna look good!

  • @Sparkystacoma
    @Sparkystacoma 3 роки тому

    Axle flip kit rear. And torsion key/ spindle hub assembly up front and there was some sort of cradle that'd raise the front axle in the cradle some too. Maybe GMT400 only

  • @stinkyD
    @stinkyD 10 місяців тому

    I’m looking at doing this to the exact same truck. Thanks for the video

  • @SMAC-wv5rw
    @SMAC-wv5rw 3 роки тому

    If anyone thinks you ruined it by lowering it, they can go watch whistlin diesel or something.. Its perfect and I cant wait to see the finished product!!!!!

  • @Richard-wk9le
    @Richard-wk9le 3 роки тому

    Its perfect just as it is, its still a functional 4X4 for snow and rain and towing and looks great.

  • @GoFastGator
    @GoFastGator 3 роки тому +1

    I think there was a missed opportunity here for some prank photos of it in squatted stance. 🤣
    Can’t wait to see what’s next for the lil’ truck!

    • @LawrenceTolman
      @LawrenceTolman  3 роки тому

      I posted a quick pic of it with the back done only, but it wasn’t quite drastic enough

    • @GoFastGator
      @GoFastGator 3 роки тому

      @@LawrenceTolman should have gone to Home Depot for their $50 squat kit. They even install it for ya!
      Aka: bulk sand in a 1/3 yard super sack. 😝

  • @dcs-motorsport
    @dcs-motorsport Рік тому

    @lawrence LT Tolman
    Could you provide links for the U-Bolts you used for removing the blocks?

  • @kentuckykuntreekiddkustoms8590
    @kentuckykuntreekiddkustoms8590 3 роки тому

    Iv been a fan of you L.T for a very long time it feels like. I never knew u had a ext cab obs truck. I commented a while back about the center console stuff. I have a 98 ext cab it's a pretty nice ol truck. I wish 1 day I could build it into a turbo ls and stick shift awd. Very be expectations for a auto 2wd truck. Lol. Keep the awesome content coming it gives me hope. Who knows I might start that after I get my ek sedan done.

  • @tragicnomadic
    @tragicnomadic 3 роки тому

    Macgaughys can fit 16s.they move the Lower ball joint up on the stock control arm and give you that clearance. You need the ball joint spacer though

  • @petersimpson1734
    @petersimpson1734 3 роки тому +1

    I like the direction you are going..... Two Thumbs up :) IMO a ~4/6 drop would be ideal

  • @bdugle1
    @bdugle1 3 роки тому

    I’d call it a subtle lowering job, looks good!

  • @sethreichert5629
    @sethreichert5629 3 роки тому

    You did the right thing I lower all my trucks I’m doing my 2012 Chevy Silverado single cab 4wd long bed

  • @hinkhausr
    @hinkhausr 3 роки тому

    Looks good. And lowered jacked up dont matter to me a cool truck is a cool truck.

  • @dariocorral
    @dariocorral 3 роки тому

    yep, most of us would do the same process but to lift It, but I can tell It looks good

  • @james10739
    @james10739 3 роки тому

    If someone needs some worn out coil springs for a suburban I just took mine off it's back up 2 inches so they lost like 2 inches it was constantly hitting the bump stops one is gone and the other is tore up

  • @bj2294
    @bj2294 3 роки тому

    Looks great. The stance right now is what I would do.

  • @traxxasrock14
    @traxxasrock14 3 роки тому +1

    If you're ever doing another one of these with rusted bolts, throw an impact on the bolt to spin it loose and then pound it out, slid right out when I did mine.👍

    • @zaustin12
      @zaustin12 3 роки тому

      Works great on control arm bolts too!

  • @mrf5347
    @mrf5347 3 роки тому

    Your pickup and use determine direction
    4X4 up or down = primary purpose
    Dropped for highway hailing stability
    Lifted for off road

  • @officerfriendly4991
    @officerfriendly4991 3 роки тому

    Very informative thanks, I'm looking to lower my 2005 denali awd

  • @samarmas5082
    @samarmas5082 3 роки тому

    You could've used the same u bolts ,if you put the block you took on top. It sets pretty firm since it has a hole to guide it. That's how i did mine

  • @jcerna7226
    @jcerna7226 3 роки тому +1

    Love this type of GM truck content. Keep up the great work bud!!

  • @zachowens1412
    @zachowens1412 3 роки тому +1

    I am debating doing this to my 2010 Z71 5.3 colorado. I wanted to swap to H3 front and rear diff and transfer case and make it AWD but i'm still not 100% on it

  • @chitownhp83
    @chitownhp83 3 роки тому

    You made those torsion keys look easy, I had to use like a small Jack hammer to loosen mine on my 02 Tahoe . Lol

  • @ImmarSE
    @ImmarSE 3 роки тому

    Crazy how much this guy can do in his own , I remember it took like 3 or 4 of us to put on a bed on a 60’s Ford 😂

  • @badhabitssierra5409
    @badhabitssierra5409 3 роки тому +1

    Yes 😍 I have a 12 shortwide Sierra 4WD on 4/6 drop an love it

  • @johnt540
    @johnt540 3 роки тому

    i have a 04 4x4 gmc and the bump stop is just bolted into the frame no bracket

  • @717UT
    @717UT Рік тому

    I think lowering a 4x4 pickup is fine. Not necessarily "slammed" but if you are working out of one and DD it, I think lowering is a fantastic quality of life thing. The "cool" lifted trucks that guys use for work are absolutely awful to drag tools out of every single day. They suck to jump into and out of doing normal daily stuff. Lifted trucks are form over function for me. Stock to slightly lowered is great for people who want a nice daily driver/working pickup (baring heavy towing of course). Just found your channel and I love it.

  • @Buck.short.builds
    @Buck.short.builds 3 роки тому

    I can't believe the torque bars came out of the keys that easy. In Minnesota you would of never that that lol

  • @safarikick
    @safarikick 3 роки тому +2

    Need a awd transfer case

  • @Techangler65
    @Techangler65 3 роки тому

    Cool look I am wanting to lower my 2014 4wheel drive Silverado so some good info and the one from your last job.

  • @turbocoupe9212
    @turbocoupe9212 3 роки тому

    I appreciate you making this video, I recently bought a 01 z71 in immaculate condition, thought about selling it and making a profit because I hate the high stance on it, but now watching this video I think I’m gonna keep it , lower it down and get the right wheels put on it, maybe throw a turbo on it on down the road.

  • @robertwebb539
    @robertwebb539 3 роки тому

    Looks like a good amount of people approve the drop. I like it as well! It's gonna be fun with some big power and AWD. Keep making these great videos.

  • @928rcs8
    @928rcs8 3 роки тому

    I love seeing the videos in spanish that powernation puts out of you it is really awkward to hear a translated voice! Love your channel tons of info!

  • @pnwchris2000
    @pnwchris2000 3 роки тому

    I say lift/level the 2500 & 3500s, lower/level the 1500s in the GMT800 platform, just my opinion. I like every body style lowered or lifted in the GMT400 platform tho, they all look great!

  • @78heloman
    @78heloman 3 роки тому

    Full race truck it, cut the bed for sstep notch and give her the boost, 4wd trucks like this are awesome lowered and boosted. Don’t worry about uniqueness just do what it wants.

  • @stickaman
    @stickaman 3 роки тому

    drop looks good but before you drop more put the snowflakes on to see how it looks. I am glad you are doing this as I have a 2005 Silverado Z71 which is an ext cab. its has 5.3 with 4L60e w/ NP 246 T-case. its has Bilstein shocks but no front springs, dont know if that is normal but front end needs updating as all the bushings are shot.

  • @alphagaming7267
    @alphagaming7267 3 роки тому

    I was gonna lower mine but my truck has the 2" spacer with the bump stop on it

  • @JoseTorres-ms2ui
    @JoseTorres-ms2ui 3 роки тому +1

    U need to put on the newer 13 in rotors in the front and yellow stuff brake pads

    • @LawrenceTolman
      @LawrenceTolman  3 роки тому +1

      I love the yellow pads for stopping power, but they make a mess of the wheels with the dust

    • @JoseTorres-ms2ui
      @JoseTorres-ms2ui 3 роки тому

      @@LawrenceTolman true but my wheels are ceramic coated so it’s easy to pressure wash the dust off

  • @PolarisEricson
    @PolarisEricson 3 роки тому

    Oh man. My truck being from Minnesota i just worked back to what actually came off. So i ended up with new leak springs because of all the seized parts

  • @coreyrowe2052
    @coreyrowe2052 3 роки тому

    I like it. No complaints here 👍👍

  • @perrymahnke886
    @perrymahnke886 3 роки тому

    Looks Awesome! Hopefully someday I will be able to add a lowered 4X4 or AWD truck to my fleet or possibly modify my 69 C10 to a low 4X4 or AWD. As always another great video & thank you for sharing.

  • @twiztid1fiddy
    @twiztid1fiddy 3 роки тому

    I want those blocks that came off the back for reasons!! What I gotta do to gettum??

  • @johnkuykendall467
    @johnkuykendall467 3 роки тому +1

    Looks good. I look forward to seeing it lower. Just lowered my 2wd 04 ext cab with hotchkis coils and belltech leafs. Definitely do a flip kit or hangers on the rear of this truck. I ran the belltech drop leafs on my previous standard cab stepside truck and they were WAY to stiff. The 20" snowflakes will look good, just got them for my truck as well. Yep everyone has them, but I still like them.

  • @jessedaman070
    @jessedaman070 3 роки тому

    Those tortion keys came out way too easy lol around here the rust pretty much welds them to the tortion bars

  • @timhickey9687
    @timhickey9687 3 роки тому +1

    Good work mate, those bump stops look like overload rubbers though? I have an '01 2500hd that i'm halfway through lowering with a parallel 3 link and 2" dropped TJM lower control arms. When I saw you punch the torsion bars out of the keys I was losing it. I'm in Quebec, my keys and torsion bars are one and the same thanks to the salt! Hahaha

    • @LawrenceTolman
      @LawrenceTolman  3 роки тому +2

      I had to hit em a few times, but they were pretty easy compared to the shackle bolt

  • @a68k_de
    @a68k_de 3 роки тому

    as you have the bed removed, would also do something about the rust

  • @kevndo
    @kevndo 3 роки тому +2

    Love the channel. Keep up the great content!. Putting tv aside, was there any off camera problems with project “Red Tide” ?

    • @LawrenceTolman
      @LawrenceTolman  3 роки тому +1

      It was a bit too low and it went through a few CV axles if you went over a big bump and compressed the suspension too far

    • @kevndo
      @kevndo 3 роки тому

      @@LawrenceTolman I loved that truck! Did it hook up well? Would you do another one ?

  • @Sneakdisscommentbelow
    @Sneakdisscommentbelow 3 роки тому

    I would have left the front up cause I've noticed on Chevy trucks the steering gets easier if the rears lower and also for the weight transfer, but not my truck. I'm sure you're probably in an HOA community but I would have beat those shackle bolts on the inside with an air hammer dropping the spare and those bolts might have come out without removing the bed. But good work LT.

  • @beausmith3900
    @beausmith3900 3 роки тому +3

    I'd like to see u pull the drive train from an escalade, 6.2 awd and 4l85e... with it lowered... I think it would be a rocket

    • @MrGixxer1300r
      @MrGixxer1300r 3 роки тому

      exactly what I am hoping for as well