Real Fighter Pilot Teaches Spinning for F-5 in DCS
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- Опубліковано 19 лис 2020
- As a former RAF Qualified Flying Instructor and fighter pilot for 20 years, I teach you how to spin the F-5E in DCS.
Spin training, also know in the civilian world as 'Upset Prevention Recovery Training' (UPRT), is a handling skill that gives military pilots confidence in flying their aircraft in dynamic situations.
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Taxy @ 2:00
Take-Off @ 11:20
Spin 1 @ 18:10
Spin 2 @ 23:10
Glide @ 25:17
Recovery @ 28:50
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"People get upset when you drop jets on an orphanage... don't know why, they're just kids." LMAO, that's dark.
Military sense of humour, civies dont understand us 🤣
@@arabianjules Yeah, I was crying it was so funny. Don't know why it cracked me up so hard. Gallows humor to be sure but it hit me just right.
31 years as a firefighter and US Army retired... I've laughed in the face of some pretty dark stuff.
@@arabianjules aint that the truth
The going joke was if you had to Eject, you would point at a nearby school then pull hard away towards an open field and Eject. Tea and medals as opposed to a rap on the knuckles
"I'll try spinning, that's a good trick!"; I'd always had my suspicions that Anakin kid knew his stuff, great to know how he did it.
Yes, absolutely get SRS going. It'll mean your radios work with your mic with other humans, and not just the pre-programmed messages from the comms menu. You can use actual frequencies rather than discord rooms.
Agreed. Iam just learning DCS but SRS adds a lot to the immersion.
Nice to see a professional doing what he does best, I see a lot of similarities with the techniques we teach over here. Basically everything is done the same except recovering with the buffet (wing secondary stalling) since we don't have the control surface authority nor TWR to afford it in the civilian sphere. Regards fom Finland, from an Upset Prevention and Recovery instructor on the Extra 300. Keep it up!
Thank you for the information and lovely comment - I'm a huge fan of Finland and your military also flies the Hawk.
To maximise acceleration without losing to much altitude, in the F5 push to get a load of 0.25 G's. For the closed circuit we would come up to initials with 300kts, make a midrunway turn idle thrust. Speed dropping through 250kts gear down. At the perch fly 195kts +fuel and on final 165kts + fuel. There was a difference of 5kts between the NF5A and the NF5B. If I remember correctly the A had to be flown 5KTS faster.
Thank you, Frank - I'd read that it was 165 in the finals turn throughout which was obviously wrong - so 165+ on rollout is what I'd expect.
Thank you for the knowledge, it's much appreciated.
Just seen your footage tonight absolutely superb ,ill be taking some instruction in shadowlands ,really looking forward to it .
BTW talking about spinning I flew in the mk5 jet provost to various airfields and navy bases in the UK, I was the engineer looking after the jp from Scampton no 1 Sqn ,the sp was to take up pilots from all sqds and practice getting out of a spin the exercise was called a spin ex ,I volunteered for every sortie although I didn't know anything about flying as a 20 year old in 83 , fantastic memories .......
Cheers
Dave from Scotland
Nice video. Haven't come across your channel before but liked what I saw and heard. I started DCS last year and had about 5 months use before some health problems reared their ugly mugs. Am just starting again and I had forgotten how in-depth it is. You make it look simple, experience and knowledge and skill really do make a difference don't they? I thought I would get in the cockpit and simply "know" what to do because I saw "Aces High" and "Top Gun", lol.
Hey Tim ever heard of the Hawk post spin incident where after the spin recovery they brought up the throttle and nothing happened? Thinking the engine was in some kind of stall they did a stopcock and relight to no avail. Deadsticked it into Llanbedr (tea & medals!). Throttle linkage had broken or rather the spin had made a linkage work loose. Always be prepared for the unexpected! ABCD and R (runway in gliding range, ha). Happened to a mate of mine on the same course.
As always, I enjoyed your training video!
So I thought you were insane when I first watched your videos in the F-5E. I haven't flown it much since the Hornet, and probably none since the Tomcat released. Back then it just wouldn't depart. Like nothing could make it depart at all. It was like a fly by wire jet. I took it out the other day and decided to give spinning a go. And ho yeah it went. Spins, accelerated spins. Proper recovery needed, and it you get really stupid the wings come off. So yeah I think I like it again.
Im gonna have to sign up for this. It will def bring us who never took a shot at flightschool (😞) a step closer to the that intense checklisting and flying that we all love. Im just gonna refresh my F5 skills. See you soon.
get on tim love it ..miss seeing the gr4 Tornado down low level in lfa17 ..Ho Chi Minh trail.. thats what was said on the scanner lol ..all the best kev ..
Davies! Your command and control of this jet makes my head spin! I am spinning watching your mastery of brakes and reheat!
Believe me, this is a difficult jet to fly, LOL!!!
This was freaking awesome!!
Love it Tim.
Excellent viewing sir. Thanks for the lesson. It’s encouraging to see that the pro’s are not perfect every time flying DCS. Thanks for sharing
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Great video!
awesome video! hey btw, if you're turning a knob, you can hold down left (sometimes right) mouse button and drag up or down, for fast rotation.
AHA! Many thanks!
Excellent!
Great video....I had to laugh when you commented about not having a wing...remember the 104... not that didn't have a wing...but went really fast :-) ... well there were three rules about getting into a spin in that 1) never get it into a spin 2) damn it...never really ever get it into a spin and 3) if you were dumb enough to spin it...punch out time.
Great background tune goin on there, Tim
I fly competition aeros in the RV-8 and spin recovery is always to the vertical to draw a vertical line on an intended heading before recovery that is pulled with the speed requirement for the next figure in mind. - Not showing off, honest, just saying for the benefit of other viewers there are a lot of options and refinements available once one is beyond getting the thing out of the spin reliably. It's a fascinating element of handling.
This is fantastic
lmao, oh the banter, great video thanks.
Hey Tim, if you increase your Anisotropic filtering in graphical settings it should get rid of those shimmering on things like taxiway markings and fences.
You should teach them how to turn the stick to the left and right correctly since nobody realizes their hand moved in an arc
can you actually teach that? I thought it was all practice
this is so much fun
Definitely look at using SRS for the server, it is far more realistic and different bands/frequencies can be used for wingmen pairs etc; you won't have to listen to anyone slurping the tea either. You could also control/view your individual students using a server GCI/commander slot if you have Combined Arms, and provide human ATC. On our server we meet on Discord to discuss tactics but flying is strictly SRS, which works well.
Thank you, John, I will take a look.
I'm spinning around, move out of my way. I know you're feeling me 'cause you like it like this.
I will definitely be taking you up on some lessons after Xmas once I get my Hotas. Never used DCS before and the closest I've come to flying aircraft is remote control planes and copters - seems like a lot of fun the appeal of mastering complex tasks appeals to me! I'll be using a VR PC with OCulus Quest 2.
Out of interest, do you ever play any flight games rather than simulators for fun (like Star Citizen or the Starwars Squadrons?)
I dig this
Hey Tim, awesome video! You should be able to left click and drag on the course and heading knobs to make them rotate faster, instead of using your mouse wheel. Hopefully this will save you some time and aggravation!
Might have missed that, thanks
this guy is as hard as nails o7
Smashed like right away again. If only DCS had Tornado... I'd love to see long range low level bombing Tornado skills in a video! But without the unique aircraft itself it's a bit mehh...
In the absence of the Tornado the Viggen kind of does the same role and thing, fast low level pre-planned attacks. I recommend it.
If I landed a f-5 like that in the Swiss Air Force, I’d be out of job :)
Great video though ! Very very well done !
One of the guys at the end crashes his, lol - not the easiest thing to fly in the game! I believe the Swiss used to fly then out of Sion amongst other places, deep in Mountainous valleys must have made instrument approaches interesting.
@@FastJetPerformance yes. SIon isn’t a military active base anymore, but they still land there occasionally. Meiringen is another challenging one. Payerne is much easier. When I was younger they would also land in Buochs (stans) where Pilatus is. At the time, they were also testing the pc-21 prototypes, and one Brit test pilot was the main pilot for this.
@@dunbar555 you can fly into Sion in the Hawk on X-Plane, must have been a beautiful place to have been based.
@@FastJetPerformance yeah, sion was a nice airbase/ now it’s just an airport. But it is still nice to fly to or from there. People from the city got tired of hearing military jets.. people are crazy like that.
Woah woah woah Tim, we don't call them pat-ron saints, we call them pay-tron saints.
Hi,
Why is the audio from the tower and from other pilots so horrible?
With all the technological advancements, one would think something so basic would have been corrected a long time ago.
Audio is actually quite poor in mil aviation but you just get used to it.
Tim when are you going to join Aircrew Interview on his podcast, made for you!
I kind have interviewed myself a lot over the last 7 years to be honest 🤣👍
Glad you've found a way to continue training RAF pilots via DCS. I'm sure it will be good business!
Sometimes a struggle, lol!
@@FastJetPerformance I can believe it 🙂. The wording on your first video definitely seemed aimed at real pilots. Pity as I would have been a definite sign-up for flying, BFM, ACM and ordnance delivery from a professional. Zero interest in 'cold and dark' as I'm never going to fly the real thing. Ex PPL GA pilot.
@@ColinDyckes I'm training sim and real pilots but the majority of them have never flown an aircraft before - this is for sim not real pilots, Colin :)
@@FastJetPerformance OK. My Reverb G2 pre-order is meant to arrive on December 2nd, and I have the Hornet already. Probably a day or two to get the VR working so I'll sign up for full access if a place available. Would you be willing to share your control files for the Hornet as I have the exact setup as you including TPR rudders and TrackIR but hoping to go VR exclusively? Would mean control mapping is common.
if i could afford - i would go for the training ..... EVEN THOUGH i would just get probably only a third of what you are saying .... not because of the "terms" and "reasons why one does it like that"... mainly because of the WPM (WordsPerMinute) output of yours. :D
really great stuff though !
I also really appreciate the reason of a "shadowland" ... where people can do embarassing stuff without being seen :D
as to myself - i learned all the stuff i know from flying online ... i basically flew 99% of my hours online BUT i really do remember what it was like "back then" ... when two blind guys teach each other how to see ... after knowing a little on the warthog i myself thaught others, and then i started to know more about it and actually found out that "the more i learn - the more i realise that i know nothing" and then i stopped teaching.
you should have been there back in 2009 ... when it all kicked off with DCS BlackShark.
Maybe we see each other online one time. it would be a blast - at least for me ;)
Lovely comment, yes, I hope to fly with you in the DCS skies in the future.
@@FastJetPerformance be careful what u wish for :D ... things may break and fireballs may occure ... but if we fly together, i assure you that i know the most basic rules of a wingman - "dont loose sight, only say: TWO, or Lead youre on fire" ;)
@@schnarreschnarrson True! ;)
managed to get the f5 into an inverted spin over the mountains in caucasus, would not recommend, recovered only 500ft from the ground
Skills are skills, good work!
@@FastJetPerformance More luck then skill i'd say but thanks
@@FastJetPerformance Uploaded the video, tried it again and got a double inverted spin recovery, you should try to spin the F14 when you get the chance, it's a real pig to recover and i should ejecting is better
@@ThatGuysProject tell goose that
Inverted or upright, spin recovery is spin recovery.
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BUY IT NOW! ...and then come fly with the Shadowlands team :)
@@FastJetPerformance I just did :) Very nice module! I'll get the training missions done then I might just join you on Shadowlands.
Question for you Tim, why do most jets spin better to the left? I could understand why there'd be asymetric spin performance left vs right in a prop, given the effect of prop wash and P-factor, but a jet doesn't have those to cause that?
I believe it's to do with individual aircraft and deformity due to stresses from operational flying but also engine rotation of the heaviest parts.
@@FastJetPerformance Oh, actually, yes, I suppose the engine may not be a prop, but it does still consist of some big, heavy spinning things, so I guess it's still going to have some gyro effect.
As for deformity due to operational stresses, is that a fighter pilot way of saying "We span it left too much and bent it, but know we have an excuse to keep spinning it left"? Cos it sounds like it is haha.
@@Streaky100001 Might be ;)
@@FastJetPerformance Hahaha, guess you gotta explain it to the techs somehow!
Question for ya. Could you show me how to set up a BFM 4k, 6k, and a 9k? I've found the USN documentation on it but I can't seem to understand the setup. Maybe even something as simple as a perch setup. I understand you cant teach tactics but maybe just the tacform setup for the maneuvers?
Well do that, no worries.
@@FastJetPerformance fantastic I look forward to it! I’d love to fly with you and connect as well if you are interested there’s a lot I am trying to learn as well as just having fun. (I’m a USAF Pilot select)
AWESOME!!! what map are you sing?
Caucases at the moment because it's free and keeps the cost down as you have to buy F-18 and F-5 but we go to VEGAS in January 💯👍
In your opinion, if you could rate from 1 to 10. How close to the real thing is the flight model in DCS?
Those Harrier pilots do like their milk.
Truth.
@@TFT-bp8zk my dad provides the Milk for Harrier pilots 😉
Check wheels down, Runway Nine, cleared to land, report landing roll complete! Because, I'm drinking coffee looking at my phone, instead of you...😜
is there a discord link? i tried from patreon, but it didn't worked
The link is in Patreon, message me on Patreon and I'll send it to you.
Is there a discord for the ShadowLands?
Yes, full Discord with syllabus, flying programme only accesible through the Patreon link in the description.
Sir! What kind of aircraft or modules in DCS do we need to join your server? Best Regards!!!
You can fly with any but for Advanced, I advise F-18 and F-5 - all teaching is done on these two at the moment.
Hello Tim, I saw an optician recently, my eyesight isn't perfect but it's not the worst neither. I looked at some publications and I should be good enough. The question is, is it fine to wear glasses and still end up flying in the RAF (Hopefully jets). The doc said I could wear glasses but don't really need to, but they would help a bit.
At the moment the RAF will ask you to have corrective surgery but it MUST be the correct type, the RAF will help you with this.
@@FastJetPerformance Good to hear. My left eye was if I recall -0.5 and 6/7.5 and right was 6/5, no colour defects, which is a big one I heard. Not bad, but not that good either. Im applying next year so I hope it doesn't get worse.
Does it mean that my entry will be pushed back until I'm 22 then? I was hoping to apply some time before I finish my A-Levels.
@@jakubwojasiewicz7588 probably, yes - speak to the RAF - they have the up to date knowledge.
@@FastJetPerformance When I spoke to them about it before they didn't mention it. I'll talk to them again and irritate them some more I guess.
Is this a combat maneuver or are you recreating an emergency situation and showing how to recover from it?
Emergency situation and how to recover.
😲 That little cough wasn't the Rona, was it???
How do you have a hawk t1 in dcs?! I thought they discontinued those in dcs.
X-Plane, Hawk is not in DCS anymore.
Ah ok thanks!
What is the shadowlands server link
It's a private training server only accessible through Patreon Basic for free fly or Advanced for teaching.
www.patreon.com/timdavies
Cirrus sr22. F-5.....same thing.
😲 That was a Navy landing, Davies...🤨
True, not the easiest jet to fly in DCS.
i imagine it is not easy to fly smooth here if you cant feel the g
In real life Spinning a T-38 / F-5 was not a good idea...was actually a prohibited Manoeuvre in the 38. The reason for not being able to Deadstick a T-38 / F-5 is, that windmilling RPM are not sufficient to generated enough Power for the Hydraulics for Control at Landing Airspeed...
Yes, we do spin the F-5 in Shadowlands (against the manual's advice) to demo spinning but for 2 turns max else it becomes unrecoverable. And the PFL at idle/shutdown does work in DCS but the speeds are pretty high - the manual agrees with you and says to not do this, obvs!
Gee, dude. Slow it down a wee bit.
I wonder what the ping rate is from Hawaii to Britain...🤔
I'm getting a server based in the US very soon for this reason, we have guys in NZ and Aus and I want to reduce the ping for them although its fine at the moment.
how is he going to disrespect 617 squadron
SFO... except without the simulation...🤔
Anyone ever tell you that you talk _very_ fast?
No, not many have been told that they listen too slowly 💯👍
I'm so confused. Wait he instructed in real life? Or in his mum's basement on DCS? I'm lost
Ask your mother.
@@FastJetPerformance Senior basement instructor 🤣🤙
good lesson but man you talk extremely quick
You speak too fast ;)
You know you listen too slowly, Gabriel 😉