It might be structured like the UK tv series Skins where each member of the gang got at least one episode for themselves while the others played supporting members in those episodes while simultaneously pushing the main narrative for the whole group along in each episode
So… I was thinking about this way too much and this is my take: 1. This should be the band’s bio pic, not exactly of its members. So, we do not need to see them from their infancy; Ringo’s sickly childhood, Paul’s mother dying, etc. All those things can be referenced but we should focus on boys in relation to the band. This would help limit the involvement of secondary characters - easier to keep things tasteful and simple. 2. If they go with each film showing a different ‘era’ but with focus on one band member’s POV (as opposed to a personal story/bio) then I would split it as such (with reasons): - Dreaming the Dream - John - he must go first as it simply started with John. And since we are focusing on The Beatles as a band, I would start with him meeting Paul. A lot of the early stuff are best shown through their relationship to John - Stu, Hamburg, the Exis, Paul quitting, John observing Paul’s baby boss mode, agreeing to sign up with Brian, crisis with Cynthia just as they were making it big. I would end with The Ed Sullivan show or them receiving news about making number 1 in the USA. - Living the Dream - the hight of Beatlemania - I would give this POV to George. He was the one who enjoyed the mad fame the least, a lot of people they met ended up most connected to George (like Bob Dylan or Eric Clapton); George was also the one to start trying drugs with John. This was probably the time when his alienation from ‘JohnandPaul’ grew. So, it would be interesting to view this form his perspective? He, along with John, was the main instigator behind quitting touring and I would end this part with that decision (Candlestick Park or newspaper article). - What is the Dream?/ Dream state of mind - Ringo - although the bands studio careers began on the good note with rather enjoyable recording of Revolver, they started to flounder a bit later on. Their psychedelic era produced Sergeant Pepper which saw Ringo often sidelined. He also got on the least with the Indian spirituality, music and the trip to India. This is also the time when their personal relationships began to really change. Lack of forced proximity and them living apart and increasingly different lives started to turn them into colleagues. John practically lived at Cavendish during recording of Pepper, but otherwise tensions began to rise across the board. George hated every minute of it, Paul and John’s competitiveness was losing its good-natured feel. Ringo feels like just being along for a ride, so could be an interesting POV for this wobbly train speeding towards a ravine. I would end with Ringo living during the White Album sessions; or after he agreed to come back, but the feeling in the air is not the same anymore. - The Dream is over/ The Dream is dead - Paul - he was the one who wanted the band to keep going and took its disintegration the hardest (and was right about Klein). If you want to hit the feels, Paul’s eyes are the ones to view the end through. I would breeze through the Get Back sessions for obvious reasons, but then take it through the Abbey Road, and his home life coming together, John quitting the band, last sessions in January 1970 and then the “announcement” of the band’s breakup. They can even cover him throwing Ringo out of his house and them deciding to sue the others. If they want to end at a sad note, they can end with all 4 of them shutting doors at their respective houses. Or time jump to them signing official ‘divorce papers’ shortly before John and Paul meet again in LA (there’s a hopeful ending if you want one). Or you can even do a few times jumps and end with John’s death, which, arguably, was the final end of the band.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Very interesting to hear other people's vision for this story. My guess is that every Beatles fan will have a different perspective on this, but to me your treatment makes lots of sense. One thing I've wondered is how far into the Beatles pre and post Beatles career the story will go. I actually think the films won't go past the breakup, and might not even show it. I also think there will be very little if anything about the childhoods or younger years. The more I think about it, the more I feel like the writers are going to opt for very short, self-contained "episodes" within the Beatles careers, and only tangentially touch on their past, or hint at their future. I also have a gut feeling that these will NOT be released theatrically, or maybe only the first or last one will be. I just have a sneaking suspicion that the studio will not take the risk of doing 4 theatrical releases in one year. Guess we'll find out haha. Thanks for watching and sharing your ideas. Maybe Sam Mendez will see this video and borrow some of your ideas. ;)
@theartofstorytelling1 If they want to narrow down the story to bite-sized chunks, then part 1 would be from them signing up with Brian and the period until 'making it' in America. Part 2 about their last tour ending with a decision to stop and focus on studio work. Part 3 would skip the making of Pepper and pick up from Brian's death, their trip to India, and the White Album sessions, which had them working more apart than ever and cracks became more evident when Ringo was the first one to quit. I am not sure what the focus of Part 4 would be as we can not just recreate 'Get Back'. But after that the demise is swift. They made good work on Abbey Road, but after that, it was all downhill. between John's accident and quitting, we only have the January sessions and the release of Let it Be. I really don't know how they can end The Beatles bio pic without showing the breakup.
They would be better off doing a mini series on Disney+. There's so much to cover to the story of the Beatles that a 2 1/2 hr or 3 hr film wouldn't do them any justice. I probably see the John movie and watch the others on a streaming platform. This could go very well or very, very bad. I guess we'll have to wait and see. It's due for a 2027 release. For all we know, the whole project could end up being scrap.
I definitely think that the release strategy will be re-thought. Somehow I just don't see people buying four movie tickets in one year. Wouldn't surprise me if this ends on primarily streaming. Will be interesting to see. Thanks for watching!
How is it that every new video you release is on a topic that I'm very familiar with and interested in, but you always bring something new that I either didn't know previously or hadn't considered?
Haha, I'm glad you're getting value out of the channel! We're birds of a feather I suppose. To answer your question, I actually learn a lot about each subject through the process of scriptwriting. There's something about sitting down with a blank page that kind of forces you to think through a subject in a different way. I'll bet if you had your own channel, you'd probably discover things about your own interests that you never knew were there. There's also something about the medium of video that forces you to get creative about a subject. Even just the fact that you're putting images to words makes you articulate your ideas in a way that you normally wouldn't. I kind of enjoy these "speculation videos" for that reason - it's as much a process of discovery for me as it is for the viewer.
@@theartofstorytelling1For the release of Pepper, I would have John clean-shaven during the promo party as to be consistent with Paul in May 1967. Plus, it’s just a minor issue
Nicely done. Most people seem to be assuming four films with four Beatle POVs released sequentially over the year, in which case one question that bugs me is "Who gets to go first?" (Anyone placing large bets on it being Ringo? I doubt it) The first film that everybody sees will inevitably control the issues and be seen as the definitive story, of which the remaining three become secondary 'versions' - especially for those who never stick the course until the end of film #4! Not sure that any running order can be equitable, and if you spread them out over months (say) the first one is the big pilot episode, and unless it's a box-office blockbuster to reassure investors there may never even *be* another three films after that. On the other hand, a simultaneous worldwide splurge of four major theatrical releases seems impractical, huge money, huge risk on one throw of the dice... The whole thing is a potential nightmare, but I surely wish them well!
On paper making 4 films makes sense considering how different they all turned out to be as people. Each of them would recount the same facts in another way. Which also brings an issue of Paul and Ringo having much longer to work things over and their current recollection would be coloured differently than historical records from George and especially John. John changed his story a 1000 times throughout the 70s and frankly never got the chance to look back with the same as his longer living friends. How do they reconcile such differences in available material? As for the ending, it doesn't have to be happy or hopeful. They were not happy with each other in 1970 (although John quit in Septemer 1969, so shouldn't that count as the end?). They can very well start with showing them coming together and end with them coming apart;Paul throwing Ringo out of his house, or the 3 of them throwing rocks through Paul's windows, etc. If they structure it right, they can make juxtaposition scenes (like Paul is chosing to room with Ringo to better integrate him into the group and some years later pushes him out of his house; or John and Paul gradually being positioned further and further apart more often and going from John having a battle of wills with Jim over Paul to John throwing a rock through Cavendish and then being shown lookng back separated by a gate a broken window, now seeking to brake the ties). The Graduate has that kind of unsettling ending, when they run away and then sit at the back of a bus unsure what's next. Also, how do you treat people like Jane Asher, who was there for most if the story but never spoke much about her train wreck of a relationship with Paul (and vice a versa). Do you just mention her by name and show a redhead from a distance?
I was hoping you would include some points from Across the Universe. Although not a biopic, it was a musical that dove into the themes and culture of the The Beatles in a pretty profound way.
This man is the perfect physical manifestation of not only your subconscious reality but a wonderful example of a human who has great balance of masculine and feminine! Atleast that's how I feel! These videos are so great!
That was a great video. I think you need to start off with John Lennon first and after that Ringo or George or George and Ringo whatever order. I would end it with Paul because in the end, Paul was pretty much calling all the shots which kind of pissed the other three off and it ends with them on the rooftop.
Actually never considered these as being "serialized", i.e. one being "Part One" and the last one being "Part Four". Always pictured them as four unique stories from four unique perspectives, maybe with a little bit of crossover. But we'll see. Anything is possible.
Phew, this film series is going to be a tough sell for me. Regarding the realism, most biopics do suffer tremendously under the "incredible weight" of simply re-creating these iconic people and events. Even when it comes off uncannily good, a part of me still feels like it's just kind of, I dunno, fan-service-y? I don't know what is being gained or added to the culture in general (beyond the awe of the technical wizardry and acting prowess). The only (sort of) biopic that I look back as having any lasting impact on me was the Bob Dylan film, *I'm Not There*.
Yeah, that's the tough part for me too. Who will play the Beatles? I guess we'll find out fairly soon. But no matter how good they are, as a viewer I will never REALLY accept that I'm looking at the Beatles, and that will unfortunately make the whole thing feel weird and uncanny. As I argue in the video, I think this is okay with other stars, but for some reason I'm just struggling to see how this will work with The Beatles.
That was a great video. I think you need to start off with John Lennon first and after that Ringo or George or George and Ringo whatever order. I would end it with Paul because in the end, Paul was pretty much calling all the shots which kind of pissed the other three off and it ends with them on the rooftop, j
Thanks for saying so! I hadn't considered doing the Patreon thing. I just assumed that is for bigger channels. Maybe next year it's something I could look at ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It might be structured like the UK tv series Skins where each member of the gang got at least one episode for themselves while the others played supporting members in those episodes while simultaneously pushing the main narrative for the whole group along in each episode
I went from "Does Earth Exist in Star Wars" to this. I'm in love!
So… I was thinking about this way too much and this is my take:
1. This should be the band’s bio pic, not exactly of its members. So, we do not need to see them from their infancy; Ringo’s sickly childhood, Paul’s mother dying, etc. All those things can be referenced but we should focus on boys in relation to the band. This would help limit the involvement of secondary characters - easier to keep things tasteful and simple.
2. If they go with each film showing a different ‘era’ but with focus on one band member’s POV (as opposed to a personal story/bio) then I would split it as such (with reasons):
- Dreaming the Dream - John - he must go first as it simply started with John. And since we are focusing on The Beatles as a band, I would start with him meeting Paul. A lot of the early stuff are best shown through their relationship to John - Stu, Hamburg, the Exis, Paul quitting, John observing Paul’s baby boss mode, agreeing to sign up with Brian, crisis with Cynthia just as they were making it big. I would end with The Ed Sullivan show or them receiving news about making number 1 in the USA.
- Living the Dream - the hight of Beatlemania - I would give this POV to George. He was the one who enjoyed the mad fame the least, a lot of people they met ended up most connected to George (like Bob Dylan or Eric Clapton); George was also the one to start trying drugs with John. This was probably the time when his alienation from ‘JohnandPaul’ grew. So, it would be interesting to view this form his perspective? He, along with John, was the main instigator behind quitting touring and I would end this part with that decision (Candlestick Park or newspaper article).
- What is the Dream?/ Dream state of mind - Ringo - although the bands studio careers began on the good note with rather enjoyable recording of Revolver, they started to flounder a bit later on. Their psychedelic era produced Sergeant Pepper which saw Ringo often sidelined. He also got on the least with the Indian spirituality, music and the trip to India. This is also the time when their personal relationships began to really change. Lack of forced proximity and them living apart and increasingly different lives started to turn them into colleagues. John practically lived at Cavendish during recording of Pepper, but otherwise tensions began to rise across the board. George hated every minute of it, Paul and John’s competitiveness was losing its good-natured feel. Ringo feels like just being along for a ride, so could be an interesting POV for this wobbly train speeding towards a ravine. I would end with Ringo living during the White Album sessions; or after he agreed to come back, but the feeling in the air is not the same anymore.
- The Dream is over/ The Dream is dead - Paul - he was the one who wanted the band to keep going and took its disintegration the hardest (and was right about Klein). If you want to hit the feels, Paul’s eyes are the ones to view the end through. I would breeze through the Get Back sessions for obvious reasons, but then take it through the Abbey Road, and his home life coming together, John quitting the band, last sessions in January 1970 and then the “announcement” of the band’s breakup. They can even cover him throwing Ringo out of his house and them deciding to sue the others. If they want to end at a sad note, they can end with all 4 of them shutting doors at their respective houses. Or time jump to them signing official ‘divorce papers’ shortly before John and Paul meet again in LA (there’s a hopeful ending if you want one). Or you can even do a few times jumps and end with John’s death, which, arguably, was the final end of the band.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Very interesting to hear other people's vision for this story. My guess is that every Beatles fan will have a different perspective on this, but to me your treatment makes lots of sense. One thing I've wondered is how far into the Beatles pre and post Beatles career the story will go. I actually think the films won't go past the breakup, and might not even show it. I also think there will be very little if anything about the childhoods or younger years. The more I think about it, the more I feel like the writers are going to opt for very short, self-contained "episodes" within the Beatles careers, and only tangentially touch on their past, or hint at their future. I also have a gut feeling that these will NOT be released theatrically, or maybe only the first or last one will be. I just have a sneaking suspicion that the studio will not take the risk of doing 4 theatrical releases in one year. Guess we'll find out haha. Thanks for watching and sharing your ideas. Maybe Sam Mendez will see this video and borrow some of your ideas. ;)
@theartofstorytelling1 If they want to narrow down the story to bite-sized chunks, then part 1 would be from them signing up with Brian and the period until 'making it' in America. Part 2 about their last tour ending with a decision to stop and focus on studio work. Part 3 would skip the making of Pepper and pick up from Brian's death, their trip to India, and the White Album sessions, which had them working more apart than ever and cracks became more evident when Ringo was the first one to quit. I am not sure what the focus of Part 4 would be as we can not just recreate 'Get Back'. But after that the demise is swift. They made good work on Abbey Road, but after that, it was all downhill. between John's accident and quitting, we only have the January sessions and the release of Let it Be. I really don't know how they can end The Beatles bio pic without showing the breakup.
They would be better off doing a mini series on Disney+. There's so much to cover to the story of the Beatles that a 2 1/2 hr or 3 hr film wouldn't do them any justice. I probably see the John movie and watch the others on a streaming platform. This could go very well or very, very bad. I guess we'll have to wait and see. It's due for a 2027 release. For all we know, the whole project could end up being scrap.
I definitely think that the release strategy will be re-thought. Somehow I just don't see people buying four movie tickets in one year. Wouldn't surprise me if this ends on primarily streaming. Will be interesting to see. Thanks for watching!
Incredible video! Love your channel. Man I hope they get these movies right...
How is it that every new video you release is on a topic that I'm very familiar with and interested in, but you always bring something new that I either didn't know previously or hadn't considered?
Haha, I'm glad you're getting value out of the channel! We're birds of a feather I suppose. To answer your question, I actually learn a lot about each subject through the process of scriptwriting. There's something about sitting down with a blank page that kind of forces you to think through a subject in a different way. I'll bet if you had your own channel, you'd probably discover things about your own interests that you never knew were there. There's also something about the medium of video that forces you to get creative about a subject. Even just the fact that you're putting images to words makes you articulate your ideas in a way that you normally wouldn't. I kind of enjoy these "speculation videos" for that reason - it's as much a process of discovery for me as it is for the viewer.
@@theartofstorytelling1For the release of Pepper, I would have John clean-shaven during the promo party as to be consistent with Paul in May 1967. Plus, it’s just a minor issue
Nicely done. Most people seem to be assuming four films with four Beatle POVs released sequentially over the year, in which case one question that bugs me is "Who gets to go first?" (Anyone placing large bets on it being Ringo? I doubt it) The first film that everybody sees will inevitably control the issues and be seen as the definitive story, of which the remaining three become secondary 'versions' - especially for those who never stick the course until the end of film #4! Not sure that any running order can be equitable, and if you spread them out over months (say) the first one is the big pilot episode, and unless it's a box-office blockbuster to reassure investors there may never even *be* another three films after that. On the other hand, a simultaneous worldwide splurge of four major theatrical releases seems impractical, huge money, huge risk on one throw of the dice... The whole thing is a potential nightmare, but I surely wish them well!
On paper making 4 films makes sense considering how different they all turned out to be as people. Each of them would recount the same facts in another way. Which also brings an issue of Paul and Ringo having much longer to work things over and their current recollection would be coloured differently than historical records from George and especially John. John changed his story a 1000 times throughout the 70s and frankly never got the chance to look back with the same as his longer living friends. How do they reconcile such differences in available material? As for the ending, it doesn't have to be happy or hopeful. They were not happy with each other in 1970 (although John quit in Septemer 1969, so shouldn't that count as the end?). They can very well start with showing them coming together and end with them coming apart;Paul throwing Ringo out of his house, or the 3 of them throwing rocks through Paul's windows, etc. If they structure it right, they can make juxtaposition scenes (like Paul is chosing to room with Ringo to better integrate him into the group and some years later pushes him out of his house; or John and Paul gradually being positioned further and further apart more often and going from John having a battle of wills with Jim over Paul to John throwing a rock through Cavendish and then being shown lookng back separated by a gate a broken window, now seeking to brake the ties). The Graduate has that kind of unsettling ending, when they run away and then sit at the back of a bus unsure what's next. Also, how do you treat people like Jane Asher, who was there for most if the story but never spoke much about her train wreck of a relationship with Paul (and vice a versa). Do you just mention her by name and show a redhead from a distance?
I was hoping you would include some points from Across the Universe. Although not a biopic, it was a musical that dove into the themes and culture of the The Beatles in a pretty profound way.
Great video very well thought out
Thanks for watching! Will be very interesting to watch over the next couple years as this project is revealed.
This man is the perfect physical manifestation of not only your subconscious reality but a wonderful example of a human who has great balance of masculine and feminine!
Atleast that's how I feel! These videos are so great!
That was a great video. I think you need to start off with John Lennon first and after that Ringo or George or George and Ringo whatever order. I would end it with Paul because in the end, Paul was pretty much calling all the shots which kind of pissed the other three off and it ends with them on the rooftop.
honestly i would just name all 4 Movies
on their 1st Names
John
Paul
George
Ringo
Excellent analysis.
Actually never considered these as being "serialized", i.e. one being "Part One" and the last one being "Part Four". Always pictured them as four unique stories from four unique perspectives, maybe with a little bit of crossover. But we'll see. Anything is possible.
Phew, this film series is going to be a tough sell for me. Regarding the realism, most biopics do suffer tremendously under the "incredible weight" of simply re-creating these iconic people and events. Even when it comes off uncannily good, a part of me still feels like it's just kind of, I dunno, fan-service-y? I don't know what is being gained or added to the culture in general (beyond the awe of the technical wizardry and acting prowess).
The only (sort of) biopic that I look back as having any lasting impact on me was the Bob Dylan film, *I'm Not There*.
Yeah, that's the tough part for me too. Who will play the Beatles? I guess we'll find out fairly soon. But no matter how good they are, as a viewer I will never REALLY accept that I'm looking at the Beatles, and that will unfortunately make the whole thing feel weird and uncanny. As I argue in the video, I think this is okay with other stars, but for some reason I'm just struggling to see how this will work with The Beatles.
Here's my guess. Total guess. Early years: John
Beatlemania: Ringo
Psychedelic era: Paul
Late era: George
Much enjoyed the video. I think the happy ending has to be in their musical legacy living on
That was a great video. I think you need to start off with John Lennon first and after that Ringo or George or George and Ringo whatever order. I would end it with Paul because in the end, Paul was pretty much calling all the shots which kind of pissed the other three off and it ends with them on the rooftop, j
two of us the film is fabulous for those who havent seen it
This channel is so absurdly underrated - do you have a patreon page yet?
Thanks for saying so! I hadn't considered doing the Patreon thing. I just assumed that is for bigger channels. Maybe next year it's something I could look at ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I am no fan of biopics in general. If you want to see a film about the music of the Beatles, I would rather recommend Danny Boyle's "Yesterday." 🙂
theres also a movie called beatle that vanished on its way,gonna be made by roy orbison son
I want only one Beatles movie about all 4 of them
4 seperate ones are not necessary
sounds like a huge cash grab
I thought sam was making 4