Is Copying Farrow and Ball Paint A Good Idea?
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- Опубліковано 5 лип 2017
- Testing some Farrow and Ball paint - both the originals and copies.
There's also a blog post here with more details for those of you in this F&B paint dilemma : moregeous.com/2017/07/06/farr... x - Навчання та стиль
Their advice from choosing the right colours to expanding a room size or covering up features in an ugly room or wall is spot on and has saved me an absolute fortune. They're the Rolls Royce of paints and I wouldn't go anywhere else.
Ceiling in the Bathroom is Stunning! Great choice
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I've ordered a F&B sample pot and will take it instore to get mixed if I like it. I'm assuming you can test the finished product before you take it home but I'm sure the lighting in everyone's home will reflect the shade differently. It's a tricky one and could work out quite costly if they don't get it right. I would love to try this brand but wow its expensive 😫
Good to see a copy on a wall up against the original. Quite a difference! It's making me swing back towards F&B though my decorator is not a fan - most of his clients go for a Valspar or Johnstone colour matched copy.
Kiat Huang average decorators hate using f and b coz of the price. They worry they’ll ruin a job and need to outlay on more paint !
Farrow and bill will tell you the variance between tins is 0.002% which is rubbish. Colour consistency with F/B is shocking. Even the colour charts don’t match each other every time they are printed let alone each tin. She could have done this experiment with two F/B runs and they would be a difference. Also depends which cheap alternative she used. Johnstones use a 15 pigment tinkering system and can recreate colours more accurately than most if not all others. Pro decorator for years. This woman clearly isn’t by the way she is going about it. More about snobbery.
I've just tested an area in my hallway with a Dulux copy of F&B's go-to colour 'Elephant's Breath'. Can honestly say it is NOTHING like the original 'EB' colour. I was shocked to see the Dulux copy was more brown and dull and flat compared to the soft warm and luminous tones of the original next to it. This also was the case when my mother attempted her living room in their green, 'Vert De Terre' with a trade copy. It's just no comparison - F&B def have a richness to their paints that is unparalleled when put up against cheaper pigment and I will be using them for my hallway. I agree with you, pay it or suck it up and find another colour!
I couldn't agree more Stephen. I love some of the colours that Dulux and Valspar do, for example, and would happily buy & use them, but as for their copies of Farrow & Ball - they just don't cut it!
Sian Astley the F&B has gone on. The final result is great! Nothing beats the chalky super matt finish and colour depth
Go to Johnstones. Their copies are much better.
@@jimtomlinsom1279 I agree with you Jim, the Johnstones copies are better, but are still never exact and never the real thing.
Hi, where did you get the ceiling wallpaper from in the bathroom?
theandroids Hi, the green botanical one? It’s a Cole & Son one called Palm Jungle x
Thanks a bunch!
theandroids Pleasure! It’s a lovely paper to hang, I did that ceiling myself.
All this video proves is that most people won't know if its farrow & ball or not. I think I'll get the copy.
It's all down to circumstance and personal choice. Like buying a Rolex copy, those who know will know, those who won't, won't. But the wearer will know and make that choice ;)
You are absolutely right. You can tell the quality by the lustre of the paint. The colour can be copied but the lustre is something that can't. @@Moregeous
I bought downpipe for my living room. Love the colour but it was such bad quality. Took 4 layers, kept coming off on the corners, coming up patchy and just didn't go on very well at all. I've heard a lot of people saying this. The other rooms I used valspar and it went on amazingly. Only took 2 coats and looks a lot better. All my walls are fresh as well as the property is only a year old so I know it's not down to bad quality walls. Farrow and Ball has great colours but it's a bit guff
If it's coming off, you haven't watered down the mist coat enough. F&B and similar paints do take more coats, but is speed really that important?
Just think the finish isn't as good as Valspar, takes more coats and is more expensive
James Benn No-one is disputing that it takes more coats or is more expensive. That’s a byproduct of using better quality pigments. On finish, what exactly do you mean? Why do you think valspar is better?
I used to use FB paints but I now prefer DULUX TRADE paints ..I find the FB paints in emulsion are a lovely colour but you cannot over work them as they go gloopy and I found that the egg shell or water based paint for woodworks seperated on the door after 3 years...Love the colours and forsmall work fine but I do not think they are as good as they used to be be
Angela Hyde: I don’t rate Dulux copies at all, plus their machines are often very poorly calibrated so the colours vary wildly. Johnson’s copies are much better, but still differ a lot in time.
In terms of durability I agree that trade wall paints are hardier. But people don’t buy wall paint from F&B for hardiness.
I’ve not had issues with internal F&B woodwork paint, but don’t really rate their external paint very much. Crown eggshell is the hardiest, Johnson’s is good too, but obv neither do a matt finish like F&B.
It’s a minefield!
I have switched to johnstones trade now and love it and happy with the fb colours they match for me at a quarter of the price and I love the paint as well. I just dont like chalk paint at all
I painted 2 rooms with sherwin-williams loved the results however on the 3 room was to be painted red :remember red is a hard color to go with: there is a thin line between classly and trashly ....Holy orders and lady of the night I 'm so happy with Rectory Red from Farrow and Ball
Exactly!
it all depends on the quantity of mix. if you get a mix from johnstones or valspar of at least 5L u will get a 99% match if you compare a FB tester pot to a valspar tester pot it will be different
Nope, I'd have to disagree. I buy 2.5 and 5L tins and the difference is palpable even on the larger quantities of mix. On a rental for eg I'd be happy with an F&B copy and buy 5L of Johnstones, but if I were to put the 'real thing' next to it, there's a big difference.
They are not copies, they are equivalents and they are always different side by side...
I've been painting for many years and used many different products depending on what my customers want. When I restored my cottage I went for f&b Dulux copy as you call it. Because it covers better, last longer. The same way I have no political loyalty I have no company loyalty, I only want the best results for my money. So don't wast yours on expensive brands when you can get the same colour match for far less.
re paint your cottage in real Farrow and Ball and only then you will see the difference. Farrow and ball is not only about the colour but about the ingredients in the paint. It is far superior then any other paint .
But that's rather my point, you can't get the 'same' colour as a copy. It's not the same, and that is a choice only the buyer can make.
@@zanyzoo6767 it’s just not. It’s no better than a quality trade paint and probably not as good.
@@Racelinekarting Wrong on so many levels. Stick to you characterless trade paint. Only those in the know, understand F and B and what goes in it .
@@zanyzoo6767 well I’m not wrong. I’m a professional decorator and have been for decades. I know paint very well thank you very much. There is nothing special about FB except the inflated prices and crap colour consistency.
For similar price Little Greene beats F&B. Their Absolute Matt barely needs a second coat, has a great finish and later touch-ups don't stand out. The old oil based is also better than the umpteenth-reformulation of water-based stuff. As a bonus you don't have to say you used F&B.
I used F and B in my cottage. Never again! While I agree that the colours are gorgeous the interior paint rubs off the walls and in fact rubbed off within 6 months of application. It’s very thin paint too and has to have a minimum of two coats. This makes it even more expensive IMO than Earthborn lifestyle clay paint, for example, which I can usually get away with one coat. The exterior paint fared no better. Despite following the manufacturing directions the paint has blistered, peeled and flaked and after only 3 years will have to be done again despite a 5 year guarantee. Im going to use either linseed oil paint or Osmo for future exterior applications. The Osmo has lasted 5 years so far.
I've never had any problems with the F&B paint rubbing off the wall Louise - that doesn't sound right at all! Did you contact them? I always do two coats of any wall based emulsion, that's fairly standard to achieve a good depth of colour.
With regard to the external paint, I've had an issue before now but it was due to poor prep, i.e. the external hardwood timber had not been correctly primed so the water based F&B paint blistered up after 2yrs. Oil based paint is definitely more hardy in extreme temperatures / outdoors, no matter what any paint companies say.
That feeling has lap marks everywhere f&b is horrible to use it is chalk and dry glue but they have really nice color choices
To be clear it wasn't finished! Hence the marks.
Any paint colour can be copied it’s only pigment, I’ve seen a lot of videos lately of people getting the colours matched and they look spot on, I don’t mind paying the F&B price but looking at comments here it’s made my mind up I’ll be using Valspar paint.
In the same way as a dressmaker could copy a Chanel dress Jemma. The dress is the same, but not the same. But you choose which to buy, and either is right or wrong.
@@Moregeous I’m going by the comments on here and other videos, it’s made my mind up for me, I’m having major renovations done on the house next year and don’t want to spend a hell of a lot of money on,paint that has a lot of negative reviews.I’ll just see how it goes with tester pots, although Warner House do lovely colours to, so I might go down that route with wallpaper, have you used theirs?
@@jemmajames6719 How did it go?
I have never found a proffessional painter liking farrow & Ball and I have been painting for 50 years ,they always prefer TRADE paint.. the chalk in them seperates after awhile
Professional painters are more concerned with speed and coverage and less with the final effect, colour depth and finish. Copies are nothing like the originals.
@@enjek5654 I've been painting for many years and used many different products depending on what my customers want. When I restored my cottage I went for f&b delux copy as you call it. Because it covers better, last longer, the same way I have no political loyalty I have no company loyalty. I only want the best results for my money. So don't wast yours on expensive brands when you can get the same colour match for far less.
@@openyoureyes4326 If a company copies a specific shade from another manufacturer, it's reasonable to call it a copy. Yes, the Dulux paint may cover in fewer coats, but it's also quicker and easier to make beans on toast than it is to make Beef Wellington. Speed and ease is only one consideration.
As I said before, of the colour matches I've seen, they're not even close to the originals that they're trying to mimic; the base, the depth or the finish. The fact that most rely on the RAL system that was invented for industrial paints with only 1,625 options in the entire colour gamut should be evidence enough.
Johnstones trade is the way to go on a copy its bang on
Mrashy32 It’s decent quality paint, I’ve used gallons of it. But you are wrong to say that it bang on copies F&B paint. It doesn’t.
if its that good why did they decide to do this www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/10/exclusive-farrow-ball-improves-paint-formula-criticism-interior/ i am a professional decorator have been for 27 years not saying its a bad product theres worse out there just don't agree with their price point and the fact you have to buy their primer to guarantee the paint you basically have to apply 3 coats!.Nice colour range thats a given.You have a beautiful house and a good eye:)
i went of point a bit.I have had johnstones trade colours mixed several times to match F&B and they have been spot on.The difference in the paint you are showing is no where near, granted.
Mrashy32 I think the essence is that Johnstones do super paint which can actually be better coverage after one/two coats than F&B, which is a bit of a shocker considering the price point but the colour / pigmentation / depth is not of the same quality. So that’s just a choice for the person paying the bill & living with the colour ;)
Mrashy32 See below. And thanks :)
There are alot of nice paints out there and they are not cheap. Maybe not as expensive as farrow and ball..expensive doesn't always mean better or nicer expand your mind
Over priced, for average quality paint, sure colours are nice, all pro' (trade) paint brand colour cards can give you a great choice, take your time before jumping in...........
You absolutely DONOT have the same color. The real thing produces real results like WOW. The copies either have a chalkiness, sometimes brightness pinkness eg in the peachy colors
Who's going to know they won't know 🤔 I'll copy gladly until they copy write the colors
Valspar is the superior paint to any other paint for me. Farrow and ball is a rip off. The paint is only going to be as good as your plaster work anyway. No one in the trade likes farrow and ball and Laura Ashley is the same. It's just a marketing scam. Trade paints are superior because they are the best for the tradesman. So it's like having a rolls Royce and it driving like a Peugeot.
if you want a good paint for kitchen or bathroom try thier eggshell expensive yes, but considering the quality its worth the money
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In a word No. The pigments are never the same as F&B and the quality is not the same either. Decorators recommend imitators because they're probably getting kick backs from them and my local DIY shop (a rare thing nowadays) would love to stock F&B but there is another interior design stockist nearby. Also, the advice you get from a F&B showroom from choosing the right colours to
I can assure you decorators are not getting kickbacks. Some fb paint are ok bit others not so good. I've been using Johnstones mixes of fb colours for 15 years and have never had any problems. This video is just marketing.
@@jimtomlinsom1279 well said
@@jimtomlinsom1279 yes she is after work from them, or they are paying her to do this. Farrow and ball are a nightmare to work with
@@jimtomlinsom1279 It's really not. If I were about marketing I would be trying to be an influencer and sucking up to brands, which I don't. I genuinely use both F&B and F&B copies, but in different circumstances and on different jobs. My point is simply that there is a huge difference between F&B paints in terms of colour, depth and pigment, and copies. Sorry if that wasn't clear! :)
@@michael-ox2eq This is not true.
First off all, It's not Farrow &Balls colours, they just chose to put them "shades" into their catalogue. And secondly I have never seen such a pile of overpriced absolute rubbish in my life. I have done my apprenticeship 20 years ago in Switzerland and have used numerous products but have never come across something similar in that price range. You would expect the results you get with Farrow & Ball, from a cheap DIY paint but not for that money.
IS farrow and ball copying a dunn edwards color a good idea? NO. wtf is the point of this video other than copy each others colors dont work out. The additives in paints gives it a sheen and a reflective value. Getting the color correct is easy. The amount of sheen/reflectiveness, not so much. Even cheap brands you cant "copy" and be perfect at a paint shop. Bring it to the lab and they can determine the amounts of additives then they can copy it. If you cant afford the damn stuff to keep up with the jones there are 100's of brands out there less expensive and a much better paint in regards to durability.
I agree with you Will, you can't 'copy' the colour. Well you can but it's always just an imitation, especially when put side by side. I'd never seen them side by side before, hence the video, as I was so surprised at the difference. I like the 'Jones' analogy, if you can't afford F&B, pick a different brand and shade.
@@Moregeous I paint for a living. Considering the price of farrow and bollox and the fine paints europe. I was stunned at how crappy they were for applying. Took forever to dry enough just to 2ed coat and in the case of farrow and bollox 3rd coat and 4th coat. I have no clue how these companies are still standing. Yes I do. The jones don't have a clue but want to tell all their "friends" they used farrow and bollox or the fine paints of europe because even though its cheap. Its somewhat expensive.
The shade has nothing to do with affordability Mrs. Jones.
@@willmurphy6996 And yet thousands of people buy the paint and love the colours. I don’t disagree with you on them being expensive, not as good coverage as say Johnstone’s, or less easy to work with from a decorators perspective. Notwithstanding ALL of that, their colours are richer & deeper than the direct colour copies, that’s just a fact. Incidentally you come across as very angry, I hope I’m not contributing to that.
@@Moregeous Millions of people buy other better quality paint and love the non limited colors lol. Cheap paints can give you the rich and depth of farrow and ball and will hold it longer. You cannot pull the direct color copies. Again I can bring you a can of shit Behr paint and ask FB to copy it and it wont match and then I could say FB doesn't have the richness nor depth of Behr paint because they couldn't match it. Thats a redundant statement. Plese tell me you are not a painter because logic is not a strong suit.
Im not angry. Im frustrated with stupid people and the older I get the more a I learn stupid people out number people with common sense, a bit of intelligence and the smart ones combined. Then there are the ones who think they know wtf they are talking about and think oh lets make a video for all the other stupid fucks that will believe I know wtf i am talking about. Its just a vicious circle with stupid people.
36 years in the trade ... this paint is garbage the likes of Dulux crown Johnstones are far superior to this paint its wishy washy got no guts if you want to throw your money away you do it ..... I just like to know who your preaching to !!