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What's making me a little worried about the Skinetic vest is that their Kickstarter just completely crashed and burned. Partly because people didn't know what games had support, partly because of the missing wireless functionality and Quest support, and all those problems are still unsolved right now except for promises...? In any case, from a developer's view: bhaptics competitors have a steep uphill battle ahead of them. It took the company several years of software development to get the SDK integration as smooth and painless for game developers as it is now. Catching up to that is quite the feat, and Skinetic definitely isn't there yet. :-( I think another interesting competitor would be OWO, who are in a similar position but have going for them that they are providing exactly the one sensation that has been missing: sharp impacts and sudden flinches. I have a DevKit at home and am working on some integration, maybe try to get your hands on one of these before they release in October.
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 Thanks. I did talk to developers at Skinetic and OWO, and do help them here and there. But I am not for hire, I have a cool job, and more importantly: a family to spend all the free time with. 😉
Everything stands and falls with the support...or the standardization....the more habtic vests come on the market the more the support will disperse....here Bhabtics has a few years head start but the Owo vest meets all the requirements to go a similarly successful way.... I hope so because I (native Quest user) would like to order it 😬👍
@@AndiR_78 Having worked with the bhaptics, Skinetic, and OWO hardware and developers... If you want a recommendation for a Quest user: Get a bhaptics vest. Unless you are really, really looking for the physical pain experience. Only the OWO can deliver pain. For everything else, bhaptics right now is so much less hassle, has so much more flexibility for effects, and has so many more supported games that you really cannot justify the OWO skin. And the more fair comparison is the X16, which is more similar in the amount of motors to the OWO skin's electrodes, and then you don't even have a price advantage anymore. If you need more details, let me know. For now all I can say is: Yes, you can order the OWO skin now. But unless you really want to feel pain or like to go a more experimental route, with tinkering and problems, really rather go with a bhaptics vest.
@@FlorianFahrenberger What's your perspective as a developer on the timeline of Owo getting support similar to bhaptics? I wasn't going to get a Bhaptics because Owo offers a far more intriguing experience, but I'm starting to wonder if it will be at least a full year after release before it really gets support for a wide library of games.
Great review Matteo! Love that you compared it to the BHaptic vest! The vest seems to be good. I just can’t justify getting one because I bought the BHaptic X40. Thanks for all that you do!
We definitely need a software standard for haptic devices in order to enable widespread adoption. OpenXR seems to be a good start for headsets, but in the long term there is so much more. As a bhaptics vest user, it feels a bit like early VR: Not a lot of titles which natively support the vest. As time goes by, things will likely improve, but the software support is my main concern for all these add-ons.
I’ve owned both x40 and arms from bhaptics and the only reason I paid almost one grand for that old tech is the excellent software support in the VR Industry. If we just want to experience the coolest haptic feeling, No one can beat something like Tesla suit, that being said, this new vest might be little more “immersive”, but how long will it take for them to get that long list of native support games? Coz audio to haptic really sucks in my opinion.
Something I'd like to know is. The BHaptics motors have a high pitched whine when trying to create feeling from the high end frequencies. I find the bHaptics pretty annoying, especially with open ear speakers like the Index. How does this vest handle the higher frequencies and is it as annoying as the bHaptics?
I saw the Skinetic vest on KS but shied away from it because it was kind of costly and there's too many unknowns right now, like will it even have game support, which it sounds like is a story that got repeated quite a bit given how the kickstarter failed. Which isn't too inspiring, but sucks as there's some amazing tech in it! You could have the greatest, most detailed haptic vest in the world which perfectly stimulates sensations on a 1:1 basis, but if the software support is non-existent, then you've got a nice paperweight. As more and more of these peripherals crop up, they'll really need to be some kind of standard created so that these devices can be as easily supported as possible, much like the industry is moving to the OpenXR standard for headsets instead of everyone having their own OpenVR solution that created some compatibility headaches. VR industry in general feels like it had the hardware there, but the software side of things is lacking comparatively. Without something like that, unless a competitor ends up having a really dedicated fan to create a bunch of mods for big games or the creators make it themselves, I don't foresee too many bhaptics competitors having success as long as they keep being sold at their current prices. Which is a shame. Because legitimate competition is only good for the consumer and drives forth innovation to stay competitive. Things like the Skinetic and OWO Vests look far ahead of bhaptics in the sensations they can replicate, but it won't matter if developers don't try to support it. Bhaptics had almost zero support when it came out, but now it has a library in the triple digits and some major titlles to its name. But it took YEARS to reach that, competitors won't have that time when bhaptics already has such market share.
Great vid as always. I own the x16 and was going to upgrade to the x40. Now I dont know if I should wait. However that price is pretty damn steep. If it has pavlov native support then I am very interested .
Owo has a vest your looking for...it actually zaps you ...with tazer like feel that you can ajust the intensity ...like the tens muscle stimulator from a drs office
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 will a Acer Nitro 5 15.6" Gaming Laptop - 12th Gen Intel Core i7-12700H - GeForce RTX 3060 - 144Hz 1080p - Windows 11 run vr?.. I'm about to hit the purchase button, HELPPPPP!
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 the 3060 works just fine. It's my wifi I think that makes it unbearable. Alot of stutter and blackscreen if I move my head to quick. Any suggestions 🤔 would be welcomed
lol come on, that toy is not even remotely close to either of these. Very simple rumble pack. You are either trolling or dont know what you are missing
@@shaolin95 try it because they have 30 days free return gaurantee. You can feel every effect through sound effect. Every pound of effect feels different. You missing it out brother. Bhaptic vibration is too weak and woojer vest edge gives strong pounding haptic effect. Thats the only reason i return bhaptic
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Can't wait until these features are common and come with every headset one day
Ready player one vibes
@@ItBeToastyit would be dope tho
What's making me a little worried about the Skinetic vest is that their Kickstarter just completely crashed and burned. Partly because people didn't know what games had support, partly because of the missing wireless functionality and Quest support, and all those problems are still unsolved right now except for promises...?
In any case, from a developer's view: bhaptics competitors have a steep uphill battle ahead of them. It took the company several years of software development to get the SDK integration as smooth and painless for game developers as it is now. Catching up to that is quite the feat, and Skinetic definitely isn't there yet. :-(
I think another interesting competitor would be OWO, who are in a similar position but have going for them that they are providing exactly the one sensation that has been missing: sharp impacts and sudden flinches. I have a DevKit at home and am working on some integration, maybe try to get your hands on one of these before they release in October.
They need to hire you, need a contact?
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 Thanks. I did talk to developers at Skinetic and OWO, and do help them here and there. But I am not for hire, I have a cool job, and more importantly: a family to spend all the free time with. 😉
Everything stands and falls with the support...or the standardization....the more habtic vests come on the market the more the support will disperse....here Bhabtics has a few years head start but the Owo vest meets all the requirements to go a similarly successful way.... I hope so because I (native Quest user) would like to order it 😬👍
@@AndiR_78 Having worked with the bhaptics, Skinetic, and OWO hardware and developers... If you want a recommendation for a Quest user: Get a bhaptics vest. Unless you are really, really looking for the physical pain experience. Only the OWO can deliver pain. For everything else, bhaptics right now is so much less hassle, has so much more flexibility for effects, and has so many more supported games that you really cannot justify the OWO skin. And the more fair comparison is the X16, which is more similar in the amount of motors to the OWO skin's electrodes, and then you don't even have a price advantage anymore.
If you need more details, let me know. For now all I can say is: Yes, you can order the OWO skin now. But unless you really want to feel pain or like to go a more experimental route, with tinkering and problems, really rather go with a bhaptics vest.
@@FlorianFahrenberger What's your perspective as a developer on the timeline of Owo getting support similar to bhaptics? I wasn't going to get a Bhaptics because Owo offers a far more intriguing experience, but I'm starting to wonder if it will be at least a full year after release before it really gets support for a wide library of games.
So cool to see more and more competition in the Haptic space
Great review Matteo! Love that you compared it to the BHaptic vest! The vest seems to be good. I just can’t justify getting one because I bought the BHaptic X40. Thanks for all that you do!
We definitely need a software standard for haptic devices in order to enable widespread adoption.
OpenXR seems to be a good start for headsets, but in the long term there is so much more.
As a bhaptics vest user, it feels a bit like early VR: Not a lot of titles which natively support the vest.
As time goes by, things will likely improve, but the software support is my main concern for all these add-ons.
I’ve owned both x40 and arms from bhaptics and the only reason I paid almost one grand for that old tech is the excellent software support in the VR Industry. If we just want to experience the coolest haptic feeling, No one can beat something like Tesla suit, that being said, this new vest might be little more “immersive”, but how long will it take for them to get that long list of native support games? Coz audio to haptic really sucks in my opinion.
Agreed
Hi, thank you for this comparison. Have you had a chance to revisit the newer versions of Skinetic and in that case do you have an updated review?
Nothing yet
Something I'd like to know is. The BHaptics motors have a high pitched whine when trying to create feeling from the high end frequencies.
I find the bHaptics pretty annoying, especially with open ear speakers like the Index.
How does this vest handle the higher frequencies and is it as annoying as the bHaptics?
From my limited testing, less annoying
How does either compare to the woojer vest 3?
I unfortunately haven't tried it
I got worried that I made a mistake by just ordering a bhaptics vest but I think I made the right choice
Does it feel like there is more "spread" or hits a wider area for the individual sensors with Skinetic compared to bHaptics?
Yes I guess you can say more spread. It honestly feels like putting a subwoofer and speaker up against you body
definitely looking for more coverage
I saw the Skinetic vest on KS but shied away from it because it was kind of costly and there's too many unknowns right now, like will it even have game support, which it sounds like is a story that got repeated quite a bit given how the kickstarter failed. Which isn't too inspiring, but sucks as there's some amazing tech in it!
You could have the greatest, most detailed haptic vest in the world which perfectly stimulates sensations on a 1:1 basis, but if the software support is non-existent, then you've got a nice paperweight. As more and more of these peripherals crop up, they'll really need to be some kind of standard created so that these devices can be as easily supported as possible, much like the industry is moving to the OpenXR standard for headsets instead of everyone having their own OpenVR solution that created some compatibility headaches. VR industry in general feels like it had the hardware there, but the software side of things is lacking comparatively.
Without something like that, unless a competitor ends up having a really dedicated fan to create a bunch of mods for big games or the creators make it themselves, I don't foresee too many bhaptics competitors having success as long as they keep being sold at their current prices.
Which is a shame. Because legitimate competition is only good for the consumer and drives forth innovation to stay competitive. Things like the Skinetic and OWO Vests look far ahead of bhaptics in the sensations they can replicate, but it won't matter if developers don't try to support it. Bhaptics had almost zero support when it came out, but now it has a library in the triple digits and some major titlles to its name. But it took YEARS to reach that, competitors won't have that time when bhaptics already has such market share.
Great vid as always. I own the x16 and was going to upgrade to the x40. Now I dont know if I should wait. However that price is pretty damn steep. If it has pavlov native support then I am very interested .
How does bhaptics vest work using quest 2 using steam pcvr via air link? Does it vibrate well? I want it for Onward.
It vibrates the same on quest or pc but its different per game
I want to get a vest to upgrade my VR experience and I play VRCHAT the most so it's BHastic would worlk well on VRCHAT?
I know the mod was blocked at one point, I'm not sure if it works now
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 what? So no any Vest work on VRCHAT like the Vives?
Where do you get haptic soups
Suits? They are online
Owo has a vest your looking for...it actually zaps you ...with tazer like feel that you can ajust the intensity ...like the tens muscle stimulator from a drs office
Hi it's Phil, does the bhaptics work with some Psvr2 games
it would work in audio to haptics mode but does have software integration
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 can you explain regarding software integration, I did here it works with Pavlov
@@phillea708 software integration has things like location detection and custom sensations
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 OK thank you
Thank You
looks awesome
ribbed for her pleasure lmfao, subscribed
Watching this high af and I feel like he is just trying to convince me he doesn't have a speech impediment.
Go home you're high
Me: yay I Got haptic suit
Plays bonelab
Me: AAAAAA
It's just like apples and oranges or gigachads and gigachads
Lol
Hot phone on my face and a hot vest on my chest, immersion..
Lol. Honestly I don't have heat issues with it. A sweat shirt is about 10x worse to play in
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 will a Acer Nitro 5 15.6" Gaming Laptop - 12th Gen Intel Core i7-12700H - GeForce RTX 3060 - 144Hz 1080p - Windows 11 run vr?.. I'm about to hit the purchase button, HELPPPPP!
Yeah, but I’d recommend at least a 3070.
@@RidgeVR 3060 is fine
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 the 3060 works just fine. It's my wifi I think that makes it unbearable. Alot of stutter and blackscreen if I move my head to quick. Any suggestions 🤔 would be welcomed
This should have been a first reaction vid. Most of the info is tentative so why compare it to a tested and proven consumer product
Answered in the first 30 seconds
*Interesting*
Bhaptics overall is still better
Agreed
Check out OWO apparently you will feel that hit
Nice
Owo vest is the best
Hmmm
What you mean cheap lmfao 😜 scalpers drive prices up so none of it's cheap
Way overpriced in my opinion. Im happy with Woojer Edge Vest with 5 positional audio effect and only $299 too
How did you hook it up? My woojer vest has input delay on Bluetooth.
The wires is hit and miss trying to get it to work
@@TonyDrecaps i hook it up woojer to Quest 2 with 3.5mm jack. It works perfect and It doesn't get in the way while playing it
lol come on, that toy is not even remotely close to either of these. Very simple rumble pack. You are either trolling or dont know what you are missing
@@shaolin95 try it because they have 30 days free return gaurantee. You can feel every effect through sound effect. Every pound of effect feels different. You missing it out brother. Bhaptic vibration is too weak and woojer vest edge gives strong pounding haptic effect. Thats the only reason i return bhaptic
Woojer vest is trash
Way too long
Why
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 ignore the couch potatoes trolls