I'm not trying to get anyone bent out of shape but I have to say that I just don't get all the V4 hate. On a highway cruise I only know it's in V4 mode if I see the dash display. Yea, it's cold out and the windows are up but I don't feel the change either. I'm on a road trip cruising down the highway getting 30 mpg in a C8. What is not to like? I really don't care what others think, I'm in my C8 and those that are not either don't care or wish they were in a C8 too. It's 2023, this is life with cars, we should be happy Corvettes have survived and just enjoy the drive.
I’ve owned a few Corvettes couple C7’s stingray and Z06 and my current C8 Z51 and from my experience the hate comes from the info that GM is known for AFM system (active fuel management) to cause problems with the afm lifters, and those parts stop working so you have to tear engine down to replace seized lifters. Videos online say to prevent this from happening it’s best to not let your corvette go to v4 mode in turn your cylinders wear evenly which also helps prevent problems in the future related to that. But I guess that’s where some hate comes from possibly, there’s also a class action lawsuit filed against GM in 2021 about this issue. hope this info helps.
My z51 switches in and out of v4 every few seconds when driving 45 mph roads, making an audible shunk sound every time. All that switching is bound to break eventually, and for almost no savings. Worse is fear of engine destruction when one of those sprung lifters gets stuck. GM is being sued over that. With C8 there isn't an easy odb2 module way to disable v4.
@ yeah there are videos on UA-cam that show you how to avoid letting your car go in v4 mode look em up I never drive in V4 mode since it wrecked havoc with the previous generations
I have Paragon Titanium exhaust installed and I do not experience any engine lights or problems with cell calls. The valve simulator works like a charm. Looks and sounds great...
Had 2 C8's so far, both with Paragon Performance catback exhausts. First one had their touring exhaust, current one has their titanium exhaust. No problems with CEL on either car. They provide valve simulators that are plug n play. Wasn't aware others were having that much of an issue getting a CEL due to a catback. I installed the titanium exhaust myself without a lift and didn't seem that difficult to me.
I'm not sure if you'll get this question but even though I missed this broadcast I need to know if the Borla non-attak track type system has a drone or not? Mine is still on back order and if it does, I'll cancel it immediately because I DON'T want a drone. Thanks for your help.
I have a 2023 z51 package which comes with the upgraded exhaust as well. I think I'm keeping it as is as it sounds pretty good. I just hate the square tips. I would like to change them to round tips, carbon fiber.
@@sstrey174 it’s going good really helps with that post launch speed, that’s where I was getting hurt. The most recent people was the last little bit of that quarter mile. They’re catching up so I’m able to really keep that jump.
@@sstrey174 Sorry dude talk to text. I was getting hurt after the launch people are catching up to me really fast I did a 150 drive shot. If I didn’t tell you, I feel that helps maintain the life of my motor better than a wet shot.
@@sstrey174 turned out good bro, I apologize. I thought I replied yesterday I must not hit send. I think the dry shop helps out the longevity of my motor, I don’t have any problem taking people off the jump. With the Nitrous I hit third gear and I’m gone.
I just had the AWE switch path exhaust system installed on my c8Z06. It immediatly started with a check engine light. Also I noticed the remote start won't work. I have to take it back in but I am not certain it can its connected to the exhaust but pretty sure it is.
Never had a check engine light with my Borla Attack system for my C8. Functions like factory when cutting off 2 mufflers in quiet mode. No drone at all. Sounds amazing but that is my opinion and what I picked vs the rest.
good stuff, I like AWE personally and the track was wild outside but after break in had minor drone. It really made the car enjoyable & fun to drive opposed to npp. Really outdoes the comp in sound , IMO equal to Fab Speed, & I ran it against all those exhaust even C8Z. … & it soonds better standing still.
I had the AWE touring put on my C8 at Carlisle and 2 guys had it installed in about an hour. My car is non Z51 and did not have the NPP exhaust. It’s loud all the time. No drone or CEL. I almost did not get it done as I was having second thoughts. Driving home made me think I should not have installed the exhaust. 2 months later I think it was the right move. I love the black tips and have gotten used to the loudness. I’ve driven a Z51 car since and there is a big difference with the AWE. From this conversation it almost sounds like my chances for CEL or drone might be greater if my car had the factory NPP and I then added the AWE touring.
I have a non -Z51 I just picked up 3 weeks ago. Thinking of picking up an exhaust. What are your thoughts now? Would you go with the same exhaust or something else?
@@sstrey174 I am very happy with the AWE Touring. No regrets at all. There really is a difference over the NPP exhaust. Everyone who has heard it agrees. I do think the track version would be too loud for me. As I said previously there is no CEL or drone. If you want to save money you can look at Corsa, but I just don't know about the drone or CEL situation. Probably $500-600 less. You can hear the exhaust inside the cabin, but it's not crazy loud.
I installed the Fabspeed Valvetronix on my C8 and sport cats and what a difference. Top of the line company developing top of the line exhaust systems for the C8. Extremely satisfied with HP gains and sound. You have to be patient because they’re made to order (not in stock). I think some of the opinions here doesn’t count when you can even say the name of the company correctly.. its FABSPEED NOT speedfab c’mon. Also, you haven’t heard how the system sounds in person and somehow some of you have an opinion….
@@_Car_Ideas Very minimal IMO. I did the sport cats too and wow.. whatta difference, the beast woke up. Fabspeed will give you an exotic V8 sound hard to explain and videos won’t make justice.
@@_Car_Ideas They haven't been chasing the Corvette market for years like many of the companies have. They don't even make any exhaust systems for other generations of Corvettes. They do a lot of high end European but have ventured into the American produced market the last few years. Only select cars though. A lot of cars like Camaros and Challengers are not on the list. It's also a bit more money than most but what a nice sound. I have the same system on my car, no drone. They make a top notch system. You do here the 4 four mode though, that has a deeper odd base tone. Something everyone complains about regardless of which exhaust they have, including factory. The exhaust makes the car and I was never one to chase an exhaust note. Weight savings of 20lbs also.
Yes track mode does dismantle it, it’s amazing no one knows this. Something else that no one knows is that you can start the car by pushing the start button simultaneously with the Z button and you get a loud start every time. 💪🏼
The C8 doesn’t sound like a sports car with only the npp exhaust. borla GM exhaust had 25% off and I had $850 money back. $370 installed. Plus another $100 off. Total cost $3280.
V Mode 100% disables V4 mode. If you set it to be more aggressive... my z mode is a hybrid of sport and track, and it has never gone into V4. Touring is the only one. The comments on V4....I don't hear it. Not sure what you guys do to engage it. Mine is only on the freeway, or coasting on street.
I'm not trying to get anyone bent out of shape but I have to say that I just don't get all the V4 hate. On a highway cruise I only know it's in V4 mode if I see the dash display. Yea, it's cold out and the windows are up but I don't feel the change either. I'm on a road trip cruising down the highway getting 30 mpg in a C8. What is not to like? I really don't care what others think, I'm in my C8 and those that are not either don't care or wish they were in a C8 too. It's 2023, this is life with cars, we should be happy Corvettes have survived and just enjoy the drive.
GM has spent a lot of time getting the Z51 exhaust to sound great and perform exceptional. I will save my money for tires and fuel thank you.
I’ve owned a few Corvettes couple C7’s stingray and Z06 and my current C8 Z51 and from my experience the hate comes from the info that GM is known for AFM system (active fuel management) to cause problems with the afm lifters, and those parts stop working so you have to tear engine down to replace seized lifters. Videos online say to prevent this from happening it’s best to not let your corvette go to v4 mode in turn your cylinders wear evenly which also helps prevent problems in the future related to that. But I guess that’s where some hate comes from possibly, there’s also a class action lawsuit filed against GM in 2021 about this issue. hope this info helps.
My z51 switches in and out of v4 every few seconds when driving 45 mph roads, making an audible shunk sound every time. All that switching is bound to break eventually, and for almost no savings. Worse is fear of engine destruction when one of those sprung lifters gets stuck. GM is being sued over that. With C8 there isn't an easy odb2 module way to disable v4.
@ yeah there are videos on UA-cam that show you how to avoid letting your car go in v4 mode look em up I never drive in V4 mode since it wrecked havoc with the previous generations
I wonder how much louder the gm approved borla exhaust is compared to the normal performance exhaust? And is it worth it?
I have Paragon Titanium exhaust installed and I do not experience any engine lights or problems with cell calls. The valve simulator works like a charm. Looks and sounds great...
how is it on the long hwy drives, love the look
Had 2 C8's so far, both with Paragon Performance catback exhausts. First one had their touring exhaust, current one has their titanium exhaust. No problems with CEL on either car. They provide valve simulators that are plug n play. Wasn't aware others were having that much of an issue getting a CEL due to a catback. I installed the titanium exhaust myself without a lift and didn't seem that difficult to me.
Thanks for the support! Our simulators will work with any exhaust system and are plug and play.
816 Garage, where are you located?
I'm not sure if you'll get this question but even though I missed this broadcast I need to know if the
Borla non-attak track type system has a drone or not? Mine is still on back order and if it does, I'll cancel it immediately because I DON'T want a drone.
Thanks for your help.
I have the upgraded exhaust on my 23 stingray c8 from the factory, I love the pop. I also added a 150 dry shot of nitrous, I whoop on the Z06 all day.
I have a 2023 z51 package which comes with the upgraded exhaust as well. I think I'm keeping it as is as it sounds pretty good. I just hate the square tips. I would like to change them to round tips, carbon fiber.
Hey how is that Nitrous setup working out?
@@sstrey174 it’s going good really helps with that post launch speed, that’s where I was getting hurt. The most recent people was the last little bit of that quarter mile. They’re catching up so I’m able to really keep that jump.
@@sstrey174
Sorry dude talk to text. I was getting hurt after the launch people are catching up to me really fast I did a 150 drive shot. If I didn’t tell you, I feel that helps maintain the life of my motor better than a wet shot.
@@sstrey174 turned out good bro, I apologize. I thought I replied yesterday I must not hit send. I think the dry shop helps out the longevity of my motor, I don’t have any problem taking people off the jump. With the Nitrous I hit third gear and I’m gone.
This has been the single, most useful and informative C8 video I have seen online. Thanks guys for helping me make a critical decision WRT to C8.
Paragons is 2400 with sensors and shipped, I looked at AWE, but the build quality on the Paragon seen unsurpassed.
Basically after watching this I don’t think I’m going to put an exhaust on my c8. How do you pass inspection with the light on?
You can absolutely turn off v4 mode in Z mode if you max out the power train section aka engine/shift
I just had the AWE switch path exhaust system installed on my c8Z06. It immediatly started with a check engine light. Also I noticed the remote start won't work. I have to take it back in but I am not certain it can its connected to the exhaust but pretty sure it is.
How does the Paragon touring compare?
Great show tonight (as always) guys! Thanks for what y’all do for the community! 💪🇺🇸
Thank you Doug, it is our pleasure 👍😊
Never had a check engine light with my Borla Attack system for my C8. Functions like factory when cutting off 2 mufflers in quiet mode. No drone at all. Sounds amazing but that is my opinion and what I picked vs the rest.
good stuff, I like AWE personally and the track was wild outside but after break in had minor drone. It really made the car enjoyable & fun to drive opposed to npp. Really outdoes the comp in sound , IMO equal to Fab Speed, & I ran it against all those exhaust even C8Z. … & it soonds better standing still.
I had the AWE touring put on my C8 at Carlisle and 2 guys had it installed in about an hour. My car is non Z51 and did not have the NPP exhaust. It’s loud all the time. No drone or CEL. I almost did not get it done as I was having second thoughts. Driving home made me think I should not have installed the exhaust. 2 months later I think it was the right move. I love the black tips and have gotten used to the loudness. I’ve driven a Z51 car since and there is a big difference with the AWE. From this conversation it almost sounds like my chances for CEL or drone might be greater if my car had the factory NPP and I then added the AWE touring.
I have a non -Z51 I just picked up 3 weeks ago. Thinking of picking up an exhaust. What are your thoughts now? Would you go with the same exhaust or something else?
@@sstrey174 I am very happy with the AWE Touring. No regrets at all. There really is a difference over the NPP exhaust. Everyone who has heard it agrees. I do think the track version would be too loud for me. As I said previously there is no CEL or drone. If you want to save money you can look at Corsa, but I just don't know about the drone or CEL situation. Probably $500-600 less. You can hear the exhaust inside the cabin, but it's not crazy loud.
@@stevehoyle1157 Im coming from a Jaguar Type R which has a great stock exhaust
so looking for something really aggressive without being obnoxious
I’ve never heard the Jag, but I do think you will like the AWE on the C8. I think it fits what you are looking for with not being obnoxious.
@Steve Hoyle I just looked at a couple videos on the Paragon Performance track exhaust. Ever heard that in person?
How about a kit that converts to center exhaust.
It's out there
I would like to know what your thoughts are on paragon touring exhaust, please
I installed the Fabspeed Valvetronix on my C8 and sport cats and what a difference. Top of the line company developing top of the line exhaust systems for the C8. Extremely satisfied with HP gains and sound. You have to be patient because they’re made to order (not in stock). I think some of the opinions here doesn’t count when you can even say the name of the company correctly.. its FABSPEED NOT speedfab c’mon. Also, you haven’t heard how the system sounds in person and somehow some of you have an opinion….
How is the drone? I was deciding between the Corsa and AWE touring but not sure which direction to go. I have the stock NPP currently.
@@_Car_Ideas
Very minimal IMO. I did the sport cats too and wow.. whatta difference, the beast woke up. Fabspeed will give you an exotic V8 sound hard to explain and videos won’t make justice.
@@Will-yp6ny I’ve been watching some videos on the Fabspeed, it sounds really great! I’m surprised I haven’t heard more about this one.
@@_Car_Ideas They haven't been chasing the Corvette market for years like many of the companies have. They don't even make any exhaust systems for other generations of Corvettes. They do a lot of high end European but have ventured into the American produced market the last few years. Only select cars though. A lot of cars like Camaros and Challengers are not on the list. It's also a bit more money than most but what a nice sound. I have the same system on my car, no drone. They make a top notch system. You do here the 4 four mode though, that has a deeper odd base tone. Something everyone complains about regardless of which exhaust they have, including factory. The exhaust makes the car and I was never one to chase an exhaust note. Weight savings of 20lbs also.
@@Will-yp6ny Correct, the videos do it no justice. I have the same system. Just exhaust, no cats though.
Where is his shop located?
Every time I drop into v4 mode it sounds I ran over a license plate. How does the v4 mode effect the 500 mile break-in.
It doesn't.
What is the drone?
Is there a titanium exhaust with valves and comes ceramic coated prior to delivery?
Track mode also disabled V4 mode.
Every mode does, It only works is standard.
Yes track mode does dismantle it, it’s amazing no one knows this. Something else that no one knows is that you can start the car by pushing the start button simultaneously with the
Z button and you get a loud start every time. 💪🏼
@@2020matrix8knew the first trick that’s how I drive in track mode 😂 but thanks for the z mode and start button trick.
Thanks for the info!
Talk into the mic. Mike’s is good
I want one that passes California smog
Track mode definitely dismantles V4 mode!
It’s the only mode I drive in….
i love CORSA
The C8 doesn’t sound like a sports car with only the npp exhaust.
borla GM exhaust had 25% off and I had $850 money back. $370 installed. Plus another $100 off. Total cost $3280.
Z mode 100% disables the AFM 4 cylinder mode. You probably have to bump the engine up, but mine has never come on in Z mode.
I started out shooting the nitrous at the air filter, then turned it little by little till it was shooting right down her throat, smh.
I didn’t see B&B Bullet exhaust
People need to talk into the mic not away from it. Hard to follow the Conversations
V Mode 100% disables V4 mode. If you set it to be more aggressive... my z mode is a hybrid of sport and track, and it has never gone into V4. Touring is the only one. The comments on V4....I don't hear it. Not sure what you guys do to engage it. Mine is only on the freeway, or coasting on street.
Sport can go into v4 too I’ve found out
im here
There’s guys lol 😂
corsa is the best next is borla
Soo what's the outcome, dont feel like watching the whole video ...
get classy. Keep it quiet.