Justice League Vlog
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- Опубліковано 15 лис 2017
- Justice League isn't good, but I didn't hate it. If you want a bottom line, that's it, but if you watch the video I go into a lot more detail. Because I couldn't take notes in the theatre there's a bunch I forgot, like a completely misplaced scene near the start where Batman's beard disappears, a sequence set to Icky Thump that seems to have been left in purely because they already paid the licensing fee, how Steppenwolf looks like he's been lifted from a Dragon Age: Origins cutscene, and Cyborg's uniformly weird, floaty movements that aren't strange enough to feel intentionally alien nor normal enough to feel natural.
Written and performed by Dan Olson
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They should have put the mustache in the film. Just, Superman has a mustache now. His resurrection gave him facial hair out of nowhere. No real explanation. Would make it infinitely better.
Ersanven It depends on what scenes they needed to reshoot. It wouldn’t work for him to have a mustache disappear and reappear.
What, you never heard of his Super disguise powers?
Ersanven lmfao omg I would of loved that
I said why they just didn't give him a beard and a mullet. Its sorta true to comic and no weird CGI. smh DC is filled with ass clowns
Maybe they could say his hair kept growing after his death (which is actually not true), and Flash (perhaps as a prank) decided to give the man a mustache.
My favourite part is when they first fight Steppenwolf and all the league members are doing their thing: Cyborg and Aquaman are fighting heaps of parademons, The Flash is saving people, Wonder Woman is soloing Steppenwolf and then Batman spends the entire scene fighting one parademon and he’s trying his best but apparently being rich isn’t good enough.
purpleunicorn12 real shit batman was so disappointing in this movie. He had barely any fight scenes and in the few he did have, they were terrible. The bruce wayne aspect was boring as well. Its really too bad because i fucking loved his portrayal in BvS, especially the warehouse fight.
purpleunicorn12 It's inexcusable, especially because having Cyborg on the team as the tech guy makes Bats even less useful
purpleunicorn12 compare that to how awesome and also relevant Batman was in the Doomsday scene lmao- whatever you might think of the scene it looked Viking awesome and mysterious /decandent like Batman and he fired that Kryp. Grenade at doomsday lmao Whedon. have you seen Zack Snyder's one pic. He Vero' of an anti- dementor gun, I mean can you imagine him ever shooting Batman stiffly coming down on that fucking string gun after the rest of the league just jumped the gate, and shooting him in broad daylight - even on the poster, what were they thinking-- or when Superman fucking slapped him lmao. Or when he picked him up by his cowl and made it look all plastic I mean what an idiot. Atleast Snyder's films look good enough to be called films. Avengers was good you know in its way- but.....
Krypt. Grenade being softened blow or whatever. Also I mean when he came down on the string bit by bit storytelling and it would have been inconsistent but he should have just been inside waiting in the dark and even cheesy and not exactly written like this but Aquaman could say 'where did you come from' and he just turns and swishes his cape and walks in Nolan firm image of character bcos he's a professional, Snyder's fucking awese- visionary imo. Whedon..... oh well Avengers is good you know
"It was really weird to see Superman smile" - Words I never thought I'd say.
Willie Gross Smile AGAIN you mean? People forget in MoS he smiles a lot.
Cavill not smiling is a myth.
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"I did not hate it" will be on the DVD/BD box.
"Superman is less of a prick in this one, he even smiles" - what a glowing recommendation!
I want to watch the movie with a commentary that has both Whedon and Snyder on it because they seem like they have the exact opposite ideas in about every way and I think that would be absolutely amazing to hear.
I feel like it would just be two hours of them going back and forth with each other saying that the other "ruined muh movie :(". I'd still pay to see that though. Why do I feel like they get petty about it too. Like Whedon would bring up how shitty Dawn of the dead was and Snyder would clap back with "what about Age of Ultron tho?"
@@spacecadet9663 dawn of the dead wasn't shitty tho
My roommate works at the effects studio that WB hired for Justice League. Everything she told me made it sound like it was a hot mess. Artists working for weeks without days off, Joss Whedon constantly asking for last minute changes, people constantly quitting, etc. Apparently, they were still working on the CGI far into late October, only a few weeks before release.
Holy crap! Guys, upvote this so people can see
If you wanted to know the name of the effect studio it's called MPC and they reside in Vancouver, Canada.
Your roommate is a liar. Good try though 👍
whedon and wb butchered the movie and made it a mess, just like they did with SS
@Tobi
I mean, they got the studio right, MPC did, indeed work on Justice League, and do have a Vancouver location. Do you have anything to back up that they're lying?
"There's stuff that actually happens" - one reviewer raved.
All the Wonder Woman upskirt shots is DEFINITELY Snyder's movie because my gosh was it distracting, this includes the fact that every outfit she wore had to bear her breasts or outline her butt. I was getting Sucker Punch flashbacks. This is a total 180 to how she was shot in this movie compared to her solo movie and its sad. The moment the camera was uncomfortably close to her crotch in her FIRST scene, I knew this was going to be bad.
After the movie ended the guy sitting behind me just groaned "I shouldn't have watched Thor Ragnarok before this, I cant enjoy this". This man wished he didn't see a better movie because it made this one look awful and its fucking hilarious!
Honestly, I'd put a lot of the cringy stuff on whedon..... like the flash falling in her boobs is literally right in the avengers movie too, lmao.
crotch shot? nice =) JK. By the way, 180 instead of 360 makes more sence
Given how Whedon's already exposed to be a cheating asshole I'm not surprised :/
Yep, Ragnarok > League
At least the Flash moment was over really, really fast. Like they move on in 5 seconds
You know, I distinctly remember rocks levitating off of Superman's coffin at the end of BvS, which seemed to imply that he wasn't dead even at that point. But I guess that didn't mean anything now? I can't say I'm surprised I guess
I love to watch the hand gestures reflecting in the microphone.
Gaahhhh! Damn you! Now I can't take my eyes away from it!!!
Noooooo. Now I can't see anything else.
thank you for saying what I didn't have the courage to
Thank god I only saw this comment with one minute left :D
Can't be unseen :)
For the entire movie I was half-expecting Barry Allen to vent his frustrations about losing a game of poker he's playing with a bird.
The other half of my expectation was that after Superman was resurrected, he would be pacified by Batman reminding him, "Wait, Clark! I saved your mom! MARTHA!"
"I'm losin' to a bird!"
--Barry Allen, probably
Okay, that Extra Credits "Game" plush is pretty adorable.
Your mother is adorable.
It is! and we get to see Superman acting like Superman
Folding Ideas Binge-Watch Drinking Game:
- "There's a distinct tone problem in the film"
- "The editing was .. terrible"
There we were, watching the opening of Justice League. My daughter turns to me and says "something's wrong with his face, something's weird. Is that the same actor? ". I told her about the cgi to remove Superman's mustache and she says "no...it's around his cheeks"
Me "Oh! Yeah, that's because he's smiling.". 😂😂😂
Honestly, going back to these reviews is so interesting, now that we have a clearer idea of what was originally Snyder's and what was Whedon's. Like, a lot of the painful Barry stuff was Snyder's all along! Whereas the Lois and Martha scene at the Daily Planet was Whedon's. The ressurection of Superman is more or less the same in both versions...
Indeed, it is interesting. For instance, everyone really did think that the opening was Snyder's doing, despite the opening included "Directed by Joss Whedon" over a still image of a homeless man with a sign that reads, "I tried" (the meaning of which is now very obvious). But now we know that it was Whedon's. My biggest takeaway from that realization was, "Wait a minute; he was able to convincingly imitate Snyder's directing style all along? Not that I'm complaining."
The Bone-Cracking Gurgledeaths is my garage band.
Trademark that name NOW! :D
I SO happy you noticed that awkward placing of Barry and Bruce's "save one person" conversation. IF the entire conversation had been ONLY "I don't do battle" -- "Save one" ala Wanda and Clint's "Walk out that door and you're an Avengers" convo, and placed BEFORE Steppenwolf was CHOKING PEOPLE, it would have been perfect. As it was, Steppenwolf could have killed a couple people while the Flash was having a "Who's on first?" gag scene with Batman.
"If you go see it, it shouldn't leave you in pain and hating the world"" - oh boy, now I'm excited!
I saw it with my father and when leaving the cinema it took us a really long time to even ask what we thought about the movie. Like we were both afraid that we were gonna have different takes. Turns out we didn't, we both thought it was... ok. Not good. Not bad, just... ok? But we both agreed the first hour was so incredibly tedious we almost fell asleep. That was easily the most Snyderish part of the movie.
On a different note, if you haven't seen BvS and go straight into this, like my dad did, the movie portrays it like Batman flat out killed Superman himself. Very few allusions to Doomsday, one or two throwaway lines that Lex Luthor was in it and then Superman comes back all growly: "You couldn't let me live. You couldn't let me die." It's entirely plausible to think Batman killed Superman on that basis.
That part with the third motherbox...i just...my hands went up into the air and it was like the movie had reached out into the theatre and grabbed me by the collar and shook me, laughing in my face, spitting on me, and all i could do was sit there confused and hurt
"I did not hate it" completely sums up my reaction to it as well.
"It probably won't leave you in pain" wow thanks dan now I feel very confident about watching this.
(But seriously thanks for the amazing vlog. I probably wouldn't have gone to see it in theaters either way so…guess I'll just wait until I can watch it for free/cheap)
So Superman turned from Superman the Grey into Superman the White?
Perhaps Snyder wanted the resurrection to go wrong, resulting in Superman going Full Injustice Superman, setting him up as the Villain of the next movie. Which honestly would have made a lot more sense, but I guess WB didn't want that, for obvious reasons.
I mean...he was basically a villain in the previous two movies. Probably shouldn't rehash the same thing over and over.
That would've been so awesome.
Joseph Shrike yeah kinda, but they never really committed to it. A resurrection can be a good excuse to turn someone evil (I mean, it's cheap, but it works). Though it would be more interesting if they did something like what they did in the Justice League animated show. Then again, that means delving into parallel dimensions and... On second thought, never mind.
Joseph Shrike, wasn't Zod the villain in MOS and Batman/Lex was the villain in BVS, right? Since when was Superman the villain?
It was hyperbole.
I'm gonna pay the price of admission just to see the weird CGI on Cavill.
You could wait until clips show up on youtube. That way DC lose even more money.
I saw the movie and forgot to look for it. I'm not paying to go again.
jorge_cloonez find the Chinese version online for free
That's legit why I went to see it.
Well it sounds like they need the money if the quality of the cgi is anything to go by
DC has set the bar so low that even a slug could get over it.
Justice League is the slug in this analogy, if that wasn't clear.
"Justice League is the slug" needs to be on the poster
Oh hai Whycalibur. Happily surprised to see you here!
You saying that it's weird to see DCEU-Superman smile is such a sad (and probably accurate) thing to hear :/
And it's no fault of poor Cavill, he's such a nice dude and he would be amazing if given the right dialogue and script to work with, i just wish patty Jenkins does Mos 2
It;s very strange in hindsight to think back on it 3 years later and realise a lot of stuff we *assumed* Whedon had shot had actually been there all along
Yes and no. I was surprised how much was in the original, but I was also surprised how much Whedon reshot just to slightly change tone or add a funny line. Like, reshot a whole sequence, shot for shot, line for line, except for a line or two added or removed.
And to realize how awful Whedon and Snyder's cuts are in their own special ways.
@@_V.Va_ Honestly, while the theatrical version is still garbage, the Snyder Cut gave me a newfound appreciation for it. For instance, I disliked the bank scene when I first saw it, but then I saw how Snyder had it that Wonder Woman spattered the walls with the blood and brains of the bad guys and blew up a huge portion of the bank herself; likely killing a number of cops outside, I like that the theatrical version got rid of both the blood and the explosions.
Similarly, one of the few scenes I liked when I saw the theatrical version was the one where Wonder Woman sees Batman's bruises and dislocated shoulder and tells him, "You can't keep doing this forever", leading Batman to admit, "I can barely keep doing it now." It was a really nice character moment and, guess what; it was added for the theatrical version; it was not in the Snyder Cut, because the Snyder Cut seems to think Batman's an invincible brute.
@@matthewmuir8884 As much as Snyder likes the imagery of Dark Knight Returns, he is clearly a major fan of Dark Knight Strikes Again's view on superheroes in general, and Batman in particular.
Which is unfortunate, because DKSA is a terrible comic which gets Batman as wrong as you can get him.
the trailer had this melancholy and kind of nice sequence where lois sees clark standing in the farm and he says, "I'll take that as a yes, then. the ring." and she wakes up alone and we see that she was dreaming and she has the ring and she's sad
what ended up in the movie? a rushed cut of lois waking up and stroking the bed. my brain automatically filled in that scene from the trailer and it wasn't until the actual green screen farm reshoot scene that i realized what they had replaced my Good Trailer Scene with :/
I thought the scene where the fastest man in the world and an otherworldly cyborg with unexplainable, otherworldly technology took what seemed to be an hour or more digging up Clark's dead body, which thankfully hadn't rotted or even remotely discolored, was amazing!!
This might be a trivial scene in the grand scheme of things but I don't see how two individuals with the powers of gods would break out a shovel and spend actual human time digging up a dead body. So much for security at the cemetery, some cameras or at least a human sentry or drone patrolling the grounds for possible grave robbers. But again it speaks to how messy and sloppy and ill-conceived this film and franchise are.
Some may say that the scene with Steve Rogers and Tony Stark chopping wood was a bit silly but clearly the point was for the team to slow down and take time to figure out their next move. Then seeing Steve rip apart a log like it was paper conveys that he had the power to do more but chose not to for the sake of giving him a menial task to take his mind off the carnage that was about to ensue. I get the sense that Whedon wanted a similar wood chopping scene for Flash and Cyborg but it just doesn't work in this context.
I eagerly await your review once the movie has been released on video and you can dissect it with more detail and call out specific scenes using actual footage instead of just talking about it.
...hey, yeah! isn't the Flash's whole thing that he does EVERYTHING fast (think, learn, dig, etc)?
I know this comment is three years old, but The Flash says during the scene that they could dig it up in a nanosecond, but they both feel uncomfortable digging up the body of a fallen hero. Incidentally, that explanation was added in the reshoots; the Snyder Cut leaves out the explanation and just has The Flash point out that they could dig it up in a nanosecond.
I wonder if Whedon was hired because he was available or if WB took the opportunity to emulate Avengers. It seems odd to call on Whedon to replace Snyder and your review confirms it.
I theorized that Whedon wanted the chance to re-enter superhero films in a way where its hard to blame him if its bad.
Whedon was announced to be directing a Batgirl movie about a month and change before the news broke he'd be replacing Snyder so he had already joined the DC camp
Honestly it felt really refreshing too. Snyder's visuals were gorgeous, but Whedon's banter totally sold me on the League itself
Whedon and Snyder... all my nightmares at once.
Snyder called Whedon, not WB
You mention that the Cavill moments are “unsettling” and I couldn’t agree more. The cgi made it look like he was some sort of hollow monster pretending to be human. I should say though, I didn’t hate it either.
"Bone-cracking gurgle-deaths."
Man that's a sexy Mic
I wonder if it’s danish audio it is gorgeous
Check out Brandon Boyd's mic from the 'If Not Now, When' Tours and Studio recordings
lol that's a soulman mic
Whedon walks in "let's polish this turd" and indeed we got a brightly polished one alright
17:00 It should come as no surprise that Snyder's next project is an adaptation of Ayn Rand. His Superman is literally the Randian übermensch, a John Galt type whose greatness the masses cannot possibly appreciate or comprehend until he's gone.
I'd like to hear your take on Ragnarok, even just briefly. Personally, I've enjoyed it a lot because it felt like it both let go and embraced superhero stereotypes, but unlike Age of Ultron or Civil War is doesn't bemoan it over and over, it just has fun with it. And I really love Waititi's style.
And that's exactly why I didn't like it. If it can't take itself seriously, then I cannot take it seriously and it just get boring. Also hurts that 90% of the jokes just fall flat for me.
I think it’s a fun flick but overall the two plots of Hela vs Planet Hulk have nothing to do with each other and don’t mesh. It doesn’t help either that there’s pretty much nothing about Hela that’s interesting, she’s mostly reduced to a woman scorn which is dumb, at least Cate Blanchett had fun in the role. Ragnarok should’ve been a Planet Hulk movie exclusively and dropped the Hela storyline altogether for a future movie so they could actually pay some attention to it.
@@handsoaphandsoap
Exactly. I hated how two dimensional Hela was. And the humour felt quite forced.
Waititi's humor was amazing to me! It felt like the movie could joke while also taking itself seriously in the right moments. They barely use bathos (when a serious moment is cut by a comedic one), instead having a lot of comedic moments and some serious scenes. Felt great fir me and I strongly disagree with the idea that the jokes were forced, but I can comprehend people who didn't vibe with it for any reason.
@@haggisa Hela is literally a metaphore for the evil of colonialism. Like, the film is about how to move past forms of identity that hurt you and move on to new ones that empower you. Hel played her part in the film perfectly.
I was having a crisis on whether or not I would watch Justice League in theaters and this definitely clinched it in the "not" corner. Thanks Dan
Sam Gonzalez
"Crisis..." I see what you did there.
"It's not a misanthropic cesspit." - Folding Ideas
I wanna see that blurb on the DVD packaging.
I feel that the big problem with the DCEU (besides editing) is the mythology. The MCU built Iron Man from the ground up, and then built the worlds mythology from that through to Avengers and beyond. Whereas the DCEU seems to use the preconceived mythology from the public conception of the characters. This would probably have worked if they had kept to the well known characterisations from the comics, but instead they decided to changed what Superman was, without building the mythology around this new character. So in Justice League everyone is losing their heads over their beacon of hope being gone, yet he wasn't ever held up as that beacon in the previous 2 movies. Bruce says the big reason to bring him back is because Clark is more human than him; This works great in the comics but here he barely even met Superman, let alone Clark, and for like 2 mins. We just kind of have to assume Superman was a nice guy because people say he is, but he is never shown to actually want to help people. I guess this is why Wonder Woman actually worked. The first act is setting up her mythology, and we see her express and confront her views on the world, and the world's view of her.
I'd go see the band "Bone Cracking Gurgle Death"
Pleasantly surprised to find a classic Jack comment here.
It's not Justice League without Martian Manhunter.
or hawkgirl. or green lantern. they should have gone with the dcau lineup.
Martian Manhunter
Martia Manhunte
Marti Manhunt
Mart Manhun
Mart Mahu
Mart Mah
Mart ah
Martha
drksideofthewal Eh, it's a bit of a stretch.
But, not as much of a stretch as it was in the movie.
Martin Manhunter: "Don't give them any ideas. I don't want any part of this mess."
#ULTIMATETRUTH
How did The Flash manage not to go grab the mother box the second Steppenwolf's portal opened? Like, he's supposed to be fast. Does he just not think very fast?
The most important question is:Can we have CGI Moustache Removal in every movie going forward?
Surely not the Freddie Mercury biopic.
If anything, I WANT moustached Superman!
+TheStanishStudios
Exactly. It has personality.
Finally, thank you! While I could have forgiven "MARTHA!!!", what I find I can't get past is Batman's redemption and this entire film being built on a characterization of Superman that was never presented to the audience. I already thought it would be too late to save JL, but maybe there is hope for whatever actually goes into production after AquaMan.
Honestly, I was just relieved to see Batman acknowledge Superman's humanity and actually see a Superman closer to how he frankly should have been. How come it took three movies and a set of reshoots just to see Superman actually be Superman to some extent, rather than someone who's just brooding and murdery?
Just saw it. It's not a clusterfuck on the level of BvS or Suicide Squad. It's just... so meh. Dull, kinda cheesy, a few good moments sprinkled throughout. Generic plot, effects weren't great (Henry Cavill's CG moustache removal in one scene - holy shit his face looked so bizarre I laughed harder than at any of Flash's jokes). Biggest complaint would be Steppenwolf - second DC movie this year and the second superhero movie THIS MONTH where the villain design is "big CGI monster man with horns". His plot is to find the McGuffin and take over the world with his army of cannon fodder minions because he's mean I guess. When he gets defeated at the end he actually says shit like "no, that's not possible!" Almost felt like a parody of poorly written villains. Also this movie had like three different opening scenes, four if you count the credits sequence.
It was just such a nothing movie. Completely forgettable, unambitious and inoffensive - Snyder's other two DC films, flawed as they were, certainly weren't that. It's a shame. This is the fucking Justice League. Fans deserve better.
4/10 on my scale
Spoilers for the post credits scene - Eisenluthor is back because I guess Warner Bros hates us and now he's teaming up with Deathstroke. They finally gave him the bald head and the suit and he looks like a kid playing dress up. If he's gonna be in Gareth Evans's Deathstroke movie... well, there goes my excitement for that. Ugh.
you nailed my feelings perfectly
Nathan Holstrom she was just as forgettable though
Marauder Of Diagon Alley Not really
Goldblum was the real Villain in Thor 3, Hela was Kevin Feige's hand in the movie.
The Question the villain was poorly written and underdeveloped and she was "threatning" you say?? Don't make me laugh. The woman was a joke. Hulk was more threatning than her and he was one of the good guys lol
Am I insane or is Dan-O’s audio like, three frames off?
Pretty sure it's going to drift in and out by a few frames. I was lazy and used OBS to record directly to hard drive, but OBS uses variable frame rate, which Premiere "fixes" causing drifts in audio that will phase in and out depending on instantaneous bitrate.
Folding Ideas I like that you actually look through comments.
Good on you
@@FoldingIdeas I thought this was folding ideas not folding excuses
„Are you gonna cheat on your movies like you cheated on your wife?“ - Jenny Nicholson on Joss Whedon repeating jokes
Whichever WB executive had the bright idea to put snyder in charge of this franchise should be shut in a room and played the whole series back to back in a LOOP
I would be very much interested in hearing your thoughts, opinions or analysis on/of the Snyder Cut. (Just to note, I have actually not seen either cut of Justice League, so I don't have a horse in this race. I would just be curious to see if any of your thoughts have changed, and how.)
I love your reviews. You bring the problems so clearly into the light !
DC Fans: "No, the DCEU isn't bad, it's just got a more serious tone, not like those Marvel films, they're all quips and one liners!"
Justice League comes out, full of jokes but still being bad
DC Fans: "... Errr..."
lol I notice they've been avoiding that
That's not DC fans, actually. Not an actual DC fan said that. DC corporate slaves have said those things. Learn the difference.
Sorry Georgie, but I've seen people try to stick up for the DC movies on those grounds. Like, a lot. Looks that those clairvoyance powers to know what every DC fan has said have failed you this time :p
Honestly JL being mediocre is probably a much bigger burn to them then it being BvS level.
Padaster True, at least there's actually things worth talking about in BvS, Like how Batman is characterised morelike Lex Luthor, Lex is characterised like a knock off Joker, and Doomsday has more in common with Nuclear Man from Superman IV than Doomsday proper
I love that he can explain these problems without really going into plot details, like everything he brings up is trailer level spoiler stuff. Things they should have told us in the trailers.
"Kind of weird and more than a little strange" sounds like a sequel to Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close.
Considering all what Snyder wanted, I’m kinda glad we got the Whedon version. At least Superman finally acted like how he’s supposed to
lmao
Just this morning a co-worker was telling me about it, and I think the best compliment he could give was "it's mostly better than batman vs superman". Which isn't saying a whole lot, at all. Contrast this with the sea of hyperbolic praise given in the comments sections of the trailers, which I highly suspect are filled with fake comments seeded by WB.
Personally, I have no intention of "going easy" on the DC movies. Especially since, with Wonder Woman, they showed that they _are_ capable of making a decent and likable movie (if only WW had a better scene in place of the big-bad-guy fight it would have been genuinely *good* as a movie). I suspect I'll wait to check out Justice League when it comes out for rental or something.
But hopefully this is the last Snyder-tainted movie they make and I can start enjoying some damn DC movies.
So what Im getting is ... snyder made a trash movie and whedon made most of an okay/good movie and the combo is ... a movie
Yes.
Shubham Nipanikar Based on his previous “major successes”?
Based on what we know now, it seems Znyder made 4+ hour dsrk movie mostly against direct studio mandates. Wheadon made the 2 hour movie studio wanted by cobbling together what he was able to film with Znyder's material.
Gurgle death is the most upsetting description of violence I've heard. 12/10
Sounds like the studio panicked and reasoned that a dud was preferable to a train-wreck. I really think Snyder needs to leave this project. I feel like he's hurting the project and the project is hurting him. Might be time to walk away and get some air.
Name Here he has left already due to personal reasons. He wont be wprking on dc projects for a while.
Ricardo Aviles Thank god!
@@ricardoaviles2260 Look who's back!
@@mburumorris3166 But thankfully only for his cut of the movie; hopefully he'll leave DC be once he's done feeding his own ego.
The moustache in the farm scene was literally, if you haven't seen it, like a meme. Like one of those memes with moving mouths it was unreal to watch in an actual movie lmao
Setup: "I hear you talk to fish?" Reminder: "Wait, do you talk to fish?" Payoff: None, it's never mentioned again. Setup: "My metabolism is super fast and I eat all the time" Reminder: "Is now a bad time to talk about my blood sugar?" Payoff: None, it's never mentioned again. (I may have just watched your video on suicide squad). Even by this one small measure the movie was a complete mess.
That's not a problem of the movie, as much as is a problem of you using that rule like it's universal. Even in that video, Dan says that things DON'T ALWAYS need to be set up, reinforced and pay off, just that it makes it feel better.
This things you mention just happened. And then are mentioned again. But aren't neccesarily big stuff anyway.
The problem there was Suicide Squad has a pay off that turns out to "transform the unicorn into money out of nowhere", not that "there is no pay off for the unicorn" after being reinforced.
“If you do go see it, it won’t leave you in pain and hating the world.” Guys, I think we found a quote for the DVD box!
I still like "Gurggle deaths" as a description for that particular brand of movie kill.
well, it did leave me in pain and hating the world
I'm a huge Superman fan who felt burned by the last two films, so it's safe to say that he really does feel like the big blue boy scout we all know and love, right? RIGHT? (Nervous)
dracowheelz5 imo he is portrayed better in this one.
TheGreeklover08 ok thank you!
He eventually comes out the boyscout in blue and red that we all know and love, it just... takes a while to get there.
The boy Scout is back and it's great. His sheer raw power is also on display. Supes is great.
I honestly thought it was pretty enjoyable. Not great by any critical standard but far better than what we've seen in Man of Steel and BvS. I actually liked Cavill's Superman for the first time by the end of the movie, which is a hell of an achievement. Really reinforces my view that my issues with the character weren't him so much as the writing or Snyder's direction. Anyway, interesting speculation on reshoots and such.
So fascinating to come back to this after the release of the director’s cut. So many things we thought were Whedon’s were Snyder’s and viceversa.
10:20 This is like the scenes in Suicide Squad. The first time we see a soldier turned into one of those putty monsters, the film immediately cuts to Harley Quinn smashing the window to steal a purse.
so far, the best review
Just like Suicide Squad , he doesn't just say he hated it or loved it, there's a grey area you know, i mean i enjoy the fast and furious movies, they're still pretty bad though
the opening was pretty bad save for the badass Wonder Woman intro scene where she stops random terrorists, that felt like a justice league cartoon cold open
As goofy as Cavill's cg lip was, I feel like the movie truly shined every time he or his computer generated self showed up. It's clear they tried to cram a great deal of levity into the movie, but Superman's scenes felt less schlocky than anything Aquaman, Flash, or Cyborg did. If this version of Superman had appeared in Man of Steel, I probably would have loved it.
Extra Credits! Yay!
Also, loved this little glimpse into your train of thought:
"The dialogue doesn't get Whedon-esque ever, really- I mean aside from... Huh, Barry's always kind of in there but it's not... it's- it's not a problem, um... it's not- (Voice croaks in horror) Overall it's not really there"
It's so weird to me how these movies get longer, but it seems like less happens.
Thoughts on how so many critics on youtube are too afraid to say the movie is bad? Even though they give multiple reasons why it is
Mulch Butler so, disclaimer: I have not seen the movie, I’ve only watched a couple reviews, but it seems to me that compared to the other DCEU movies, it’s reasonably competent and people really want the franchise to succeed despite its many failures, so they don’t say “it’s terrible” they say “it’s not that bad” and feel hopeful despite themselves. That’s my theory anyway.
Mulch Butler I don't think they're afraid, it's more about expectations.
Everyone was braced for it to be Suicide Squad again. It's not, it's low mediocre not Fan4stic. So everyone is pleasantly surprised.
A Marvel movie, or even a Fox Xmen movie couldn't get away with this, because we've got expectations for them. But DC movies at this point are the disappointment child; "yeah, he dropped out, but at least he hasn't gotten arrested again..."
I see your point but the Rotten Tomatoes thing was very worrisome, and most of the reviews I've watched/read can all be summarized as "meh, you'll like it if you like comics or action, but here's a whole list of problems that are unforgivable at this level".
Just seems like if this wasn't a comic book movie, no one would recommend it. "It was nice to see the Justice League come to life" I hear that a lot.
I feel like I covered this in the vlog, during my summary at the end, but the short of it is that the movie ends on its strongest foot, which colours the way that viewers mentally frame the movie. It's not great, but I didn't leave the theatre angry. It is, objectively, riddled with problems, but it's at least coherent and feels like it's focused on a singular comprehensible plot. I wouldn't recommend it, but if you're basically going to see it anyway because friends/family/whatever then it's passable.
Also I feel like a lot of YT critics are deliberately using "damning with faint praise" titles (as I did) due to the very specific culture of toxic fans that have arisen around the DCEU.
Superman looked like the goddamned Annoying Orange
My guess is.... In the original version, Supe was supposed to comeback as an evil pawn of Steppenwolf and Darkseid , leading to events of the second JL, in which the dark knightmare timeline from BvS happens, and the flash has to time travel, back to Bruce, saying Lois is the key. Snyder had a plan, it was bad,but he knew where he wanted to go.
For those curious about the "Superman Smile" he mentions: comicbook.com/dc/2017/11/17/justice-league-superman-henry-cavill-mustache-CGI/
oh no
Before clicking: "I must see it"
After clicking: "I need to lay down"
(._____.)
Some things just can be unseen.
oh god
He looks constipated as hell.....
17:48 I honestly interpreted the opening of Justice League as the world realizing that it didn't know what it had until it was gone, which lines up a bit better with BvS but, like BvS, is undermined by Snyder's Superman being a jerk.
Less-prickish Superman is a big selling point.
I don't think they originally intended to resurrect Superman at all. Snyder teased the fact that he was still alive at the end of BvS with the funeral scene, so he might have had Superman just show up and save the day in the end.
Snyder was talking about bringing Superman back in the next movie within a week of BvS coming out.
Gotta say, the "Everyone's mad at Superman for not fixing everything, America doesn't deserve Superman" to "Everyone's sad that the world is bad *without* Superman" transition sounds so much like sulky boomer rhetoric about America that I'd almost be shocked if it wasn't intentional.
That EXTRA CREDITS plush is adorable...
"I didn't hate it."
Damn, that's some faint praise.
I must admit, the extra credit plushy confused me for a second. I thought Dan Olson is also Daniel Floyd for a moment.
Glad you're a fan of EC!
I find it interesting that this is the second time (almost in a row) that this studio is jumping to an ensemble without laying proper groundwork OR doing ensemble right. And (semi spoiler I guess kinda?) there's indications they're planning to do it AGAIN. I know they're playing catch-up but there are right ways to present ensembles, and they are not doing those ways.
My friends and I were talking about it, and the biggest issue is that these characters were insufficiently distinct. Everyone was punchy stabby except Superman who also had freezebreath and eyebeams; and Flash for Search & Rescue. They never really gave each character a proper moment in their element, bringing their own special something to the effort. Hell, they let Aquaman get Worfed when Steppenwolf stole the Atlantean motherbox. That was really fucking stupid.
Anyway... all of that said, I feel like they're trying to course-correct, and they had to do this one as a write-off so that moving forward they can give the characters the films they deserve. I hope that's the case, because I really want to see good DC movies because I love these characters.
Just don't make me watch Batfleck do the Batusi.
Even worse than the CGI on Henry's upper lip was the CGI on Cyborg, like it just was so obviously fake, especially with part of a real face still attached, that my suspension of disbelief cracked every time he showed up on screen. I'm not really overly fussy about that sort of thing, the issue is just that it felt especially egregious in this case. He should have kept the goddamn hoodie on for the whole movie.
Watching your videos makes me calm and happy. Thank you.
If you've seen no DC movies and have zero context for the term 'motherbox', the name is grounds for endless and very concerning speculation.
@folding ideas: What is the likelihood of having these made in the form of podcasts? I love your videos but I find myself listening to them more often than I watch, would love the ability to listen to these in car or whatever. Thanks, happy holidays and all that.
isn´t indifference to a movie worse than hatred
Good point
yep, at least BvS is memorable for how bad it is, this just sounds like a nothing movie that will be forgotten by the release of Star Wars
maybe thats the plan, put people to sleep than soft reboot the DCEU
Maggiddo[X]Gaming hahaha, still a more plausible theory than Disney buying critics though
"I guess we screwed up now, dang !"
Just saw and I’d say when Bruce starts recruiting is where it kicks in, loved momoa as aqua man and ezra played flash well. Still don’t care for Superman and kinda lukewarm on Ben as bat still, 6/10
I think you failed to mention how good wonder woman is in this movie, like her attitude and presence is like a breath of fresh air in this world
"Dying has made Superman less of a prick."
Yeah, death will do that to you.
Dude you have too much of a life, I need more videos!
Damning with faint praise! I love your critiques of superhero films anyway
3:45 I sincerely would love to see you make a two hour vid on the Snyder Cut!
Snyder apparantly wanted superman to be evil throughout, even still being evil at the end. Even with the weird face, Cavill's superman finally got good, if fans of dc comics thank whedon for anything, it should be for that.
There was a Turkish Airlines commercial before this video. Amazing.