I followed Grigory’s performances since he was 19 ( 3 yrs after winning Tchaikovsky competition). His perfect technical skills could blow away any pedant, but I was always disappointed by his artistic performances. Chopin sounded like he was exercising, without much emotion. Grigory’s lack of emotional maturity hampered his interpretations, making them dry and colorless. Grigory had to share the same stage in StPetersburg and Moscow with such olympians, as Gilels, Rubinstein, Richter, - an immense challenge. But I knew, with time, he would become really accomplished master. And he did! His Chopin now is out of this world! He stands alone on Olympus, leaving even the most famous Chopin masters behind. Truly Grand master. I’m so happy for him, proud that I knew him, as a friend in my youth.
I can't really agree about the development of Sokolov musically. I don't like this performance much but it's quite ordinary and in normal taste. In later years I feel his eccentricity has gone off the charts. Often I just can't stand his playing. And he certainly plays much slower today than back then. It's a matter of taste, since I don't deny his pianistic mastery. However, I know I'm not the only one who just doesn't like his musicianship
@@marksmith3947 Absolutely !! Speed only shows technique, but there is no heart and soul!... I hated. He is not a pianist... he is a gymnast. He destroyed the Study
@@claudiococchiaro6268 Guys, stop the crap, he was 17 yo here, and its absolutely fantastic, moreover when you know how incredible he became later. He is among the top 3 pianists alive today.
Listen to Sokolov's playing of Rameau's Les Triolets and Chopin's "Ocean" Étude (op. 25 no 12). The man is a fusion sublime of technique and feeling-meaning.
@@hsr.babY123 never heard any. I actually refer to the incident when people were throwing tomatoes into Gilels , bcs he was the head of the jury. In public opinion Misha Dichter was the wiener. After many years Gilels noted, nobody remembers today Dichter, but Sokolov is famous in the whole world.
@@privateprivate22 look at competitions today. It is kinda random who wins. Some choose the "best right now", others the ones with "potential". It is personal preference. I value them very little. Same with award shows in entertainment and sports.
if you're going to learn anything it has to be early, so no surprise to see fantastique technique at this age. what would really surprise would be a top pro who was ordinary at age 17. ever been one?
I think because you start at a young age you have dedicated your life basically. Makes you more likely to pursue this route. When you grow older there are more risks to take and technically one is independent at that time, meaning to make reasonable decisions to probably help themselves survive.
Как прекрасно. Нет, не только Шопен и Григорий Соколов. Это дело известное. А вот эта встреча - с самим собой, через годы и годы. И видно, что маэстро не разочарован. Он подает своей молодости руку, этому 17-летнему молодому человеку, играющему Шопена.
It was so fun to see Sokolov as a young man! The audio did not adequately capture the left hand melodic line, but his ambition to be great is much in evidence!
It’s mighty fast, and it’s sounding in F-Sharp Major, not F Major. Perhaps there was a copyright issue. At any rate, even if slowed down to the proper key, it would still be a very, very quick Allegro. 😎🎹
The clarity is stunning ! But I feel tempo and such classical clipped passage work reminds one this music was written in the 1late 1820's so the pig Steinway sound and later ideas of lushness in Chopin don't fit. It should prob sound like this on an Erard or Pleyel but Steinways make everything better with their deep keyboard beds that get more variable sound !
This isn't at the correct pitch so I'm assuming the video has been speeded up. This etude is meant to be in F major, but sounds F# major. I still think Sokolov is a phenomenal pianist, but the original of this video would not have been this fast
So focused on one thing in youth robs the interpreter of the pool of experiences the composer used for inspiration. Ambition near talent rarely serves the artist.
Not to diminish the absolutely impressive performance, but it should be noted that this is pitched higher than F major, meaning that the recording is slightly sped up.
@@underscorde1976 I have never heard of the practice of tuning almost a half step high, I don't think it's tuned that way. It's common for older recordings to be played back too quickly due to the technology of the time when it is transferred to digital. It should be the job of whoever is mastering the recording and syncing with audio to bring it back to A=440. Same with early recordings from many pianists that were recorded on LPs. It is sped up for sure
Brillante technique, mais exécution trop rapide à mon humble avis de mélomane ! Un jeu de virtuose certes , mais qui manque d'âme !! Par la suite , ses interprétations sont devenues de plus en plus subtiles, nuancées... Un immense pianiste actuel, d'une très grande sensibilité !! Un immense bravo à vous, M. SOKOLOV !!!!!👏👏👍👍👍
Soit , si vous le dites ! Toujours est-il que pour moi, c'est joué trop vite ! Dommage que je ne puisse pas vous faire écouter ma propre interprétation ( sur piano ancien " KIKOUINE " !) C'est carrément RENVERSANT .....@@mariemichelgouar7084 face-blue-smiling @mariemichelgouar7084
How different this purely “etude”, sports performance is from how the etudes of the twenty-fifth opus of the same Chopin will sound twenty years later! The very criteria for approaching works will change. Here a sketch is just a sketch, but in the future there will be a disidentification and Sokolov will begin to approach sketches as works of art that imply the seriousness of artistic expression, and not just exercises in virtuosity. It’s a pity that leaving the brilliant recordings of the etudes Op. 25, Sokolov did not play the remaining fifteen etudes.
Mamma Mia! I don't think that Chopin himself could have played at the 1,000 horsepower of Sokolov at his prime. This is what Liszt would have sounded like if he had a strong enough and responsive enough concert grand to bash apart. Frankly, the speed is hideous and unreproducible except for a small handful of artists. I think that he's showing off and the overall piece has little artistic merit. It has a huge amount of technique and sheer power and prowess.
@@stevefoley4073 I can hear that phrasing, actually, but it sucks (at least to me). Don't get angry, I'm simply saying that the great musician is yet to come.
I'm not in any way angry, just in despair at idiots on UA-cam pretending they have knowledge of a subject. This phrasing is first class - world class - especially with a fast piece like this. You are clearly clueless, so why not just leave it there.
@@stevefoley4073 I'm not an idiot, I'm a professional pianist with a respectful curriculum, and I'm also a former professor at university level, with 4 different masters degree. I know precisely what I'm saying when I write "that phrasing sucks", and I can easily elaborate it. You, instead, can't accept that someone has an idea (or a taste) that is different from yours. Now, this is MY comment, not yours, so why can't you simply stop boring me with your primitive answers and just leave it there?
No professional pianist on earth would use phraseology like "his phrasing sucks" about someone like Sokolov , especially when it is superb phrasing. Enough of your juvenile nonsense - end of conversation.
I followed Grigory’s performances since he was 19 ( 3 yrs after winning Tchaikovsky competition). His perfect technical skills could blow away any pedant, but I was always disappointed by his artistic performances. Chopin sounded like he was exercising, without much emotion.
Grigory’s lack of emotional maturity hampered his interpretations, making them dry and colorless. Grigory had to share the same stage in StPetersburg and Moscow with such olympians, as Gilels, Rubinstein, Richter, - an immense challenge. But I knew, with time, he would become really accomplished master. And he did! His Chopin now is out of this world! He stands alone on Olympus, leaving even the most famous Chopin masters behind. Truly Grand master. I’m so happy for him, proud that I knew him, as a friend in my youth.
I can't really agree about the development of Sokolov musically. I don't like this performance much but it's quite ordinary and in normal taste. In later years I feel his eccentricity has gone off the charts. Often I just can't stand his playing. And he certainly plays much slower today than back then. It's a matter of taste, since I don't deny his pianistic mastery. However, I know I'm not the only one who just doesn't like his musicianship
@@marksmith3947 Absolutely !! Speed only shows technique, but there is no heart and soul!...
I hated. He is not a pianist... he is a gymnast. He destroyed the Study
@@claudiococchiaro6268 Guys, stop the crap, he was 17 yo here, and its absolutely fantastic, moreover when you know how incredible he became later. He is among the top 3 pianists alive today.
@@Paroles_et_Musique I second that.
Listen to Sokolov's playing of Rameau's Les Triolets and Chopin's "Ocean" Étude (op. 25 no 12). The man is a fusion sublime of technique and feeling-meaning.
What a talent, my God.
Yup.........he frightens me........!
Sokolov is Sokolov, his touching is unique….great pianist.
To play at this speed AND with such great nuance and artistry is simply unbelievable. Possibly the greatest recording of this etude ever made.
I wish I could here it
This young man is going to go places!
he definitely went places, he's old now
Phenomenal! How could they criticize his victory at Tchaikovsky competition?
Technical errors maybe. He is known to miss notes. But i do not care. Heared him live two times. Both recitals superb.
@@hsr.babY123 never heard any. I actually refer to the incident when people were throwing tomatoes into Gilels , bcs he was the head of the jury. In public opinion Misha Dichter was the wiener. After many years Gilels noted, nobody remembers today Dichter, but Sokolov is famous in the whole world.
@@privateprivate22 look at competitions today. It is kinda random who wins. Some choose the "best right now", others the ones with "potential". It is personal preference. I value them very little. Same with award shows in entertainment and sports.
@@hsr.babY123 it’s true for today, was little different yesterday.
Why sounds like running water to me.
Same here. It can't be a copyright issue 🤔
@@a.schier1830 now has sound 👌
@@jovialfaltisco548 no sound...
@jfpary7336 sounds come back my 2nd visit to this. Now no sound. So keep trying your luck 🙂
😂
A brilliant Musician, from birth
No one is a brilliant musician from birth.
@@kevinm6790 Chosen by God
Difficilissimi gli studi di chopin l'apice del pianoforte tutti i tentativi dopo falliscono
A freak,like trifonov❤❤❤❤❤😊😊😊😊🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩👏👏👏👏👍👍👍👍
Потрясающее зрелище! Юный Соколов! Пальчики порхают с удивительной точностью и цепкостью! Ещё бы послушать, совсем хорошо было бы!
Il était déjà incroyablement talentueux à ce si jeune âge.
même génial !
ENDLESS hours of practice...
To achieve such heights. Best sunshine I’ve ever heard
Even those aren't enough 😭 this is what endless practice AND heavenly talent together can produce...
In American English we have a crude but impactful saying, “what the hell just happened?!?”
Thank you for sharing.
if you're going to learn anything it has to be early, so no surprise to see fantastique technique at this age. what would really surprise would be a top pro who was ordinary at age 17. ever been one?
Supposedly Volodos didn't start taking the piano seriously until about 16 (he was training to be a conductor or something before that).
I think because you start at a young age you have dedicated your life basically. Makes you more likely to pursue this route. When you grow older there are more risks to take and technically one is independent at that time, meaning to make reasonable decisions to probably help themselves survive.
Как прекрасно. Нет, не только Шопен и Григорий Соколов. Это дело известное. А вот эта встреча - с самим собой, через годы и годы. И видно, что маэстро не разочарован. Он подает своей молодости руку, этому 17-летнему молодому человеку, играющему Шопена.
It is running a half-step sharp.
drive.google.com/file/d/1mGShZrR8homy8givV5LSzij7_DW7QRLb/view?usp=drive_link Pitch is correct here
Perfection!
I wonder what the older Sokolov thinks of the younger Sokolov's playing?
It was so fun to see Sokolov as a young man! The audio did not adequately capture the left hand melodic line, but his ambition to be great is much in evidence!
Beautifully lubricated arpeggios. But the left hand has the tune. Where is it?
It’s mighty fast, and it’s sounding in F-Sharp Major, not F Major. Perhaps there was a copyright issue. At any rate, even if slowed down to the proper key, it would still be a very, very quick Allegro.
😎🎹
🌺🇧🇷👏👏BRAVÍSSIMO 👏👏🇧🇷🌺
The clarity is stunning ! But I feel tempo and such classical clipped passage work reminds one this music was written in the 1late 1820's so the pig Steinway sound and later ideas of lushness in Chopin don't fit. It should prob sound like this on an Erard or Pleyel but Steinways make everything better with their deep keyboard beds that get more variable sound !
Sensacional
НЕТ ЗВУКА ??? ??? ???
This isn't at the correct pitch so I'm assuming the video has been speeded up. This etude is meant to be in F major, but sounds F# major. I still think Sokolov is a phenomenal pianist, but the original of this video would not have been this fast
I don't think so, the pitch shifting upward happens quite often in old recordings.
Какая виртуозная игра!
So focused on one thing in youth robs the interpreter of the pool of experiences the composer used for inspiration. Ambition near talent rarely serves the artist.
WOWOWOWOW!!!
Not to diminish the absolutely impressive performance, but it should be noted that this is pitched higher than F major, meaning that the recording is slightly sped up.
Nononono! The piano is most likely tuned differently. Listen to Stanislav Nehaus Play the Chopin Ballade no. 4, you will notice the pitch is higher.
@@underscorde1976 I have never heard of the practice of tuning almost a half step high, I don't think it's tuned that way. It's common for older recordings to be played back too quickly due to the technology of the time when it is transferred to digital. It should be the job of whoever is mastering the recording and syncing with audio to bring it back to A=440. Same with early recordings from many pianists that were recorded on LPs. It is sped up for sure
Brillante technique, mais exécution trop rapide à mon humble avis de mélomane ! Un jeu de virtuose certes , mais qui manque d'âme !! Par la suite , ses interprétations sont devenues de plus en plus subtiles, nuancées... Un immense pianiste actuel, d'une très grande sensibilité !! Un immense bravo à vous, M. SOKOLOV !!!!!👏👏👍👍👍
Agree completely with everything you wrote.
Exactement le même tempo que la version de référence de Maurizio Pollini...
Soit , si vous le dites ! Toujours est-il que pour moi, c'est joué trop vite !
Dommage que je ne puisse pas vous faire écouter ma propre interprétation ( sur piano ancien " KIKOUINE " !) C'est carrément RENVERSANT .....@@mariemichelgouar7084 face-blue-smiling @mariemichelgouar7084
C’est le tempo indiqué par Chopin dans la partition
К меня нет звука это 8 этюд?
wow😢
what happened to the audio ???
Тапер-машинистка-молотобоец...стакановц.. но кака ва зауряднасть незатейливасти...
Non si sente niente!!!😤😤😤
It's sped up by at least 0.2
As if speed was 1,25-1,5x
How different this purely “etude”, sports performance is from how the etudes of the twenty-fifth opus of the same Chopin will sound twenty years later! The very criteria for approaching works will change. Here a sketch is just a sketch, but in the future there will be a disidentification and Sokolov will begin to approach sketches as works of art that imply the seriousness of artistic expression, and not just exercises in virtuosity.
It’s a pity that leaving the brilliant recordings of the etudes Op. 25, Sokolov did not play the remaining fifteen etudes.
Oh for goodness sake! What pretentious semiotic rubbish! "disidentification"? Spare me! usa-ub1 is a pygmy squinting at a giant. Just go away please.
How are you gues hearing anything? Sounds like alien's talking
nIce
Где звук?
звучит правдоподобно для всех, но не для тебя? Интересный случай :-)
Звука нет, зачем это здесь размещено
🤒😵💫😵
No audio at all
No sound
Странный звук...?
Not sound
Mamma Mia! I don't think that Chopin himself could have played at the 1,000 horsepower of Sokolov at his prime. This is what Liszt would have sounded like if he had a strong enough and responsive enough concert grand to bash apart. Frankly, the speed is hideous and unreproducible except for a small handful of artists. I think that he's showing off and the overall piece has little artistic merit. It has a huge amount of technique and sheer power and prowess.
Something dodgy with the sound
meaningless
Absolutely, nothing is said here.
No. No care for the left hand line. No finesse of phrasing. Just an automatic weapon loaded with semiquavers. Very boring.
If you can't hear the phrasing, you need to go to a Specsavers Hearing Centre.
@@stevefoley4073 I can hear that phrasing, actually, but it sucks (at least to me). Don't get angry, I'm simply saying that the great musician is yet to come.
I'm not in any way angry, just in despair at idiots on UA-cam pretending they have knowledge of a subject. This phrasing is first class - world class - especially with a fast piece like this. You are clearly clueless, so why not just leave it there.
@@stevefoley4073 I'm not an idiot, I'm a professional pianist with a respectful curriculum, and I'm also a former professor at university level, with 4 different masters degree. I know precisely what I'm saying when I write "that phrasing sucks", and I can easily elaborate it. You, instead, can't accept that someone has an idea (or a taste) that is different from yours. Now, this is MY comment, not yours, so why can't you simply stop boring me with your primitive answers and just leave it there?
No professional pianist on earth would use phraseology like "his phrasing sucks" about someone like Sokolov , especially when it is superb phrasing. Enough of your juvenile nonsense - end of conversation.
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