I eventually went the anamorphic route, it has it's own flaws which you might like or not, is a little quirky to use and compose, without a monitor but you get used to it. For posting them on instagram I just make a quick triptych on photoshop.
Hi Chris, creator of the 65x24 app here - thanks for the shout out! I’m still working on the app and would love to hear any feedback or feature request the community might have! Awesome video, glad to see there are so many other Xpan format lovers :)
@@vermontmike9800 there are a few pro camera apps that have 65:24 as an aspect ratio setting. The issue I found with all of them is that either they squeeze the viewfinder into a space meant for 4:3, which makes it too small; or they have to fit the panoramic viewfinder within their UI built around a 4:3 aspect ratio, which means it gets cluttered with controls. I wanted a shooting experience with as large of a 65:24 viewfinder as possible, completely uncluttered from controls (because when you're shooting panoramic compositions, you really want to pay attention to the edges of your frame). This is what lead me to create an app dedicated to 65:24 capture, the first of its kind as far as I can tell.
This is one of my favorite things about moving from the a7IV to the a7cII. For the crops, I find it’s much faster to do it in LR on my Mac, just crop one and apply all. It’s done in a few seconds. Everything gets washed through the Mac for storage so for me it’s more efficient to just do it all in one place. Cheers. 🍻
@@one901 * Select the Crop tool * Click on “Original” or whatever is next to the padlock icon for you * Choose “Enter Custom” from the drop down menu * Enter the values of 2.35 and 1 in the pop up window. Boom. 2.35:1 crop in Lightroom. And it saves the custom ratios you create for future easy use.
Love how more cameras are adopting the 65:24 aspect ratio and more people are discovering it digitally. I made a video on this and specifically the Fuji GFX 50R earlier this year
In Lightroom (classic) you can create a custom 2.35:1 crop in the Crop & Straighten tool that will be saved automatically as a custom crop option. If you just type in the ratio for the custom crop, it will be centered in the frame - this is exactly where the Sony markers are too, so no need to refer back to the camera image to see where the crop is, it will always match. After you crop one image, you can select all your other images and Sync just the crop. Batch done.
Nice video. You may have said this without me noticing, but the XPAN 65:24 crop is about 2.7:1, which is different from the Sony crop you mentioned of 2.35:1.
The GFX 50R is the only camera I have (and I have owned several different cameras over the years) that I know I won't be selling, ever. Best experience and amazing colors and image quality.
Have my GFX 50R in the mail for this very reason. I wanted to slow down with my shooting and the GFX is the perfect choice just because it’s the XPan mode.
Fantastic guide to digital Xpan ... and the new angle looks great Chris. 👌 Xpan has to be one of my favourite aspect ratios and it is great to finally see Sony introducing it... looks like I might have to upgrade my A7C soon. Keep up the fantastic work dude. 👍
Hi @ChrisBrockhurst! I just wanted to say thank you so much for shedding more light on this. Your initial video with the A7CII brought me down the rabbit hole for X-Pan previewing as well. As an A7IV user I get a little frustrated with not being able to have such a useful previewing tool that can so easily be added with a software update. Sony's reluctance to push this to multiple camera models is a point of improvement for sure. This video is so comprehensive and incredibly valuable. It has been difficult to find UA-cam videos showing the full range of camera systems/phone apps that can display such a wonderful aspect ratio. If more camera's had both 2:35.1 and 65:24 aspect ratios this would be wonderful. Side Note: Your new setup and lighting looks fantastic! Beautiful interplay with the light and shadow. That sunset/amber lighting looks great :)
@@chrisbrockhurst No problem! :) I have been a long time subscriber to your channel and think you are the best creator on this platform. Not only from the quality of your videos, but on the way you present the information. It is very hands on and easy to digest. Thank you for your time in sharing such a wealth of knowledge. Your set change and lighting works incredibly well with the ambient song choice as well. It does a great job of making me focus in more. I found myself being both intrigued and excited to hear what was coming next.
I just watched a similar video on this channel from a year ago. Left basically the same comment, but my own comment proved why SONY will never bring it to the older bodies. Features like this make us want to upgrade. I’m positive it will be on the A7V.
I dislike my S5 II , was thinking of selling it. This may just turn the tides , did not know it can do it! that's cool! I'll play with it soon , thanks!
@@daniellrodriguezs As a stills Camera feels very meh... The Raw color science , is kinda weired. The UI is good for video but for stills , it's confusing. The ergonomics are off, Canon / Nikon have it much better. But the internal fan , the shutter angle and open-gate , and the rest of it's video capabilities have me keeping it, but now that I know it can shoot XPan , I'll give it a shot for stills again
I started messing around with the markers with the a7cii because of seeing the video that you showed you could do! I wish my a7iv and a7siii could've done it, but oh well haha just finished filming a pov street photography style video doing this crop style. I've noticed you can crop the jpeg in the camera in the playback menu and then going to the edit section and hit crop and having applied with using those "sony film simulations" in camera and it'll crop the camera in camera saving it as a jpeg cropped! It's quite nice to do so!
@@chrisbrockhurst I haven’t found a way to batch, but I tend to do it almost after taking the photo out of habit so it’s fresh in mind and then that way it’s done for when I save things on my computer. It’s set up rather fast now for me and works nicely!
I shoot on Sony too, but also have a Fujifilm GFX 50r that offers the ‘xpan’ aspect ratio 65:24. On the 50r, the jpgs get save with the crop, but the RAWs are saved full frame. So if you chose to shoot JPG+RAW, then import into Capture One (I don’t know about Lightroom, but I assume it will be similar), then you have the JPG how you took the image (including any film sims applied), but you also have the Full RAW, so if you feel you need to slightly recompose, you have that flexibility. I really enjoy shooting with the 50R, it’s my favourite camera - unless I feel I need good AF.
So how can we do this on the Sony A74?? Is there a way to mimic the xpan look using LR or PS?? I don’t want to buy any more cameras or lenses but I would love to try this!!!
Interesting Video Chris. Would there be any benefit in shooting stills of this ‘style’ with an anamorphic lens? Therefore less cropping and more ‘in camera’ for me shooting on my Sony A7iv…
Hey..there are Fuji rumors of an X-Pan model being considered in the works...maybe if its anything like the original Fuji TX-1!..that would be great!....if there are people that support this style and niche look..than by all means Fuji should release a true "digital XPan" camera for the XPan enthusiast..that would definitely be cool!..also a rumored fixed lens GFX coming!..if its anything like a 50R body then that would be amazing as well!..
I’d love to see LUTs come to my A7Cii but I think that’s unlikely. However, exporting the cropped jpeg would be welcome and surely can’t be too hard for Sony to do?
Does the XPan crop mode on the S5II work with the handheld high resolution mode? 24MP cropped to 65:24 gives a 13.6MP file. If it can shoot with high resolution mode, it should make a 54.4MP cropped file from the 96MP full size image.
On the launch of the Lumix a9 Everybody was shooting 65:24 so I bought an A9 and the menu shows 65:24 but as nobody could show me how to export to and edit on FCP the camera went back?!!!
Are you sure any import will remove the crop? I seem to recall shooting a few hundred photos earlier this year in Death Valley on the A7Cr and being very annoyed to get home and find it had shot them all with the 16:9 markers. Had to go photo by photo in Lightroom to remove the crop.
I want to save a picture profile on the a7cr for black & white/monochrome street photography with the 2.35:1 aspect ratio. Anyone know if I can save the aspect along with the other settings or does it have to be selected every time?
@@chrisbrockhurst my heart would drop , i would actually think of forgiving fuji af if it released simply due to the fov afforded by the almost 3:1 ratio
I eventually went the anamorphic route, it has it's own flaws which you might like or not, is a little quirky to use and compose, without a monitor but you get used to it. For posting them on instagram I just make a quick triptych on photoshop.
Hi Chris, creator of the 65x24 app here - thanks for the shout out!
I’m still working on the app and would love to hear any feedback or feature request the community might have!
Awesome video, glad to see there are so many other Xpan format lovers :)
Small world!!! It’s a solid app, keep up the good work
is there an Android version of the app? I couldn't find it in Google playstore
@@changhuang1018 currently iOS only but would love to bring it to android at some point, stay tuned!
There are a few apps that already do this.
@@vermontmike9800 there are a few pro camera apps that have 65:24 as an aspect ratio setting. The issue I found with all of them is that either they squeeze the viewfinder into a space meant for 4:3, which makes it too small; or they have to fit the panoramic viewfinder within their UI built around a 4:3 aspect ratio, which means it gets cluttered with controls.
I wanted a shooting experience with as large of a 65:24 viewfinder as possible, completely uncluttered from controls (because when you're shooting panoramic compositions, you really want to pay attention to the edges of your frame). This is what lead me to create an app dedicated to 65:24 capture, the first of its kind as far as I can tell.
This is one of my favorite things about moving from the a7IV to the a7cII. For the crops, I find it’s much faster to do it in LR on my Mac, just crop one and apply all. It’s done in a few seconds. Everything gets washed through the Mac for storage so for me it’s more efficient to just do it all in one place. Cheers. 🍻
Is there a 2.35:1 crop option in LR? I can’t find it
@@one901
* Select the Crop tool
* Click on “Original” or whatever is next to the padlock icon for you
* Choose “Enter Custom” from the drop down menu
* Enter the values of 2.35 and 1 in the pop up window.
Boom. 2.35:1 crop in Lightroom. And it saves the custom ratios you create for future easy use.
Love how more cameras are adopting the 65:24 aspect ratio and more people are discovering it digitally. I made a video on this and specifically the Fuji GFX 50R earlier this year
Your videos just keep getting better and better in quality Chris, loved the last couple
Appreciate you 🙏🏼
Welcome to the new angle, were slowing it down
So many banger shots!!! And this talking head setup!!!!!
Cheers fella
In Lightroom (classic) you can create a custom 2.35:1 crop in the Crop & Straighten tool that will be saved automatically as a custom crop option. If you just type in the ratio for the custom crop, it will be centered in the frame - this is exactly where the Sony markers are too, so no need to refer back to the camera image to see where the crop is, it will always match. After you crop one image, you can select all your other images and Sync just the crop. Batch done.
Nice video. You may have said this without me noticing, but the XPAN 65:24 crop is about 2.7:1, which is different from the Sony crop you mentioned of 2.35:1.
production quality of this is incredible mate
Appreciate you 🙏🏼
The GFX 50R is the only camera I have (and I have owned several different cameras over the years) that I know I won't be selling, ever. Best experience and amazing colors and image quality.
Only had mine a month but I fully concur
Have my GFX 50R in the mail for this very reason. I wanted to slow down with my shooting and the GFX is the perfect choice just because it’s the XPan mode.
Fantastic guide to digital Xpan ... and the new angle looks great Chris. 👌
Xpan has to be one of my favourite aspect ratios and it is great to finally see Sony introducing it... looks like I might have to upgrade my A7C soon.
Keep up the fantastic work dude. 👍
i never hear it mentioned but the sprocket rocket is a reusable film camera, basically disposable style but you can reload, and it shoots xpan ratio
Yeh I have one and tried it, it’s not bad. One problem is finding a film lab that’ll expose it correctly though
Super super interesting content and video. Thanks Chris!
Love your channel. You always create great work and pack a ton of useful information , Thank you.
Appreciate you 🙏🏼
Hi @ChrisBrockhurst!
I just wanted to say thank you so much for shedding more light on this. Your initial video with the A7CII brought me down the rabbit hole for X-Pan previewing as well. As an A7IV user I get a little frustrated with not being able to have such a useful previewing tool that can so easily be added with a software update. Sony's reluctance to push this to multiple camera models is a point of improvement for sure.
This video is so comprehensive and incredibly valuable. It has been difficult to find UA-cam videos showing the full range of camera systems/phone apps that can display such a wonderful aspect ratio. If more camera's had both 2:35.1 and 65:24 aspect ratios this would be wonderful.
Side Note: Your new setup and lighting looks fantastic! Beautiful interplay with the light and shadow. That sunset/amber lighting looks great :)
Thanks for watching and appreciating the lighting. I’m trying to get better at this!
@@chrisbrockhurst No problem! :) I have been a long time subscriber to your channel and think you are the best creator on this platform. Not only from the quality of your videos, but on the way you present the information. It is very hands on and easy to digest. Thank you for your time in sharing such a wealth of knowledge.
Your set change and lighting works incredibly well with the ambient song choice as well. It does a great job of making me focus in more. I found myself being both intrigued and excited to hear what was coming next.
I don't understand how this is not an option for older Sony models like the a7iv. I hate Sonys firmware policy.
Fingers crossed we get it
Seriously! My A7rv has all the these pixels but I don’t always want these pixels 😭
I just watched a similar video on this channel from a year ago. Left basically the same comment, but my own comment proved why SONY will never bring it to the older bodies. Features like this make us want to upgrade. I’m positive it will be on the A7V.
I dislike my S5 II , was thinking of selling it.
This may just turn the tides , did not know it can do it! that's cool! I'll play with it soon , thanks!
Ooooo good luck
What you did not like about it?
@@daniellrodriguezs As a stills Camera feels very meh...
The Raw color science , is kinda weired.
The UI is good for video but for stills , it's confusing.
The ergonomics are off, Canon / Nikon have it much better.
But the internal fan , the shutter angle and open-gate , and the rest of it's video capabilities have me keeping it, but now that I know it can shoot XPan , I'll give it a shot for stills again
Many thanks Chris.
I started messing around with the markers with the a7cii because of seeing the video that you showed you could do! I wish my a7iv and a7siii could've done it, but oh well haha just finished filming a pov street photography style video doing this crop style. I've noticed you can crop the jpeg in the camera in the playback menu and then going to the edit section and hit crop and having applied with using those "sony film simulations" in camera and it'll crop the camera in camera saving it as a jpeg cropped! It's quite nice to do so!
Yeh I’ve heard a few people say this. I think the issue is having to do them individually is very time consuming. Have you found a way to batch?
@@chrisbrockhurst I haven’t found a way to batch, but I tend to do it almost after taking the photo out of habit so it’s fresh in mind and then that way it’s done for when I save things on my computer. It’s set up rather fast now for me and works nicely!
I shoot on Sony too, but also have a Fujifilm GFX 50r that offers the ‘xpan’ aspect ratio 65:24. On the 50r, the jpgs get save with the crop, but the RAWs are saved full frame. So if you chose to shoot JPG+RAW, then import into Capture One (I don’t know about Lightroom, but I assume it will be similar), then you have the JPG how you took the image (including any film sims applied), but you also have the Full RAW, so if you feel you need to slightly recompose, you have that flexibility.
I really enjoy shooting with the 50R, it’s my favourite camera - unless I feel I need good AF.
Thanks so much for the video men 🙏🏾
I believe sigma fp does the aspect ration as well!
Sigma SD Quattro selectable
aspect ratios right down to 21:9 and i so advise
i love my A7C II
So how can we do this on the Sony A74?? Is there a way to mimic the xpan look using LR or PS?? I don’t want to buy any more cameras or lenses but I would love to try this!!!
Dazz cam app is cheaper and it also can shoot pro raw xpan ratio
Interesting Video Chris. Would there be any benefit in shooting stills of this ‘style’ with an anamorphic lens? Therefore less cropping and more ‘in camera’ for me shooting on my Sony A7iv…
It’s something I’m going to try so stay tuned
Hey..there are Fuji rumors of an X-Pan model being considered in the works...maybe if its anything like the original Fuji TX-1!..that would be great!....if there are people that support this style and niche look..than by all means Fuji should release a true "digital XPan" camera for the XPan enthusiast..that would definitely be cool!..also a rumored fixed lens GFX coming!..if its anything like a 50R body then that would be amazing as well!..
I’d love to see LUTs come to my A7Cii but I think that’s unlikely. However, exporting the cropped jpeg would be welcome and surely can’t be too hard for Sony to do?
SONY please update the A7RV with this feature!!! Your firmware updates are a joke 😪
Chris, loving the new background and lighting set-up, looks 🔥
VERY Rookie quesion.. I'm adding on lightroom the 65:24 aspect ration and turns it to 6,5:2,4. is that the same?
Does the XPan crop mode on the S5II work with the handheld high resolution mode? 24MP cropped to 65:24 gives a 13.6MP file. If it can shoot with high resolution mode, it should make a 54.4MP cropped file from the 96MP full size image.
Great question and I’m not sure, will have to get back to you. I haven’t been playing too much attention to the MP
On the launch of the Lumix a9 Everybody was shooting 65:24 so I bought an A9 and the menu shows 65:24 but as nobody could show me how to export to and edit on FCP the camera went back?!!!
Yeah!
@ChrisBrockhurst this video it's massive professional grow as content-author's and creator! Thanks for that work!
😍
Are you sure any import will remove the crop? I seem to recall shooting a few hundred photos earlier this year in Death Valley on the A7Cr and being very annoyed to get home and find it had shot them all with the 16:9 markers. Had to go photo by photo in Lightroom to remove the crop.
Lightroom mobile to be more specific. Maybe Lightroom Classic doesn’t keep them?
I had no idea that my A7CII can do this! How do you print? Do you print them with the white border?
Not great for printing you need to cut
I want to save a picture profile on the a7cr for black & white/monochrome street photography with the 2.35:1 aspect ratio. Anyone know if I can save the aspect along with the other settings or does it have to be selected every time?
I like doing it in camera on a7cii I just hate I have to go one by one in the crop menu to crop. 1st world problem
It sucks that zve1 cant do this in photo mode.
can it be done with Lumix s5iix
As mentioned
fuji is not listening .... jonas rask is asking for 65:24 aspect ratio within the APSC range
Mannn , i thought a new xpan was launched with the title
Ouffff can you imagine
@@chrisbrockhurst my heart would drop , i would actually think of forgiving fuji af if it released simply due to the fov afforded by the almost 3:1 ratio
2:1 is already crazy for the instagram era, 2.7:1 is literally stretching it too much lol
I'd only shoot wide format if there were places to post them
Why not just shoot stuff for fun or for yourself? A lot of my own photos will never see IG!
HASSELBLAD
What is "cinematic"?
GFX looks more like an xpro body….
Yeh sort of!
actually looks more like an X-E body
@@alozor13no….too big….
@@martinpickard5818 gfx 50r looks exactly like a Fuji XE-3 ... But bigger... Xpro has a window for hybrid VF