Luna and Cloak can DPS to an extent though. Luna freezes with a snowball and gets an easy kill and Ice Arts does decent damage as well. And Dagger is a healbot, but that's what Cloak is for. To add a little extra DPS
As a rocket main, if I stop healing dr strange dies and the team falls apart because the other healer is cloak and dagger and he has 26 kills so you can see were his focus is at.
And you’re in the right. Your cloak is throwing, because at the end of the day our main role is to support primarily. (80/20) heal first, everything else second.
If that's the case, then your C&Ds just have a skill issue. You should be able to cycle your cooldowns between the two and balance damage with healing. Be aware of where your team is, throw a bubble at someone you think is gonna need it within the next 3 seconds, swap to Cloak, blind, kill, swap back, heal the people who need it. It's constantly juggling, but a good C&D should be getting a lot of kills AND heals. In a good match, I can get 30k+ heals and a similar amount of kills as the tanks and dps, plus a couple dozen assists.
@@notlogan6482 you know what I've started playing rocket more aggressively when it's feasible and I've gone from gold 3 to gold 1 and it's been less than 24 hrs of applying that advise.
As a cloak and dagger main, I know that the reason they have high eliminations is because their attacks auto target, cloak’s M1 is a braindead Scarlet Witch M1, and eliminations count if you do any damage to someone dying. I get high kills and high heals often, but final hits don’t look nearly as big as eliminations for C&D but we get the blame for “focusing too much on DPS” when I’m doing chip damage by accident and using cloak when someone is almost dead, also C&D ult actually does damage
@@xxghastlytonerxx lmao I get so much dopamine when I'm on Dagger and focusing on healing, free firing daggers into the crowd during a team fight, and then I accidentally get a KO pop up cause a stray dagger locked on to the wrong person at the right time 😂
GM rocket main here. I would advise against being too aggressive on him. While you shouldn’t be a pure healbot, rockets biggest asset is his ability to stay alive. Ive lost plenty of matches by getting too aggressive and wanting to do more damage. It’s usually better to stay back and use your gun when part of an overall team push or for self defense. If you don’t have the lowest amount of deaths on your team you are playing rocket wrong. Stay alive, stay back, and reposition when things get hairy and you’ll win more games than you lose.
I'm only up to plat 1 but I've been doing the same and it's been working. I take the kills when they come to me, or unload a mag into a charging thor or venom to make him easier to finish off, or hell just to get him to fuck off. You have to be picky about when you get in trouble cause your mobility only goes to far and you are the juiciest target on the team. Also, never underestimate the power of wasting an enemies time.
Yes I agree, I should've elaborated on this more. Be aggressive at the RIGHT time, not at every single opportunity. Go for picks with high success rates and use mobility to get out at the first sign of trouble.
@@KermRiv Yes, make sure to be using what I like to call super dashes or trimp dashes instead of using 2 back to back dashes. you get so much more total distance with them if you want to get away or to somewhere quickly incase you start getting focused by them.
I cant understate how good of a tool Doom Match is for improving as Rocket. Not only developing the dm skills to confidently take 1v1s, but also learning to use your movement to its fullest to avoid nad situations or just bait duelists into wasting cooldowns so they're easy picks.
Earlier when i was playing Rocket my team got mad at me for mowing down a Thor who was right infront of me instead of healing. I can kind of get why Rocket players feel the need to healbot.
if your team is dying right next to you you can try pressing mouse 2 once or twice then go back to shredding. I would need to know more about the exact situation to help but i feel u.
that's not the reason the reason you got flamed is because they lost at least one teammate because you stopped healing. if you had just killed the Thor they wouldn't even have noticed.
I feel what you are saying. In a perfect world, you'd be 100% correct. In reality, unless you REALLY want to leave it to (even more chance) in solo queue, support players in general (not just Rocket) don't have a (viable) option to NOT heal bot due to most teammates not being able to take care of themselves for more than 5 seconds at a time.
I mean, not really. Luna Snow has piercing, so does Invisible Woman, Loki does splash damage for damage and healing. Healbotting is almost always the worst option because it forces your team to pick up the slack that you aren't taking advantage of, likely while the enemy Strategists are. Basically, if you're a no damage Rocket, your team is already at a 5v6 in DPS. If your other healer isn't outputting damage, chances are neither of you will be able to out-heal the burst damage that is coming in from the enemy. Every Strategist in this game is designed to focus on a mix of offense and defense, the aforementioned pierce attacks, or Jeff the Shark and Rocket ult. There are times where you need burst healing, but there's also times where you cannot out heal burst. The only way to counter that is to eliminate their sources of damage. A no damage Rocket will never accomplish that counterplay, while a Luna Snow only has to press Shift and then you can make a pick while still healing a teammate. A GOOD Rocket will do exactly what was described here in the video - send out a healing orb to 1 person, they are being healed, you are doing damage, the healing runs out and you repeat the process. Quicker time to kill, Rocket is supporting the team, and your teammate got the exact same amount of healing meaning you're back to healing more teammates sooner.
@ Rocket only puts out 70hp/s, less than every burst hero in the game, and 1 character can only be healed by 1 orb at a time. Your whole team died because you refused to fire your gun while your team was dying, thinking that 8 orbs actually do something instead of flying off into nowhere because the other 4 are already healing your teammates, giving you ~5 seconds of downtime TO SHOOT THE PEOPLE KILLING YOUR TEAM. Did you know that Rocket's orbs do not stack? If you did, what are you doing with that downtime? Because I can guarantee that if you are just waiting or pumping out more orbs, you aren't helping your team, you are putting them at a 5v6 in damage. From a distance (20m) Rocket's 40% falloff is STILL 77DPS -- that's 1.8 more than Cloak. Within 10m Rocket does 192DPS. This means that you CAN make picks. You CAN help your team without being a healbot who unbound their primary fire. If your team isn't composed around a 5v6, you're going to struggle. If you refuse to help your team in damage, you are going to struggle as a player. Rocket can 1v1 and win easily, but so many of you just run away and then act high and mighty when you're 0/0/12 with 35k healing and 0 to 648 damage after a loss. You have literal good players telling you how to succeed and then you come at me with this? Take a look at yourself in the mirror, I'm trying to help you.
to people interested: only do this if your teammates aren't complete buffoons. If you're still in a rank where your teammates keep over extending a lot, focus on healing. But the moment you see that your teammates are stable with the moderate healing you're sending them then you start shooting. an easy vibe check: if at least 1 or 2 other teammates are comming correctly and your tank(s) are steadily taking space and your DPS aren't dropping like flies the moment you look away, you can shoot. (this start to happen around mid plat)
When I play Rocket, I pump out the healing as much as possible. Taking out the other team is secondary to keeping my team alive so they can take them out. I only go for kills if one of them has me backed into a corner or if my team is pushing forward.
Bro called this a rant but it still felt really informative. I've been slowly incorporating movement and shooting into my Rocket gameplay but not once did I think Iron man or Hela ult was something to chase and shoot. I mean I would shoot at them but to climb up and dash to them is a whole new thing I didn't know about. Really good video man. I believed in Rocket since the start and this help reassure my belief and elevate gameplay. Bout to make my ranked climb much easier as healer if I can't use duelist to help the team comp.
Honestly goated opinion. So many grandmaster UA-camrs just write off Rocket as mid because of his ult and lack of healing. So many of them have internalized that Rocket is just a heal bot and you shouldn’t learn him because the meta is “shake booty for 12 seconds” and chain it 3 times. Rocket is so much different than the other strategists that people think he sucks.
Ok do - ooosh. Yeah, rocket can beat many DPS if they can aim within 10mt. The problem arises when people complain about HEALING, their, arguably truthful, primary duty. If YOU cannot kill enemies with non-stop rocket heals, that's your problem. When a rocket stops healing for three seconds to unload a volley and reload, that's a team wipe with many of you losers. Stop complaining and actually hit your shots.
As a fellow Rocket enjoyer I have to say the biggest thing for trying to do more fighting mentally is DON’T worry about damage numbers, you can do a lot but really you just need to do a little. 100 here or there to overcome healing will go a long way so even if you still have low damage numbers you’re still doing a lot of those interactions led to more kills
Amen brother, I'm out here trying to ricochet my heals in a way that provides constant heals while also trying to take out stragglers and aggressives. Then the mfs push way further than they should only to die, people not hitting their shots and staying still so my heals dont even matter.
Even at 20m rocket does 77DPS, only a 40% falloff. That's still more than Cloaks primary attack (70dps) and Daggers 18dps. The difference is that Cloak can lay a healing bubble and self heal, Rocket has to be much more strategic.
Saying this all the time, every support needs to get picks if they want to rank. Jeff is the same, flank and kill due to survivability. Rocket, if ever theres a 1v1 the moment your opponent is half yealth dive them. They think he has 5 seconds to live, nope he has 2 seconds and now he's dead. Hit GM mostly playing him
For me, my teammates are just buns and they blame the lowest tier character on the team, me because I play Rocket. It’s stupid because one time I was 22-5-31 with over 55k healing. I almost had the most amount of kills, but I also was the second person with the most amount of healing and I had the most amount of assists. What does my team say about the work I put in? “I’m tired of one trick rockets selling my game” we had a Luna snow and Cloak and Dagger on the team and I did better than both of them combined. The most stupidest part is that we won and they still complained. It makes no sense to me why people flame on me even though I’m the one carrying when it comes to heals and assists. Once you hit GM, you’re going to be the one to blame if your team loses, only because your ultimate doesn’t make your team invincible for 7 seconds.
I love playing rocket he's so fun, I've been put down for only playing rocket because of "no skill". Stay strong rockets mains 💪, they just don't get it 😢.
"invincibility" ults are overrated in my personal opinion (But that's because im a rocket main) having one is necessary tho. People don't realize you can just healbot and wait them out a lot of the time. Ill switch off a character like luna snow sometimes to rocket and it genuinely feels like i completely change the game. Invincibility ults feel bad to play against, but that doesn't mean theyre effective a lot of the time, they just FEEL annoying.
@@notlogan6482 They also feel reaaaally good to be in em,thats a factor too.Anyway my stance is 3 strategist meta is bs and a good non 3 strat comb can beat it easily,as you said, wait em out.
also can i also add to the rocket skillgap is knowing the maps, but knowing them in a much more intimate way than other people might, so that you can heal people around sets of corners. now you might think, trying to heal around corners means you’re not shooting people, right? Wrong! you learn to heal around corners so you can support your team or other flanker while you yourself are on a flank
I can’t tell you how often I try to bounce my heals off walls to heal my overextended or super pushed up team. It’s something I had to learn to do on the fly because they’re so often just humping the enemy spawn that I can never get them to back off unless I just stop healing them
This right here is why rocket is kinda underrated. He can straight up heal from the other side of the planet if he feels like. If you're running a two dive comp (for some god forsaken reason) he's pretty much a necessity.
@@notlogan6482 see as much as 2 dive is fun, can i propose: 3 dive. you go 3 or 4 healers, those being jeff, rocket, and then 1-2 of adam sue luna cloak mantis. the other slots are a tank (probably venom) and 1-2 dive dps (i’ve played with dive/poke like star lord psylocke punisher, but true dive like bp spidey or wolverine probably works too) you basically just have the main healer and tank exist, then the jeff and rocket can just go play as duelist, while still doing their healer job. i’ve ran it with friends before and it works really well, since the dive pressure basically never goes away, since they just get pocket healed the whole time
The problem ive seen recently that if you dont play a support that has an inviciblility ult you already deemed a throw even if you prove that you provided for your team.
the thing I hate with rocket, is EVERYONE says rocket isn't supposed to be doing damage, which why did they give him a fucking gun????? Beyond that, why does that gun fucking MELT within its effective range and have headshot crit if you aren't supposed to do damage? I literally tested in in training mode, but when I went for headshots I was able to kill hulk and banner, WITH 18 BULLES LEFT AFTER........ what are people doing? genuinely
@@notlogan6482 I guess so, I definitely am not afraid to take a fight on rocket, and sometimes it goes well, other times, skill issue, but you opened my eyes to the things he could do with his movement, and I was up till like 5am just running around in the range, trying to see all the ways I could navigate areas that I hadn't tried yet and OH MY GOD I love this character even more now
People fail to recognize that dealing damage with Rocket that doesn't resort in kills is just feeding Ult to healers. If you're doing DPS with him you might as well play an actual DPS he's not meant to be a flanker/killer he's meant to be Healer that can resist dive. And yes he has the worse damage of any Strategist outside of a controlled environment, yeah he can do a lot of damage if the person is stationary but that's not going to happen every single team fight.
@notlogan6482 Yeah I get what you mean, I think it's harder for Rocket players to do damage on console because of how imprecise the thumbstick is. If I'm not getting headshots with him every time the enemy just escapes because of the dumb projectile speed Rocket has. So I really only ever bother shooting my guns at tanks or people under half health, on console it's ridiculous trying to hit Dagger/Mantis with it.
I genuinely thought rocket was more of a defensive hero with escape tools at first, but I also just started playing the game over a week ago. I don't care how much practice it takes, I will turn into the most annoying pesterfest ever after seeing this video.
One thing I will say when I play as rocket I try to shoot and heal which probably doesn’t work as well as just hunting them down. But when I play as a strategist I try not to attack by myself. Which is like the opposite of what you do. And I’m trying to main rocket so thanks for letting me know how to get gud. 🙏 Doom match here I come lol.
Don't always go alone, taking a 2 v 1 is always better than a 1 v 1. But if you are confident and you know they're low hp or alone and vulnerable try and go for it!
Tale as old as time. People generally don't understand how tank and support roles work. But instead of trying to see the potential, they judge and project. This happens in every competitive game, but it always gets the most intoxicating in team environments. Let the haters drown in their own acid
Lately, I've been trying to push to be more proactive on rocket, but I stop healing for one moment, and the team is dying, and I'm usually on a team with either a cloak or a mantis. I try to take out an ank or a squid that they're not aware of and then they start dying after I look away for a split second.
Yeah, as someone who loves Rocket Raccoon, I make sure to not only heal my team, but to actually get kills by supporting my team in more aspects than on. I was talking to my homie about this the other day. Telling him I'm a very proactive Rocekt player. Im healing mlst of the time, obviously because that's my role. However, I'm also actively participating in gun fights and securing the win. I've beaten so many characters in 1 v 1's. If people can aim with Rocket Raccoon at close range, he can shred most characters, and with his ridiculous mobility, you essentially have a Spider-Man with a gun, lol. So yeah, I'm not a press heal all game, ever game and refuse to shoot, nope! I will engage in gun fights and always make sure to have a good amount of kills and some of the least deaths in lobbies, especially as a Support, because if I'm dead, I can't "Support" my team. Anyways, love the video!! 💯
You really think Rocket has more mobility than Spider-man? No one can match him when it comes to travel speed. Rocket's boost and wallcrawl makes him very mobile but don't forget that Spider-man can wall run too. Granted Rocket is more hard to hit because of his size. If you're good at using his escape kits an Enemy will have a hard time killing him. I find myself using Rocket if I go healer but my lack of map awareness prevents me from using him at his full potential :(
Nah I was just spouting some random words since I didn't have a script to work off of. (I corrected it on the text in that section of the vid) His movement isn't as good but I'm willing to bet money that it's among the top 3 in the game.
The reason people play rocket the way they do is because Rockets damage drop off is horrible. And you provide your team more value by not dying and keeping your BRB active. That's why I plan my aggression around BRB going into cool down. And focus on taking out deployables from safe angles when it's active. That way my team can focus on getting picks.
Yeah man it’s crazy how many people miss use rocket but if had to guess it’s cause it counter intuitive cause you got some of the best range heals but some of the worst range fall of making you think the gun sucks so newer rockets just stick to what they see is working
When I first choose this character in season 0, my first thought was like “why did they give him actual dmg?” And then proceeded to have fun being a machine gun maniac on Groot
People that start playing him tend to do too much of either at first. But with the more experience you have on him, the more you’ll be able to find his balance from game to game.
With how slowly the bullets move and how most of his skills are meant for teamplay or escaping danger, most people probably instinctively try to play him as a full-on Strategist meant to be stick to cover and survive, it doesn't help that pretty much every other person in the Strategist category is more or less meant to be a healbot the team protects so the expectations are already set when one character is designed to play differently To sell the idea that he's more of an off-Strategist, someone you pick for the utility and damage potential than just the team medic, i wouldn't mind see him either get a bigger magazine size so he doesn't have to reload as much in a fight, or a bullet velocity increase that keeps the same intense damage fall-off to sell the idea to players that Rocket's a killer if you can sneak yourself in range for a pick against a small and nimble target instead of trying to poke Vanguards all day. Just one or the other, but not both, having both of those buffs at the same time sounds busted to me Personally I lean more towards the magazine size buff since increasing Rockets bullet velocity too far also happens to increase his accuracy and effective range since bullets will have a tighter spread because they're moving faster before spread takes hold, nudging him into Duelist territory, while giving him an extra 10 or 15 or so shots before reloading just makes going for a 1v1 more forgiving if the chance for a pick against a flanker shows up
@@notlogan6482 Yeah the more i thought about it the more it seemed like it'd be a balancing headache where you gotta increase the spread to compensate for the faster bullets, but then the DPS might be too high on a Strategist, etc. etc. A bigger mag would be appreciated, more breathing room for players learning the ropes on a One Star character but still just enough for it to be viable for 1 pick til you gotta reload
Honestly if i was an aggressive rocket, id just pick mantis instead 😂. Rocket is the best hero to kill first because his revive beacon gets deleted. Im diamond 💎
Sometimes you have to hold m2, it just comes with the role. I'm just trying to get people to see that he can do aggro from time to time. Hope you enjoyed the vid!
When I first started playing Rivals, I had no idea that "stratagist" was the healer class, and the first stratagist I gravitated towards was Rocket. I was the antiphasis of your rant. I would dash into people's faces, and shred them, after throwing my pack down behind cover. When I learned about his heal, my play style barely changed. I just mash M2 when I'm not throwing lead down range, and dive with my dive tanks and assassin DPS. I just throw an orb out here or there while I help my allies burn them down. My friends still meme on me to this day for not knowing about his heal for the first 3 days I played, but they love having me play a dive rocket with them, now.
Back in Season 0, I played a lot of Hela and Punisher around GM3. A skilled Rocket could shred slow or immobile targets like Hela’s or Punisher’s ult, forcing me to pressure or eliminate him before using mine. Now, as Hulk, my biggest threats are CC, Punisher with a shotgun, and Rocket-who's incredibly hard to take down and can melt Hulk almost as fast as Punisher's shotgun. If Rocket players I get matched up with in my team can learn to play the way you do, many of the games will be so much easier.
Rocket is literally a DPS/supp hybrid hero like after watching your clips it makes so mad that every rocket that I ever get on my team is honestly throwing. You're telling me you have the best movement in the game and you wanna sit and heal bot for 10-15 minutes because you think 45k heals was the difference between us winning and losing? That is what my experience with rocket is especially with that one dude making it to top 500 or whatever just by heal botting with rocket.
The secret tech to Rocket is literally just making use of his wall run... got to diamond exclusively healbotting with this and you learn of absolutely disgusting positions that you can make use of as other characters Naturally I go for picks if I see a marksman just camping a spot or if someone is CC'd but 90% of the time you will find a rocket in the most fuckass place in the map and its hilarious... like there's a good reason 0DamageRocket is a GM player Also while his E does give great utility passively I just found it has more use if it doesn't get shot down un 2 seconds so I hide it and ping it to make use of the revive #1 enemy to a rocket who can actually play the character is star lord due to his range and mobility, with #2 probably being a good spiderman due to the fact he can CC you in his combo if he manages to hit you... but even if you're stuck playing deathgarden against these 2 theres still plenty of counterplay to it
This video also describes most cloak and dagger players, me and my friends call them "dagger mains" they normally just heal bot and never swap to cloak to go for blinds, save themselves, or help take flank control
I like playing rocket but the moment i stop healing to take someone out quick a teammate dies and gets mad for "no heals". I was with an ally tank (don't remember which but pretty sure he had a shield) on the point, he was full health so i focused on shredding the enemy venom thats in my face for a second and took him out at the same time my tank died and i heard "this rocket isn't healing me" (wasn't as nice) and I'm wondering how he died so fast while I'm still alive. it was like 5 seconds i wasn't healing.
Unfortunately, this was a mistake. Venom's purpose is to swing in and annoy healers and take attention away from their job. As rocket in the future I would try and just dash out of the way of venoms attacks and keep healing the team, venom takes a long time to kill as rocket alone. But unlike other healers you have the luxury to ignore him.
Yeah that's normal what I would do but it was overtime and we were down a round already so I had the "don't leave the point" mentality and zoned in on what's in front of me, running would have been the better play. Also the tank I remembered was Groot who was with me on point (pretty sure he was the only tank). I typically will just get more annoyed about complaints with healing when I'm the only one playing support.
Honestly that annoyed me too, like I agreed with most of this vid, but seeing the rocket dif felt needlessly rude. Some people genuinely aren't that good at aiming, and people who use dif like that don't help anything. But admitting it gives you a lot of brownie points, nice, sometimes we have toxic moments. I just hope that we can try to have a mors sportsman-like community.
The BIG advantage of Rocket I feel, is his survivability! Staying alive is key! Worst thing you can do in this game is die XD People like to pressure support players into playing Luna or Cloak and Dagger because of their defensive ults. But I think they’re quite overrated. Sure those characters have great heals and ults but they don’t mean much if they keep dying to enemy divers XD Yes, Rocket doesn’t have defensive ults but and don’t heal as much BUT Good Rocket rarely dies! And if you don’t die you can continue to put out VALUES! Help your team secure the kills! Rez them, Waste their divers time by making them chase you, Destroy enemy’s utilities…All of this while still healing your team! This is what he’s designed to do! People who hates him never played him XD
Yes, I see people who play other healers besides rocket that complain about getting dived disregard him just because he doesn’t have a defensive ult. Even though switching to him could’ve prevented dying to those dives they’re complaining about, giving the team healing instead of a sprinkle of healing every blue moon and then a long walk back to point just to do another sprinkle then die to a dive again.
For a sec I thought I got this recommended by the universe cuz I’m bad but nah I’m glad I don’t got that problem. My homies are kinda ass and sometimes I’m the one getting the MVP as Rocket. (Venom is my favorite to kill lmao)
My biggest tip is bouncing your heal orbs. I gravitated towards him as a former Moira main and the ability to heal 2 different targets in totally different parts of the map with bouncing off map geometry is HUGE! You can also do things like spam into far away walls to ensure your team gets double healing when they bounce back.
In that first clip where you all in dashed over to your Strange to kill the Thor, you let another teammate of yours die and you werent on the point. If anything you played into the Thor's hand because he drew at least two of you physically over to him to deal with him.
Trying to do more as rocket is fine, but you have this tone in your voice that you are better than all rocket mains when you being overly aggressive isn't as impactful as you think from a strategic perspective is concerning, especially if you're conceding kills and position to the enemy team just to kill one player whose job it is to draw resources and attention from your team.
@@smoo3072 You DO make a fair point that Thor might’ve been distracting us, (I’m not trying to say that I’m perfect either) but it’s better to play with your team even if they’re making a mistake by not being on point themselves. Unfortunately for our lone duelist, I have to admit that maybe I could’ve done something. But I (Even as rocket) can only do so much sometimes. I hate to say it, but I will almost always prioritize a dying tank over a dying duelist. (Also I had BRB active) And the star lord also distracted their Jeff from healing Thor which gave us the pick so his sacrifice wasn’t in vein.
Rocket can melt tanks if you are close enugh In quickplay i play invis woman like sonbra😂 waiting for people to come out of spawn and sending them back, its quickplay stop flaming guys
What I hate the most is the amount of useless healing rocket can get. They do AOE slow over time healing which basically means you can’t save anyone from focus fire and burst damage. So when you get that much healing, the issue is you are stealing ult charges from your other healer who has defensive ults. In this game offensive ults are strong so you need defensive ults to counter, whcih is the biggest reason people hate rocket raccoon. In short, rocket raccon steals ult charge from other defensive ult supports by doing useless heals, and his ult does absolutely nothing. BUT, the only time where rocket is good is when there’s triple support, or good bucky and punisher. The team up literally equates to a tiny dps ult. And in tripple support rocket can focus on dps, heals and most importantly his ult is used as offensive utility, like damage boosting namor ult, punisher ult, or whatever damage ult that can out dps healing ults. But It requires communication. His revive can actually be really useful cuz in higher levels dpses don’t just go in and die, so reviving a tank at full hp is actually massive value. But rocket is just so situational and usually another support ult is just a safer bet. Just different play styles and rocket needs more communication. Can dependent on your team to do well.
I think similar message also works for any of the Marvel Rivals characters. There is more to them than just being tanks, heals and dps. I don't even understand the point of the "meta characters" tier lists. Imho all of the heroes in the game are balanced really well. What actually depends on whoever wins or loses is ultimately your skill, teamwork with your allies and how the enemy team also show themselves. There is no "gigachad main character" who can win any game all by himself. There are many different strategies, and of course united work as a team.
I agree on this. Most rocket only do 1 thing instead of 4 things. like just healing or just damage. As a strategist, you should be able to know when to heal, when to shoot, where to place your brb(where you can place it in a area that is safe and near most of the clashes happen) and finally, able to evade and go back to the area with more teammates so they can help out in destroying the harasser. There is a reason why this character has the highest win rate even in High Elo, most of the player don't know how to use it. Plus, for Punishers and Winter Soldier users, please if a good rocket has place a boost attack beacon for you, don't leave the area and maximize the FASTER FIRE RATE and Unlimited Ammo. For other players, if they have place the brb during domination starting area(Attack side), get health packs and jump boost. You may not know that it MAY give you the edge in the start of the game. Rocket users, Learn all the usage of this character.
I hope this video blows up cause I'm so fucking tired of the >1000 damage Rockets in lobbies. It's boring, it sucks for both teams, and it does our maniacal racoon a disservice
The only time I’ll try to heal-bot is if I’m injured or if I’ve been getting targeted by divers. Otherwise, I’ll help secure kills, but I’m not quite perfect yet. Also, I struggle to combine M1 and M2 in team fights - definitely something I should work on.
Rocket is BY FAR the best Dive support in this game along Jeff and ppl fail to realize that. I blame all the content creators and "Pro advanced guides" for pushing this overly passive playstyle that always boils down to "Healbot, never use your gun unless to save yourself. Use your movement to escape. Your movement is meant for escape. Your gun is meant to be used defensively" There is way more depth to this character than ppl give credit for. He is the wolverine of the supports.
imk ngl, jeff is a menace. (I won't elaborate, cause i think people know what im talking about) The pro guides aren't 100% wrong, but they're also not 100% right. In a perfect world (Bots) every role would just do exactly what they're roped into. Tanks stand in front and just absord damage, dps damage, heals only heal. But we aren't bots, we can do devious sh*t... :)
So much of Rocket's problems come from his kit and the expectations the community has of strategists. Do you know *why* people play ground rocket? Because it's the only way to realistically heal more than one person at a time. Why do rocket players want so desperately to heal more than one teammate? Because rocket's healing throughput might be the worst of the strategists for single-target healing. It's this same low healing throughput that drives the majority of rocket players into permanently healbotting: If they stop healing their allies for even a moment, those allies will probably die and flame the rocket. It's why you really only start seeing rocket's potential come out in triple heal comps where he can afford to stop healing for long stretches of time and team up with divers or peel for the other strategists. You did land on essentially rocket's greatest strengths though: He is a master of being in the right place at the right time, and brings both damage and healing to the party depending on what the situation calls for, all while being mobile enough to essentially be unkillable.
Got to GM S0 and S1 using rocket as mainly a healbot. Get some kills here and there but the healbot playstyle is defo viable. For playmaking I pick cloak and I have a Smurf account that I’m learning invisible woman for a cc support option.
I've started to become more aggressive with the racoon, I was before ish but today I nearly nabbed mvp with how agressive I was, healing and taking out tanks and supports when possible... making my way to the top slowly
I believe it’s smarter to let my teammate die and focus on healing. He’ll come back seconds later due to Rockets revive machine. As a former rocket main, you can’t risk dying or you lose out on the revive which can completely turn the tables in a close game, especially if the teammate who recently died comes back with his ult. In the scenario where Thor was taking on strange/rocket; veteran players will focus on Rocket if he pushes up and then focus on the tank in most cases. This video is informative, but supports actively helping with kills rather than healing is completely situational. And sometimes even suicide.
Rocket does so much fucking damage! You can almost 1 clip any tank in the game. I don't understand why people are not agressive with him ROCKET IS SUPPOSED TO BE A CRACKHEAD ON ROIDS MAN JUST GO IN!!!!!!
Yea, if someone is dying as rocket 20 times in any game I'd think I'd be mad too. It's just that I see people not even trying once, instead just always staying their comfort zone during games.
Okay but what do I do when my team constantly complains when I don’t just sit back and heal bot like I’ll actively help my Thor kill some one and he’ll turn around and go “bro wtf are you doing heal the team stop trying to get kills”
spitting facts my dude. I am slowly becoming a rocket main but prior to him i was playing as Bucky and the punisher. So i add that aggressiveness on top of healing, its a crazy fun hybrid i enjoy.
Facts I agree as someone who used rocket raccoon, I ligit kept annoying the team because they just couldn’t aim/kill me when I kept flying above the point healing/shooting.
So what? They're a drain on the team and got carried. If you play Rocket without doing damage, you either want Redditor karma or you're just not good enough at playing the character to its full potential. Reaching high ranks as a healer means nothing.
I agree with you but I think the reason many don't is the flaming for sure not just for doing things they see as wrong but just picking him in the first place but I think part of it is his design because of the res beacon meeting him to be alive to work and not working on himself it makes you want to play more safe. But at the least if you are not going for picks cause I don't really either, at least not as deep as you do, at least shoot shields and keys he DESTROYS THEM the heal is overtime you can weave in shots and people didn't even do that. Don't get me started on the amount of people I see just throw the beacon anywhere to just be shot out.
@notlogan6482 oh I assumed I wasn't really saying you didn't Hell it's something I'm working on myself if it gets used there is no reason to sit back as much. But again I agree with what you are saying I just think there's a give and take here. It doesn't help that I feel his kit does make people play him bad from the res, to the low hp, to the dashes being so good at running away but then there the fall off damage, the low mag, the slow heals, the aggressive ult that makes him kind of polarizing. That's not even considering the whole "why risk it" I mean people are scared of pushing for similar reasons people would rather do the "wrong" thing that keeps the team happy then the "right" thing that makes them mad it's funny but the brain works
@ Yea i made this video because a lot of people who play this character are afraid to step out of their comfort zone. You have to figure when the situation is fine to go and be aggro in, heck, there are games where I do just have to heal bot. But when opportunities arise, people need to know when to take them and not be afraid.
@@notlogan6482 Fair and also props to you for being able to read anything I typed because reading it back HOLY It's a time thing I feel people will figure it out but again the stigma will always be there but I am hoping people at least do start playing him a bit better. Except No DMG Rocket I will protect him with my life even if he did 22 damage the other day
Grand Master Main Lord Rocket here w double ur hours, only shoot flying enemies, tanks and enemies pushing you, hide your res beacon high on roofs if avaliable, when getting ult by storm, psylocke,jeff etc etc double dash high up or go to nearest wall and climb, always try to comunicate w punisher and winter soldier if they are in your team for the power up, if somebody dives u like spider man dash or run towards your team and he will go away in most cases
The guy is Right. Rocket can easily do a whole lot more because I thought he was just a Support who gave out armor😂 I didn't read his ability so I didn't know the other button was his healing. I was going in and people genuinely don't know what to do against rocket because he is very small so he is hard to hit. Press of a button so that makes him all the more better for 1v1
I like Rocket bc as an Overwatch player he reminds me of baptiste or illari. You try to weave in damage in between healing and also focus on map knowledge for brb placements. Im still trying to get better at weaving damage in while I heal, quickplay games I might get 1000 dmg on the high end atm 😅
imo: final hits > total damage. Getting kills efficiently and as quickly as possible is more important than overall damage. Ex: I'll have games where I only did 2k damage, but get 5 final hits. I took Isolated fights with people I was confident I could win against, finished them up quickly, then went straight back to healing.
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Ty for the tutorial
A bigger problem is some parts of the community actively hates when strategist do anything more than healbot.
skill issue :)
most strategists (luna cloak) should be heal botting but rocket isnt one of them
Luna and Cloak can DPS to an extent though. Luna freezes with a snowball and gets an easy kill and Ice Arts does decent damage as well. And Dagger is a healbot, but that's what Cloak is for. To add a little extra DPS
As a rocket main, if I stop healing dr strange dies and the team falls apart because the other healer is cloak and dagger and he has 26 kills so you can see were his focus is at.
And you’re in the right. Your cloak is throwing, because at the end of the day our main role is to support primarily. (80/20) heal first, everything else second.
If that's the case, then your C&Ds just have a skill issue. You should be able to cycle your cooldowns between the two and balance damage with healing. Be aware of where your team is, throw a bubble at someone you think is gonna need it within the next 3 seconds, swap to Cloak, blind, kill, swap back, heal the people who need it. It's constantly juggling, but a good C&D should be getting a lot of kills AND heals. In a good match, I can get 30k+ heals and a similar amount of kills as the tanks and dps, plus a couple dozen assists.
@@notlogan6482 you know what I've started playing rocket more aggressively when it's feasible and I've gone from gold 3 to gold 1 and it's been less than 24 hrs of applying that advise.
As a cloak and dagger main, I know that the reason they have high eliminations is because their attacks auto target, cloak’s M1 is a braindead Scarlet Witch M1, and eliminations count if you do any damage to someone dying. I get high kills and high heals often, but final hits don’t look nearly as big as eliminations for C&D but we get the blame for “focusing too much on DPS” when I’m doing chip damage by accident and using cloak when someone is almost dead, also C&D ult actually does damage
@@xxghastlytonerxx lmao I get so much dopamine when I'm on Dagger and focusing on healing, free firing daggers into the crowd during a team fight, and then I accidentally get a KO pop up cause a stray dagger locked on to the wrong person at the right time 😂
GM rocket main here. I would advise against being too aggressive on him. While you shouldn’t be a pure healbot, rockets biggest asset is his ability to stay alive. Ive lost plenty of matches by getting too aggressive and wanting to do more damage. It’s usually better to stay back and use your gun when part of an overall team push or for self defense.
If you don’t have the lowest amount of deaths on your team you are playing rocket wrong. Stay alive, stay back, and reposition when things get hairy and you’ll win more games than you lose.
I'm only up to plat 1 but I've been doing the same and it's been working. I take the kills when they come to me, or unload a mag into a charging thor or venom to make him easier to finish off, or hell just to get him to fuck off. You have to be picky about when you get in trouble cause your mobility only goes to far and you are the juiciest target on the team. Also, never underestimate the power of wasting an enemies time.
@ 100%, keep it up and you’ll get to GM in no time
Yes I agree, I should've elaborated on this more. Be aggressive at the RIGHT time, not at every single opportunity. Go for picks with high success rates and use mobility to get out at the first sign of trouble.
@@KermRiv Yes, make sure to be using what I like to call super dashes or trimp dashes instead of using 2 back to back dashes. you get so much more total distance with them if you want to get away or to somewhere quickly incase you start getting focused by them.
@@IAmGeorgeLucas yea, i have a 61% winrate in d2 rn, so it's coming very soon. I just don't have as much time to grind ranked rn.
I cant understate how good of a tool Doom Match is for improving as Rocket. Not only developing the dm skills to confidently take 1v1s, but also learning to use your movement to its fullest to avoid nad situations or just bait duelists into wasting cooldowns so they're easy picks.
Boutta try this 🤞
Earlier when i was playing Rocket my team got mad at me for mowing down a Thor who was right infront of me instead of healing. I can kind of get why Rocket players feel the need to healbot.
if your team is dying right next to you you can try pressing mouse 2 once or twice then go back to shredding. I would need to know more about the exact situation to help but i feel u.
@@notlogan6482 Everyone was already fully healed, I usually alternate between M1 & M2 because the orb healing does not stack
that's not the reason
the reason you got flamed is because they lost at least one teammate because you stopped healing.
if you had just killed the Thor they wouldn't even have noticed.
I feel what you are saying.
In a perfect world, you'd be 100% correct. In reality, unless you REALLY want to leave it to (even more chance) in solo queue, support players in general (not just Rocket) don't have a (viable) option to NOT heal bot due to most teammates not being able to take care of themselves for more than 5 seconds at a time.
I mean, not really. Luna Snow has piercing, so does Invisible Woman, Loki does splash damage for damage and healing. Healbotting is almost always the worst option because it forces your team to pick up the slack that you aren't taking advantage of, likely while the enemy Strategists are.
Basically, if you're a no damage Rocket, your team is already at a 5v6 in DPS. If your other healer isn't outputting damage, chances are neither of you will be able to out-heal the burst damage that is coming in from the enemy.
Every Strategist in this game is designed to focus on a mix of offense and defense, the aforementioned pierce attacks, or Jeff the Shark and Rocket ult. There are times where you need burst healing, but there's also times where you cannot out heal burst. The only way to counter that is to eliminate their sources of damage.
A no damage Rocket will never accomplish that counterplay, while a Luna Snow only has to press Shift and then you can make a pick while still healing a teammate.
A GOOD Rocket will do exactly what was described here in the video - send out a healing orb to 1 person, they are being healed, you are doing damage, the healing runs out and you repeat the process. Quicker time to kill, Rocket is supporting the team, and your teammate got the exact same amount of healing meaning you're back to healing more teammates sooner.
@@minyanismyou type all these just to see your team gets melt in 2 seconds because you refuse to hold right click
@ Rocket only puts out 70hp/s, less than every burst hero in the game, and 1 character can only be healed by 1 orb at a time. Your whole team died because you refused to fire your gun while your team was dying, thinking that 8 orbs actually do something instead of flying off into nowhere because the other 4 are already healing your teammates, giving you ~5 seconds of downtime TO SHOOT THE PEOPLE KILLING YOUR TEAM.
Did you know that Rocket's orbs do not stack? If you did, what are you doing with that downtime? Because I can guarantee that if you are just waiting or pumping out more orbs, you aren't helping your team, you are putting them at a 5v6 in damage.
From a distance (20m) Rocket's 40% falloff is STILL 77DPS -- that's 1.8 more than Cloak. Within 10m Rocket does 192DPS. This means that you CAN make picks. You CAN help your team without being a healbot who unbound their primary fire.
If your team isn't composed around a 5v6, you're going to struggle. If you refuse to help your team in damage, you are going to struggle as a player.
Rocket can 1v1 and win easily, but so many of you just run away and then act high and mighty when you're 0/0/12 with 35k healing and 0 to 648 damage after a loss.
You have literal good players telling you how to succeed and then you come at me with this? Take a look at yourself in the mirror, I'm trying to help you.
to people interested: only do this if your teammates aren't complete buffoons. If you're still in a rank where your teammates keep over extending a lot, focus on healing. But the moment you see that your teammates are stable with the moderate healing you're sending them then you start shooting.
an easy vibe check: if at least 1 or 2 other teammates are comming correctly and your tank(s) are steadily taking space and your DPS aren't dropping like flies the moment you look away, you can shoot. (this start to happen around mid plat)
Yes, sometimes you have to heal bot. It's just a fact pf the role you're playing.
When I play Rocket, I pump out the healing as much as possible. Taking out the other team is secondary to keeping my team alive so they can take them out. I only go for kills if one of them has me backed into a corner or if my team is pushing forward.
Rocket is my secondary and I detest anyone that calls him a throw pick
Bro called this a rant but it still felt really informative. I've been slowly incorporating movement and shooting into my Rocket gameplay but not once did I think Iron man or Hela ult was something to chase and shoot. I mean I would shoot at them but to climb up and dash to them is a whole new thing I didn't know about. Really good video man. I believed in Rocket since the start and this help reassure my belief and elevate gameplay. Bout to make my ranked climb much easier as healer if I can't use duelist to help the team comp.
Honestly goated opinion. So many grandmaster UA-camrs just write off Rocket as mid because of his ult and lack of healing. So many of them have internalized that Rocket is just a heal bot and you shouldn’t learn him because the meta is “shake booty for 12 seconds” and chain it 3 times. Rocket is so much different than the other strategists that people think he sucks.
Dafran is top 10 on rocket he used to be a tracer player
I swear as soon as people hit Plat or Gold 1 they think they know the game lmfao
Considering the vast majority of the population is below diamond, they probably do. However, diamond and higher becomes a different game.
Me solo tanking: "Rocket, shoot Groot walls". Rocket player, "I gotta heal". I then die.
Ok do - ooosh. Yeah, rocket can beat many DPS if they can aim within 10mt. The problem arises when people complain about HEALING, their, arguably truthful, primary duty. If YOU cannot kill enemies with non-stop rocket heals, that's your problem. When a rocket stops healing for three seconds to unload a volley and reload, that's a team wipe with many of you losers. Stop complaining and actually hit your shots.
Too busy dodging, weaving and moving around. Everybody is scared to take cover and stand still, line up a shot, and move up
Rocket irl
As a fellow Rocket enjoyer I have to say the biggest thing for trying to do more fighting mentally is DON’T worry about damage numbers, you can do a lot but really you just need to do a little. 100 here or there to overcome healing will go a long way so even if you still have low damage numbers you’re still doing a lot of those interactions led to more kills
Amen brother, I'm out here trying to ricochet my heals in a way that provides constant heals while also trying to take out stragglers and aggressives. Then the mfs push way further than they should only to die, people not hitting their shots and staying still so my heals dont even matter.
Even at 20m rocket does 77DPS, only a 40% falloff.
That's still more than Cloaks primary attack (70dps) and Daggers 18dps.
The difference is that Cloak can lay a healing bubble and self heal, Rocket has to be much more strategic.
Saying this all the time, every support needs to get picks if they want to rank.
Jeff is the same, flank and kill due to survivability.
Rocket, if ever theres a 1v1 the moment your opponent is half yealth dive them. They think he has 5 seconds to live, nope he has 2 seconds and now he's dead.
Hit GM mostly playing him
For me, my teammates are just buns and they blame the lowest tier character on the team, me because I play Rocket. It’s stupid because one time I was 22-5-31 with over 55k healing. I almost had the most amount of kills, but I also was the second person with the most amount of healing and I had the most amount of assists. What does my team say about the work I put in? “I’m tired of one trick rockets selling my game” we had a Luna snow and Cloak and Dagger on the team and I did better than both of them combined. The most stupidest part is that we won and they still complained. It makes no sense to me why people flame on me even though I’m the one carrying when it comes to heals and assists. Once you hit GM, you’re going to be the one to blame if your team loses, only because your ultimate doesn’t make your team invincible for 7 seconds.
This is too relatable 😢, as a rocket it's never enough, getting a thank you for my B.R.B is the only bone I get🙃
I love playing rocket he's so fun, I've been put down for only playing rocket because of "no skill". Stay strong rockets mains 💪, they just don't get it 😢.
"invincibility" ults are overrated in my personal opinion (But that's because im a rocket main) having one is necessary tho. People don't realize you can just healbot and wait them out a lot of the time. Ill switch off a character like luna snow sometimes to rocket and it genuinely feels like i completely change the game. Invincibility ults feel bad to play against, but that doesn't mean theyre effective a lot of the time, they just FEEL annoying.
@@notlogan6482 They also feel reaaaally good to be in em,thats a factor too.Anyway my stance is 3 strategist meta is bs and a good non 3 strat comb can beat it easily,as you said, wait em out.
also can i also add to the rocket skillgap is knowing the maps, but knowing them in a much more intimate way than other people might, so that you can heal people around sets of corners. now you might think, trying to heal around corners means you’re not shooting people, right? Wrong! you learn to heal around corners so you can support your team or other flanker while you yourself are on a flank
I can’t tell you how often I try to bounce my heals off walls to heal my overextended or super pushed up team. It’s something I had to learn to do on the fly because they’re so often just humping the enemy spawn that I can never get them to back off unless I just stop healing them
This right here is why rocket is kinda underrated. He can straight up heal from the other side of the planet if he feels like. If you're running a two dive comp (for some god forsaken reason) he's pretty much a necessity.
@@notlogan6482 see as much as 2 dive is fun, can i propose: 3 dive.
you go 3 or 4 healers, those being jeff, rocket, and then 1-2 of adam sue luna cloak mantis. the other slots are a tank (probably venom) and 1-2 dive dps (i’ve played with dive/poke like star lord psylocke punisher, but true dive like bp spidey or wolverine probably works too)
you basically just have the main healer and tank exist, then the jeff and rocket can just go play as duelist, while still doing their healer job. i’ve ran it with friends before and it works really well, since the dive pressure basically never goes away, since they just get pocket healed the whole time
Ita fun having aerial dog fights with the flighty dps they never expect a jet boosted Rocket Raccoon
The problem ive seen recently that if you dont play a support that has an inviciblility ult you already deemed a throw even if you prove that you provided for your team.
the thing I hate with rocket, is EVERYONE says rocket isn't supposed to be doing damage, which why did they give him a fucking gun?????
Beyond that, why does that gun fucking MELT within its effective range and have headshot crit if you aren't supposed to do damage?
I literally tested in in training mode, but when I went for headshots I was able to kill hulk and banner, WITH 18 BULLES LEFT AFTER........ what are people doing? genuinely
As I mentioned in the vid, hitting all headshots is nearly as close to hela’s headshot dps.
It is actually kinda nuts. People just see the low scoreboard numbers and think he does nothing.
@@notlogan6482 I guess so, I definitely am not afraid to take a fight on rocket, and sometimes it goes well, other times, skill issue, but you opened my eyes to the things he could do with his movement, and I was up till like 5am just running around in the range, trying to see all the ways I could navigate areas that I hadn't tried yet and OH MY GOD I love this character even more now
People fail to recognize that dealing damage with Rocket that doesn't resort in kills is just feeding Ult to healers. If you're doing DPS with him you might as well play an actual DPS he's not meant to be a flanker/killer he's meant to be Healer that can resist dive.
And yes he has the worse damage of any Strategist outside of a controlled environment, yeah he can do a lot of damage if the person is stationary but that's not going to happen every single team fight.
Yea, I try to emphasize final hits over damage in my games. I'm likely going to make a guide later that goes over that.
@notlogan6482 Yeah I get what you mean, I think it's harder for Rocket players to do damage on console because of how imprecise the thumbstick is. If I'm not getting headshots with him every time the enemy just escapes because of the dumb projectile speed Rocket has.
So I really only ever bother shooting my guns at tanks or people under half health, on console it's ridiculous trying to hit Dagger/Mantis with it.
You won't convince anyone they're too stubborn. Trust me.
By some of this comment section, I can kinda tell.
I genuinely thought rocket was more of a defensive hero with escape tools at first, but I also just started playing the game over a week ago. I don't care how much practice it takes, I will turn into the most annoying pesterfest ever after seeing this video.
The key is to not always be doing aggression. Finding the right time for it is crucial. But it comes with experience.
I am certainly learning that lesson, got my ass handed to me a few times. I got to bully one iron man though, so it was worth it.
One thing I will say when I play as rocket I try to shoot and heal which probably doesn’t work as well as just hunting them down. But when I play as a strategist I try not to attack by myself. Which is like the opposite of what you do. And I’m trying to main rocket so thanks for letting me know how to get gud. 🙏 Doom match here I come lol.
Don't always go alone, taking a 2 v 1 is always better than a 1 v 1. But if you are confident and you know they're low hp or alone and vulnerable try and go for it!
Tale as old as time. People generally don't understand how tank and support roles work. But instead of trying to see the potential, they judge and project. This happens in every competitive game, but it always gets the most intoxicating in team environments. Let the haters drown in their own acid
I lpve Rocket, he's my favorite character in the mcu and marvel overall
Im a rocket main
Lately, I've been trying to push to be more proactive on rocket, but I stop healing for one moment, and the team is dying, and I'm usually on a team with either a cloak or a mantis. I try to take out an ank or a squid that they're not aware of and then they start dying after I look away for a split second.
Yeah, as someone who loves Rocket Raccoon, I make sure to not only heal my team, but to actually get kills by supporting my team in more aspects than on.
I was talking to my homie about this the other day. Telling him I'm a very proactive Rocekt player. Im healing mlst of the time, obviously because that's my role. However, I'm also actively participating in gun fights and securing the win. I've beaten so many characters in 1 v 1's. If people can aim with Rocket Raccoon at close range, he can shred most characters, and with his ridiculous mobility, you essentially have a Spider-Man with a gun, lol.
So yeah, I'm not a press heal all game, ever game and refuse to shoot, nope! I will engage in gun fights and always make sure to have a good amount of kills and some of the least deaths in lobbies, especially as a Support, because if I'm dead, I can't "Support" my team. Anyways, love the video!! 💯
You really think Rocket has more mobility than Spider-man? No one can match him when it comes to travel speed. Rocket's boost and wallcrawl makes him very mobile but don't forget that Spider-man can wall run too. Granted Rocket is more hard to hit because of his size. If you're good at using his escape kits an Enemy will have a hard time killing him. I find myself using Rocket if I go healer but my lack of map awareness prevents me from using him at his full potential :(
Nah I was just spouting some random words since I didn't have a script to work off of. (I corrected it on the text in that section of the vid) His movement isn't as good but I'm willing to bet money that it's among the top 3 in the game.
I’m a minute in and I’m already agreeing with you! We’re on the same page! 😂
The reason people play rocket the way they do is because Rockets damage drop off is horrible. And you provide your team more value by not dying and keeping your BRB active.
That's why I plan my aggression around BRB going into cool down. And focus on taking out deployables from safe angles when it's active. That way my team can focus on getting picks.
"He can straight up take 1v1s against Star Lord (in close range) and win..." Star Lord is squishy so every hero can do this, especially if he's bad.
The problem is if he DOES hit you with a solid burst, you are dead. Rocket does make that more difficult to do though.
Yeah man it’s crazy how many people miss use rocket but if had to guess it’s cause it counter intuitive cause you got some of the best range heals but some of the worst range fall of making you think the gun sucks so newer rockets just stick to what they see is working
When I first choose this character in season 0, my first thought was like “why did they give him actual dmg?” And then proceeded to have fun being a machine gun maniac on Groot
People that start playing him tend to do too much of either at first. But with the more experience you have on him, the more you’ll be able to find his balance from game to game.
"HEy teAm, EnJoy tHe aMpLiFieR!" - Timthetatman
Lazy M2 Rocket Raccoon players….. idea; what if we started calling them Rigby players, because again the laziness.
You did a great job at showing how fun this character can truly be when used right
I'm a Rocket main, and I literally go after tanks with this character...............this character is awesome.
Underrated tank shredder.
With how slowly the bullets move and how most of his skills are meant for teamplay or escaping danger, most people probably instinctively try to play him as a full-on Strategist meant to be stick to cover and survive, it doesn't help that pretty much every other person in the Strategist category is more or less meant to be a healbot the team protects so the expectations are already set when one character is designed to play differently
To sell the idea that he's more of an off-Strategist, someone you pick for the utility and damage potential than just the team medic, i wouldn't mind see him either get a bigger magazine size so he doesn't have to reload as much in a fight, or a bullet velocity increase that keeps the same intense damage fall-off to sell the idea to players that Rocket's a killer if you can sneak yourself in range for a pick against a small and nimble target instead of trying to poke Vanguards all day. Just one or the other, but not both, having both of those buffs at the same time sounds busted to me
Personally I lean more towards the magazine size buff since increasing Rockets bullet velocity too far also happens to increase his accuracy and effective range since bullets will have a tighter spread because they're moving faster before spread takes hold, nudging him into Duelist territory, while giving him an extra 10 or 15 or so shots before reloading just makes going for a 1v1 more forgiving if the chance for a pick against a flanker shows up
I agree, I don't think he should get a bullet velocity buff. But changing that 45 to a 50 would be nice.
@@notlogan6482 Yeah the more i thought about it the more it seemed like it'd be a balancing headache where you gotta increase the spread to compensate for the faster bullets, but then the DPS might be too high on a Strategist, etc. etc.
A bigger mag would be appreciated, more breathing room for players learning the ropes on a One Star character but still just enough for it to be viable for 1 pick til you gotta reload
Honestly if i was an aggressive rocket, id just pick mantis instead 😂. Rocket is the best hero to kill first because his revive beacon gets deleted. Im diamond 💎
But what if beacon is used >:)
Yep, if it was used to rez someone and you kill him it'll have him skip the 40 second cooldown timer. Pretty neat loophole.
cool, anyway back to holding down m2, because if I don't team dies(somehow)
Sometimes you have to hold m2, it just comes with the role. I'm just trying to get people to see that he can do aggro from time to time. Hope you enjoyed the vid!
I did and I love nothing more then go crazy as rocket, killing spider man that dive is my favourite
Cough cough no damage rocket gm
When I first started playing Rivals, I had no idea that "stratagist" was the healer class, and the first stratagist I gravitated towards was Rocket. I was the antiphasis of your rant. I would dash into people's faces, and shred them, after throwing my pack down behind cover. When I learned about his heal, my play style barely changed. I just mash M2 when I'm not throwing lead down range, and dive with my dive tanks and assassin DPS. I just throw an orb out here or there while I help my allies burn them down. My friends still meme on me to this day for not knowing about his heal for the first 3 days I played, but they love having me play a dive rocket with them, now.
Heal first then dive :)
Rocket players who don't do damage are literally insects. I love games with these bugs who don't do any damage along with deficient OTP DPS players.
Back in Season 0, I played a lot of Hela and Punisher around GM3. A skilled Rocket could shred slow or immobile targets like Hela’s or Punisher’s ult, forcing me to pressure or eliminate him before using mine. Now, as Hulk, my biggest threats are CC, Punisher with a shotgun, and Rocket-who's incredibly hard to take down and can melt Hulk almost as fast as Punisher's shotgun. If Rocket players I get matched up with in my team can learn to play the way you do, many of the games will be so much easier.
Yea a lot of people don't realize that rat packs a punch.
Rocket is literally a DPS/supp hybrid hero like after watching your clips it makes so mad that every rocket that I ever get on my team is honestly throwing. You're telling me you have the best movement in the game and you wanna sit and heal bot for 10-15 minutes because you think 45k heals was the difference between us winning and losing? That is what my experience with rocket is especially with that one dude making it to top 500 or whatever just by heal botting with rocket.
The practice range is so useful. His damage drop off makes him pitiful at 20+ meters, but he SHREDS within 10 meters. Shotgun range.
The secret tech to Rocket is literally just making use of his wall run... got to diamond exclusively healbotting with this and you learn of absolutely disgusting positions that you can make use of as other characters
Naturally I go for picks if I see a marksman just camping a spot or if someone is CC'd but 90% of the time you will find a rocket in the most fuckass place in the map and its hilarious... like there's a good reason 0DamageRocket is a GM player
Also while his E does give great utility passively I just found it has more use if it doesn't get shot down un 2 seconds so I hide it and ping it to make use of the revive
#1 enemy to a rocket who can actually play the character is star lord due to his range and mobility, with #2 probably being a good spiderman due to the fact he can CC you in his combo if he manages to hit you... but even if you're stuck playing deathgarden against these 2 theres still plenty of counterplay to it
This video also describes most cloak and dagger players, me and my friends call them "dagger mains" they normally just heal bot and never swap to cloak to go for blinds, save themselves, or help take flank control
I like playing rocket but the moment i stop healing to take someone out quick a teammate dies and gets mad for "no heals".
I was with an ally tank (don't remember which but pretty sure he had a shield) on the point, he was full health so i focused on shredding the enemy venom thats in my face for a second and took him out at the same time my tank died and i heard "this rocket isn't healing me" (wasn't as nice) and I'm wondering how he died so fast while I'm still alive. it was like 5 seconds i wasn't healing.
Unfortunately, this was a mistake. Venom's purpose is to swing in and annoy healers and take attention away from their job. As rocket in the future I would try and just dash out of the way of venoms attacks and keep healing the team, venom takes a long time to kill as rocket alone. But unlike other healers you have the luxury to ignore him.
Yeah that's normal what I would do but it was overtime and we were down a round already so I had the "don't leave the point" mentality and zoned in on what's in front of me, running would have been the better play. Also the tank I remembered was Groot who was with me on point (pretty sure he was the only tank). I typically will just get more annoyed about complaints with healing when I'm the only one playing support.
Why so rude to the other Rocket by saying "Rocket diff" if you know for a fact that people have to practice to get better?
ngl it was pretty rude. Forgive me, it was my inner gamer.
@@notlogan6482 Haha I get it. Trash talk comes out sometimes and Trash Pandas dish it out in droves.
@notlogan6482
Humility, earns you a sub my friend.
Honestly that annoyed me too, like I agreed with most of this vid, but seeing the rocket dif felt needlessly rude. Some people genuinely aren't that good at aiming, and people who use dif like that don't help anything.
But admitting it gives you a lot of brownie points, nice, sometimes we have toxic moments. I just hope that we can try to have a mors sportsman-like community.
@@rubiedubiefreshNfruityit’s funny maybe if my teammates were flaming me it would be toxic but between enemies saying diff is a harmless taunt.
Make rocket hit scan and not projectile and change his ult
The BIG advantage of Rocket I feel, is his survivability!
Staying alive is key! Worst thing you can do in this game is die XD
People like to pressure support players into playing Luna or Cloak and Dagger because of their defensive ults. But I think they’re quite overrated.
Sure those characters have great heals and ults but they don’t mean much if they keep dying to enemy divers XD
Yes, Rocket doesn’t have defensive ults but and don’t heal as much BUT Good Rocket rarely dies! And if you don’t die you can continue to put out VALUES!
Help your team secure the kills! Rez them, Waste their divers time by making them chase you, Destroy enemy’s utilities…All of this while still healing your team!
This is what he’s designed to do! People who hates him never played him XD
Yes, I see people who play other healers besides rocket that complain about getting dived disregard him just because he doesn’t have a defensive ult. Even though switching to him could’ve prevented dying to those dives they’re complaining about, giving the team healing instead of a sprinkle of healing every blue moon and then a long walk back to point just to do another sprinkle then die to a dive again.
For a sec I thought I got this recommended by the universe cuz I’m bad but nah I’m glad I don’t got that problem. My homies are kinda ass and sometimes I’m the one getting the MVP as Rocket. (Venom is my favorite to kill lmao)
Okay😊
This is the first shooter I've played on pc so my aim is bad but he is really good helping finishing off tanks
My biggest tip is bouncing your heal orbs. I gravitated towards him as a former Moira main and the ability to heal 2 different targets in totally different parts of the map with bouncing off map geometry is HUGE! You can also do things like spam into far away walls to ensure your team gets double healing when they bounce back.
In that first clip where you all in dashed over to your Strange to kill the Thor, you let another teammate of yours die and you werent on the point. If anything you played into the Thor's hand because he drew at least two of you physically over to him to deal with him.
Trying to do more as rocket is fine, but you have this tone in your voice that you are better than all rocket mains when you being overly aggressive isn't as impactful as you think from a strategic perspective is concerning, especially if you're conceding kills and position to the enemy team just to kill one player whose job it is to draw resources and attention from your team.
@@smoo3072 You DO make a fair point that Thor might’ve been distracting us, (I’m not trying to say that I’m perfect either) but it’s better to play with your team even if they’re making a mistake by not being on point themselves.
Unfortunately for our lone duelist, I have to admit that maybe I could’ve done something. But I (Even as rocket) can only do so much sometimes. I hate to say it, but I will almost always prioritize a dying tank over a dying duelist. (Also I had BRB active) And the star lord also distracted their Jeff from healing Thor which gave us the pick so his sacrifice wasn’t in vein.
Rocket can melt tanks if you are close enugh
In quickplay i play invis woman like sonbra😂 waiting for people to come out of spawn and sending them back, its quickplay stop flaming guys
What I hate the most is the amount of useless healing rocket can get. They do AOE slow over time healing which basically means you can’t save anyone from focus fire and burst damage. So when you get that much healing, the issue is you are stealing ult charges from your other healer who has defensive ults. In this game offensive ults are strong so you need defensive ults to counter, whcih is the biggest reason people hate rocket raccoon. In short, rocket raccon steals ult charge from other defensive ult supports by doing useless heals, and his ult does absolutely nothing.
BUT, the only time where rocket is good is when there’s triple support, or good bucky and punisher. The team up literally equates to a tiny dps ult. And in tripple support rocket can focus on dps, heals and most importantly his ult is used as offensive utility, like damage boosting namor ult, punisher ult, or whatever damage ult that can out dps healing ults. But It requires communication. His revive can actually be really useful cuz in higher levels dpses don’t just go in and die, so reviving a tank at full hp is actually massive value. But rocket is just so situational and usually another support ult is just a safer bet. Just different play styles and rocket needs more communication. Can dependent on your team to do well.
Rockets actually really nice at finishing if you have the right movement
On par with finishing off enemies as a psylocke is tbh.
I think similar message also works for any of the Marvel Rivals characters. There is more to them than just being tanks, heals and dps. I don't even understand the point of the "meta characters" tier lists. Imho all of the heroes in the game are balanced really well. What actually depends on whoever wins or loses is ultimately your skill, teamwork with your allies and how the enemy team also show themselves. There is no "gigachad main character" who can win any game all by himself. There are many different strategies, and of course united work as a team.
I agree on this. Most rocket only do 1 thing instead of 4 things. like just healing or just damage. As a strategist, you should be able to know when to heal, when to shoot, where to place your brb(where you can place it in a area that is safe and near most of the clashes happen) and finally, able to evade and go back to the area with more teammates so they can help out in destroying the harasser. There is a reason why this character has the highest win rate even in High Elo, most of the player don't know how to use it. Plus, for Punishers and Winter Soldier users, please if a good rocket has place a boost attack beacon for you, don't leave the area and maximize the FASTER FIRE RATE and Unlimited Ammo. For other players, if they have place the brb during domination starting area(Attack side), get health packs and jump boost. You may not know that it MAY give you the edge in the start of the game. Rocket users, Learn all the usage of this character.
Thank you for cooking me cause I'm not climbing enough
Good luck on your journey :)
I hope this video blows up cause I'm so fucking tired of the >1000 damage Rockets in lobbies. It's boring, it sucks for both teams, and it does our maniacal racoon a disservice
This is recipe to duelists dying somewhere in the map because you aren't searching them to heal
i just had this conversation with my rocket main friend whos on pc ( im xbox) saying how rocket can do so much more than just heal bot
Winning one-v-one and mocking another rocket?
Yeah, what a bad sportsmanship. I hope low plat in a random game is indeed your best achievement
Another person made a similar comment. It was in bad taste, It was my inner gamer coming out.
The only time I’ll try to heal-bot is if I’m injured or if I’ve been getting targeted by divers.
Otherwise, I’ll help secure kills, but I’m not quite perfect yet.
Also, I struggle to combine M1 and M2 in team fights - definitely something I should work on.
Rocket is BY FAR the best Dive support in this game along Jeff and ppl fail to realize that.
I blame all the content creators and "Pro advanced guides" for pushing this overly passive playstyle that always boils down to "Healbot, never use your gun unless to save yourself. Use your movement to escape. Your movement is meant for escape. Your gun is meant to be used defensively"
There is way more depth to this character than ppl give credit for. He is the wolverine of the supports.
imk ngl, jeff is a menace. (I won't elaborate, cause i think people know what im talking about)
The pro guides aren't 100% wrong, but they're also not 100% right. In a perfect world (Bots) every role would just do exactly what they're roped into. Tanks stand in front and just absord damage, dps damage, heals only heal. But we aren't bots, we can do devious sh*t... :)
I play rocket alot. When the team is okay, I deal with divers and flyers if they have any.
So much of Rocket's problems come from his kit and the expectations the community has of strategists. Do you know *why* people play ground rocket? Because it's the only way to realistically heal more than one person at a time. Why do rocket players want so desperately to heal more than one teammate? Because rocket's healing throughput might be the worst of the strategists for single-target healing. It's this same low healing throughput that drives the majority of rocket players into permanently healbotting: If they stop healing their allies for even a moment, those allies will probably die and flame the rocket. It's why you really only start seeing rocket's potential come out in triple heal comps where he can afford to stop healing for long stretches of time and team up with divers or peel for the other strategists.
You did land on essentially rocket's greatest strengths though: He is a master of being in the right place at the right time, and brings both damage and healing to the party depending on what the situation calls for, all while being mobile enough to essentially be unkillable.
2:52 j5tn and blacksmythy arr great examples of rocket mains
Jack of all trades master of none but still better than a master of one
Mercy mains coming from overwatch
another thing I notice Rockets dont do is place their spawn/shield point. I sometimes use it to block dmg when im in a tight spot
NotLogan? We'd played to gether
Probably. :)
I've never seen anyone utilize Rocket quite like you. Great advice and video.
Got to GM S0 and S1 using rocket as mainly a healbot. Get some kills here and there but the healbot playstyle is defo viable. For playmaking I pick cloak and I have a Smurf account that I’m learning invisible woman for a cc support option.
I've started to become more aggressive with the racoon, I was before ish but today I nearly nabbed mvp with how agressive I was, healing and taking out tanks and supports when possible... making my way to the top slowly
I believe it’s smarter to let my teammate die and focus on healing. He’ll come back seconds later due to Rockets revive machine. As a former rocket main, you can’t risk dying or you lose out on the revive which can completely turn the tables in a close game, especially if the teammate who recently died comes back with his ult. In the scenario where Thor was taking on strange/rocket; veteran players will focus on Rocket if he pushes up and then focus on the tank in most cases. This video is informative, but supports actively helping with kills rather than healing is completely situational. And sometimes even suicide.
As a rocket main I agree people complain that I'm with the Frontliners but they had 2-8 games while i get 17-5 with 23k heals.
Rocket does so much fucking damage! You can almost 1 clip any tank in the game. I don't understand why people are not agressive with him
ROCKET IS SUPPOSED TO BE A CRACKHEAD ON ROIDS MAN JUST GO IN!!!!!!
Yall tell people to "do better" but they go and die 20 times "trying to do better"😂😂😂 please dont "try to do better" in my games
Yea, if someone is dying as rocket 20 times in any game I'd think I'd be mad too. It's just that I see people not even trying once, instead just always staying their comfort zone during games.
@notlogan6482 lol, it *CAN* go both ways. I know when I go on autopilot.. my deaths rack up and I wonder why I aint doing crap😂😂
Okay but what do I do when my team constantly complains when I don’t just sit back and heal bot like I’ll actively help my Thor kill some one and he’ll turn around and go “bro wtf are you doing heal the team stop trying to get kills”
I watched the video to the end and pls dont rocket in my ranked games😊
Add me to your ignore list lol :)
spitting facts my dude. I am slowly becoming a rocket main but prior to him i was playing as Bucky and the punisher. So i add that aggressiveness on top of healing, its a crazy fun hybrid i enjoy.
Just make sure not to be too aggressive and play your main role when your team needs it. But yes, rocket go brr.
Facts I agree as someone who used rocket raccoon, I ligit kept annoying the team because they just couldn’t aim/kill me when I kept flying above the point healing/shooting.
You're missing the point. If I'm good with movements and aims, then I wouldn't be playing as Rocket.
Same. I just got my aim better and started playing mantis and have been having way more success with her since she’s way more of an offensive support
Ehh, revives and aoe healing on top of damage and movement just suit my playstyle. To each their own.
Brother you are a mid diamond peaker. There are people who hit gm or celestial with rocket doing 0 damage in the entirety of their account
It’s a problem with this character but everything he’s saying can be applied to most if not all strategists
So what? They're a drain on the team and got carried. If you play Rocket without doing damage, you either want Redditor karma or you're just not good enough at playing the character to its full potential. Reaching high ranks as a healer means nothing.
Rocket does mad dmg but the projectile speed 😢
I agree with you but I think the reason many don't is the flaming for sure not just for doing things they see as wrong but just picking him in the first place but I think part of it is his design because of the res beacon meeting him to be alive to work and not working on himself it makes you want to play more safe. But at the least if you are not going for picks cause I don't really either, at least not as deep as you do, at least shoot shields and keys he DESTROYS THEM the heal is overtime you can weave in shots and people didn't even do that. Don't get me started on the amount of people I see just throw the beacon anywhere to just be shot out.
I think I forgot to mention it in the vid but I almost never get more aggressive until my beacon is used.
@notlogan6482 oh I assumed I wasn't really saying you didn't
Hell it's something I'm working on myself if it gets used there is no reason to sit back as much. But again I agree with what you are saying I just think there's a give and take here. It doesn't help that I feel his kit does make people play him bad from the res, to the low hp, to the dashes being so good at running away but then there the fall off damage, the low mag, the slow heals, the aggressive ult that makes him kind of polarizing. That's not even considering the whole "why risk it" I mean people are scared of pushing for similar reasons people would rather do the "wrong" thing that keeps the team happy then the "right" thing that makes them mad it's funny but the brain works
@ Yea i made this video because a lot of people who play this character are afraid to step out of their comfort zone. You have to figure when the situation is fine to go and be aggro in, heck, there are games where I do just have to heal bot. But when opportunities arise, people need to know when to take them and not be afraid.
@@notlogan6482 Fair and also props to you for being able to read anything I typed because reading it back HOLY
It's a time thing I feel people will figure it out but again the stigma will always be there but I am hoping people at least do start playing him a bit better. Except No DMG Rocket I will protect him with my life even if he did 22 damage the other day
U KEEP repeating the same shit, ngl. This vid couldve been 3 minutes long without the repetitive same 3 things you kept saying
Thanks for the genuine critique, I'll try and catch myself in future videos more and shorten them down a bit.
Wait, Rocket has a GUN!?
tf2 Reference? :)
Grand Master Main Lord Rocket here w double ur hours, only shoot flying enemies, tanks and enemies pushing you, hide your res beacon high on roofs if avaliable, when getting ult by storm, psylocke,jeff etc etc double dash high up or go to nearest wall and climb, always try to comunicate w punisher and winter soldier if they are in your team for the power up, if somebody dives u like spider man dash or run towards your team and he will go away in most cases
Play behind team❌
Play behind enemy✅
I am the only Rocket Main! Ya Flarkin flark!
As your pop says, “guess ill die-die”
The guy is Right. Rocket can easily do a whole lot more because I thought he was just a Support who gave out armor😂 I didn't read his ability so I didn't know the other button was his healing. I was going in and people genuinely don't know what to do against rocket because he is very small so he is hard to hit. Press of a button so that makes him all the more better for 1v1
I like Rocket bc as an Overwatch player he reminds me of baptiste or illari. You try to weave in damage in between healing and also focus on map knowledge for brb placements. Im still trying to get better at weaving damage in while I heal, quickplay games I might get 1000 dmg on the high end atm 😅
imo: final hits > total damage. Getting kills efficiently and as quickly as possible is more important than overall damage. Ex: I'll have games where I only did 2k damage, but get 5 final hits. I took Isolated fights with people I was confident I could win against, finished them up quickly, then went straight back to healing.