This comment about a pickleball tournament sums it up for me: "The raw athletic abilities both teams are displaying is absolutely phenomenal, and something you only see in knitting magazines."
Pickleball does not require athleticism. Its a more strategic sport but not as physical. No bending to hit a dink does not make you athletic lol. I say do both that way no matter where you are you can get games in.😮
I used to be a 5.0 in tennis. It was a long road to be rated as a 5.0. I enjoyed the challenges and the workouts and the friends that helped me get there. Tennis is a sport in which one needs a love for the game and a dedication and athleticism to keep improving. And there is always a wanting to get better. That gives me an appreciation for the sport that pickle ball would not be able provide me.
Played college tennis and played my whole life. I played pickleball at a work community event and learned the rules before we started. My partner and I had never played together and she is a 3.0-3.5 tennis player. We beat the other team who play pickleball all the time. You should not be able to be the best on court the first time trying something. Tennis for the win!
So you were able to play and excel at Pickleball because you have played tennis all your life. That’s great Pickleball has almost the same strategies and movements as tennis. But I can tell you with 100% certainty that a person that’s never played either Pickleball or tennis Can pick up a pickle ball paddle and start playing almost right away and having fun. NOT True with tennis. From a person who is somewhat athletic and reasonably coordinated. I started playing tennis and pickle ball almost at the same time. I really like tennis it’s a great workout but very expensive and sometimes hard to find people to play with, and a learning curve is pretty high you need time on court. With Pickleball let’s just say it’s a lot more social fun to play and for a busy guy that works about 50 hours a week and has to also work out at the gym Pickleball fits my life just great.
Very well said Nick. The sound of pickle ball is absolutely the most annoying sound and conversely the sound Federer and Nadal striking the tennis ball is sublime. Watching Federer play is or was magic. Watching pickle ball not so much but more power to those who play. I'm a 4.0 player. I played high-school team tennis and still play 5 days a week to keep my game at a 4.0 level is work and practice and other training to stay in shape. A 4.0 doesn't want to play with a 3.0, a 5.0 doesn't want to play with me. That's life.
@Pickleball Head Good club tennis players can (and do) beat good club pickleball players after playing pickleball 5 or so times. The reverse would be 6-0, 6-0 after 50 times of playing tennis.
It's great that people are playing pickleball, which allows them to get out, move a bit, compete, keep their reflexes sharp and have fun! I tried it once, and although I didn't enjoy it, I can appreciate the sense of community it builds, especially for individuals who can't play (or choose not to play) a more physically demanding sport. I think pickleball is good for people's mental health too.
I understand your point, but we have become such a lazy society that we can't even run the length of a tennis court anymore......in 50 years will pickelball be to much exercise?
Thanks so much, for an honest assessment . Everyone is so afraid to talk about this. Tennis descends from Real Tennis and Court Tennis ... Played by royalty and the nobility across England and Europe. Pickleball began as a dog's chew toy.
That's what I thought, though I couldn't come up with a better analogy. People can just play this game in their backyard with their dog. There's no need to let the ball bounce.
In Spain and now also in Italy more and more tennis clubs are converting tennis courts into Padel courts, this is because Padel is generally played in 4 is simpler and creates much more aggregation, fun and also involves much more women, the Club Earns more than double the money with padel compared to tennis. I love tennis
I'd say the top two reasons I love tennis are: (1) it's great way to exercise (2) it's super difficult yet I am always learning and improving. Who spends hours alone on a pickleball court trying to improve their serve? Or watches slow motion videos of pros to learn from their footwork? Tennis is not "fun". It is engaging, challenging, frustrating, and fulfilling. Also, I actually like my opponent 78 feet away from me.
Lol -I spend time hitting against the wall for pickleball. I also watch videos so I can improve. I never played tennis but I am athletic. Pickle ball is fun and it does keep you moving. I like that all ages can play it and they think it’s fun ❤️. and there are always lots of people who are willing to help you get better.
Tennis remains infinitely compelling to me because of the skill ceiling - I could play for my entire life and feel there was still areas to improve on. Pickle seems like you'd have everything figured out in short order, which doesn't appeal to me.
IN DEFENSE OF PICKLEBALL: I agree wholeheartedly with all these reasons (I'm an ex-college club tennis player who recently started playing Pickleball competitively; was a 4.5 tennis player before converting), EXCEPT I think most of these arguments may not hold as true over time. Based on what I've observed, the game seems to be changing quickly and with advancements in the "sport", I think many of the same things you're seeing in tennis will develop in Pickleball (using sound for the paddles (i.e. sweet spot, or slices etc.), clothing lines to develop, playing etiquette, popular pro players, and new players that emphasize power as well as touch/feel). I love tennis, but I also love Pickleball, and to be frank, I no longer have a future in competitive tennis, so it's nice to see that I still may have a competitive future in the pro ranks of Pickleball. In my mind, the rise of Pickleball will be somewhere between tennis and ping pong; it's considered a "recreational past-time" for many, but it will be highly competitive in other places. If ping pong can be considered a legitimate racket sport, then Pickleball should be too.
I know I'm responding so late but I couldn't agree more, pickleball is so new. It'll for sure get more advanced over time and people will develop new strategies and mechanics to excel in the sport.
Only recently have I seen people playing pickle ball in person, and the sounds were different. I tuned it out because the world doesn’t revolve around me.
Mhm I play with everyone. I don’t care if they’re better or weaker. Playing weak players can be a good way to practice certain shots one wouldn’t try against serious competition.
How can you hate a sport? Do you hate squash, pop tennis, platform tennis, racquetball, table tennis, bingo, paddleball, handball, bike racing, track & field, swimming, diving? Just because you can't do it you should not hate it.
The city painted orange pickle ball lines on a couple of the tennis courts and it's irritating and bothersome. I do love playing and watching tennis in person and on TV. Another big positive for me is that my brother and son also like tennis so it's great to talk about tennis with them. We also have made a couple of big tennis trips together to the US Open and to the Masters in Cincinnati in addition to going to the US Indoor in Memphis( before it was discontinued)a lot of years since my brother lives near Memphis. Really good bonding experiences. I do have a question for you Nick and everyone. I play with a group of older guys and we have three regulars but have a difficult time getting a fourth a lot of times. Any ideas? Thanks. Enjoyed your video as usual, Nick!
People at certain levels who do not want to play people at a much lower level are not arrogant, it's just that neither side are going to get anything out of it...🤷🏿♂️
I live in Southern California, and I always see people at pickle Ball courts, and I live near Santa Barbara as well, i’ve actually seen Jimmy Connors in person a few times, because he actually lives really close to where I live, The last time I saw him was in the Whole Foods, I wanted to go up to him but I was too afraid to, i’m very socially awkward and I was afraid that I would embarrass myself in front of a tennis legend.
I agree with all points made, and each sport benefits different types of people and also people at different stages in their life. I always enjoyed all racket sports and focused mostly on badminton for some years. I got achilles tendonitis as I played a lot of badminton and didn't let myself recover. Playing pickleball does put less strain on the body, so I am able to play at a higher level than I would with tennis and badminton without reinjuring myself. So in my eyes first choice is tennis or badminton, but hey pickleball is better than not playing anything. I do miss killing it at the net which you can do at badminton and tennis.
Spot on Nick! I totally agree about the hooting and hollering by pickle ballers. I'm about 4.5 level and take tennis seriously and don't appreciate all the noise they make. I like to have fun too, but they don't have the same etiquette as tennis. It's more about fun and party time for pickle ball.
In Brazil all the trend is beach tennis everywhere, even on cities without beaches (artificial sand courts). The reasons seem to be similar: more people, more social, more women, less area needed for more courts so more profitable.
I was hitting with 2 other 4.0 players one day. They wanted to play doubles. One of the guys noticed a player sitting on a bench nearby. He said he was going over to ask the lone guy to play doubles. I thought the on the bench guy would not play with us, but a minute later he joined us for what turned out to be 2 sets. He played at a 4.0 level but made sure his side won. When he walked off after the second set one of my buddies said it was nice to play with a strong 4.0. I laughed and told him the departed player was one of the strongest players in our state and was rated 5.0.
If you don't like pickleball don't play. If you like tennis then play with someone who also plays tennis. Good luck with the latter at a public facility. Where I play there are 8 pickle ball courts and 8 tennis. more often than not all the pickle ball courts are being used and all the tennis courts are unused. Guess the pickle ball players did not get the memo about tennis being better.
Pickleball are seniors citizens friendly...everyone just can grab a paddle and able to play Pickleball right away Tennis you really need some lessons, to be able to at least be good at it. Tennis raquet are pretty heavy for older folks, not too many order folks can play Tennis Have you seen 80>90 years old plays Tennis? Not very much. Go to Pickleball tournament and you'll see a lot of 70's > 80's plays Pickleball men & women's, and they enjoyed it very much. I wish I can still play PB until I'm 90's😊
FTR, the sound of a pickleball strike is already becoming an issue for the sport and the communities where it's played. IIRC, it can be as much as 20 db louder than a tennis strike, which is 100x more sound energy (decibels are logarithmic). There was a recent article in a major media outlet, I forget which one, where this was discussed. Cities and apartments that have installed pickleball courts are getting push-back from residents because of the obnoxious sound which can easily carry over 100 meters. I think for the sports long term viability pickleball needs to find a way to deaden the paddle without changing the playability, because the noise (calling it just a 'sound' is inaccurate, imho ) is a very real problem. It's nice that it allows gimpy seniors to stay active, I'll give it that, but when I see young adults playing pickleball "seriously", tbh, it's kind of a joke. Even table tennis has more nuance and requires more skill than pickleball, which I dare say is *too easy* to learn.
@@IntuitiveTennis This email was just sent from the Beverly Hills Recreation Department (yes *that* Beverly Hills; I have a non-resident card to reserve courts there). I'll paste the main paragraph here. >>> As of June 16, 2022, pickleball play at the La Cienega Tennis Center has been moved to 2 new courts on the 2nd floor of the facility. These 2 new courts are located on courts #1 and #8, and court lining work to stripe the courts for pickleball play was completed this week to begin a 3-month pilot pickleball court relocation project. *The 2 new court locations aim to reduce the neighborhood noise impacts of pickleball play at the La Cienega Tennis Center.* These new courts are not permanently installed pickleball court locations, and the 3-month pilot pickleball court relocation project will help in the continuing effort to assess ideal pickleball court locations.
Hey nikola, Cool vídeo, as always. Couldn't agree more, especially considering the entertainment factor when you watch pickleball instead of tennis. The same happens with pàdel, I reckon. You play it with your friends, and it's good fun. You watch it, and after a little while you'd pretty much prefer check montecarlo out to enjoy some epic tennis matches. Cheers, Nicola
Your final reason - the performance-level caste system within tennis especially at the rec level - is the biggest obstacle for those who are beginners or those returning to tennis who actually want to ENJOY AND LEARN FROM THE GAME as well as doing the DRILLS. This forces many of limited means to join expensive tennis clubs and expend a lot of money - often out of fixed or low incomes - on tennis lessons just to have access for a short time to others to play. I have been in tennis leagues at only the 3.0-3.5 level where the top players in the league simply refused to play the bottom players in the SAME league because it would "not be worth my time". This has long been a serious problem for tennis.
LOL...caste system. WTF....this isn't a class warfare thing buddy. It's called skills. Either you have the skills or you don't. You probably use pronouns, too. lol
I'm a 4.0 pickleball player. I don't particularly enjoy playing with 3.0-3.5 players. But I will play a game or two. No biggie. It can still be challenging.
This is a valid point to be discussed amongst tennis fans. Where I live tennis was loosing its popularity. Courts were converted to other sports. And this lack of inclusion due to skill gap makes it even more difficult to invite people to tennis. Where I live we mostly play doubles so we mix and match the players so that everyone get a fair amount of playing time. We understand that skill gap can be an issue and fortunately the people in my tennis community tries to manage this the best way possible.
Watching tennis in person is 100x better than on TV. Even watching 5.0 matches in person can often be more fun than watching Masters 1000 on the screen
Something you didn't mention in your video is space. Pickellball courts take up a lot less room than a tennis court. As far as the actual sport I agree with everything you said. I play at 4.0/4.5 level in tennis and played pickellball for the 1st time and was happy that it was accessible and I could play with people I'd never play tennis with. I think which one is "better" depends on if you're looking to test your skills or go out and have fun with friends.
We used to play pickle all in gym class…converting a tennis court into a pickle all court is sheer disrespect for both sports in my honest opinion. The proper nets are two different heights all you really need for a pickle all court is a badminton net. Let’s stop disrespecting both games if you want to have dedicated areas for pickleball I’m fine with that but they shouldn’t be sharing the same space as a tennis court.
Pickleball is just a group within the US community that tried to start a brand new sport lol... Nothing new there tbh. It might become a recreational sport but that's about it. Similar to disc golf... fun to play for fun but as a professional sport it starts to become a joke.
I have never seen or heard pickleball in europe. Padel is killing tennis here. But padel is fun, even though I'm definitely a tennis fan. Padel is way more accessible than tennis
My town just passed a gas leaf blower prohibition, but not everybody is following the new law. At my local tennis court I was talking to a doubles partner about this and he was complaining about the new law. At least I think that's what he said - I couldn't hear well because there was a leaf blower blasting with impunity about 40 yards away. I think that pickleball interest will level off and drop after a while, once injuries start to develop. Most PB players are over 50 and have never done much in the way of exercise, a recipe for injuries. It's similar to how bowling used to be in the US, in who it attracts and the social aspect. I lived through the 70s tennis craze when courts were built everywhere. It was great for about 15 years, then some of the courts started to grow grass and were torn up. Around 2000 the number of available courts had dropped to match the need, but the intrusion of PB has caused new trouble. It's a NIMBY problem where lots of people want more PB courts, just not in their neighborhoods.
You're right, 100%. The courts of my youth are now grass. (Likely built in the 70's boom, they were concrete, and awesome.) Kind of sad, I loved those courts.
Retired and moved to a condo community in Florida, I’m 56 and in shape, I’ve been playing tennis for three days with my new friend , and out of nowhere, here comes the pickle ball advocates trying to convert me!(They’re re either old ladies, or non athletic beta males) It’s as if their jealous of tennis players athleticism!🤷🏾♂️
I don't share your points, I want to play a game just to enjoy time and to remove my stress from the week. 1) Choosing tennis because of the outfit: I dont care, I play for fun and if what your clothes are clean is enough for me, play with whatever cloth you want. 2) Ball sounds better: its not for me and I understand that pickleball sounds bad, but I just don't care. 3) Because is a gentleman way of play, I want to play fair and thats it, playing with respect of the other player is enought for me. I'll try to play pickleball next time and paddle changing from tennis, I like tennis but is too complicated to find a partner of your level and I want just to play for fun in a relaxed way and I'm not looking to play in a tournament, everyone has their own priorities.
Just because it’s “better” doesn’t mean it’s more popular, easier for casual play, and people to pickup. If you are good at tennis you will be good at pickleball. It’s the exact same thing.
Have you heard about Spec Tennis? I think this is a much better alternative to pickle ball. I’ve been playing tennis for thirty years and it’s been a bit intimidating for my girlfriend to pick up the sport. I finally broke down and bought a pickle ball set for us to play around with. However, I discovered Spec Tennis yesterday, and it seems like a much more logical alternative to pickle ball. Also, a great gateway to tennis. As my longtime coach and friend says, tennis is the king of racquet sports. It’s regrettable that pickle is taking over, but not surprising for a society that has an ever diminishing attention span.
As you get older, any sport that's played on a hard court will do damage to your body. Inevitably alot of people getting into pickleball will experienced injuries due to this. The surface alone will cause attrition in this sport. As an aging tennis player, I can attest to this.
Pickleball is to Tennis as Checkers is to Chess. One is a child’s game the other is a game of intellect and skill. Like any child’s game one is easy to learn and play, the other takes time, practice, and hard work to develop your skills. One is fun to play occasionally, the other is a game of beauty and skill, and is far more rewarding.
I’d say your ignorance is high on the game of pickleball. In terms of pure athleticism, tennis may have that over pickleball. But if you’re talking about strategy and skill ceiling, I’d say you’re ignorant in pickleball and moreover racket sports. In general racket sports have a high skill ceiling due to how easy it is to make an error in comparison to other sports. Starting pickleball is easy, but mastering it, just like tennis is difficult. Let me give you a comparison on the tennis forehand to the pickleball forehand. In tennis, you aim high and give yourself margin for error, as this makes sense, this is a racket sport it’s hard to replicate the exact stroke to perfection. In pickleball on the other hand, because the court is so small and people play at the net, you have to aim just above the net and hit with top spin so it dips below the net as it crosses. If not they will hit a sharp angle that you will probably not get back. Can you do that shot a few times? Yeah of course, but it’s really easy to miss that shot right into the net, or a little too high. The margins are tighter in pickleball even if the mechanics are easier. Now we can move onto technique, where if your forehand top spin technique is not sublime, you are hitting that shit out because the racket technology doesn’t naturally produce as much spin as a tennis racket would. This is seen with high level tennis players such as Jack sock, Quang duong, and Donald young. Even these players miss MANY shots into the net or out due to how tight the margins are.
Have you ever checked out paddle tennis?? I’m a 4.5 player and I actually enjoy playing the 4.0 or a solid 3.5 serve and volleyers so I can work on certain shots.
The sound and clothes are two of the most superficial reasons I can think of when making this argument. Also, that cheap paddle he's using does make a horrible sound when it hits the pickleball. Tennis is my number one sport, and will always be the sport I love most, and what puts food on the table for my family, but I also really enjoy playing pickleball too. This stupid (mostly one sided) rivalry between tennis and pickleball is just dumb.
Tako je Nick,u Spaniji sam igrao Paddel a to je jos gora varijanta po meni jer ima i staklo iza koje se ne racuna kao odskok loptice!Spanci bas vole ja ne!I ono sto si na kraju rekao je takodje tacno da igraci u tenisu sa jacim levelima nikada ne igraju sa onima koji su slabiji!Ima samo jedan izuzetak u svijetu a to je da ti i dalje igras sa mnom iako su mi sanse male da uzmem poen!😎😎Hvala za to Nick i puno pozdrava iz Dubai😎😎✌️
I can't hear the sound of the ball since ATP started grunting as obnoxiously as WTA. Half of my joy of watching tennis has disappeared since then and I most often mute a video between players who do. It's totally over the top. I know you think grunting is ok but it doesn't compute with the need and the joy of hearing the contact. The gentlemanship and etiquette suffers a lot from it too.
That’s true. It’s weird with grunting. Annoying when some players do it, but when Rafa does it I’m not bothered at all by it. Shows the physicality of the game.
I love tennis. Learned it as an adult and spent years to get to 3.5-4.0 level. It is a sport for the committed. I took up pickle ball recently, and got good instantly (you hit like 1970s tennis). Pickle ball doesn’t take much time to start rallying. It is not a spectator sport like tennis but wins in participation and learning curve.
I love both tennis and pickleball, and would hate to have to choose to give up one of the two forever. I'm 72, so I may not be able to cover a whole tennis court at some point when I'm less mobile, and if that happens, I'll be grateful that pickleball exists so that I can continue to play a racket sport. Their are lots of good points made in the comments. Here is my take... Pickleball is more fun, but tennis is more satisfying. For a given level of ability, you can keep the ball in play longer in pickleball than in tennis -- it's not fun to go pick up the ball. But you have to work on your strokes to play a decent game of tennis, and there's nothing like the satisfaction of playing better as a result of working hard on your strokes -- mastery is the root of the success in life, and people who enjoy mastering things are usually successful. So, I play tennis to work on my strokes (with the help of UA-cam coaching videos), and appreciate my improvement when I play tennis; but I play pickleball, using my improved strokes, to have fun. I can't enjoy my mastery if I play people with a much lower or a much higher skill level, so I seek out players at my level or a bit above. I'm happy to play with beginners to introduce them to pickleball, and coach them to better strokes if they show an interest -- but if they just want to have fun, I avoid them -- life's too short (particularly so, since I'm 72). Pickleball courts take up much less room than a tennis court, and use less resources to build. I had just enough room in my backyard, and just enough money to put in a pickleball court, whereas a tennis court would have been out of the question. The sound of a pickleball is annoying, unless you're the one playing; whereas the sound of the tennis ball is quite nice, and gives you feedback on whether you hit the ball well (a nice "pop") or not. On the other hand, the shrieks and grunts that are increasingly being used in tennis are making it an ugly sport -- if I turn on the Tennis channel and hear a shriek -- I change the channel. I'll take the sound of the pickleball over a shriek any day of the week. When I was introduced to pickleball in 1978, we just assumed that pickleball was a smaller, easier version of tennis, and hit the ball hard much of the time. This is how we were playing after ten years of practice: ua-cam.com/video/4uslEMvJ5Xs/v-deo.html But when pickleball tournaments started happening, somehow it was decided that the pinnacle of pickleball play was dinking, and that ruined pickleball for me as a spectator sport. I can't get through a single game of top pickleball players at a tournament because it's mostly boring, dink-dink-dink-dink. It's gone so far that some pickleball players disparage people who hit the ball hard by calling them "bangers", and attempts to neuter the serve have been made by changing the original 3 rules into more than a dozen that are clearly not in the original spirit of the game. If you don't play the dink game, pickleball doubles can be just as varied and interesting as tennis doubles. Stupidly -- pickleball is seen by some as the anti-tennis -- the 100-plus years of tennis stroke development is to be ignored, and pickleball-unique strokes are to be invented. What a wrong-headed waste. Every improvement I make to my tennis strokes is immediately put to use in my pickleball play. A tennis player with good strokes can quickly dominate pickleball-only players when new to the sport. I once lived across the street from a primary school, and was never annoyed by the shouts of the kids having fun at recess. I loved that they were happily playing. The equivalent noise on a pickleball court is the sound of life being lived to its fullest, and the same sounds are heard on any tennis court I play on. Their are lots of good points made in the comments. Here is my take... Pickleball is more fun, but tennis is more satisfying. For a given level of ability, you can keep the ball in play longer in pickleball than in tennis -- it's not fun to go pick up the ball. But you have to work on your strokes to play a decent game of tennis, and there's nothing like the satisfaction of playing better as a result of working hard on your strokes -- mastery is the root of the success in life, and people who enjoy mastering things are usually successful. So, I play tennis to work on my strokes (with the help of UA-cam coaching videos), and appreciate my improvement when I play tennis; but I play pickleball, using my improved strokes, to have fun. I can't enjoy my mastery if I play people with a much lower or a much higher skill level, so I seek out players at my level or a bit above. I'm happy to play with beginners to introduce them to pickleball, and coach them to better strokes if they show an interest -- but if they just want to have fun, I avoid them -- life's too short (particularly so, since I'm 72). Pickleball courts take up much less room than a tennis court, and use less resources to build. I had just enough room in my backyard, and just enough money to put in a pickleball court, whereas a tennis court would have been out of the question. The sound of a pickleball is annoying, unless you're the one playing; whereas the sound of the tennis ball is quite nice, and gives you feedback on whether you hit the ball well (a nice "pop") or not. On the other hand, the shrieks and grunts that are increasingly being used in pro tennis (and now on the local tennis courts near me) are making it an ugly sport -- if I turn on the Tennis channel and hear a shriek -- I change the channel. I'll take the sound of the pickleball over a shriek any day of the week. When I was introduced to pickleball in 1978, I just assumed that pickleball was a smaller, easier version of tennis, and hit the ball hard much of the time. This is how we were playing after ten years of practice: ua-cam.com/video/4uslEMvJ5Xs/v-deo.html But when pickleball tournaments started happening, somehow it was decided that the pinnacle of pickleball play was dinking, and that ruined the sport. I can't get through a single game of top pickleball players at a tournament because it's mostly boring, dink-dink-dink-dink. It's gone so far that some pickleball players disparage people who hit the ball hard by calling them "bangers". If you don't play the dink game, pickleball doubles can be just as varied and interesting as tennis doubles. Stupidly -- pickleball is seen by some as the anti-tennis -- the 100-plus years of tennis stroke development is to be ignored, and pickleball-unique strokes are to be invented. What a wrong-headed waste. Every improvement I make to my tennis strokes is immediately put to use in my pickleball play. A tennis player with good strokes can quickly dominate pickleball-only players, when a tennis player is new to the sport. I once lived across the street from a primary school, and was never annoyed by the shouts of the kids having fun at recess. I loved that they were happily playing. The equivalent noise on a pickleball court is the sound of life being lived to its fullest, and the same sounds are heard on any tennis court I play on.
"Pickleball is more fun, but tennis is more satisfying". That is the KEY word. BTW, the length of your comment probably is the longest (or top ten) on UA-cam channel. 👋👍
I didn't have a chance to play pickleball in Auckland but played some badminton. I was able to play reasonably good (after several months when my technique became more adequate) to sometimes beat guys who were learning badminton as children. Mostly because of stamina but I feel like playing tennis makes other racquet sports easier for you. I also really enjoy tennis in New Zealand. Ranking system, lots of tournaments, interclub matches. Much better compared to what I had in Ukraine where I'm originally from. But I have to take private lessons to improve so it's expensive.
Nick, you have some good observations on tennis vs pickleball, but I think you and others have to go deeper. Just as I would play tennis with someone close to my skill level (say it is 4.5); because I,too would like competitive matches. It is too easy to go 6-0 vs 3.0 and 3.5. The case for pickleball will be that there are levels of players, too. Everybody can play socially together, where the stronger players can "tone" it down for the weaker players; but a 4.5/5.0 pickleball player will easily beat a 3.0/3.5 player. Thus, eventually, the higher level players will seek out equal level (4.5/5.0 ) players for competitive matches via tournaments. To achieve the higher levels, a lot of practice and drilling is needed as in tennis to become successful. It is very hard to pass a good player at the net since the ball might only go 40-60 mph. (In tennis it could go 80 plus mph). Still, good strokes, good volley skills, soft game skills, and proper practice will take a good tennis player to a good pickleball level (4.5 to 5.0).
Why dont they just call it whiffle tennis. It could be a practice version of the game of tennis like whiffle ball baseball. It doesn't have to be it's own game. It can just be like mini tennis. This can get people looking for a greater challenge, into tennis. Thus, I think pickleball actually introduces more people to tennis.
Thinking some of the movement towards tennis at least at the junior level was due to the pandemic restrictions when a lot of the team sports like soccer and baseball were shut down.
If people want to play pickleball since it has such a low barrier to entry and rather low skilled relative to other racket sports, so be it. I just really don't like combining tennis courts with pickleball. At least keep them separate. Nothing is worse than showing up to a court for tennis practice only to have them all occupied with pickleball. Such a waste of a tennis court :). Same as a tennis court with basketball hoops on it.
I enjoy pickleball but understand why people prefer tennis. Tennis is far more athletic and skilled and you need to put a LOT of work in to just become ok at it, whilst you can pick up pickleball after two or three practices, but I would imagine that means that becoming good at tennis is much more rewarding than becoming good at pickleball. Tennis is much more exciting to watch as well, but pickleball is more accessible and social which is ultimately why it’s becoming popular.
Agreed on the pickleball sound, it's so annoying! Even worse is it's DISTRACTING when people are playing pickleball next to a tennis court and you're trying to play a tennis match.
Pickle ball is enjoyable for gainers and non athletes since it has a low skill requirement. Tennis is much deeper and you can spend your whole life working on your game and strikes to improve. That makes tennis a more worthwhile investment to me.
I played tennis at the open level for years. Just started playing pickleball though, and I find it much more dynamic. Before I played pickleball I thought it looked like a silly game, but after trying it I changed my thoughts about it. If you haven't played both then you're opinion is invalid. That would be like a boxer saying boxing is better than MMA, but the boxer never tried MMA. Try pickleball first then gives us a objective opinion!
I wish tennis allowed shorter players to come closer to the net when serving. So that mathematically a 5'4'' player has same chances of hitting ace serves as 6'5'' player. This would make it a lot more inclusive. And yeah pickleball is for retiree communities.
Here where I live in Cincinnati pickleballers are destroying our tennis courts by lowering the nets on public courts. So we get to the courts and they are useless. Makes me angry.
I love all racquet sports. Tennis is the best spectator sport from the racquet sports. I would never watch pickleball on TV. Tennis has the highest learning curve of the racquet sports, at least from my experience.
I play both..HOWEVER.....it seems Tennis has become what racquetball has become. In Florida the Tennis courts are usually empty, PB courts on the other hand there typically is a queue to play. PB IMHO is more social and to be a 3.5 player usually only takes a few months, if you are coming from a tennis background.
At the age of 60 yes I agree tennis requires more athleticism Duh!!! You are losing ground to pickleball and the community of pickleball is growing where as tennis seems to be in the decline because pickleball is more fun period.
personally, I like tennis because its a little more challenging, in that once you get OK at it you feel a greater sense of accomplishment, like you picked up a skill (not to say PB is skill-less). At the same time, it's not so hard that it forever remains frustrating.. you put in the effort and you are rewarded.. for me this is not the case with golf which I will forever suck at, seemingly no matter what. So it's accessible, yet not too easy that it's still rewarding. Oh another thing about me.. im not that social lol
I play at a club in offseason. They have a seperate set of courts for just pickleball, and when I walk past it to enter the main wing; I kid you not I hear MUSIC and loud screaming and when I walk into the tennis wing its silent with classical music playing in the lobby.
Why do tennis players seem to constantly want to say that tennis is “better”? They are so insecure! So baseball is better than softball, I guess right? Do you go around telling people who play recreational softball that they are playing a lesser sport? There is no need to compare games. Playing pickleball is easier, cheaper, and more accessible for most. If you prefer to play tennis go for it. Leave pickleball alone.
8:40 I disagree with you slightly on this. Yes, a professional player will beat an amateur pretty much all the time, and likewise a 5.0 vs 3.0. However, I don't think this is an excuse to refuse to play them altogether. And I don't think this is healthy for the sport. I practice a sport that is similarly skewed in skill (fencing). In fencing, we have a similar rating system to tennis, but we use letters going from U-E-D-B-C-A with U or unranked being the lowest and A being the highest. I'm currently a 'B' in foil (which I would estimate is like a 5.0 in tennis approximately) and I often go to tournaments with people who are rated lower (sometimes even unranked). A lot of these people are usually very talented, but new to the sport. Even though I win every single bout, I always have these lower ranked players talk to me after pools and try and get my opinion on where they were making mistakes and how they could improve. Similarly, I've gone to summer nationals in fencing where I've gone up against really top-class fencers. And again, while I lost handily to them, I made contacts, exchanged notes and received valuable advise. This is extremely healthy for the sport. It's a *good* thing that lower ranked fencers can potentially walk up to Div I or even a professional fencer at a NAC and go up against them. It's not insulting or a waste of the better fencer's time. Nor is it the case that an E worked less hard than an A. I started fencing at 10, not many people had that opportunity, but I respect people who start in adulthood and train hard. It's not 'beneath' me to fence them. I fully understand your point, but I think it's healthy for tennis if there wasn't such rigid limits on who can play against whom.
To each his own....those are shallow and condescending reasons why tennis is "better". Really? Sound of ball, cooler clothes, the snotty etiquette doesn't makes it "better"...those are just products of the game that came from the "upper class" and heavily promoted for decades. Pickleball is so much more fun (making it loud and boisterous which you look down on), more accessible to the masses (which doesn't require "elite" lessons and work that few have access to) and a lot easier to find people at your own skill level to play (where tennis is far behind on). So, for those the reasons (fun, accessible, easier finding others to play) I find pickleball to be so much better than trying to play tennis (gave up trying to learn tennis years ago as it was too much work trying to get better and mostly not finding anyone who wants to play as it's just as frustrating to them). If you have the tennis skills and can regularly have someone to play with....good for you. As for me because it's easier to learn and play pickleball, I can really get into the games without having the frustrations of having to master the skills like in tennis. That's why it's popularity is exploding and tennis snots need to resort to condescending "elitist" comments to say tennis is "better" to hold back the onslaught of pickleball taking over underused tennis courts.
Weak arguments Nick! The sound is better? The clothes are better? PB being more fun is a disadvantage? Wow. You prefer tennis because you play tennis, and that's about it. I like to watch pro tennis also (it's definitely NOT the best spectator sport), but it gets boring and we usually watch most of the first set, then fast forward to the last few games of the last set. The fast/slow nature of PB is very fun to watch; dink, dink, then suddenly smash, smash, smash, then reset to dinking, etc. BTW, I played tennis for 30 years and I'll never go back. PB is just too much fun, and WAY more social. If these are the best arguments you can come up with, watch out, because PB is coming soon to a tennis court near you.
Maybe a better way to justify the “cockiness” would have been to say that it’s hard to sustain a fun rally against a weaker player. Simply calling it a waste of time does come off as arrogant and dismissive
Tennis is a better game at first. There is a however though. When I was younger I got timed at 117 on my serve. I had very good quickness and could hit a very good slice and top spin forehand etc.. I am now 61 and my hip can't take being on a court that long. Also I teach and coach tennis and it is starting to be less fun. My skill level will is going down hill and if I cant play like I used to therefore I will not enjoy it as much. Federer is done. Nadal is almost done and the guys I liked no longer play. Things change. That is why I gravel and mtb and will start playing golf again. Probably pickleball as well. I see tennis going away for me.
but pickleball is closest to tennis than say badminton, squash or any other racket sports .. if for whatever reason i can't play tennis anymore. i'd surely pickup a paddle
I have no problem with Pickleball as a fun recreation. However it seems like a weak sport, combining the worst aspects of Tennis and Pingpong. There is very little running in Pickleball; quite the opposite of Tennis, so that you don't need to be terribly fit. Also, while Pickleball is essentially a large Pingpong game, the pace is much slower so that you don't need the lightning-fast reactions of a Pingpong player. So Pickleball is basically a pastime for people who do not want to exert themselves. I guess that is the vast majority of modern Americans.
20 years of Tennis, 2 years of Pickleball, plenty of strong feelings about this argument but this is a Wendys so I'm trying to keep it brief: Sound - kind of agree but this is a petty reason for a point to Tennis Clothes - awful reason to include and anyone who unironically feels this way is a superficial prick Tennis etiquette - i myself prefer a solemn (or "gentlemanly" as you call it) attitude during a game, so i can concede this Fun factor - low skill floor is never a bad thing and strong fundamentals are just as important for competitive pickleball Pro - this is entirely subjective and cannot be considered as a reason to support your argument Finding people to play with: - you can fit 8 pickleball players in a space where you'd only have room for 4 tennis players; that does not bode well for tennis - pickleball players are generally more inviting because it is vital for its growth; it doesn't have the history and resources that tennis has (yet, at least) - i respect and empathize with your need to play with players at your level (it is a struggle i experience regularly) but i also acknowledge that growth is more important at this stage I watched this video because I expected it to talk more about mechanical differences between the two sports, but it sounds like you don't know enough about Pickleball to have an informed opinion. Everything you talked about is either superficial or subjective, and there are plenty of *objective* reasons why Pickleball is better (lower impact for less risk of injury, takes up less space, easier to get into, to name a few.) I genuinely hope that one day, Pickleball becomes the mainstream sport while Tennis fades into obscurity, and I say that as someone who wanted to be a professional Tennis player as a kid.
9:55 I've always found this to be foolish. How can one get better if the higher rated players never play against them? You can only do so much in practice. If that were true everyone would be a professional.
Great video, even with the obvious bias. The sound part is not so relevant when you consider the grunting of tennis. And overall there really isn’t any real relevance to any of the points. Pickleball has an easier entry, is more addictive and more accessible to a wider range of participants. Tennis is not a sustainable hobby for the average income, especially in this economical climate. So if your argument is, “just don’t be poor,” then that’s not realistic. Bottom line, tennis courts are being converted to pickleball courts for a reason. If you can’t beat ‘em…
Your last point is 100% the most important gripe I have with Pickleball. The others I don’t really care for as it’s kind of just an individuals opinion. But the fact that Pickleball courts use tennis courts is just a massive problem. Pickleballers need their own place to play!
Pickleball is such a huge problem for tennis players and basketball players as well. They are converting our courts to pickleball courts and it leaves tennis players and basketball players completely empty handed. The cities are doing a disservice for everyone that doesn’t play Pickleball on hard surfaces. They need to create Pickelball courts for only Pickelball and stop converting our tennis courts and basketball courts.
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This comment about a pickleball tournament sums it up for me: "The raw athletic abilities both teams are displaying is absolutely phenomenal, and something you only see in knitting magazines."
That's funny
"First they ignore you, then they mock you, then they fight you, and then you win." Goodbye tennis, hello pickleball. 😜
@@Brbrutfdcssf Pickleball courts sit empty in my town, but there's no denying pickleball is a huge success elsewhere.
Pickleball does not require athleticism. Its a more strategic sport but not as physical. No bending to hit a dink does not make you athletic lol. I say do both that way no matter where you are you can get games in.😮
Lol pickle ball is tennis for the nursing home
I used to be a 5.0 in tennis. It was a long road to be rated as a 5.0. I enjoyed the challenges and the workouts and the friends that helped me get there. Tennis is a sport in which one needs a love for the game and a dedication and athleticism to keep improving. And there is always a wanting to get better. That gives me an appreciation for the sport that pickle ball would not be able provide me.
Played college tennis and played my whole life. I played pickleball at a work community event and learned the rules before we started. My partner and I had never played together and she is a 3.0-3.5 tennis player. We beat the other team who play pickleball all the time. You should not be able to be the best on court the first time trying something. Tennis for the win!
Bwahahahahah xd
Can’t agree more!
So you were able to play and excel at Pickleball because you have played tennis all your life. That’s great Pickleball has almost the same strategies and movements as tennis. But I can tell you with 100% certainty that a person that’s never played either Pickleball or tennis Can pick up a pickle ball paddle and start playing almost right away and having fun. NOT True with tennis. From a person who is somewhat athletic and reasonably coordinated. I started playing tennis and pickle ball almost at the same time. I really like tennis it’s a great workout but very expensive and sometimes hard to find people to play with, and a learning curve is pretty high you need time on court. With Pickleball let’s just say it’s a lot more social fun to play and for a busy guy that works about 50 hours a week and has to also work out at the gym Pickleball fits my life just great.
@@madmax6654 lol I work 70 hours a week still play tennis 3 times a week , pickle ball is wuss id rather play table tennis lol
@@madmax6654 agree...I'm a 4.5 tennis player and to maintain that there is no time for other hobbies
Very well said Nick. The sound of pickle ball is absolutely the most annoying sound and conversely the sound Federer and Nadal striking the tennis ball is sublime. Watching Federer play is or was magic. Watching pickle ball not so much but more power to those who play. I'm a 4.0 player. I played high-school team tennis and still play 5 days a week to keep my game at a 4.0 level is work and practice and other training to stay in shape. A 4.0 doesn't want to play with a 3.0, a 5.0 doesn't want to play with me.
That's life.
Wait, I'm confused. Are you talking about pickleball or tennis? Because it's true for both sports.
Lets not forget the sound of men and women grunting so loudly that my wife wonders what I’m watching. 😂
@Pickleball Head Good club tennis players can (and do) beat good club pickleball players after playing pickleball 5 or so times. The reverse would be 6-0, 6-0 after 50 times of playing tennis.
It's great that people are playing pickleball, which allows them to get out, move a bit, compete, keep their reflexes sharp and have fun! I tried it once, and although I didn't enjoy it, I can appreciate the sense of community it builds, especially for individuals who can't play (or choose not to play) a more physically demanding sport. I think pickleball is good for people's mental health too.
I understand your point, but we have become such a lazy society that we can't even run the length of a tennis court anymore......in 50 years will pickelball be to much exercise?
Thanks so much, for an honest assessment . Everyone is so afraid to talk about this. Tennis descends from Real Tennis and Court Tennis ... Played by royalty and the nobility across England and Europe. Pickleball began as a dog's chew toy.
That's what I thought, though I couldn't come up with a better analogy. People can just play this game in their backyard with their dog. There's no need to let the ball bounce.
Hi from Yemen.. I like the way you train and the way you explain each and every step.. My regards
In Spain and now also in Italy more and more tennis clubs are converting tennis courts into Padel courts, this is because Padel is generally played in 4 is simpler and creates much more aggregation, fun and also involves much more women, the Club Earns more than double the money with padel compared to tennis. I love tennis
I'd say the top two reasons I love tennis are: (1) it's great way to exercise (2) it's super difficult yet I am always learning and improving. Who spends hours alone on a pickleball court trying to improve their serve? Or watches slow motion videos of pros to learn from their footwork? Tennis is not "fun". It is engaging, challenging, frustrating, and fulfilling. Also, I actually like my opponent 78 feet away from me.
Lol -I spend time hitting against the wall for pickleball. I also watch videos so I can improve. I never played tennis but I am athletic. Pickle ball is fun and it does keep you moving. I like that all ages can play it and they think it’s fun ❤️. and there are always lots of people who are willing to help you get better.
I think you said it best. Tennis is not "fun".
That being said, I am gonna go play pickleball now FOR FUN
Tennis is a beautiful and very intelligent sport, it requires dedication and talent to learn its complexity.
Tennis remains infinitely compelling to me because of the skill ceiling - I could play for my entire life and feel there was still areas to improve on. Pickle seems like you'd have everything figured out in short order, which doesn't appeal to me.
What if things aren't as they seem?
@@pickleballhead6957 When people have that idea you're foisting, they are usually wrong. #facts
In any case, see the comment from Brad Knick above. *The score tells the tale* in any sport; I challenge you to differ on that.
Yeah if you are a 4.0 or higher tennis player you can pick up pickleball pretty quickly.
IN DEFENSE OF PICKLEBALL: I agree wholeheartedly with all these reasons (I'm an ex-college club tennis player who recently started playing Pickleball competitively; was a 4.5 tennis player before converting), EXCEPT I think most of these arguments may not hold as true over time. Based on what I've observed, the game seems to be changing quickly and with advancements in the "sport", I think many of the same things you're seeing in tennis will develop in Pickleball (using sound for the paddles (i.e. sweet spot, or slices etc.), clothing lines to develop, playing etiquette, popular pro players, and new players that emphasize power as well as touch/feel). I love tennis, but I also love Pickleball, and to be frank, I no longer have a future in competitive tennis, so it's nice to see that I still may have a competitive future in the pro ranks of Pickleball. In my mind, the rise of Pickleball will be somewhere between tennis and ping pong; it's considered a "recreational past-time" for many, but it will be highly competitive in other places. If ping pong can be considered a legitimate racket sport, then Pickleball should be too.
I know I'm responding so late but I couldn't agree more, pickleball is so new. It'll for sure get more advanced over time and people will develop new strategies and mechanics to excel in the sport.
Only recently have I seen people playing pickle ball in person, and the sounds were different. I tuned it out because the world doesn’t revolve around me.
Mhm I play with everyone.
I don’t care if they’re better or weaker.
Playing weak players can be a good way to practice certain shots one wouldn’t try against serious competition.
You sound like a pickleball player.
Bless you my friend. Tennis needs people like you.
I love tennis and hate pickleball. But to hear Coach say "drip" was sheer perfection. Love it.
How can you hate a sport? Do you hate squash, pop tennis, platform tennis, racquetball, table tennis, bingo, paddleball, handball, bike racing, track & field, swimming, diving? Just because you can't do it you should not hate it.
@@offthefront7537who said he cant do it?
Pickle ball is basically a drinking game that a few losers decided to take seriously.
Tennis players are absolutely SEETHING at the fact that pickleball is not only more fun, but also more popular than tennis.
The city painted orange pickle ball lines on a couple of the tennis courts and it's irritating and bothersome.
I do love playing and watching tennis in person and on TV. Another big positive for me is that my brother and son also like tennis so it's great to talk about tennis with them. We also have made a couple of big tennis trips together to the US Open and to the Masters in Cincinnati in addition to going to the US Indoor in Memphis( before it was discontinued)a lot of years since my brother lives near Memphis. Really good bonding experiences.
I do have a question for you Nick and everyone. I play with a group of older guys and we have three regulars but have a difficult time getting a fourth a lot of times. Any ideas? Thanks.
Enjoyed your video as usual, Nick!
Pickleball is what you call celebrating mediocrity
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People at certain levels who do not want to play people at a much lower level are not arrogant, it's just that neither side are going to get anything out of it...🤷🏿♂️
I live in Southern California, and I always see people at pickle Ball courts, and I live near Santa Barbara as well, i’ve actually seen Jimmy Connors in person a few times, because he actually lives really close to where I live, The last time I saw him was in the Whole Foods, I wanted to go up to him but I was too afraid to, i’m very socially awkward and I was afraid that I would embarrass myself in front of a tennis legend.
I agree with all points made, and each sport benefits different types of people and also people at different stages in their life. I always enjoyed all racket sports and focused mostly on badminton for some years. I got achilles tendonitis as I played a lot of badminton and didn't let myself recover. Playing pickleball does put less strain on the body, so I am able to play at a higher level than I would with tennis and badminton without reinjuring myself. So in my eyes first choice is tennis or badminton, but hey pickleball is better than not playing anything. I do miss killing it at the net which you can do at badminton and tennis.
Spot on Nick! I totally agree about the hooting and hollering by pickle ballers. I'm about 4.5 level and take tennis seriously and don't appreciate all the noise they make. I like to have fun too, but they don't have the same etiquette as tennis. It's more about fun and party time for pickle ball.
In Brazil all the trend is beach tennis everywhere, even on cities without beaches (artificial sand courts). The reasons seem to be similar: more people, more social, more women, less area needed for more courts so more profitable.
Agree 100% Thanks Nick!
Yes Nik, I have TC+ running at my house all day as well. If I cannot get on the court then at least I can study the sport and watch the pros.
I was hitting with 2 other 4.0 players one day. They wanted to play doubles. One of the guys noticed a player sitting on a bench nearby. He said he was going over to ask the lone guy to play doubles. I thought the on the bench guy would not play with us, but a minute later he joined us for what turned out to be 2 sets. He played at a 4.0 level but made sure his side won. When he walked off after the second set one of my buddies said it was nice to play with a strong 4.0. I laughed and told him the departed player was one of the strongest players in our state and was rated 5.0.
Poker is a way better sport because weaker players are welcomed with open arms. 🤪🤣👏
I agree 100% with all the points in this video
If you don't like pickleball don't play. If you like tennis then play with someone who also plays tennis. Good luck with the latter at a public facility. Where I play there are 8 pickle ball courts and 8 tennis. more often than not all the pickle ball courts are being used and all the tennis courts are unused. Guess the pickle ball players did not get the memo about tennis being better.
I love tennis. Everything about pickle ball is annoying. The sound, the closeness of the people, the name!
Pickleball are seniors citizens friendly...everyone just can grab a paddle and able to play Pickleball right away
Tennis you really need some lessons, to be able to at least be good at it.
Tennis raquet are pretty heavy for older folks, not too many order folks can play Tennis
Have you seen 80>90 years old plays Tennis? Not very much.
Go to Pickleball tournament and you'll see a lot of 70's > 80's plays Pickleball men & women's, and they enjoyed it very much.
I wish I can still play PB until I'm 90's😊
Any sport like pickleball that involves a kitchen is NOT for me.
FTR, the sound of a pickleball strike is already becoming an issue for the sport and the communities where it's played. IIRC, it can be as much as 20 db louder than a tennis strike, which is 100x more sound energy (decibels are logarithmic). There was a recent article in a major media outlet, I forget which one, where this was discussed.
Cities and apartments that have installed pickleball courts are getting push-back from residents because of the obnoxious sound which can easily carry over 100 meters. I think for the sports long term viability pickleball needs to find a way to deaden the paddle without changing the playability, because the noise (calling it just a 'sound' is inaccurate, imho ) is a very real problem.
It's nice that it allows gimpy seniors to stay active, I'll give it that, but when I see young adults playing pickleball "seriously", tbh, it's kind of a joke. Even table tennis has more nuance and requires more skill than pickleball, which I dare say is *too easy* to learn.
Super interesting. Thank you 🙏
@@IntuitiveTennis This email was just sent from the Beverly Hills Recreation Department (yes *that* Beverly Hills; I have a non-resident card to reserve courts there). I'll paste the main paragraph here.
>>> As of June 16, 2022, pickleball play at the La Cienega Tennis Center has been moved to 2 new courts on the 2nd floor of the facility. These 2 new courts are located on courts #1 and #8, and court lining work to stripe the courts for pickleball play was completed this week to begin a 3-month pilot pickleball court relocation project. *The 2 new court locations aim to reduce the neighborhood noise impacts of pickleball play at the La Cienega Tennis Center.* These new courts are not permanently installed pickleball court locations, and the 3-month pilot pickleball court relocation project will help in the continuing effort to assess ideal pickleball court locations.
Hey nikola,
Cool vídeo, as always. Couldn't agree more, especially considering the entertainment factor when you watch pickleball instead of tennis. The same happens with pàdel, I reckon. You play it with your friends, and it's good fun. You watch it, and after a little while you'd pretty much prefer check montecarlo out to enjoy some epic tennis matches.
Cheers,
Nicola
Thank you Nicola
Your final reason - the performance-level caste system within tennis especially at the rec level - is the biggest obstacle for those who are beginners or those returning to tennis who actually want to ENJOY AND LEARN FROM THE GAME as well as doing the DRILLS. This forces many of limited means to join expensive tennis clubs and expend a lot of money - often out of fixed or low incomes - on tennis lessons just to have access for a short time to others to play. I have been in tennis leagues at only the 3.0-3.5 level where the top players in the league simply refused to play the bottom players in the SAME league because it would "not be worth my time". This has long been a serious problem for tennis.
LOL...caste system. WTF....this isn't a class warfare thing buddy. It's called skills. Either you have the skills or you don't. You probably use pronouns, too. lol
@@VL1975 Thank you for making my point, including arrogance and insults. I could not have done it better.
I'm a 4.0 pickleball player. I don't particularly enjoy playing with 3.0-3.5 players. But I will play a game or two. No biggie. It can still be challenging.
@@VL1975 the irony of there being a pronoun in that sentence…
This is a valid point to be discussed amongst tennis fans. Where I live tennis was loosing its popularity. Courts were converted to other sports. And this lack of inclusion due to skill gap makes it even more difficult to invite people to tennis. Where I live we mostly play doubles so we mix and match the players so that everyone get a fair amount of playing time. We understand that skill gap can be an issue and fortunately the people in my tennis community tries to manage this the best way possible.
I love tennis!
Watching tennis in person is 100x better than on TV. Even watching 5.0 matches in person can often be more fun than watching Masters 1000 on the screen
In a way, I play tennis because it IS tough, the challenge is and the workout.
Something you didn't mention in your video is space. Pickellball courts take up a lot less room than a tennis court. As far as the actual sport I agree with everything you said. I play at 4.0/4.5 level in tennis and played pickellball for the 1st time and was happy that it was accessible and I could play with people I'd never play tennis with. I think which one is "better" depends on if you're looking to test your skills or go out and have fun with friends.
We used to play pickle all in gym class…converting a tennis court into a pickle all court is sheer disrespect for both sports in my honest opinion. The proper nets are two different heights all you really need for a pickle all court is a badminton net. Let’s stop disrespecting both games if you want to have dedicated areas for pickleball I’m fine with that but they shouldn’t be sharing the same space as a tennis court.
Pickleball is just a group within the US community that tried to start a brand new sport lol... Nothing new there tbh. It might become a recreational sport but that's about it. Similar to disc golf... fun to play for fun but as a professional sport it starts to become a joke.
I have never seen or heard pickleball in europe. Padel is killing tennis here. But padel is fun, even though I'm definitely a tennis fan. Padel is way more accessible than tennis
I understand there're levels of players. I still think players with different levels should play together if it's hard to find partners.
My town just passed a gas leaf blower prohibition, but not everybody is following the new law. At my local tennis court I was talking to a doubles partner about this and he was complaining about the new law. At least I think that's what he said - I couldn't hear well because there was a leaf blower blasting with impunity about 40 yards away. I think that pickleball interest will level off and drop after a while, once injuries start to develop. Most PB players are over 50 and have never done much in the way of exercise, a recipe for injuries. It's similar to how bowling used to be in the US, in who it attracts and the social aspect.
I lived through the 70s tennis craze when courts were built everywhere. It was great for about 15 years, then some of the courts started to grow grass and were torn up. Around 2000 the number of available courts had dropped to match the need, but the intrusion of PB has caused new trouble. It's a NIMBY problem where lots of people want more PB courts, just not in their neighborhoods.
You're right, 100%. The courts of my youth are now grass. (Likely built in the 70's boom, they were concrete, and awesome.) Kind of sad, I loved those courts.
Retired and moved to a condo community in Florida, I’m 56 and in shape, I’ve been playing tennis for three days with my new friend , and out of nowhere, here comes the pickle ball advocates trying to convert me!(They’re re either old ladies, or non athletic beta males) It’s as if their jealous of tennis players athleticism!🤷🏾♂️
I don't share your points, I want to play a game just to enjoy time and to remove my stress from the week.
1) Choosing tennis because of the outfit: I dont care, I play for fun and if what your clothes are clean is enough for me, play with whatever cloth you want.
2) Ball sounds better: its not for me and I understand that pickleball sounds bad, but I just don't care.
3)
Because is a gentleman way of play, I want to play fair and thats it, playing with respect of the other player is enought for me.
I'll try to play pickleball next time and paddle changing from tennis, I like tennis but is too complicated to find a partner of your level and I want just to play for fun in a relaxed way and I'm not looking to play in a tournament, everyone has their own priorities.
Just because it’s “better” doesn’t mean it’s more popular, easier for casual play, and people to pickup. If you are good at tennis you will be good at pickleball. It’s the exact same thing.
I’m a die hard tennis fan, too. You want speed, play badminton, too.
I’m totally down for some badminton. Not at all interested in Pball.
Have you heard about Spec Tennis? I think this is a much better alternative to pickle ball. I’ve been playing tennis for thirty years and it’s been a bit intimidating for my girlfriend to pick up the sport.
I finally broke down and bought a pickle ball set for us to play around with.
However, I discovered Spec Tennis yesterday, and it seems like a much more logical alternative to pickle ball. Also, a great gateway to tennis.
As my longtime coach and friend says, tennis is the king of racquet sports. It’s regrettable that pickle is taking over, but not surprising for a society that has an ever diminishing attention span.
As you get older, any sport that's played on a hard court will do damage to your body. Inevitably alot of people getting into pickleball will experienced injuries due to this. The surface alone will cause attrition in this sport. As an aging tennis player, I can attest to this.
Pickleball is to Tennis as Checkers is to Chess. One is a child’s game the other is a game of intellect and skill. Like any child’s game one is easy to learn and play, the other takes time, practice, and hard work to develop your skills. One is fun to play occasionally, the other is a game of beauty and skill, and is far more rewarding.
I’d say your ignorance is high on the game of pickleball. In terms of pure athleticism, tennis may have that over pickleball. But if you’re talking about strategy and skill ceiling, I’d say you’re ignorant in pickleball and moreover racket sports. In general racket sports have a high skill ceiling due to how easy it is to make an error in comparison to other sports.
Starting pickleball is easy, but mastering it, just like tennis is difficult. Let me give you a comparison on the tennis forehand to the pickleball forehand. In tennis, you aim high and give yourself margin for error, as this makes sense, this is a racket sport it’s hard to replicate the exact stroke to perfection. In pickleball on the other hand, because the court is so small and people play at the net, you have to aim just above the net and hit with top spin so it dips below the net as it crosses. If not they will hit a sharp angle that you will probably not get back.
Can you do that shot a few times? Yeah of course, but it’s really easy to miss that shot right into the net, or a little too high. The margins are tighter in pickleball even if the mechanics are easier. Now we can move onto technique, where if your forehand top spin technique is not sublime, you are hitting that shit out because the racket technology doesn’t naturally produce as much spin as a tennis racket would.
This is seen with high level tennis players such as Jack sock, Quang duong, and Donald young. Even these players miss MANY shots into the net or out due to how tight the margins are.
Have you ever checked out paddle tennis?? I’m a 4.5 player and I actually enjoy playing the 4.0 or a solid 3.5 serve and volleyers so I can work on certain shots.
Have not but I want to
im a pickleball guy, but he's right about the drip factor in tennis
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Tennis is the number one sport of all time, nothing else comes even close!
I agree
I would argue golf.
@@pickleballhead6957 nope
The sound and clothes are two of the most superficial reasons I can think of when making this argument. Also, that cheap paddle he's using does make a horrible sound when it hits the pickleball. Tennis is my number one sport, and will always be the sport I love most, and what puts food on the table for my family, but I also really enjoy playing pickleball too. This stupid (mostly one sided) rivalry between tennis and pickleball is just dumb.
Tako je Nick,u Spaniji sam igrao Paddel a to je jos gora varijanta po meni jer ima i staklo iza koje se ne racuna kao odskok loptice!Spanci bas vole ja ne!I ono sto si na kraju rekao je takodje tacno da igraci u tenisu sa jacim levelima nikada ne igraju sa onima koji su slabiji!Ima samo jedan izuzetak u svijetu a to je da ti i dalje igras sa mnom iako su mi sanse male da uzmem poen!😎😎Hvala za to Nick i puno pozdrava iz Dubai😎😎✌️
😂😂 🙌🙌 posalji slike iz dubaia i ovo ljeto igramo
Tennis will always be more challenging and better for your health. I’m happy to see 80 year old people still playing tennis at my club.
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I can't hear the sound of the ball since ATP started grunting as obnoxiously as WTA. Half of my joy of watching tennis has disappeared since then and I most often mute a video between players who do. It's totally over the top. I know you think grunting is ok but it doesn't compute with the need and the joy of hearing the contact. The gentlemanship and etiquette suffers a lot from it too.
Oh Jesus, grow some fucking balls
That’s true. It’s weird with grunting. Annoying when some players do it, but when Rafa does it I’m not bothered at all by it. Shows the physicality of the game.
@@IntuitiveTennis rather it shows you’re a fan, I’ve learned to tune it out but I still prefer to not hear it.
Pickleball is cringe.
I’m here for the analysis/opinion, but I stayed for the way You pronounce “pick-a-bol “. There’s just the right level of disdain in it 😂
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Finding good tennis partners that match and challenge your skill level well can be
hard.
I love tennis. Learned it as an adult and spent years to get to 3.5-4.0 level. It is a sport for the committed. I took up pickle ball recently, and got good instantly (you hit like 1970s tennis). Pickle ball doesn’t take much time to start rallying. It is not a spectator sport like tennis but wins in participation and learning curve.
I love both tennis and pickleball, and would hate to have to choose to give up one of the two forever. I'm 72, so I may not be able to cover a whole tennis court at some point when I'm less mobile, and if that happens, I'll be grateful that pickleball exists so that I can continue to play a racket sport.
Their are lots of good points made in the comments. Here is my take...
Pickleball is more fun, but tennis is more satisfying. For a given level of ability, you can keep the ball in play longer in pickleball than in tennis -- it's not fun to go pick up the ball. But you have to work on your strokes to play a decent game of tennis, and there's nothing like the satisfaction of playing better as a result of working hard on your strokes -- mastery is the root of the success in life, and people who enjoy mastering things are usually successful. So, I play tennis to work on my strokes (with the help of UA-cam coaching videos), and appreciate my improvement when I play tennis; but I play pickleball, using my improved strokes, to have fun.
I can't enjoy my mastery if I play people with a much lower or a much higher skill level, so I seek out players at my level or a bit above. I'm happy to play with beginners to introduce them to pickleball, and coach them to better strokes if they show an interest -- but if they just want to have fun, I avoid them -- life's too short (particularly so, since I'm 72).
Pickleball courts take up much less room than a tennis court, and use less resources to build. I had just enough room in my backyard, and just enough money to put in a pickleball court, whereas a tennis court would have been out of the question.
The sound of a pickleball is annoying, unless you're the one playing; whereas the sound of the tennis ball is quite nice, and gives you feedback on whether you hit the ball well (a nice "pop") or not.
On the other hand, the shrieks and grunts that are increasingly being used in tennis are making it an ugly sport -- if I turn on the Tennis channel and hear a shriek -- I change the channel. I'll take the sound of the pickleball over a shriek any day of the week.
When I was introduced to pickleball in 1978, we just assumed that pickleball was a smaller, easier version of tennis, and hit the ball hard much of the time. This is how we were playing after ten years of practice: ua-cam.com/video/4uslEMvJ5Xs/v-deo.html
But when pickleball tournaments started happening, somehow it was decided that the pinnacle of pickleball play was dinking, and that ruined pickleball for me as a spectator sport. I can't get through a single game of top pickleball players at a tournament because it's mostly boring, dink-dink-dink-dink. It's gone so far that some pickleball players disparage people who hit the ball hard by calling them "bangers", and attempts to neuter the serve have been made by changing the original 3 rules into more than a dozen that are clearly not in the original spirit of the game.
If you don't play the dink game, pickleball doubles can be just as varied and interesting as tennis doubles.
Stupidly -- pickleball is seen by some as the anti-tennis -- the 100-plus years of tennis stroke development is to be ignored, and pickleball-unique strokes are to be invented. What a wrong-headed waste. Every improvement I make to my tennis strokes is immediately put to use in my pickleball play. A tennis player with good strokes can quickly dominate pickleball-only players when new to the sport.
I once lived across the street from a primary school, and was never annoyed by the shouts of the kids having fun at recess. I loved that they were happily playing. The equivalent noise on a pickleball court is the sound of life being lived to its fullest, and the same sounds are heard on any tennis court I play on.
Their are lots of good points made in the comments. Here is my take...
Pickleball is more fun, but tennis is more satisfying. For a given level of ability, you can keep the ball in play longer in pickleball than in tennis -- it's not fun to go pick up the ball. But you have to work on your strokes to play a decent game of tennis, and there's nothing like the satisfaction of playing better as a result of working hard on your strokes -- mastery is the root of the success in life, and people who enjoy mastering things are usually successful. So, I play tennis to work on my strokes (with the help of UA-cam coaching videos), and appreciate my improvement when I play tennis; but I play pickleball, using my improved strokes, to have fun.
I can't enjoy my mastery if I play people with a much lower or a much higher skill level, so I seek out players at my level or a bit above. I'm happy to play with beginners to introduce them to pickleball, and coach them to better strokes if they show an interest -- but if they just want to have fun, I avoid them -- life's too short (particularly so, since I'm 72).
Pickleball courts take up much less room than a tennis court, and use less resources to build. I had just enough room in my backyard, and just enough money to put in a pickleball court, whereas a tennis court would have been out of the question.
The sound of a pickleball is annoying, unless you're the one playing; whereas the sound of the tennis ball is quite nice, and gives you feedback on whether you hit the ball well (a nice "pop") or not.
On the other hand, the shrieks and grunts that are increasingly being used in pro tennis (and now on the local tennis courts near me) are making it an ugly sport -- if I turn on the Tennis channel and hear a shriek -- I change the channel. I'll take the sound of the pickleball over a shriek any day of the week.
When I was introduced to pickleball in 1978, I just assumed that pickleball was a smaller, easier version of tennis, and hit the ball hard much of the time. This is how we were playing after ten years of practice: ua-cam.com/video/4uslEMvJ5Xs/v-deo.html
But when pickleball tournaments started happening, somehow it was decided that the pinnacle of pickleball play was dinking, and that ruined the sport. I can't get through a single game of top pickleball players at a tournament because it's mostly boring, dink-dink-dink-dink. It's gone so far that some pickleball players disparage people who hit the ball hard by calling them "bangers".
If you don't play the dink game, pickleball doubles can be just as varied and interesting as tennis doubles.
Stupidly -- pickleball is seen by some as the anti-tennis -- the 100-plus years of tennis stroke development is to be ignored, and pickleball-unique strokes are to be invented. What a wrong-headed waste. Every improvement I make to my tennis strokes is immediately put to use in my pickleball play. A tennis player with good strokes can quickly dominate pickleball-only players, when a tennis player is new to the sport.
I once lived across the street from a primary school, and was never annoyed by the shouts of the kids having fun at recess. I loved that they were happily playing. The equivalent noise on a pickleball court is the sound of life being lived to its fullest, and the same sounds are heard on any tennis court I play on.
"Pickleball is more fun, but tennis is more satisfying". That is the KEY word. BTW, the length of your comment probably is the longest (or top ten) on UA-cam channel. 👋👍
I didn't have a chance to play pickleball in Auckland but played some badminton. I was able to play reasonably good (after several months when my technique became more adequate) to sometimes beat guys who were learning badminton as children. Mostly because of stamina but I feel like playing tennis makes other racquet sports easier for you.
I also really enjoy tennis in New Zealand. Ranking system, lots of tournaments, interclub matches. Much better compared to what I had in Ukraine where I'm originally from.
But I have to take private lessons to improve so it's expensive.
"Tennis is better because the players have less fun..." ooooh kay
Tennis is fun but you have to spend time practicing and learn technique for it to become fun.
Alpha Tennis Vs Beta Pickles!
We’ll said:)
Why table tennis is better than pickle ball.
Nick, you have some good observations on tennis vs pickleball, but I think you and others have to go deeper. Just as I would play tennis with someone close to my skill level (say it is 4.5); because I,too would like competitive matches. It is too easy to go 6-0 vs 3.0 and 3.5. The case for pickleball will be that there are levels of players, too. Everybody can play socially together, where the stronger players can "tone" it down for the weaker players; but a 4.5/5.0 pickleball player will easily beat a 3.0/3.5 player. Thus, eventually, the higher level players will seek out equal level (4.5/5.0 ) players for competitive matches via tournaments. To achieve the higher levels, a lot of practice and drilling is needed as in tennis to become successful. It is very hard to pass a good player at the net since the ball might only go 40-60 mph. (In tennis it could go 80 plus mph). Still, good strokes, good volley skills, soft game skills, and proper practice will take a good tennis player to a good pickleball level (4.5 to 5.0).
Why dont they just call it whiffle tennis. It could be a practice version of the game of tennis like whiffle ball baseball. It doesn't have to be it's own game. It can just be like mini tennis. This can get people looking for a greater challenge, into tennis. Thus, I think pickleball actually introduces more people to tennis.
Thinking some of the movement towards tennis at least at the junior level was due to the pandemic restrictions when a lot of the team sports like soccer and baseball were shut down.
Found this video spot on ....Thanks
If people want to play pickleball since it has such a low barrier to entry and rather low skilled relative to other racket sports, so be it. I just really don't like combining tennis courts with pickleball. At least keep them separate. Nothing is worse than showing up to a court for tennis practice only to have them all occupied with pickleball. Such a waste of a tennis court :). Same as a tennis court with basketball hoops on it.
Dedicated pickleball courts are the best! We want them just as bad as you do.
I enjoy pickleball but understand why people prefer tennis. Tennis is far more athletic and skilled and you need to put a LOT of work in to just become ok at it, whilst you can pick up pickleball after two or three practices, but I would imagine that means that becoming good at tennis is much more rewarding than becoming good at pickleball. Tennis is much more exciting to watch as well, but pickleball is more accessible and social which is ultimately why it’s becoming popular.
Agreed on the pickleball sound, it's so annoying! Even worse is it's DISTRACTING when people are playing pickleball next to a tennis court and you're trying to play a tennis match.
Pickle ball is enjoyable for gainers and non athletes since it has a low skill requirement. Tennis is much deeper and you can spend your whole life working on your game and strikes to improve. That makes tennis a more worthwhile investment to me.
I played tennis at the open level for years. Just started playing pickleball though, and I find it much more dynamic. Before I played pickleball I thought it looked like a silly game, but after trying it I changed my thoughts about it. If you haven't played both then you're opinion is invalid. That would be like a boxer saying boxing is better than MMA, but the boxer never tried MMA. Try pickleball first then gives us a objective opinion!
I wish tennis allowed shorter players to come closer to the net when serving. So that mathematically a 5'4'' player has same chances of hitting ace serves as 6'5'' player. This would make it a lot more inclusive. And yeah pickleball is for retiree communities.
Here where I live in Cincinnati pickleballers are destroying our tennis courts by lowering the nets on public courts. So we get to the courts and they are useless. Makes me angry.
I love all racquet sports. Tennis is the best spectator sport from the racquet sports. I would never watch pickleball on TV. Tennis has the highest learning curve of the racquet sports, at least from my experience.
I play both..HOWEVER.....it seems Tennis has become what racquetball has become. In Florida the Tennis courts are usually empty, PB courts on the other hand there typically is a queue to play. PB IMHO is more social and to be a 3.5 player usually only takes a few months, if you are coming from a tennis background.
At the age of 60 yes I agree tennis requires more athleticism Duh!!! You are losing ground to pickleball and the community of pickleball is growing where as tennis seems to be in the decline because pickleball is more fun period.
Tennis is a sport…
personally, I like tennis because its a little more challenging, in that once you get OK at it you feel a greater sense of accomplishment, like you picked up a skill (not to say PB is skill-less). At the same time, it's not so hard that it forever remains frustrating.. you put in the effort and you are rewarded.. for me this is not the case with golf which I will forever suck at, seemingly no matter what. So it's accessible, yet not too easy that it's still rewarding. Oh another thing about me.. im not that social lol
I play at a club in offseason. They have a seperate set of courts for just pickleball, and when I walk past it to enter the main wing; I kid you not I hear MUSIC and loud screaming and when I walk into the tennis wing its silent with classical music playing in the lobby.
Why do tennis players seem to constantly want to say that tennis is “better”? They are so insecure! So baseball is better than softball, I guess right? Do you go around telling people who play recreational softball that they are playing a lesser sport? There is no need to compare games. Playing pickleball is easier, cheaper, and more accessible for most. If you prefer to play tennis go for it. Leave pickleball alone.
8:40 I disagree with you slightly on this. Yes, a professional player will beat an amateur pretty much all the time, and likewise a 5.0 vs 3.0. However, I don't think this is an excuse to refuse to play them altogether. And I don't think this is healthy for the sport.
I practice a sport that is similarly skewed in skill (fencing). In fencing, we have a similar rating system to tennis, but we use letters going from U-E-D-B-C-A with U or unranked being the lowest and A being the highest. I'm currently a 'B' in foil (which I would estimate is like a 5.0 in tennis approximately) and I often go to tournaments with people who are rated lower (sometimes even unranked). A lot of these people are usually very talented, but new to the sport. Even though I win every single bout, I always have these lower ranked players talk to me after pools and try and get my opinion on where they were making mistakes and how they could improve. Similarly, I've gone to summer nationals in fencing where I've gone up against really top-class fencers. And again, while I lost handily to them, I made contacts, exchanged notes and received valuable advise. This is extremely healthy for the sport. It's a *good* thing that lower ranked fencers can potentially walk up to Div I or even a professional fencer at a NAC and go up against them. It's not insulting or a waste of the better fencer's time. Nor is it the case that an E worked less hard than an A. I started fencing at 10, not many people had that opportunity, but I respect people who start in adulthood and train hard. It's not 'beneath' me to fence them.
I fully understand your point, but I think it's healthy for tennis if there wasn't such rigid limits on who can play against whom.
To each his own....those are shallow and condescending reasons why tennis is "better". Really? Sound of ball, cooler clothes, the snotty etiquette doesn't makes it "better"...those are just products of the game that came from the "upper class" and heavily promoted for decades. Pickleball is so much more fun (making it loud and boisterous which you look down on), more accessible to the masses (which doesn't require "elite" lessons and work that few have access to) and a lot easier to find people at your own skill level to play (where tennis is far behind on). So, for those the reasons (fun, accessible, easier finding others to play) I find pickleball to be so much better than trying to play tennis (gave up trying to learn tennis years ago as it was too much work trying to get better and mostly not finding anyone who wants to play as it's just as frustrating to them). If you have the tennis skills and can regularly have someone to play with....good for you. As for me because it's easier to learn and play pickleball, I can really get into the games without having the frustrations of having to master the skills like in tennis. That's why it's popularity is exploding and tennis snots need to resort to condescending "elitist" comments to say tennis is "better" to hold back the onslaught of pickleball taking over underused tennis courts.
Weak arguments Nick! The sound is better? The clothes are better? PB being more fun is a disadvantage? Wow. You prefer tennis because you play tennis, and that's about it. I like to watch pro tennis also (it's definitely NOT the best spectator sport), but it gets boring and we usually watch most of the first set, then fast forward to the last few games of the last set. The fast/slow nature of PB is very fun to watch; dink, dink, then suddenly smash, smash, smash, then reset to dinking, etc. BTW, I played tennis for 30 years and I'll never go back. PB is just too much fun, and WAY more social.
If these are the best arguments you can come up with, watch out, because PB is coming soon to a tennis court near you.
Maybe a better way to justify the “cockiness” would have been to say that it’s hard to sustain a fun rally against a weaker player. Simply calling it a waste of time does come off as arrogant and dismissive
Tennis is a better game at first. There is a however though. When I was younger I got timed at 117 on my serve. I had very good quickness and could hit a very good slice and top spin forehand etc.. I am now 61 and my hip can't take being on a court that long. Also I teach and coach tennis and it is starting to be less fun. My skill level will is going down hill and if I cant play like I used to therefore I will not enjoy it as much. Federer is done. Nadal is almost done and the guys I liked no longer play. Things change. That is why I gravel and mtb and will start playing golf again. Probably pickleball as well. I see tennis going away for me.
but pickleball is closest to tennis than say badminton, squash or any other racket sports .. if for whatever reason i can't play tennis anymore. i'd surely pickup a paddle
I have no problem with Pickleball as a fun recreation. However it seems like a weak sport, combining the worst aspects of Tennis and Pingpong. There is very little running in Pickleball; quite the opposite of Tennis, so that you don't need to be terribly fit. Also, while Pickleball is essentially a large Pingpong game, the pace is much slower so that you don't need the lightning-fast reactions of a Pingpong player. So Pickleball is basically a pastime for people who do not want to exert themselves. I guess that is the vast majority of modern Americans.
you summed it up very nicely
20 years of Tennis, 2 years of Pickleball, plenty of strong feelings about this argument but this is a Wendys so I'm trying to keep it brief:
Sound - kind of agree but this is a petty reason for a point to Tennis
Clothes - awful reason to include and anyone who unironically feels this way is a superficial prick
Tennis etiquette - i myself prefer a solemn (or "gentlemanly" as you call it) attitude during a game, so i can concede this
Fun factor - low skill floor is never a bad thing and strong fundamentals are just as important for competitive pickleball
Pro - this is entirely subjective and cannot be considered as a reason to support your argument
Finding people to play with:
- you can fit 8 pickleball players in a space where you'd only have room for 4 tennis players; that does not bode well for tennis
- pickleball players are generally more inviting because it is vital for its growth; it doesn't have the history and resources that tennis has (yet, at least)
- i respect and empathize with your need to play with players at your level (it is a struggle i experience regularly) but i also acknowledge that growth is more important at this stage
I watched this video because I expected it to talk more about mechanical differences between the two sports, but it sounds like you don't know enough about Pickleball to have an informed opinion. Everything you talked about is either superficial or subjective, and there are plenty of *objective* reasons why Pickleball is better (lower impact for less risk of injury, takes up less space, easier to get into, to name a few.) I genuinely hope that one day, Pickleball becomes the mainstream sport while Tennis fades into obscurity, and I say that as someone who wanted to be a professional Tennis player as a kid.
9:55 I've always found this to be foolish. How can one get better if the higher rated players never play against them? You can only do so much in practice. If that were true everyone would be a professional.
Great video, even with the obvious bias. The sound part is not so relevant when you consider the grunting of tennis. And overall there really isn’t any real relevance to any of the points. Pickleball has an easier entry, is more addictive and more accessible to a wider range of participants. Tennis is not a sustainable hobby for the average income, especially in this economical climate. So if your argument is, “just don’t be poor,” then that’s not realistic. Bottom line, tennis courts are being converted to pickleball courts for a reason. If you can’t beat ‘em…
Your last point is 100% the most important gripe I have with Pickleball. The others I don’t really care for as it’s kind of just an individuals opinion. But the fact that Pickleball courts use tennis courts is just a massive problem. Pickleballers need their own place to play!
Pickleball is such a huge problem for tennis players and basketball players as well.
They are converting our courts to pickleball courts and it leaves tennis players and basketball players completely empty handed.
The cities are doing a disservice for everyone that doesn’t play Pickleball on hard surfaces.
They need to create Pickelball courts for only Pickelball and stop converting our tennis courts and basketball courts.