Debunking a Common Climate Change Misconception
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- Опубліковано 17 кві 2022
- This simple analogy is often used in my comments section as a way to discredit climate science. Today we're debunking it.
*Small correction, I say ice is less dense being it has bubbles but this is of course an oversimplification (it's a UA-cam short after all). In reality water's crystal structure also makes ice inherently less dense than liquid water. These two qualities together are what allow it to float.
Watch the main video here: • Lands That Could FLOOD...
The other thing they forget is water above 4 Celsius expands taking up more space
And under! Water is the most dense at 4C. Ice is less dense than cold water. This is why glass bottles explode in the freezer.
@@blackyyy3292 What does density have to do with volume?
@@Corvard555 density is the amiunt of mass in a given volume. it is calculated with the formula density = mass/volume. if you increase the volume at the same mass the density decreases and vice versa.
@@Corvard555 next you are going to tell us that you are a flat-earther
@@affugter man asked a question and got an answer no one was rude let's give him the benefit of the doubt and be nice 🙂
Some people remember 1 of 2 bits of knowledge they could get to memorize in highschool and get real smug real fast.
"Ice is less dense than water, so melting ice can't cause sea levels to rise! Check mate, climate nerds!" ~ an idiot who forgot that ice exists on land
@@JimRFF idiots also forget some mountain ranges are getting more snow then ever... Himalayas 20% more in 2020... lmfao..
yes im gonna believe in scientists that have 100 years worth of climate data out of millions of years.... smart.
especially when there are billions of dollars of funding on the line. humans are ethical of course they wont lie.
i wonder why bill gates is buying beach front properties? for tens of millions of dollars... and other billionaires..
yes people are smug....
@@JimRFF but then we have surface elasticity and rebound. So as the ice melts and runs to the sea the land mass rebounds lifting it out of the sea. Not nearly at equivalent rate but not insignificant.
@@omstout which displaces even more water, raising sea-level even more for the other land masses that aren't rebounding.
@@omstout rebound has the effect of seeming to lower sea levels in a local area (as the crust which had been weighed down by glacial ice rises up), but that actually causes average global sea levels to rise everywhere else. Remember that as crust rises from rebound effects, the water doesn't flow under it to fill that space, it gets "pushed" out to sea... you can mimic the effect of rebound in a small-scale experiment by having a container of water with a board in it... if you tip that board up at an angle, like a lever, as the angle of the board increases, more of the board will be above the water level making it look like the water level has dropped if you measure from the "shore" on the board, but (provided your seal between the side of the container and the board is good, so the water can't flow around it and get underneath the board) the actual height of the water level in the container will rise. And also as you said, the rate of ice melt is significantly faster than the rate of tectonic rebound, so in human-lifespan timescales the ice melt is far more relevant than the rebounding effect... but essentially rebound can cause apparent local sea level drops while still causing global average sea level to rise
I got a science teacher explaining this to us in 8th grade like 20 years ago. 20 years later we still have this level of ignorance...
Yes and still the sea levels are rising since 1865 at 1.7 mm a year, there is no rapid sea level rise, it is normal since the Earth came out of the "Little Ice Age". The seas were higher and the Earth was warmer during the "Medieval Warm Period"
There is no "Climate Crisis"
What ignorance?
@nobody But...... the Fire Nation is attacking?
20 years ago environmentalist said we were running out of landfil space, then it was acid rain, the it was a second ice age, the global warminf and now its climate change. Yes, climates change...
@@brandondouglass8287 damn, almost like they were right but we just changed our products to prevent those things.
Funny how all these people that struggled with their kids third grade math during Covid school closures are suddenly all global climate experts.
How is that relevant to what a scientist say
@@DarthVaderfr let me clarify; the people that don’t believe in climate science, Or global sea rise, are the same people who couldn’t help their kids with grade three math.
@@jonhunt5408you just helped that person out with 3rd grade spelling because man you had to spell that one out.
well said - expert opinions without the slightest shred of expertise.
@jonhunt5408 there's literally no proof humans caused a raise in sea levels.
This is giving me strong disappointed teacher energy
@@capturedflame mistakes happen. He is trying to debunk something that is harmful and has a good intention. There are already comments pointing this fact out. Instead of calling him incompetent you could correct him in a constructive way.
Climate is always changing and always will. Only the gullible buy the lies of AGW
@@capturedflame emicran is just telling you to be nice
@@capturedflame what
@@capturedflame oh I'm sorry I was not capable of seeing the niceness in your comment after you telling "I wAs BeInG nIcE"
One correction: Ice is not actually less dense than water because of air bubbles. When water freezes the molecules form a crystal structure, and because of the polar nature of water molecules this is less dense than water.
Yeah, that's basis science. He wants to school about climate, and doesn't know water? Bitch please
Specifically, it forms the crystal structure because of hydrogen bonding. Water is also a liquid at room temperature on earth (instead of a gas) because of hydrogen bonding.
its why it floats
I thought they teach this stuff in middleschool, seriously
Actually both of those reasons are why ice is less dense
Let's face it. Some people are idiots. Even when they have an argument for something, they don't think or refuse to accept that there could be anything that contradicts their knowledge.
On that there is absolute consensus, thanks the education system of the us
cognitive bias is hard to overcome :(
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What contradicts your knowledge is that humanity flourished at the climate catastrophe point everyone is decrying. Humans left Africa at that temperature and experienced higher temperatures. You fail to acknowledge that fact or just don’t read scientific studies. You are just willfully pushing conspiracy theory misinformation with no actual knowledge or research into the topic.
The lower density of ice is due to the hexagonal structure that the atoms form, not air bubbles. The rest is entirely correct though! 👍
Those hexagonal structures trap air in them, making ice less dense.
@@priyamtarafder8324 even ice without air in it floats
Well if it isnt the ceo of water themself
Name checks out
@@fakename1474 how?(genuinely curious, coz didn't know this before)
Not only Polar ice! Ice on mountain ranges also melts and eventually will reach the oceans (of course it's a very small amount compared to the massiveness of the ice at the poles).
himilayas got 20% more snow in 2020... record snow fall.
they are getting colder.. thats how nature works some area warms up some get colder...
@@sell2012
No it doesn't get colder. OBVIOUSLY, the core definition of climate, in contrast to weather, is that Climate is a long-term weather pattern in an area, typically averaged over 30 years.
You talked about a weather of a single year.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate
The real problem is that it’s freshwater which will affect various ocean patterns. I.e the Gulf Stream, which means it’s possible that Europe will get colder.
@@sell2012 Anecdotes don’t make statistics. Climate is complex and a rise in average global temperature will affect various systems which will drastically change weather.
Also consider the loss of ice mass on land makes it weigh less. Also consider tectonic plates float on molten rock.. so this reduced weight may cause the tectonic plate to rise slightly. This might shift some sea water elsewhere, causing a further increase. Any studies on this?
Water expands when it Freezes making it less dense. No Bubbles required to make Ice Float.
And, it expands due to their atoms rearranging in a cristal lattice
Yeah, it’s pretty scary for him to make that error. He is an “influencer”. We all learn that ice is 10% less dense from a very young age, experimentally when we freeze ice cubes, so it’s mind blowing to me he would get that so wrong.
@@Greg-yu4ij To cut him some slack, although is a pretty big mistake, it is a much much worse one the one that he addresses in the video about sea level rising
As David points out the water *molecules* rearrange into a crystal lattice as all the hydrogen bonds stack to become uniform - taking up slightly more inter-molecular space, physically. In liquid form, hydrogen bonds randomly break and reform, not requiring quite as much physical space for the same mass of water. While ice typically will have air bubbles to make it even less dense (so it's easy to see where his misconception comes from), the actual reason why ice is less dense is because of hydrogen bonding.
Yeah that was a bit strange of him to say lol
"If sea levels rises people would just sell their homes and move inland"
Ben schapiro
“Sell the house to WHO fucking aquamen.”
Climate change is a conspiracy created by the Atlanteans in order get real estate for cheap
yes this is stolen
There's no proof humans caused the ice to melt.
I live at 60 meters of elevation, some 10 km from the coast. If sea level rises I'm going to have a beachfront property.
Everyone has already pointed out the air bubble thing, so I'll just add:
When you heat water, even without melting ice into it, it also expands! You won't notice this in a cup, because it's only a fraction of a percent per degree increase. But when you have a body of water that's about 1,335,000,000,000,000,000,000 liters, you start to notice the difference in volume (and therefore height).
It's pretty noticeable in oil too, actually. When you turn a deep frier on and heat it up the oil significantly expands and rises up like half an inch, it's very conspicuous.
Btw, ice without bubbles is still less dense than water.
Yeah. Once of the only molecules that actually expands instead of compresses when frozen. Very rare but 100000% necessary for life in cold bodies of water.
*points at clear ice from bars*
I still can't believe why mother nature decided to do that. Just, why???
Mother nature: We do a little tr-
@@christiebreeechelon yep, water makes literally everything work except electrons, which make water work. Hydrogen, oxygen and all the carbon you can fit make all organic life
@@JamesTDG i bought a mold that would do it so now i have clear ice at home
Oh, yeah?
Are you one of those round earthers, also?
Right? Next thing he'll tell us is that Earth is more than 5000 years old... Ridiculous.
Next he’ll say that continents move. /s
@DropkicktheDecepticon Uhh, Yup.
Clearly this man thinks hair is real
He also probably thinks that we believe he isn't a lizard. Those eyes aren't convincing at all!
It's partly true. For floating ice this is still true.
Fun fact, Antarctica has (and to a lesser extent, other icy landmasses have) so much ice on it that the continental plate is actually sunken down from where it would otherwise be. As continental ice melts it causes the land to spring back up, which can cause its own problems by displacing water along the continental shelf.
Most of Canada is still slightly sunken from the Ice Age
The fact that people make serious arguments based on forgetting that there is ice on land is deeply depressing
Ice is less dense than water even without air bubbles in it.
yes but it floats due to both reasons
Oh... the pun at the end! Amazing.
One could say, people bringing up this argument are moving on thin ice
@@Fox277 Thirsty gal could say smart puns make her wet.
"Sea this argument.." too!
@@Fox277 I know, it's a slippery slope.
Haha we shattered their argument
bUt EaRtH iS fLaT sO tHe wAtEr wiLL FaLL dOwN
Bro, some people just deleted middle and high school knowledge 😂
It didn’t teach me important things!
But I am able to use Google and youtube pretty effectively
Ice is less dense than water because water's solid crystaline structure is less dense than its liquid form. Bubbles are incidental. The principle still applies though: Ice on land doesn't contribute to sea levels until it melts and flows to the ocean.
Plus, warmer water takes up more space. You’d be suprised how much this actually adds to the sea level.
Your explanation for why ice is less dense than water is wrong and you should probably remake this video quickly to fix that.
Ice is just inherently less dense than water due to the crystalline stucture, there are no bubbles required to make it less dense than water.
Otherwise this video is fine, but it kind of kneecaps the whole message when part of the reasoning has the wrong explanation.
So the air bubbles make the ice more dense then? Is that what you're saying????
In reality ice's lesser density is a result of both the presence of air bubbles and water's crystal structure, but only one of those is intuitive enough to fit into a one minute long video...
@@AtlasPro1 No, ice is less dense than water for one reason and one reason only, it forms a lattice upon freezing that is less dense than in its liquid state.
@Swed neck I'm really glad you pointed that out, but I am also really saddened by the creators response. Like, instead of accepting his mistake and do better research, he just puts words in your mouth and calls YOU out?? That's very sad... I'm only feeling better because so many people commented on his mistake
@@LiamE69 I'm not defending the uploader's responses or anything, but water bubbles WOULD make the ice less dense... that's what makes ships float, because the object we're talking about, the ship, is less dense than all the water underneath it even though many things within the ship are atomically more dense than water is; similarly, you can say that ice, at the scale of the atomic structure, is less dense than water and that's the main reason it floats, but you can also say that the object over there, the ice, the glacier, w/e you choose to call it, is also less dense, as an overall object, because it has air bubbles throughout its structure.
@@ActionAlligator The point is ice floats whether or not is has bubbles. And if it were only the bubbles making it float we would be talking about ice/air mixtures floating rather than ice floating. Yes ice with bubbles has additional buoyancy, but it isn't the bubbles making it float. It already floats without them.
Melting ice doesn't raise the water level if the ice is floating. But it is not because ice contains air bubbles, its simply because ice is less dense than water. Ya if there is air bubbles traps it help too, but it is not necessary.
And also ice contains fresh water which is also which further increase the density. By the way video on your channel make more sense.
I can't tell if most of these comments are against him or with him I got too much smooth brain
Excellent response! Completely agree with you. Just one comment, ice floats on water because it's less dense due to the special arrange of the H2O molecules when it freezes, not because of the air bubbles.
Yeah but these same people ignore the fact that 2,000 years ago north Africa was the bread basket of the Roman empire.. Now its a desert.. Yes some ice caps are melting and others are growing..It's a natural process that is being used as a political club..
@@uncle_Samssubjects
The key thing there is *2,000* years ago. 200 years ago the ice caps were much bigger.
The climate doesn't change this fast naturally (barring some cataclysmic event like an asteroid impact or huge volcanic eruption), and life doesn't have time to adapt to the speed at which conditions are changing.
@@liamsales4949 I guess we'll find out soon enough. Even if the US can 100% eliminate emissions, we still have China (almost double the CO2 output of the US), India and Russia to contend with. Of those four countries only the US has had any meaningful attempts at reducing emissions.
Ice is not less dense than water due to bubbles but due to hydrogen bonds.
Did he say that?
@@al3xa723 oh yes.
@@LiamE69 You're right, sorry. I missed the part in the video. Also he's being weird in the comments about it.
The first time i heard this argument i went like "dude, it makes as much sense as you putting all your clothes on the ground and expecting to get taller" lol
OMG I can’t believe you’ve had to explain this!!! No wonder why were all doomed!
Yet he still isn’t right. There is no land on the North Pole. All there is is just frozen ice. So the flood issue is still there but it’s mostly because the land sinks not because the water rises.
The frozen ice that is above water, people use your heads...
Fill the grass to the very top then add ice, it's overfill. Common fucking sense
@@HazzySW1do it
Only you are doomed. We are not doomed. I am not doomed.
the bubbles are not what decreases ice density
so you're saying they increase ice density?????
@@AtlasPro1 nah 😂 but ice without bubbles is still less dense than water
@@AtlasPro1 Perhaps you should take a few physics classes and learn why ice floats instead of being rude to your subscribers who are politely pointing out that you have made an absolute howler of a mistake in this video. Very poor form.
Learn, correct, improve.
@@LiamE69 Exactly, don't get this hostility to the subscribers and people improving everybody's understanding. I am no expert on the climate, but I am a finance expert and even if I am not certain a person is correct, never have I degraded their position on a topic.
@@AtlasPro1 If this is how you respond to such a glaring mistake how many mistakes slip through?
He was right, and you insulted him before even considering that. That's not a good sign for an education youtuber.
A while ago the teachers in our area had a 5% cut in their pay. One teacher wrote an article in the paper explaining that as both he and his wife were teachers and as both were subject to the 5% cut in pay, their household actually took a 10% pay cut. Hope he wasn't a math teacher.
Hahaha! Methinks they should have had a much bigger pay cut.
Besides, isn't it good for the environment or something? If you have less money to spend then that will reduce your carbon footprint right? So how about we reduce the pay of environmentalists to, oh, I dunno, 0%? That way they can help the environment! And the rest of us won't have to hear their incessant bitching. Win win.
@@nono7105 No wonder you don't mind, seems somebody already held your head underwater for too long
@@Pillar_of_Salt Seems someone is living on the mind trap plantation. You keep slaving away for your fear monger masters, don't mind reality at all.
@@nono7105 although there is a clear problem whether you like to acknowledge it or not
Although I'm not an environmentalist so I don't know the 100% facts
Technically it is a 10% pay cut... if they worked as a whole instead of 2 separate pay checks
"it holds no water" is a perfect ending to this hahahahahahaha. Smart and punny, thank you for the amazing videos man. Please keep them coming
Also usually ice bergs are fresh water floating on salt water so when they melt they will actually displace more water
Ice floats due to phase changes and the crystal lattice on the mineral ice. As ice freezes it takes on a new more restrictive crystalline structure causing is volume to increase but not its mass making it less dense
And as lava is the molten state of minerals, water is the lava of ice.
Also, from what I heard, most of the water level rise is caused by change in liquid water density. Hot water is less dense than cold liquid water. Even if the difference is just 0.01%, it's a huge deal due to how much water there is.
Also, the landmasses that are covered by it are depressed relative to the rest of the crust, and will start to rebound as soon as the weight of the ice is removed. This too will displace the water *somewhere*, and it being a liquid, its level will rise to flood someplace else...
@Javi Oz “from what I heard” is an admission of “I can’t remember where I read this to leave a link.” Don’t be an ass
@Javi Oz It actually is true. The charts available show that sea level rise is a combination temperature of the water and the ice caps/ glaciers that have melted. Since 1993 the ocean has risen by 3.3mm per year with temperature of the oceans accounting for 1.1mm of that.
The current calculations suggest the thermal expansion of the oceans accounts for 34% of the ocean levels rising. The main reason this occurs is the ocean is the planet's heat sink. Most heat on the planet gets to the ocean where it can dissipate.
The difference depends on termperature. 4 degrees to 20 degrees is 0.08%.
Of course, most ocean water is more than 4 degrees C, and most ocean water is below 20 degrees C. These are just simple numbers to use toi establish the point. But changes are real, for sure.
Thermal expansion of water is a contributing factor but is not the one that governs sea level rise.
People forget that sea levels were much lower than they are now during the last ice age. That's because almost all of the ice sheets were in North America and Europe. Once they melted we lost a lot of land area due to sea level rise
The area of Antarctica is 13.66M km2
The area of Greenland is 2.166M km2
If the two of them are added and combined with all the glaciers that are on the mountains around the world it is almost equal to the area of Russia (17.1M km2)
Oh! Don't forget to include the thickness and depth of the ice which reaches for kilometers.
ice floats because of atomic structure right?
No, water and ice have the same structure. Ice floats because it is less dense than water.
@@tyberius66 water and ice have the same chemical composition but vastly different structures
@@theangledsaxon6765 True for the composition, omition on my part since I did not think it was usefull. The molecular structure is the same for ice and water, but the arrangement of the molecules are different.
So you're saying their argument... is cap?
yeah, nobody likes New Orleans
climate change is a myth created by squid game feat. John Xina
dont listen to this proppaganta my disciple of Jesus
God is good!
Watch the video before comenting you will learn more
@@flaykeydig7946 Razor sharp, I see
I have a lot of disagreements with global warming activists and whatnot, but this guy was so damn respectful pointing out stupidity, he has my respect
We need many more people like you. You answered a valid question without attempting to humiliate the asker. So many projected things haven’t happened. We have questions. But they have no answers. They call people horrible names to get them to conform without the necessity of making their case. They don’t want to teach and learn. They want subjugation. That is all humiliating others does. It is cruel and childish. This should be an open conversation. All ideas welcome and discussed. Most people just need someone to explain things to them. Myself included. Have we gone back to the drawing board yet to explain what has and hasn’t happened? If no, why not. It’s certainly important enough.
Man. I love your videos... But we need to agree that this new youtube policy of pushing this "SHORTS" to compete against TikTok and instagram or Twitter is the WORST CRAP THAT UA-cam EVER DONE (EDIT: AFTER REMOVING THE DISLIKE BUTTON, OFC).😮💨😒
Another big, less talked about issue is desalination. This addition of massive amounts of fresh water would affect the salinity of the oceans which affects currents which affects weather which affects crops. The problem with this stuff is people cannot step back and look at the bigger picture.
It also affects ocean life. Some critters need salt water and others need fresh water. What happens to them?
@@paulamarentette695 and then if we go ahead and break ocean life we can say by to one of our biggest oxygen producers
@@dicklover4203 Exactly. Algae is responsible for more Oxygen production than trees but that doesn't really get mentioned, IMO.
Dunning-Krueger effect at its finest
So places like NYC and San Francisco would be under water??? Let’s melt that ice!!!!
The bubbles reasoning is just false.
Also there is a lot of ice above sea level floating in the arctic ocean so if that melts it will 100% contribute to sea levels rising.
Guys, dont fixate your arguments on one vaguely incorrect statement. Frankly, i thought that was the reasoning, but if it isnt then it may have just been a mistake. His argument was talking about the sea level rise, so talk about that at least
@@christiebreeechelon it doesn't matter if it's above sea level or not, if it floats it doesn't contribute to the sea level
The fact you had to explain this shows how doomed we are as a society
The CO2/plant food scare is a scam.
The ice cap over the north pole does float. A lot of climate alarmists point to shrinkage in the northern polar ice cap as a bad sign, although it's melting does not contribute to ocean level rise. But your point is valid for Greenland and Antarctica.
Also, a minor point but jarring as you are setting yourself up as a scientific expert: the reason water levels don't rise when floating ice melts has nothing to do with bubbles. Even with perfect ice crystals that have no bubbles, the crystal structure of ice is less dense than liquid water, which is why ice floats on liquid water. So even with no bubbles in the ice, the melting of floating ice still doesn't affect the water level.
I was one of those people who knew about that argument but was smart enough not to use it until I found out more about it. I’m not a “smart” person but damn why is it that most people don’t realize how much they don’t know? There is always more to a subject and unless you are actually an expert you need to stay humble.
Ice doesnt float cause it contains bubbles what
I thought he meant the ice floating above the water. Take the bubbles out and that makes up for the 20% above the sealevel
You're forgetting one very easy solution though: We dig a trench to the lower elevation part of the sahara desert, allowing ocean water to fill that new reservoir, thus solving the problem of rising sea levels once and for all! (Plus Africa probably gets more rainfall)
I hope you're trolling
@@al3xa723 no it‘s actually a very smart solution
@@radient1943 YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DIGGING OUT ALMOST HALF OF AN ENTIRE CONTINENT, HOWWWWWW IS THAT SMART, OR PRACTICAL?
CAPS LOCK KEY IS STUCK
much of the sahara is below sea level so technically you would only need to dig a canal to the depression and let the water flow in
@@siggestaexs8745 So? You're literally terraforming massive swaths of land with no way to accurately predict the consequences. Think of the animals in the water being shoved into a new environment which is essentially baren. Also, if you're talking about a single canal, the water rushing by it would be going insanely fast and be insanely deadly, assuming I'm not missunderstanding you ( Which I already did earlier, so I don't put it past myself ). Annnd, how would you stop the flow once you matched the melted water? Because of you don't find a way water will keep spilling onto the African continent, rising land from under the ocean across the world.
Idk
So like how Kamino became an ocean planet. Cool
*him saying there is a "fight" going on in his comments*
Me: There was a fight? Aw fuck.. I could've joined in.
Ice isnt larger just due to air being trapped lol. Its inherent to how water molecules bons are stronger and can be more spread from each other.
So the bubbles make it more dense then? Genius.
@@AtlasPro1 That's not what they're saying. They're saying that the bubbles aren't the reason, that doesn't mean they don't contribute, but the reason IS due to the way ice crystalizes.
@@AtlasPro1 re reading my comment I should have worded it in a more kind way. Also please don't purposely misinterpret my comment; I never said air is heavier than water. Its just odd that someone like yourself with an educational background in earth sciences didnt mention why ice is less dense than water in the lens of chemistry.
@@AtlasPro1 Not all ice has bubbles. All ice floats. Genius indeed.
@@AtlasPro1 Don't think you needed to attempt to humiliate somebody for improving everybody's understanding of this topic.
I'm embarrased to admit that if I read this comment, I would have thought, "Huh, so why are water levels rising then?" I am definitely aware that sea levels are rising, but my brain just divorced the fact that there is ice that sits atop of land.
Thanks for that explanation!
Well it doesn’t help that when people talk about global ice melting on of the main things they talk about the arctic which doesn’t sit on land. While it does matter because it is a habitat for many creatures it does give the image that lots of ice just floats around
Icebergs are mainly not salt water so when they melt in salt water it rises, try it yourself. Take two glasses of water, one with tap water and one with salt water. Put ice in both of those cups and you'll see the one with salt water rises.
I don't think anyone who doesn't know why global warming will raise ocean levels is interested in understanding the science. They already saw something stupid on Facebook and it broke their brain. However I hope you do change their minds and I enjoyed the video.
Don’t forget thermal expansion too
There's a tiny mistake. Even ice without any air will float on water
Yeah, idk why he thought that. In another comment he passive aggressively replied saying "So the bubbles make it more dense? Genius." for no reason, it didn't even relate to the comment. Weird.
he eventually corrected it in the description
And glacial ice is more dense than normal ice. And also liquid water itself is more dense than ice because the atoms are structured like in a mineral, when in liquid water the atoms are spread out randomly without a structure.
The same people who say climate change us fake are the same people who say the earth is flat🤷♂️
Ok while I do agree with that fact that sea level will rise the reason that ice floats is not not because it "has a bunch of air bubbles in it" it is because ice is less dense than water as the Crystal structure of ice pushes the molecules further away from each other making it less dense than water
For sake of argument let's say the oceans didn't rise that much. The real problem would be diluting the salt water with fresh water. Collapsing food chains, changing currents even possibly stopping currents. I doubt anyone really knows what these kind of events would Foster. Heaven help Us.
Isnt the ice made of saltwater?
Love the statement of "It holds no water" lolol.
The dad joke at the end is priceless.
Take a cup of ice water and mark the surface level, let it melt and tell me the level isnt exactly the same.
Put ice on a plate above the glass. Let the melting ice flow into the glass and tell me it is the same.
Except the ice that are suspended by landmass under it, like on Iceland, Greenland etc. so yes the sea will raise a bit. Edit. (note to self, better wait comment till the video is finish.)
extremely minimal rise ... evaporation lowers the expected return ...
if all the glacial ice were to melt, it would rise the sea level by 187 feet. a large percentage of people live within this 187 foot range.
@@chrisbraid2907 what happens after it evaporates though? It falls as rain, forms rivers, and flows right back into the ocean. The permafrost in places like Greenland and Antarctica is basically water locked away from the water cycle.
I tired to explain this same thing to some people a few years back, and they totally though i was making things up. They informed me that if Antarctica melted it would be its own ocean... I had to smack my head.
It's funny how they always show you the polar ice melting in the summertime but they never show you the videos of it refreezing because that would take way too long! Wasn't Florida supposed to be underwater like in 2000? I don't think any of the world's beaches have gotten any smaller but just remember we have only 8 years left to live due to global warming
Your argument is correct for ice at sea level, but what about ice above sea level, does it just miracly fly up to it's original place and re freeze where it initially was?
That's the main point, we don't care about the ice at sea level since if it freezes or melts it won't cause any problems, the problem is all the ice above that, how do you think the 5 continents become separated?
Read some history first, then debate on the internet don't just use conspiracies about broken propaganda nonsense.
And it is 2100 when florida COASTS should be submerged, not the whole place just the coasts.
It's not necessarily bubbles that makes the ice less dense than water when water freezes it naturally makes a structure that expands the molecules so it's less dense on a molecular level
Bro who tf said something that stupid, that's some American level stuff.
american level 💀
@@thanatox yeah, nobody likes New Orleans
climate change is a myth created by squid game feat. John Xina
dont listen to this proppaganta my disciple of Jesus
God is good!
LMAO I think America has some of the world's leading geniuses out there. You are definitely not one
@@ML-ks2lj 💀
People started arguing without going to school 💀
Most floating ice caps also have a large amount of ice above the water which would raise the water level
This isn't the only reason that ice floats. Ice floats because its crystalline matrix forces the molecules of water apart and makes the resultant solid less dense than the liquid.
It's both unbelievable and (sadly) completely believable that you had to make a video about this. This has always been something I considered common knowledge.
30 years ago the climate alarmists were crying that the ice caps would melt and that the raising seas would kill us all. 30 years later the alarmists are even crazier but the sea level didn't raise one inch. My prediction is that in 30 years the alarmists will still be there crying but the sea level will remain as it is.
There will always be alarmists saying the earth is doomed, but just because they are wrong about the timescale, it doesn’t mean it won’t happen to a lesser degree
Yeah, maybe in 1 000 or 10 000 years who knows. Earth has been slowly heating up since last ice age. It's all speculations.
In the last 25 years, average global sea levels have risen by 3 inches... if you're going to complain about alarmists getting facts wrong, you should probably make an effort to... you know... not get your facts wrong...
Let's see in 25 years.
"alarmists were crying that the ice caps would melt and that the raising seas would kill us all."
Yeah, but when? Were the ice caps supposed to have melted by now(2022)? Of course not. That's the part you don't have the intelligence to understand:
There is no scientific paper saying this. Not a single one.
It's not air trapped in ice it's the fact that frozen water is less dense than water that makes it float ice is expanded water this is why it can be compressed to a point where it liquefies once more even below freezing. It's why ice erosion ie water freezing in a crack and splitting the crack open happens. This is not due to air trapped even though that can happen. Most glaciers where formed from snow which has air but are compressed from the weight of the snow to form clear airless ice.
It's not bubbles; even pure ice is less dense than pure water (which is very unusual for solid and liquid forms of the same substance but true for water). But your main point is still correct.
I can't believe people are still using that dumb argument.
CO2/plant food doesn't drive global temperatures, never has, never will.
@@ThekiBoran okay. So I take it you dont believe in mirrors either?
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Take whatever you want, I don't care.
On this topic, does anyone know if glacial rebound has any effect on sea level? I'm not some climate denier looking for a fight, I'm just genuinely curious if land masses have a considerable effect on displacement of ocean water.
By glacial rebound, do you mean isostatic equilibrium? As in landmass rise after a large amount of weight is removed from it, kinda like a springy bed. If you do, then unfortunately, it would only affect the continent landmass, and maybe slightly increase sea level even more. Think of it as adding a block of metal into a your water bowl, it displaces and lower the area available for the water body. Less area, but same volume mean the sea level must rise.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-glacial_rebound
In short, yes, it does, and the effect that rebounding has is to increase global sea level rise on the planet as a whole while the specific part of the crust that is rising will experience a temporary fall in local sea levels... in a-bit-less-short, when the ice melts and the continental crust starts to rise, that would cause the sea level to apparently "fall" at that location (as the crust is rising higher away from the sea level), but what that really means is that more water is being displaced by that piece of crust now -- as it rises, it will push whatever water was previously over it away, and that causes the average sea level everywhere else in the world to rise, since that water has to go somewhere
Glacial rebound is going to be dependent on too many factors to easily calculate - rock structure, soil structure.
But what we do know is that the rebound usually happens at a far far slower rate than the melting of the ice, so there is likely to be a sea level spike and then a gradual reduction of sea level as the rebound occurs.
By then of course vast areas have long since been flooded
@Javi Oz Well done, you've sussed out I'm an idiot and you've shown your superior intellect by demonstrating just how stupid I am to not see the obvious truth. Next time I'm curious about something, I'll think twice before I dare to improve my knowledge. I should know my place as the idiot I am.
@Javi Oz pro tip... if someone is making a bona fide effort to ask questions and learn about something they don't know or understand, and you respond like an asshole, the only thing you're going to teach them is that they shouldn't try to learn and instead just be ignorant. Instead, you have the chance to teach someone something that you might be genuinely interested in, and through that conversation get them to expand their own horizons... but only if you don't act like a dickhead. That just makes you look like a loser with no self-esteem who can only make themselves feel better by belittling others, and has nothing worthwhile to actually contribute to the conversation. For future reference.
But he still negated another factor of why the sea levels won't rise. After the ice melts and goes into the ocean, it doesn't just sit in one spot. Ocean currents will carry the extra water to the Tropic zones, where it will evaporate into the atmosphere.
This is why storms are becoming bigger and more powerful. Water is storm fuel.
As the planet heats up, this will prevent the oceans from raising up. The atmosphere will absorb the excess water.
Eventually the increased cloud cover will block out most of the sun's direct light, and cause a global cooling. Which could cause a global winter and rebalance the earth on its own.
So if we can ride out the increased storms, it will refreeze and we will return to normal.
Global warming is Not a death sentence.
We're not even talking about thermal expansion of water yet.
“Ice contains bubbles” lol
Actually, i find that very interesting. The thing about ice in water.
Also, kinda point out another misconception about climate change from the other side, they ussaly talk a lot about the Poles melting, but one lf them aren't land. And the other is on land, but has extensive parts going away from the land.
So, honestly very interesting. Personally, I am more on the adaption side. There will always be climate change as long climates exists. The best way to humanity too survive is too adapt instead of radically clinging or radically jumping somewhere.
Another fact that keep getting overlooked is that our climate is cyclical and we in fact know the earth has gone through periods with and without ice caps...
Yeah but I didn't change as fast, humans have caused a shit tonne of global heating whenyou look on the time it has taken
@@notabrit3025 If you say so...
Finally, someone saying something. The ice in a cup analogy was getting old to explain to people.
As for all the "iT's NoT AiR" shit. It's a combination of solidifying structure and air that makes ice be less dense than liquid water.
It's not a misconception, it's neurogenic wasting disease coupled with a terrible educational system
Any time I see this comment as an argument against global warming I immediately know I am arguing with someone with the thinking power of a brick and it's not worth my time.
Another thing being Glacier ice is often compacted, and is closer to being pure water with next to no pockets of air
When you drop ice in a cup of water, the water rises because of the ice, and when that ice melts the water is the same. So I'm pretty sure if you hold an icecube above a cup of water it will rise just as much as if you drop it in :>
Btw I am not saying hate or saying I don't believe what he is saying, I do understand what he is saying and I agree.
There is ice floating in the ocean (icebergs) and ice sitting on land (glaciers, snow caps...) When ice in water melts, the water level doesn't change (you can try this at home by filling a glass with ice and water and marking the water level, but it sounds like you already understand this). However, when the ice on land melts, it adds more water to the oceans and can cause them to rise.
Your statement that the ice melting in your hand above the water would raise the level as much as dropping the ice cube in the water is correct. However, ice on land has a much harder time finding its way to the ocean while still ice. If it melts, it has a much easier time getting to the ocean. Overall, ice in glass is equivalent to icebergs. We don't really care if they melt because it doesn't affect the water levels (I mean, we do care because of other effects, but just for this argument). Ice in hand is like glaciers, when they melt, they literally add more water to the ocean. Icebergs are already in the ocean so they don't add more water.
Now, a small correction, saltwater is more dense than freshwater, meaning that ice does not sink quite as far, but it still melts into the same volume of water. In saltwater, melting ice can increase the water level, but this effect I think is rather miniscule on the grand scheme of things.
Well it will not matter because most of the developing world do not care about Climate Change and are building more coal fired power plants and any so called emissions control that the developing world does will be a wast of time and money as the emissions on the globe will continue to rise . We will learn to live with any changes to see levels.
What science supports that coal burning and gas cars and cow farms are changing the global climate?
The real thing to remember is that even though your government uses 9 billion in taxes every year for the "paris accord", they have no idea how to, or do they plan to, actually combat climate change at all... But, it makes for nice European vacations for them all for 1 month, so they thank you...
@DropkicktheDecepticon saying our entire species deserves extinction when the vast majority of its atrocities are committed by decree of a small group of rulers and carried about by the systems they implement is kind of silly.
@DropkicktheDecepticon Good luck stopping climate change, seeing as it's happened to the earth since the big bang. And I do believe in climate change.. I just don't believe in man's ability to stop it one bit. Oh yea, and let me leave you with a fact or two you can check on... Man lived on the earth at a time when the CO2 in our atmosphere was 1200 ppm it's now ONLY 440 ppm. Plants and trees would thrive the best if the CO2 was about 1000 ppm. But seeing as the earth has 25% more forestation than it did 100 years ago, I'd say were going in the wrong direction to satiate those plants/trees. Good luck with your goal Sir Don Quxote. LOL
@DropkicktheDecepticon if you agree then why did you do it lad
@DropkicktheDecepticon thats fair
Look at the Maldives, they have islands that no longer exist. Look at Venice's annual floods worsening. Look at a dude kayaking through the streets of a Florida neighborhood during the spring tide. It's already happening.
The people are ignorant 😬
Another misconception about ice is the reason it expands when frozen isn't just because of air. Water can not be compressed and the event of a liquid becoming solid, the molecules are condensing together to create a mass. Nearly all substances that become a solid after cooling will tend to stick to like particulates and condense while water, having the molecular shape it does, doesn't allow compression and expands. It's the same in a vacuum. There's a lot of chemical and physical forces involved and the subject alone is very interesting and important. If you've ever seen cracked concrete after a freeze, it's the water that's responsible.
Omg i just thought of this earlier today thank you 👍
I knew from the get go this “argument” is cringe.
To call you denser than oceanic, compressed water is an understatement
His argument makes literally no sense.
How would melting ice above the water have any different effect, on the water level? In fact, it would lower instead. By an insignifact amount, obviously. But it would lower more. Since there's a tiny percentage of a second, added to the time it can vaporize.
@DropkicktheDecepticon no. Are you?
@@callumkristofer7793 this makes absolutely no sense. Maybe the most stupid thing I’ve ever read.
Also, as water warms, it expands.
Always fun and exasperating explaining how people get smug with incomplete scientific information. Video is good, and accurate
Water is more dense than ice, so those comments are wrong anyway
You really get this kind of "Argument", aren't your followers more intelligent?
TL;DR: these comments aren’t necessarily from Atlas Pro subscribers or habitual watchers.
Lots of people hate-watch then go rabidly to a keyboard, or have the algorithm plop something on their dash and start the rabid comments before ever watching it-especially if a channel gets popular enough. Channels like Scishow get these sorts of people flooding the comments all the time
Even if some of them are…climate change deniers are a special subgroup of people that has everything to do with politics/worldview vs intelligence, unfortunately. Flatearthers are pretty much accepted as delusional, but CC Deniers are often bootlicking conservatives of varying socioeconomic backgrounds and education levels.
@@anonymousfellow8879 Bee decline and over fishing is far more immediate threat than climate change. Which the later poops feeding oceanic plants that produce 50 to 80 percent of global oxygen being defacto largest carbon sequestration hardly ever given as much publicity or praise as the #TeamTrees muppets.
It's alleged 1 acre of oceanic farming would equal up to 2 - 20 acres of forest.. even if reality is at the lower spectrum its zero risk of wildfire.
This still doesn’t change the fact that many places that are supposed to be underwater now aren’t.
Everybody talking about debunking,
What about rebunking for a change.