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GNOME Web users typically prioritize minimalism and basic web browsing, sticking to simple websites like blogs, news portals, or basic web apps. With such a niche target audience, those needing advanced features or access to complex websites usually opt for alternative browsers. Still, I'm glad it exists, and who knows what it may lead to in the future! 🌟
I use Gnome Web to test bugs that seem to be WebKit specific , since I don’t have a Mac and testing on my iPhone is tedious. I almost never encounter situations where the Safari WebKit doesn’t have the same bugs as Gnome Web.
They should move to Servo engine and develop it to be a community driven open-source project that other applications can use. I would love to see the development of a modern web browser engine that isn’t corporate built and focuses on low resource devices. Though, I am not delusional and doubt anything will ever happen with Servo to make it an alternative engine that could compete with the existing ones.
@@aheendwhz1 gecko borrowed some servo code, correct servo on its own is still very early in development and is not ready to be used by web browsers yet
Drm support is missing too. That's required for a lot of media streaming services, and their request was rejected by Google/Widevine so it's out of their hands.
People either care or not about privacy and market domination but for those reasons I do explore the alternatives and over time my Web/Epiphany experience was the same as yours and The Linux Experiment. For whatever reason I have had a better experience with Falkon. Neither are daily driver grade but I do hope they both get continued focused development. We need options
I tried GNOME Web again not too long ago. Initial impressions were positive, until I had to scroll. The scrolling is inconsistent with the rest of the GNOME desktop and feels truly atrocious. No problem, I'll just disable smooth scrolling as I dislike it anyway. Oh, there doesn't seem to be an easy way to disable smooth scrolling? That's odd, I remember there being a setting in the menu before... A quick search online reveals that the ability to disable smooth scrolling was entirely removed a few years ago because "why should scrolling ever not be smooth?". I'm not even joking. I'll stick with a less boneheaded browser, thank you very much. That said, I do think GNOME Web is really promising. There's definitely a need for a simple, uncluttered modern web browser with sane defaults. I hope it shapes up into something great.
I also gave Gnome Web a try about a month or so ago after I learned it uses WebKit, I was intrigued by the prospect of using something that shares the same engine as Safari (as I am primarily a macOS/iOS/Linux user). My experience with Gnome Web was fine for the most part, there were occasions where websites did not load correctly and extensions didn't really work that well for me, it still seems like a promising alternative to Chrome/Chromium, Edge, and Firefox on Linux. I do wonder which browser TechHut meant when he briefly mentioned KDE's web browsers with a forlorn expression. I haven't regularly used KDE in a while but I am aware of Konqueror (the parent of pretty much all Chrome/Chromium-based browsers and Safari) and oddest KDE app (since it is/was also a file manager), and I recently heard of a replacement called Falkon, however both Konqueror and Falkon use Blink, unless I am mistaken...
Still freezed when trying to open this video in it. It still has a long way to go... I wish they could transition to something different than C (maybe Rust), so they could avoid memory and threading problems from the begin with, but the code is probably too big for that. Maybe annotating the C code and using a static analyser could already help. But currently, even the test suite is only pretty bare bones, so stability, if achieved, will more or less be a coincidence. At least they have a test suite, many Gnome programs just don't. If they improve in that regard, they might do it, despite C.
Cyperdog was a kind of awesome browser in the mid-90s. Apple had some interesting ideas that just couldn't work in their timeline. But both Cyperdocs and Hypercard would be killer apps for the open-source community.
I don't see myself using it for now, but It's a nice addition in browsers nonetheless Maybe in few more releases, extensions, sync feature I'm using Brave and I hate cryptos, but the sync is flawless, no need an account for it just a secret code I love it Nice browser to use
If I had the money, skills and motivation to make gnome web I would instead support the adwatia theme for Firefox, then whatever else I can improve in Firefox directly
Feature that webkit has while chrome does not: tail recursion. In ES6 standard for almost a decade now and incredibly useful only if you can rely on it
Extensions - oh yes, Gnome Web now supports WebExt (xpi style, from firefox store) but good luck finding ANY extension which runs properly in Gnome Web. From that i tried absolute most fail completely since they call to Firefox-specific functions, some can create button on tabbar which do nothing, other have no trace of working. Just several SIMPLE one was able to actually do something.
i remember back in the days when the FLOSS comunity complained about Internet Explorer and how it was delaying the evolution of the entire Web because it refused to implement new standards, was painfully slow and was the most used browser... developers couldnt ignore the most used browser so they didnt used many features because IE didnt supported then. nowadays ... we are doing the "intenet explorer" of brosers and defending it... i hope this web browser is... good, and by good i mean follow modern web standards with an descent performance or go home.
@@priyanshusharma1812 gotta agree that it looks great however I would like to know where exactly the issue with the icons is since that could provide some valuable feedback for me
Epiphany is easily the best browser for mobile Linux. I just can't stand this weird modified Firefox version or Angelfish. Epiphany is the only Linux browser with a decent mobile interface.
So since this video was published, 1 year and 4 months have passed... As well as 3 releases of GNOME. Did GNOME Web become actually better and maybe even usable? 😅
Works terribly for me. After months it still hangs when after loading youtube or reddit or other such sites. And scrolling feels horrible using a mouse
Actually Gnome web is still as crappy as before. They didnt fixed any real problem like huge memory usage or unstable UA-cam play. Most probably they cant even if they want.
Seems like "good" is never enough for some people. And this is an obvious fact that the internet is controlled and dictated mostly (not entirely) by large tech corporations that also have browsers. Hhmmm 🤔 ... Let's see, who owns and controls the most popular video streaming platform? Yep. So, if there's any other rendering engine besides Blink or Gecko then of course you are going to have problems. WebKit isn't used by Chrome and Chrome based browsers. Mozilla was basically cornered and bullied into complying with the new internet standards. The heavy demand for JavaScript is just one example. I'm just reading the comments. And even though GNOME Web (Epiphany) is a pretty good browser, one thing's clear, people have been spoiled rotten by greedy giant tech corporations. Let's not forget that Once Upon A Linux Used To Be Sub-par compared to the MS Win operating system. It's getting better.
should have mentioned that webkit started as a kde project but forked by apple and then forked by google for chrome. funny that kde has the worst browser given that they are the ogs.
I've been using it for a while, mainly because it's coherent with the rest of Gnome, which makes it feel good. It really needs some basic work done though
Personally i find it good that we can actually have a real alternative to chrome and firefox. The better this project gets, the better it is for the open source community. (and just everyone on the internet by that matter, since google is almost at the point of having an actual monopoly in the web-browser market)
7:20 Not sure about the context of the comment but I have 2 additional web browsers on IOS. I used chrome mostly and brave as my alternative. I pretty much never intentionally use Safari.
Extensions and adblockers are the deal breakers in my browser choice. Once gnome web adds these features, i think it'll be worth a shot.
First, they need to improve the performance and fix random freeze.
It already has adblocker, it's just not very customizable
same. i would love to use qutebrowser because of its minimalism but its lack of extensions and adblockers keeps me from making the switch
They didn't even implement most basic features, like camera usage
wanna try Brave then?
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Lol, that linus segue
Ya have to get those shameful plugs in somewhere... Lol
LLAP 🖖
GNOME Web users typically prioritize minimalism and basic web browsing, sticking to simple websites like blogs, news portals, or basic web apps. With such a niche target audience, those needing advanced features or access to complex websites usually opt for alternative browsers. Still, I'm glad it exists, and who knows what it may lead to in the future! 🌟
Honestly I just want an open source ultra light weight browser with a few nice features
Can it play html5 videos
Edit : just learned it doesnt have drm support so it wont support some popular streming sites
gnome web has by far my favorite browser interface, but that lack of features makes it unusable as a daily driver right now for me
I use Gnome Web to test bugs that seem to be WebKit specific , since I don’t have a Mac and testing on my iPhone is tedious. I almost never encounter situations where the Safari WebKit doesn’t have the same bugs as Gnome Web.
Safari doesn't freeze at least ;) But for testing WebKit, Gnome Web might be great.
They should move to Servo engine and develop it to be a community driven open-source project that other applications can use. I would love to see the development of a modern web browser engine that isn’t corporate built and focuses on low resource devices. Though, I am not delusional and doubt anything will ever happen with Servo to make it an alternative engine that could compete with the existing ones.
i think servo is not ready yet
@@aquaponieee I think Gecko already uses a lot of Servo code
@@aheendwhz1 gecko borrowed some servo code, correct
servo on its own is still very early in development and is not ready to be used by web browsers yet
@@aquaponieee I am aware of that, but KHTML was just a basic engine when Apple started modifying it.
@@jfftck yeah
i don't think the GNOME community could do the same though
Drm support is missing too. That's required for a lot of media streaming services, and their request was rejected by Google/Widevine so it's out of their hands.
Drm is evil anyways 🤣
You don't need drm to visit 1337x
People either care or not about privacy and market domination but for those reasons I do explore the alternatives and over time my Web/Epiphany experience was the same as yours and The Linux Experiment. For whatever reason I have had a better experience with Falkon. Neither are daily driver grade but I do hope they both get continued focused development. We need options
Falkon uses a very old version of chromium
Honestly once extensions start working, I would be happy to daily drive gnome web, at least give it a try.
Gnome Web is the only browser I've found with out-of-the-box vdpau acceleration. I was really impressed by that
I tried GNOME Web again not too long ago. Initial impressions were positive, until I had to scroll. The scrolling is inconsistent with the rest of the GNOME desktop and feels truly atrocious. No problem, I'll just disable smooth scrolling as I dislike it anyway. Oh, there doesn't seem to be an easy way to disable smooth scrolling? That's odd, I remember there being a setting in the menu before...
A quick search online reveals that the ability to disable smooth scrolling was entirely removed a few years ago because "why should scrolling ever not be smooth?". I'm not even joking. I'll stick with a less boneheaded browser, thank you very much.
That said, I do think GNOME Web is really promising. There's definitely a need for a simple, uncluttered modern web browser with sane defaults. I hope it shapes up into something great.
I also gave Gnome Web a try about a month or so ago after I learned it uses WebKit, I was intrigued by the prospect of using something that shares the same engine as Safari (as I am primarily a macOS/iOS/Linux user). My experience with Gnome Web was fine for the most part, there were occasions where websites did not load correctly and extensions didn't really work that well for me, it still seems like a promising alternative to Chrome/Chromium, Edge, and Firefox on Linux.
I do wonder which browser TechHut meant when he briefly mentioned KDE's web browsers with a forlorn expression. I haven't regularly used KDE in a while but I am aware of Konqueror (the parent of pretty much all Chrome/Chromium-based browsers and Safari) and oddest KDE app (since it is/was also a file manager), and I recently heard of a replacement called Falkon, however both Konqueror and Falkon use Blink, unless I am mistaken...
Installed size of 12.8MB is impressive when compared to 280MB for Firefox ESR on Debian. I would like to see side-by-side benchmark.
Epiphany still stutters to play UA-cam video. The scrolling feels laggy. If this two problem get solved I am all for using epiphany.
Still freezed when trying to open this video in it. It still has a long way to go...
I wish they could transition to something different than C (maybe Rust), so they could avoid memory and threading problems from the begin with, but the code is probably too big for that. Maybe annotating the C code and using a static analyser could already help.
But currently, even the test suite is only pretty bare bones, so stability, if achieved, will more or less be a coincidence. At least they have a test suite, many Gnome programs just don't. If they improve in that regard, they might do it, despite C.
Cyperdog was a kind of awesome browser in the mid-90s. Apple had some interesting ideas that just couldn't work in their timeline. But both Cyperdocs and Hypercard would be killer apps for the open-source community.
I don't see myself using it for now, but It's a nice addition in browsers nonetheless
Maybe in few more releases, extensions, sync feature
I'm using Brave and I hate cryptos, but the sync is flawless, no need an account for it just a secret code I love it
Nice browser to use
For me, it works pretty nicely on my postmarketOS spare phone
If I had the money, skills and motivation to make gnome web I would instead support the adwatia theme for Firefox, then whatever else I can improve in Firefox directly
Adwaita theme for firefox is awesome!
It's the best for taking cool looking screenshots, though.
Still feels slow and clunky.
Feature that webkit has while chrome does not: tail recursion. In ES6 standard for almost a decade now and incredibly useful only if you can rely on it
Just don't use recursion ;)
Extensions - oh yes, Gnome Web now supports WebExt (xpi style, from firefox store) but good luck finding ANY extension which runs properly in Gnome Web. From that i tried absolute most fail completely since they call to Firefox-specific functions, some can create button on tabbar which do nothing, other have no trace of working. Just several SIMPLE one was able to actually do something.
i remember back in the days when the FLOSS comunity complained about Internet Explorer and how it was delaying the evolution of the entire Web because it refused to implement new standards, was painfully slow and was the most used browser...
developers couldnt ignore the most used browser so they didnt used many features because IE didnt supported then.
nowadays ... we are doing the "intenet explorer" of brosers and defending it...
i hope this web browser is... good, and by good i mean follow modern web standards with an descent performance or go home.
I love that it doesn't force me to use tabs
i use the gnome user chrome css thing for firefox 😭 so i feel like I'm using a gtk4 web browser but it's actually good
Hardware acceleration added just now.... Damn
What web browsers are you using & would recommend?
Loving gnome web now it is fast and simple
I like using web gnome so far
I hope it will be finally possible to scroll the content of the websites clicking on middle (scroll) button of the mouse and move it to up or down...
I want this browser so bad to work faster still like chrome
Gnome web needs a serious visual rework. Icon looks bad, and browser looks old. It also needs a rename imo.
Wtf? It looks great and probably the only browser that looks good on gnome and blends with gtk4
@@priyanshusharma1812 gotta agree that it looks great however I would like to know where exactly the issue with the icons is since that could provide some valuable feedback for me
it literally just got a serious visual rework very recently
?
From the video title only, I first thought there was a project to run Gnome from a web browser environment... WRONG
Epiphany is easily the best browser for mobile Linux. I just can't stand this weird modified Firefox version or Angelfish. Epiphany is the only Linux browser with a decent mobile interface.
My GODDD noo its bad but can get Better if yes I have no problem
Lol, what did you say?😂😂
Still sticking with firefox
why just why safari engine??
So since this video was published, 1 year and 4 months have passed... As well as 3 releases of GNOME. Did GNOME Web become actually better and maybe even usable? 😅
Thank you for saying ‘nome’ (like that word is pronounced) at 0:13 instead of ‘guh-nome’. Guh-nome drives me nuts.
I'll stick with Firefox and Chromium
Hey TechHut, am I muted on your channel or something? I'm trying to post a comment about ubuntu but it keeps disappearing.
Probably had a link in it?
@@pastenml Ah, I'm not muted.
And no, it didn't have a link. Or foul language, or really anything else I can think of.
Cool history
Works terribly for me. After months it still hangs when after loading youtube or reddit or other such sites. And scrolling feels horrible using a mouse
Unfortunately it's still too slow.
GNOME web is always a fun yearly check out...
Actually Gnome web is still as crappy as before. They didnt fixed any real problem like huge memory usage or unstable UA-cam play. Most probably they cant even if they want.
one thing that both webkit and gecko DONT do ... and it pisses me off is PWA support ... like cmon....
Gecko used to have PWA support, but they removed it some years ago.
A UA-cam video takes like 5-10 seconds to load in Gnome Web.
I hope GNOME Web can compete with Firefox soon, with Mozilla going down the toilet.
Seems like "good" is never enough for some people.
And this is an obvious fact that the internet is controlled and dictated mostly (not entirely) by large tech corporations that also have browsers.
Hhmmm 🤔 ... Let's see, who owns and controls the most popular video streaming platform? Yep. So, if there's any other rendering engine besides Blink or Gecko then of course you are going to have problems. WebKit isn't used by Chrome and Chrome based browsers. Mozilla was basically cornered and bullied into complying with the new internet standards. The heavy demand for JavaScript is just one example.
I'm just reading the comments. And even though GNOME Web (Epiphany) is a pretty good browser, one thing's clear, people have been spoiled rotten by greedy giant tech corporations. Let's not forget that Once Upon A Linux Used To Be Sub-par compared to the MS Win operating system.
It's getting better.
Its so pretty. But so slow
Seems like a waste of time. Firefox or chromium browsers work fine
For you, but not for others.
No u
That's what all the Internet Explorer users said
chrome is on iOS.... has been for a long time.
It uses WebKit like all browsers on iOS, it's just a Google Wrapper around safari on iOS
should have mentioned that webkit started as a kde project but forked by apple and then forked by google for chrome. funny that kde has the worst browser given that they are the ogs.
He says that on the video.
... No
gotta get that clickbait title
just installed it and it freezed immediately lol
gnome web is just a clone of safari😂
Mozilla went woke. Bye.
I don't get why anyone would actually use epiphany
I've been using it for a while, mainly because it's coherent with the rest of Gnome, which makes it feel good. It really needs some basic work done though
Personally i find it good that we can actually have a real alternative to chrome and firefox. The better this project gets, the better it is for the open source community. (and just everyone on the internet by that matter, since google is almost at the point of having an actual monopoly in the web-browser market)
@@notoriog I agree more choice never harmed anyone
well when even Fedora does not ship it, it means something...
7:20 Not sure about the context of the comment but I have 2 additional web browsers on IOS. I used chrome mostly and brave as my alternative. I pretty much never intentionally use Safari.
@@alex_schwartz Now I undertand. Thank you for the clarification.
@@alex_schwartz thanks to remember me why not use Apple products
Its GNOME...its...not good
If I'm going to use Webkit, I'm going to reach for Qutebrowser instead of Safari or GNOMEWeb.