Well said. I'll personally go with the designers if we're talking about user interface. For lack of a better term, it feels premium. But KDE is also awesome.
One thing I'll never understand is, why none of the other desktop environments have copied Gnomes auto spawning/deleting of workspaces... to me, that functionality should be the default modern way of handling workspaces on any desktop environment.
@@ximplex1 It’s definitely a feel thing. When I first started with Gnome’s auto-spawning workspaces, I felt like it was a huge convenience. However, as I really got into using it for productivity and entertainment, I started to feel like I was wasting time moving things around or putting up with mis-managed windows. Switching to KDE where workspaces (virtual desktops) are treated more static, I found I was able to organize myself MUCH easier, especially when taking advantage of window rules to have certain apps always start open in certain desktops. I think Gnome’s way is great for people who just wanna do random stuff on a laptop, but I must recommend KDE’s way for most anything beyond that
There's just something about the look and feel of gnome that keeps me from leaving! The stability, cohesive design, and animations are just the best. I've tried KDE and love the sleek lines, but feel the animations are lacking and it breaks too easily. XFCE is snappy but takes too much work to customize the themes one element at a time. Mate feels too retro and isn't as customizable. And Budgie has my favorite look, but lacks the broad hardware support for some of my devices... Each one has its strengths, but gnome is like the Mario of Linux- never overstated or amazing, but simply solid and reliable.
I must admit that I have severe stability issues using GNOME. So I can only agree with the animations and gtk 4 everywhere being great. Its just frustrating that many apps havent ported to it yet (Like GIMP, Boxes and other lager scale apps)
I've been a user since 1999. At that point GNOME (in all caps) was an acronym that meant GNU Network Object Model Environment. The G in GNU is specifically meant to be pronounced, so it was the same for GNOME. It's been a few years none of those things make any sense anymore, though! Thus the switch to Gnome, not all caps, too. The Network Object Model Environment part is more interesting: it was because GNOME was originally very much based on the idea of networked components similar to the Microsoft COM / OLE (Component Object Model ) or the more generic CORBA. GNOME used CORBA and Bonobo, which was only very recently fully retired from Evolution. It was an interesting idea, but it was also a very complex and thus fragile way of putting stuff together. Eventually it was all replaced by less intrusive inter-process communication technologies like D-Bus and interfaces based on XDG specifications.
You got geeky deep real fast and even though I don't have the complete historical context to understand it all, I genuinely do appreciate the history lesson. Thanks, and God bless,
I REALLY came to like GNOME. And although KDE suits my workflow more, I still choose GNOME because no other desktop feels this wholesome and polished 💪🙏
I still think that the most enjoyable part of GNOME that I've been appreciating in the combination of the workflow with workspace and track-pad gestures. makes it a really good distro for laptops and tablet type systmes
Gnome is the only reason I've started using virtual desktops!! They are so seamless and easy to use in Gnome (I do dislike the horizontal ones since 3.36 though, they are slightly more annoying to use due to the really tiny previews at the top of the overview)
I agree, and I still don't know why System76 stuck with that approach for their Cosmic desktop in POP!_OS? Like any change often is, I didn't get it at first, but now that's one of the few things I consistently miss when I'm using KDE Plasma.
Yeah, vertical desktop scrolling somehow made much more sense and felt intuitive. Especially when dragging and dropping windows to other desktops in the "expo" view.
finding the correct extension that fixes my "problem" is what i find TOTALLY INFURIATING!!! Doing the same stuff on other desktops is simply a configuration but for gnome, 1 has to know watt 2 install & hold their breath while its installing so that it doesn't break the system bec of version incompatibility.. that HAS happened b4!
I really like the simplicity and the "learn one learn them all" intuitiveness of Gnome like you said. Though I came from developing on the Mac half a decade ago. Gnome had all the Unixy bits I liked and a vaguely Mac-like UX. Some think Gnome is dumbed down, though I'd rather not spend my brain cells figuring out a DE when I could be writing shaders or physics code, doing fourier analysis, or optimizing things in assembly. I like enjoy learning complicated or difficult things, just not when it's a DE. ;) That said, I think I'm going to start donating to KDE too in 2023. Choices make things better, even if it's a choice for somebody else.
I use KDE primarily because of the ability to put "Keep above other windows" and "Shade" buttons on the title bar. Second is the ability to drag a window to the side or corner of the screen and it will resize to half or a fourth of the screen. These two are a must for my development workflow. Another one, but least important, is the ability to assign applications to different sound devices using the simply system sound icon. I can have messaging apps play through speakers while the rest play through the headphone. Or I can have two Google Chrome windows play audio through different sound devices. All these without installing plugins or editing config files. I'll switch to Gnome once these features become available as everything else is "same same" :)
@@zparihar Click on KDE sound icon you'll see two tabs: Devices and Applications. Click on Applications tab you'll see a list of applications currently outputting sound, if any. Click the hamburger icon, if you have multiple sound devices, you can select which one the application should use. You can also do the same for sound input.
@@Iamhappycoder Thanks for the response! Hmmm... I'm on Plasma 5.18 (Kubuntu 20.04), I guess its not their. I'm gonna run an upgrade soon to see if I can get that feature. Really appreciate this tip, cause that's always been something that I've wanted!
In Gnome, I always feel like I need something more. I've never been happier with it. But with KDE, I've always got what I needed and more. Most of them are literally in the settings.
I'm not a super power user, I use linux because I like bash commands over powershell and unix just makes more sense to me than the windows way of doing things. I also like the open source philosophy. That being said, I want a stable, smooth experience like something I would get out of a macbook. Gnome allows me to get that out-of-box experience where I can mess with things here and there if I want, but overall it looks really good just as-is. PopOS is treating me really really well right now.
@@replicant9611 KDE is ok..but it just stays ok..it is not better, if that was the true GNOME wouldnt be the default choice for DE in linux distros..it is better for you, not for me or any other user of GNOME..and people have the right to post whatever DE they want.
I love the customization you can do with gnome, I keep it close to default but with auto hide top panel when windows cover, app indicator icons and pop-shell-tiling. I'm a big fan of having apps or tiled apps cover the screen and swiping thru virtual desktops
Regarding the whole "consistent design" thing that GNOME affectionados keep telling me about: can you please explain why every menu looks and behaves differently? Context menus look different than headerbar menus which are different than shell menus which are different than system tray menus which are different than standard menus (in apps that still have them)? Headerbar menus are the worst: they don't behave like menus - no keyboard accessibility, can't overflow the window(!?), activates where you click rather than where you release (unlike basically any other menu in the world) and worse!
There's nothing to explain. Context menus are the last consistent thing among OSs. They all feel the same though if they're all GTK3 or GTK4. GTK4 apps have keyboard control within the menu but they can't summon it in some cases, like when a file is selected but F10 shows a specific kind of menu. The context menu button doesn't work either, they should work on it.
Gnome feels like elementary school to me after using KDE. I just cant stick with it, its lacking in so many features im used to using in KDE. But then again im one of those guys who likes to tinker. I will admit sometimes it needs to be simple and just work. For business use i would prefer Gnome over KDE so people have less to screw up and need IT to come down and fix it. Looks nice but thats it. Linux has a DE for anyone honestly, thats another reason i love it.
@donaldc3884 Yeah... mobile GUI paradigms just do not belong on the desktop, and absolutely nothing about its design could be in any way considered "familiar". Also imagine them trying to launch an application-- they'll go to click on "Activities" and get confused as to why the windows fly all over.
Fix a few things and Gnome will be perfect. 1. Fix gnome app menus: most of menus are available upon hamberger button and part of menus are on top bar like in a Macos. 2. Some apps have to be closed twice: you close app (e.g. Slack) in Dock but it appears that it is still running in top bar.
This video is pretty spot on. I've been using GNOME for three years as a daily driver. It was a steady stream of improvements and refinements. The DE never rubbed me the wrong way. It's especially nice on a laptop with touchpad, because of gestures.
Definitely GNOME is the best desktop environment. I like Unbuntu`s GNOME implementation. Thanks for Lollypop. I never used music player better than this one. One thing I miss in it is displaying the rating information in library view and playlists.
@Buried Unkind What version do you use - Snap or Flatpak? I experienced some crashes on Snap version but after I switched to Flatpak Lollypop works very well.
adaptiveness is great, and GNOME is the one DE to feel good with touch. looks like it's almost ready for mobile phones i use most apps in mobile phone ratio anyways, even the file explorer. great DE, solid choices and very consistent
Always a good video. As for whether or not Gnome is better, GNOPE. It's good, and some of the gnome apps are definitely the best for any desktop. Waiting for "Why Cinnamon is better," and "Why XFCE is better."
KDE's biggest advantage is also its biggest disadvantage. There are many configurations and layouts available, too many! It's all too easy to get overwhelmed by this and forget that a system is supposed to be about getting things done, being productive at something in whatever your job is, not setting up your environment with no end in sight. This is exactly why I gave up on KDE and use Gnome instead. Just give me a simple system that works.
I need to click 2 times to go to the main application menu or I need 2 scroll to get to the main application menu or (windows + a) I need 2 click to minimize a window Want to show app i have minimized i either need to 1. Alt+tab x number or 2. Open overview and then click I liked the minimalist design. . But If not for dash to dock and hot corner extension. I would have already ditched.
I was hoping to see an explanation for WHY clicking "top right" doesn't close the window and instead closing a window has you aim for the little "x" button instead.
Yes, but needs many plugins for a normal function and if you upgrade your gnome many plugins will not work, install nemo. Xfce is lighter, pretty and more functional.
@@bragefuglseth3505 too bad using vanilla gnome and learning the workflow doesn't bring back the features that were removed, otherwise this would have been great advice.
For me, the whole debacle of gnome vs KDE comes down to what do you want. Gnome feels smooth and i have never experienced any visual glitches and it feels super polished as a casual os for a laptop, but KDE feels more like geared towards a typical desktop workflow and it's been a couple of years of absolutely no glitches or inconsistencies in the ui, specially if you don't try to set some weird themes. Some people say kde is bloated because it has more settings available from the ui, i guess they forgot what something truly bloated is like a windows laptop. Both KDE and Gnome are really good looking out of the box and give a pretty good experience on default settings, only minor differences set them apart and those will dictate where you gravitate towards
Been a Gnome user since before 1.0, especially after 2.0 it surpassed KDE 1.1 on usability and design. When Gnome 2 was released, I was pissed that many options had been removed, but then I realized that better defaults instead of tons of options made for a much better experience. After Gnome 3, I was, again, quite disappointed about the bold move of adopting a touch-centric approach, with huge elements on the screen. However, it has been much polished over the years and it feels incredible in all devices. Even when I felt that Gnome made some decisions I disagreed with, and tried KDE again and again, never was able to stick with it, it's always been Gnome.
I really like gnome but until they provide a photo carousel widget out of the box that displays your photos like the Media Frame plasmoid in KDE I'm sticking with KDE. This kde widget has been unsurpased in functionality (even in Windows or Conky scripts) that I have yet to find a replacement.
Is there a way to customize the desktop of Gnome, where you have the list of icons and abov,e the various desktops - changing the background color, or putting in an image, as well as making the icon list INVISIBLE - except when you roll them out over the area?
for me I will use both, gnome when I just use touch pad / laptop mobile style, kde when I use the laptop as desktop style, focusing on mouse/keyboard which means if the laptop docked
Recently bought a computer from System76 and really like the customized Gnome experience. Tried KDE for the last week but I think I’m going to switch back to Gnome
kde is fully customizable silly, if you want that retarded apple feel you can just use garuda dragonized gamer os, it comes setup like how apple fanbois like it, and if you decide you dont like any single thing here is a tip, its called right click lmao, then edit and boom your gnome sucks ass
the FORCED overview at startup is dumb, I don't like workspaces if I'm not heavily multitasking for multiple clients at work, I ALWAYS disable multiple desktops for personal use, GNOME makes this as difficult as possible
I love GNOME. It's what I used when I started using Linux and I still use it even after dailydriving KDE for a month. GNOME offers a smooth workflow thanks to the overview, the touch gestures and the best integrations of workspaces I've ever seen so far. Also it looks very beautiful out of the box, making it the most beautiful DE in my opinion (yes, I think that GNOME even looks better than Deepin) When it comes to customisation, you got the classic tweak tools, extensions (I use 20 of them on my system) and Gradience, which I use to apply my custom colour scheme to my applications. Not as powerful as what KDE offers, but good enough to satisfy me
It's easy to be the best looking when it hides 99% of the real controls you'd want like..an actual taskbar/dock. They do most other things well then trip up on the single most important thing most people use the most, they're idiots.
Gnome sure looks pretty to me. But 'just BETTER' depends entirely on what your priorities are. If resource lightness is a priority, you'll probably choose something else. If 1-click customizability is a priority, you might go KDE Plasma (less need for extensions/plugins). Linux is truly blessed for desktop options! But visually, Gnome is my crush.
Are there Gnome extensions that will do the following: Hide reveal, transparent/opaque the task bar at the top of the screen? Add a DIFFERENT wallpaper or background to each of the open program screens at the top? Put a WALLPAPER/BACKGROUND IMAGE to the screen where the icons are displayed in the middle and the open programs at the top? Offer the possibility of SWITCHING to the Plasma KDE desktop upon log out/login?
The one thing I want from Gnome or a Distro/Extension is a Home Theater PC layout that works similar to the phone layout: each app is fullscreened and gets its own workspace. I'd also like it to work well with the remote KDE Big Screen suggest with the home button showing the workspaces with arrow key navigation and double tapping it opening the applications menu.
I mostly use Gnome on various distro since Fedora 15. I do really appreciate kde plasma (Kubuntu) which is installed on our multimedia and gaming family computer it works great, but on my main computer i installed back Debian 12 Gnome ; i guess i am just use to it. I do appreciate the look and feel. On others DE i always make them looks mostly like Gnome workflow ...
love gnome but i don’t know why the system preferences are so barren. i know they are trying to keep things simple but it lacks stuff regular users are looking for and supplied in all other system preference interfaces
Just you wait till I've finished my "10 ways my custom BSPWM rice is just BETTER" video! Once I've fixed my setup after the last Pacman update, I'll get right onto it....
Have been a Gnome user?.....since the 2.x days when it resembled MATE!...and have enjoyed the transition to the current version....While I have various distros installed on my multiple computers / laptops? fedora, and its Gnome desktop is my daily driver, and it most likely will be for the foreseeable future. Since I was "there" when it made the move from Gnome 2.x to 3.x and beyond?..I see no reason to switch....sure Linux Mint.....ZoprinOS.....elementary...and Pop-OS are all unique and quite pleasant to use....and I have a soft spot in my heart for Pop-OS and ZorinOS specifically...but for me?..GNome is king....LOL! Excellent video!!
I've tried both and find that KDE isn't necessarily more customizable, but rather more cluttered and reliant on user-submitted qml. It's looking better with 6.0, but I still find Gnome extensions more powerful and intuitive.
One thing GNOME doesn't get enough credit for is the interactive notifications. Not being able to click on notifications and it bringing me to the right app and screen was the very reason I left xfce. As for virtual desktops, I use them not the way GNOME intended. Virtual desktops to me are workspaces that represent processes, as opposed to simple windows. This is why I use dash to panel. Without extensions like that I can't stand the stock GNOME workflow and experience, but as a DE I like it the best due to how minimal and clean it is. The default GNOME workflow is simply inefficient. The top bar takes so much space and it's useless. Docks also take too much space, and you're left with a oversized dock and a useless top bar. Dash to panel, or otherwise a "taskbar" is the only efficient way of setting up a desktop. Laptops could be a different story due to trackpad gestures, but even there Id still take a taskbar. It's twice the height of the top panel (and you could make it even smaller), yet it combines both the dock and top panel into one.
Now, I like the top panel more because I use it for displaying widgets and nothing more. Dash is hidden, and Panel is hidden until I go to Overview, so only the wallpaper is visible normally. Yes, extensions were heavily used to achieve this, but it's not much different from the default workflow.
I honestly can have all that in KDE but the one thing thats missing is theming between gnome and qt apps. Also gnome doesn't suits my old laptop. Kde smooth all the way to the core. Gnome is good though i dont mean to disrespect gnome users
This feature is provided by Xorg and Gnome comes shipped with Wayland nowadays. I don't know how to set it up, but I can copy selected text on Debian Gnome with Wayland out of the box. If I remember correctly, I couldn't copy selected text with Fedora Gnome 35 so I guess it depends on distro's settings which means you can change it yourself.
My biggest issue with Gnome is that when I move the pointer to the upper corner of the screen and click, it doesn't close. I have went past the clickable close button and have to readjust. This is very annoying and very time consuming after so many clicks.
workflow reminds me of stage manager on iPad. It seems more refined in Gnome and iPad OS just looks polished but still needs more work. These "workflow" and "stage manager" are going to be important to professional workflow in the future in my opinion.
If you're going to talk about tiling window managers, I recommend checking out Hyprland. Recently fell in love with it. Other tiling WMs always seemed ugly, clunky, unapproachable and weird so I never made the jump.
And yet... The current generation of Gnome (43.x) has some astonishing bugs which should not have passed initial QA. Exhibit #1: Dragging and dropping between File Roller and Nautilus does. not. work. Basic (!) functionality that desktops have had for decades, and the Gnome devs cheerfully disregard that ginormous bug (and have done for 1+ years). Even if for that reason alone, I can't take them seriously.
I still like KDE more but I recently had to switch away from it due to how slow and laggy it became on my main desktop. It wasn't just wayland plus nvidia even on x11 it was getting laggy and I had it set to prefer smoothest animations. I even turned off all effects which was only way to get it to be usable. I have a feeling the culprit was the fact it was installed on a HDD instead of an SSD. On my weaker laptop which only had 6 gb of ram and less cpu cores. KDE plasma ran amazingly fast better than on the desktop with 32 GB of ram better cpu and gpu but has a HDD. I just swapped out Arch KDE for Arch Cinammon and on the laptop I switched over to Ubuntu with gnome as I prefer it's layout over Pop OS and didnt feel like hunting for extensions on Fedora. The main reason I used KDE was KDE Connect which I cant seem to get working in any other DE despite following thw instructions correctly. I tried GSConnect as well and didnt work. I'll miss KDE connect but the main thing I used it for was file transfers too and from the desktop which I cant run KDE on for some reason anymore without slowness soo without the desktop able to use it properly I guess I'll just use flash drives, or try localsend.
My biggest gripe with GNOME is the defaults are awful. 99.9% of gnome users use a full task bar... they use a dock... etc etc all these extensions. So WHY would these not be built into GNOME by now? It's been years! Starting from scratch trying to get a good GNOME setup makes me not want to bother anymore after losing my config.
it is definitely a more weighty system, though it still uses less ram than win 11 and win 10. It's not at all openbox and full twm's but it's not the worst if you have at least 8gb of ram, and for it you do get a good system for certain types of users.
The memory usage is one of my biggest gripes about GNOME (I use Xfce). Not to mention, going on 12 years later, I still haven't forgotten how badly they botched GNOME when version 3 came out -- so badly that several forks came out of it in protest, such as MATE, Cinnamon, Unity, and others whose names escape me at the moment. That said, I will say that GNOME 4 seems to have gotten its act together compared to its 3.x days. Now, if the GNOME devs could just make it use less memory... Oh, and I am pleased to see that there is the dash2panel extension, since I prefer a single panel at the bottom of the screen (yeah, I came to Linux in 2005 from Windows).
No matter how much i try to like gnome, i really can't get used to its workflow. I was a huge gnome 2 enthousiast back in the day but gnome 3 made me run to KDE plasma. In fact, i prefer almost any other DE over gnome these days and i simply hate the attitude of the gnome devs. I also can't understand why so many distro's choose gnome as their default DE, people who come from Windows are going to feel much more at home in KDE plasma then in Gnome.
Yes, their attitudes have been a MAJOR turn-off for me for a long time. Part of why I use Xfce, even though I know my system could comfortably run GNOME or KDE (KDE's overwhelming plethora of options makes my head hurt).
@@thecrow3461 Gnome doesn't want to be like Windows or macOS. It wants to compete in the philosophy battle. Which is the best way to use a PC? Windows, macOS, or Gnome? That's why it's the leader. Ubuntu doesn't want to look like Windows or macOS. RHEL doesn't want to look like Windows or macOS. It hurts their branding severely. They want to be user-friendly. And they want to define what user-friendly is alongside Windows and macOS. They want to be the leaders, not the followers. Just like macOS doesn't care how Windows work, Gnome doesn't care, either. RHEL and Ubuntu also doesn't care.
@@KhoaNguyen-sy6np Actually, Ubuntu does care, gnome was so bad back in the day they created unity. Nowadays gnome is not 'bad' , just different but the workflow is just not for me and complete disrespect of the devs regarding user feedback really puts people off. And about being the 'leader' , Its the most used DE because most distros ship it by default but that does not make it the best. MS Windows is also the 'leader' because most pc' ship it by default but the windows UI is complete shit these days.
Use your want to be nerdy powers and tell us which desktop environment DOESN'T use at least 700+MBs ( short of whatever Antix Linux and Puppy Linux use) that is ACTUALLY useable OOTB for 99% of normies. This is late 2022 going on 2023. ..If you have an argument against..THAT...get f ucking real lol.
@@const_fj Exactly...either way..it's STILL making use of the ram and is still READY..to consume that amount or more. My point still is accurate. People these days seem to think it's 21 years in the past when it comes to their expectations of ram consumption on reasonably modern day OSs.
@@motoryzen I remember booting an USB with a vanilla gnome desktop as "minimal" around 800 MB . .. I just don't remember the name of the distro. I always try to close some apps thatI think I don't need and at least I can reach 1.2 GB of RAM using almost the necesary stuff under Gnome 4. tu use it for render, for baking maps, for baking lights the rest of my RAM . . . I mean, Why do you need tracker-store? Do you really need always active gnome-software? Do you really use evolution? I know several apps use ram to work, but I think that there are apps that I don't need, should be a way to get rid of them if they aren't necesary to use most of my resources. I have always need to relay on the GB of Swamp when RAM is not enough. I'm forced to go to OpenBox and listen music in terminal to do a heavy task. I mean, I don't use the computer for programing.
@@digitalpotato4867 I don't need a tracker-store and I don't have one..I have sense enough not to use Ubuntu or gnome desktop. Mint Cinnamon here. Software Manager within Mint is a good trade off involving ram consumption at the ready versus loading and operational speed No..i don't use Evolution. I use Thunderbird Reality check...this is going on 2023...not 20 years ago. If you're trying to run ANY modern day OS ( even Mint 18.3) on less than 4GBs of ram ( remember...it's also not the OS..experience....the internet itself in the past even 8 years has become more ..well..honestly filled...some would argue..bloated even with good ad-tracking blockers and adblockers etc with a happy medium internet browser)...you're begging for a swap space consumption-fest on the daily if you're doing more than a few tabs and expect to get anything done in your PC. Pick one or the two...OR...ensure you have 8GBs of ram and a cpu that isn't a mid ranged one from 10 years ago or worse with a decent ssd and decent dedicated gpu and you'll be fine Or a ryzen mid ranged 1st gen or 2nd gen or intel high end 4th gen to mid ranged 6th gen or better and you'll be golden. Or...stick to Antix Linux...It's that simple. The competition for not only IDLE ram usage...but actual real world ( meaning ACTUALLY doing stuff with your PC other than just looking at a processes monitor software like gnome-system-monitor) is pretty neck n neck these days on modern distros and desktops..and YES..that means even xfce vs cinnamon included when you disable Effects in cinnamon.
I feel like Gnome is a copy of macOS. It looks and feels like it so much. It’s my favourite Desktop. But there is one big problem. You can’t minimise or maximise windows through a click on a button. You don’t have your dock visible on the screen. Yes you can change that but a "normal" person won’t be bothered with it and never use Gnome because of that. That’s why I think Gnome should be like Ubuntu out of the box.
he did say he's mimicking LTT and their "10 reasons why X system is just better" Hard to say which DE is the best and which OS is the best. They all have their own reasons for which they are "just better" than the others. And it can be important to show them. To praise or encourage something similar to happen with other systems
still no fractional scaling in gnome lol, kde just way better. Perfect fractional scaling is eye candy to me unlike gnome where i have to sacrifice my resolution
I'd disagree on workflow when using defaults(extensions fix this). To open a favorited application you must first move mouse cursor to top left corner, then to center bottom, this is inefficient. I believe the dock used to be on the left, idk why they moved that. Moreover the application list is useless, you gotta search for all applications that aren't favorited, I don't think I need to explain why. The solution might to simply use keyboard more, but there are tiling window managers for that... The activies overview is pretty good though.
GNOME has got extensions that allow toggling between tiling and floating windows I find Forge to be really good. I use the Super key or the trackpad gesture and turned off the left corner activation.
@@mhammadalloush5104 yeah brother, my cpu with 2 core & 4 thread in 2022 is pretty weak for gnome, interestingly KDE plasma runs smoothly and obviously the window manager i use qtile and xmonad runs smoothly, in future I'll go with a Ryzen laptops.
Gnome is more like designers are developing a DE, where KDE is like developers are trying to design a DE
Well said. I'll personally go with the designers if we're talking about user interface. For lack of a better term, it feels premium. But KDE is also awesome.
One thing I'll never understand is, why none of the other desktop environments have copied Gnomes auto spawning/deleting of workspaces... to me, that functionality should be the default modern way of handling workspaces on any desktop environment.
@@ximplex1 It’s definitely a feel thing. When I first started with Gnome’s auto-spawning workspaces, I felt like it was a huge convenience. However, as I really got into using it for productivity and entertainment, I started to feel like I was wasting time moving things around or putting up with mis-managed windows. Switching to KDE where workspaces (virtual desktops) are treated more static, I found I was able to organize myself MUCH easier, especially when taking advantage of window rules to have certain apps always start open in certain desktops.
I think Gnome’s way is great for people who just wanna do random stuff on a laptop, but I must recommend KDE’s way for most anything beyond that
Well said 💪
That's actually very well said!
There's just something about the look and feel of gnome that keeps me from leaving! The stability, cohesive design, and animations are just the best. I've tried KDE and love the sleek lines, but feel the animations are lacking and it breaks too easily. XFCE is snappy but takes too much work to customize the themes one element at a time. Mate feels too retro and isn't as customizable. And Budgie has my favorite look, but lacks the broad hardware support for some of my devices... Each one has its strengths, but gnome is like the Mario of Linux- never overstated or amazing, but simply solid and reliable.
I must admit that I have severe stability issues using GNOME. So I can only agree with the animations and gtk 4 everywhere being great. Its just frustrating that many apps havent ported to it yet (Like GIMP, Boxes and other lager scale apps)
I've been a user since 1999. At that point GNOME (in all caps) was an acronym that meant GNU Network Object Model Environment. The G in GNU is specifically meant to be pronounced, so it was the same for GNOME. It's been a few years none of those things make any sense anymore, though! Thus the switch to Gnome, not all caps, too.
The Network Object Model Environment part is more interesting: it was because GNOME was originally very much based on the idea of networked components similar to the Microsoft COM / OLE (Component Object Model ) or the more generic CORBA. GNOME used CORBA and Bonobo, which was only very recently fully retired from Evolution. It was an interesting idea, but it was also a very complex and thus fragile way of putting stuff together. Eventually it was all replaced by less intrusive inter-process communication technologies like D-Bus and interfaces based on XDG specifications.
You got geeky deep real fast and even though I don't have the complete historical context to understand it all, I genuinely do appreciate the history lesson. Thanks, and God bless,
Thanks for all the info 😊
Thank you for informing us. ☺️
It's still GNOME all caps
I REALLY came to like GNOME. And although KDE suits my workflow more, I still choose GNOME because no other desktop feels this wholesome and polished 💪🙏
my hecking Gnome is so wholesome! xDD
"no other desktop feels this wholesome and polished"
MATE and Budgie.
@@folksurvival Not remotely as polished or developed as Gnome
@@CesarPeron Mate is a fork of GNOME 2 and Budgie is a fork of GNOME 3.
Hence GNOME 4 has more polish put into it. Looking just at the design, I also think its not much of a discussion that GNOME 4 is more modern.
I still think that the most enjoyable part of GNOME that I've been appreciating in the combination of the workflow with workspace and track-pad gestures. makes it a really good distro for laptops and tablet type systmes
Gnome is the only reason I've started using virtual desktops!!
They are so seamless and easy to use in Gnome
(I do dislike the horizontal ones since 3.36 though, they are slightly more annoying to use due to the really tiny previews at the top of the overview)
I agree, and I still don't know why System76 stuck with that approach for their Cosmic desktop in POP!_OS? Like any change often is, I didn't get it at first, but now that's one of the few things I consistently miss when I'm using KDE Plasma.
I like the look of the horizontal ones but I agree that it seems like they made it a bit less functional and more awkward to use
Yeah, vertical desktop scrolling somehow made much more sense and felt intuitive. Especially when dragging and dropping windows to other desktops in the "expo" view.
finding the correct extension that fixes my "problem" is what i find TOTALLY INFURIATING!!! Doing the same stuff on other desktops is simply a configuration but for gnome, 1 has to know watt 2 install & hold their breath while its installing so that it doesn't break the system bec of version incompatibility.. that HAS happened b4!
I really like the simplicity and the "learn one learn them all" intuitiveness of Gnome like you said. Though I came from developing on the Mac half a decade ago. Gnome had all the Unixy bits I liked and a vaguely Mac-like UX. Some think Gnome is dumbed down, though I'd rather not spend my brain cells figuring out a DE when I could be writing shaders or physics code, doing fourier analysis, or optimizing things in assembly. I like enjoy learning complicated or difficult things, just not when it's a DE. ;) That said, I think I'm going to start donating to KDE too in 2023. Choices make things better, even if it's a choice for somebody else.
I do appreciate Gnome. Though you only need to learn KDE once, then the worlds your Oyster.
I use KDE primarily because of the ability to put "Keep above other windows" and "Shade" buttons on the title bar. Second is the ability to drag a window to the side or corner of the screen and it will resize to half or a fourth of the screen. These two are a must for my development workflow.
Another one, but least important, is the ability to assign applications to different sound devices using the simply system sound icon. I can have messaging apps play through speakers while the rest play through the headphone. Or I can have two Google Chrome windows play audio through different sound devices.
All these without installing plugins or editing config files.
I'll switch to Gnome once these features become available as everything else is "same same" :)
Keep on top is in GNOME lol
@@afonsosousa6819 but not on the title bar as a button :(
How do you assign applications to different sound devices in KDE? I'd love to use that feature.
@@zparihar Click on KDE sound icon you'll see two tabs: Devices and Applications. Click on Applications tab you'll see a list of applications currently outputting sound, if any. Click the hamburger icon, if you have multiple sound devices, you can select which one the application should use.
You can also do the same for sound input.
@@Iamhappycoder Thanks for the response! Hmmm... I'm on Plasma 5.18 (Kubuntu 20.04), I guess its not their. I'm gonna run an upgrade soon to see if I can get that feature. Really appreciate this tip, cause that's always been something that I've wanted!
In Gnome, I always feel like I need something more. I've never been happier with it. But with KDE, I've always got what I needed and more. Most of them are literally in the settings.
I'm not a super power user, I use linux because I like bash commands over powershell and unix just makes more sense to me than the windows way of doing things. I also like the open source philosophy. That being said, I want a stable, smooth experience like something I would get out of a macbook. Gnome allows me to get that out-of-box experience where I can mess with things here and there if I want, but overall it looks really good just as-is. PopOS is treating me really really well right now.
Also, 10 ways KDE is just BETTER: ua-cam.com/video/3nX1YEQg5Z0/v-deo.html
Bro, KDE is better at everything. Stop making such ridiculous videos about Gnome. KDE is just better at everything.
@@replicant9611 bro, it's okay
@@replicant9611 KDE is ok..but it just stays ok..it is not better, if that was the true GNOME wouldnt be the default choice for DE in linux distros..it is better for you, not for me or any other user of GNOME..and people have the right to post whatever DE they want.
I love the customization you can do with gnome, I keep it close to default but with auto hide top panel when windows cover, app indicator icons and pop-shell-tiling. I'm a big fan of having apps or tiled apps cover the screen and swiping thru virtual desktops
Appreciate the work you've put into this video. It's a great argument for GNOME!
Regarding the whole "consistent design" thing that GNOME affectionados keep telling me about: can you please explain why every menu looks and behaves differently? Context menus look different than headerbar menus which are different than shell menus which are different than system tray menus which are different than standard menus (in apps that still have them)? Headerbar menus are the worst: they don't behave like menus - no keyboard accessibility, can't overflow the window(!?), activates where you click rather than where you release (unlike basically any other menu in the world) and worse!
There's nothing to explain. Context menus are the last consistent thing among OSs. They all feel the same though if they're all GTK3 or GTK4.
GTK4 apps have keyboard control within the menu but they can't summon it in some cases, like when a file is selected but F10 shows a specific kind of menu. The context menu button doesn't work either, they should work on it.
Gnome feels like elementary school to me after using KDE. I just cant stick with it, its lacking in so many features im used to using in KDE. But then again im one of those guys who likes to tinker. I will admit sometimes it needs to be simple and just work. For business use i would prefer Gnome over KDE so people have less to screw up and need IT to come down and fix it. Looks nice but thats it. Linux has a DE for anyone honestly, thats another reason i love it.
The problem with GNOME in that context is that the layman is going to be confused by it and hate it.
@@chrisxdeboy Think so? I always thought it would be pretty easy for newbies to use since its very familiar to "device" gui's.
@donaldc3884 Yeah... mobile GUI paradigms just do not belong on the desktop, and absolutely nothing about its design could be in any way considered "familiar".
Also imagine them trying to launch an application-- they'll go to click on "Activities" and get confused as to why the windows fly all over.
Gnome is an awesome Desktop, the lack of features and amount of NACKs by the devs is really annoying though. Still prefer it over KDE
Fix a few things and Gnome will be perfect. 1. Fix gnome app menus: most of menus are available upon hamberger button and part of menus are on top bar like in a Macos. 2. Some apps have to be closed twice: you close app (e.g. Slack) in Dock but it appears that it is still running in top bar.
This video is pretty spot on. I've been using GNOME for three years as a daily driver. It was a steady stream of improvements and refinements. The DE never rubbed me the wrong way. It's especially nice on a laptop with touchpad, because of gestures.
Definitely GNOME is the best desktop environment. I like Unbuntu`s GNOME implementation. Thanks for Lollypop. I never used music player better than this one. One thing I miss in it is displaying the rating information in library view and playlists.
@Buried Unkind What version do you use - Snap or Flatpak? I experienced some crashes on Snap version but after I switched to Flatpak Lollypop works very well.
@Buried Unkind I can not say my music library is small, but I don't meet any problems with Lollypop though. Ubuntu 22.10.
@Buried Unkind Are they located on ext3/4 filesystem drive? I suppose Lollypop can have some troubles with other types of filesystems.
adaptiveness is great, and GNOME is the one DE to feel good with touch. looks like it's almost ready for mobile phones
i use most apps in mobile phone ratio anyways, even the file explorer.
great DE, solid choices and very consistent
Gnome is pretty good I used it with fedora but kde is just love.
Always a good video. As for whether or not Gnome is better, GNOPE. It's good, and some of the gnome apps are definitely the best for any desktop. Waiting for "Why Cinnamon is better," and "Why XFCE is better."
KDE's biggest advantage is also its biggest disadvantage. There are many configurations and layouts available, too many! It's all too easy to get overwhelmed by this and forget that a system is supposed to be about getting things done, being productive at something in whatever your job is, not setting up your environment with no end in sight. This is exactly why I gave up on KDE and use Gnome instead. Just give me a simple system that works.
I need to click 2 times to go to the main application menu or
I need 2 scroll to get to the main application menu or (windows + a)
I need 2 click to minimize a window
Want to show app i have minimized i either need to
1. Alt+tab x number or
2. Open overview and then click
I liked the minimalist design. . But If not for dash to dock and hot corner extension. I would have already ditched.
I was hoping to see an explanation for WHY clicking "top right" doesn't close the window and instead closing a window has you aim for the little "x" button instead.
Yes, but needs many plugins for a normal function and if you upgrade your gnome many plugins will not work, install nemo.
Xfce is lighter, pretty and more functional.
You can use it without plugins, if you learn the workflow. Vanilla GNOME is really nice imo
@@bragefuglseth3505 too bad using vanilla gnome and learning the workflow doesn't bring back the features that were removed, otherwise this would have been great advice.
@@juanromanlopez4959 you don't need to use it, you know
For me, the whole debacle of gnome vs KDE comes down to what do you want. Gnome feels smooth and i have never experienced any visual glitches and it feels super polished as a casual os for a laptop, but KDE feels more like geared towards a typical desktop workflow and it's been a couple of years of absolutely no glitches or inconsistencies in the ui, specially if you don't try to set some weird themes.
Some people say kde is bloated because it has more settings available from the ui, i guess they forgot what something truly bloated is like a windows laptop.
Both KDE and Gnome are really good looking out of the box and give a pretty good experience on default settings, only minor differences set them apart and those will dictate where you gravitate towards
Been a Gnome user since before 1.0, especially after 2.0 it surpassed KDE 1.1 on usability and design.
When Gnome 2 was released, I was pissed that many options had been removed, but then I realized that better defaults instead of tons of options made for a much better experience.
After Gnome 3, I was, again, quite disappointed about the bold move of adopting a touch-centric approach, with huge elements on the screen. However, it has been much polished over the years and it feels incredible in all devices.
Even when I felt that Gnome made some decisions I disagreed with, and tried KDE again and again, never was able to stick with it, it's always been Gnome.
I really like gnome but until they provide a photo carousel widget out of the box that displays your photos like the Media Frame plasmoid in KDE I'm sticking with KDE. This kde widget has been unsurpased in functionality (even in Windows or Conky scripts) that I have yet to find a replacement.
Gnome without extensions would be nothing
Is there a way to customize the desktop of Gnome, where you have the list of icons and abov,e the various desktops - changing the background color, or putting in an image, as well as making the icon list INVISIBLE - except when you roll them out over the area?
for me I will use both, gnome when I just use touch pad / laptop mobile style, kde when I use the laptop as desktop style, focusing on mouse/keyboard which means if the laptop docked
Recently bought a computer from System76 and really like the customized Gnome experience. Tried KDE for the last week but I think I’m going to switch back to Gnome
kde is fully customizable silly, if you want that retarded apple feel you can just use garuda dragonized gamer os, it comes setup like how apple fanbois like it, and if you decide you dont like any single thing here is a tip, its called right click lmao, then edit and boom your gnome sucks ass
the FORCED overview at startup is dumb, I don't like workspaces if I'm not heavily multitasking for multiple clients at work, I ALWAYS disable multiple desktops for personal use, GNOME makes this as difficult as possible
You can change the overview at startup with gnome extensions :)
You can change the overview at startup with gnome extensions :)
I love GNOME. It's what I used when I started using Linux and I still use it even after dailydriving KDE for a month. GNOME offers a smooth workflow thanks to the overview, the touch gestures and the best integrations of workspaces I've ever seen so far. Also it looks very beautiful out of the box, making it the most beautiful DE in my opinion (yes, I think that GNOME even looks better than Deepin)
When it comes to customisation, you got the classic tweak tools, extensions (I use 20 of them on my system) and Gradience, which I use to apply my custom colour scheme to my applications. Not as powerful as what KDE offers, but good enough to satisfy me
It's easy to be the best looking when it hides 99% of the real controls you'd want like..an actual taskbar/dock. They do most other things well then trip up on the single most important thing most people use the most, they're idiots.
In my opinion, KDE is for PCs, and gnome is for laptops (just based on two of his videos)
This video was more like the history of your beard. Fascinating to see it change throughout time :)
Gnome sure looks pretty to me. But 'just BETTER' depends entirely on what your priorities are. If resource lightness is a priority, you'll probably choose something else. If 1-click customizability is a priority, you might go KDE Plasma (less need for extensions/plugins). Linux is truly blessed for desktop options! But visually, Gnome is my crush.
Can I download it and install it on my MacBook. Or do I need to do something else.Never used Linux before
Are there Gnome extensions that will do the following:
Hide reveal, transparent/opaque the task bar at the top of the screen?
Add a DIFFERENT wallpaper or background to each of the open program screens at the top?
Put a WALLPAPER/BACKGROUND IMAGE to the screen where the icons are displayed in the middle and the open programs at the top?
Offer the possibility of SWITCHING to the Plasma KDE desktop upon log out/login?
Can icons on "taskbar" and "start menu" be made smaller? Why they are so big in default setting? It's too big even for touch interface.
The one thing I want from Gnome or a Distro/Extension is a Home Theater PC layout that works similar to the phone layout: each app is fullscreened and gets its own workspace. I'd also like it to work well with the remote KDE Big Screen suggest with the home button showing the workspaces with arrow key navigation and double tapping it opening the applications menu.
Whoa a GNOME-based competitor to KDE Big Screen would be cool.
I mostly use Gnome on various distro since Fedora 15. I do really appreciate kde plasma (Kubuntu) which is installed on our multimedia and gaming family computer it works great, but on my main computer i installed back Debian 12 Gnome ; i guess i am just use to it. I do appreciate the look and feel. On others DE i always make them looks mostly like Gnome workflow ...
love gnome but i don’t know why the system preferences are so barren. i know they are trying to keep things simple but it lacks stuff regular users are looking for and supplied in all other system preference interfaces
Do Cinnamon next! About the rest I dont care. :)
Excellent choice in music my man.
I'm a lifelong mac user and GNOME feels so much more natural to me than KDE.
Just you wait till I've finished my "10 ways my custom BSPWM rice is just BETTER" video! Once I've fixed my setup after the last Pacman update, I'll get right onto it....
GNOME just feels more polished to me and with an Nvidia GPU, I don't have the same screen tearing issues on GNOME as I do with Plasma.
Just wanted to take a moment to appreciate your music taste!
Have been a Gnome user?.....since the 2.x days when it resembled MATE!...and have enjoyed the transition to the current version....While I have various distros installed on my multiple computers / laptops? fedora, and its Gnome desktop is my daily driver, and it most likely will be for the foreseeable future. Since I was "there" when it made the move from Gnome 2.x to 3.x and beyond?..I see no reason to switch....sure Linux Mint.....ZoprinOS.....elementary...and Pop-OS are all unique and quite pleasant to use....and I have a soft spot in my heart for Pop-OS and ZorinOS specifically...but for me?..GNome is king....LOL! Excellent video!!
I like Gnome (in particular custom Ubuntu Gnome) for its simplicity. I was KDE user, but KDE is too powerful for customization.
I've tried both and find that KDE isn't necessarily more customizable, but rather more cluttered and reliant on user-submitted qml. It's looking better with 6.0, but I still find Gnome extensions more powerful and intuitive.
Ramstein and Nine Inch Nails, nice music taste TechHut! Nice video
Will there be an xfce, and cinnamon video
I like 'guh nome' cuz it's just more fun to say, like 'gnu', or the Australian greeting 'g'day'!
I believe Endless also gets a lot of funding from ASUS.
One thing GNOME doesn't get enough credit for is the interactive notifications. Not being able to click on notifications and it bringing me to the right app and screen was the very reason I left xfce. As for virtual desktops, I use them not the way GNOME intended. Virtual desktops to me are workspaces that represent processes, as opposed to simple windows. This is why I use dash to panel. Without extensions like that I can't stand the stock GNOME workflow and experience, but as a DE I like it the best due to how minimal and clean it is. The default GNOME workflow is simply inefficient.
The top bar takes so much space and it's useless. Docks also take too much space, and you're left with a oversized dock and a useless top bar. Dash to panel, or otherwise a "taskbar" is the only efficient way of setting up a desktop. Laptops could be a different story due to trackpad gestures, but even there Id still take a taskbar. It's twice the height of the top panel (and you could make it even smaller), yet it combines both the dock and top panel into one.
Now, I like the top panel more because I use it for displaying widgets and nothing more. Dash is hidden, and Panel is hidden until I go to Overview, so only the wallpaper is visible normally. Yes, extensions were heavily used to achieve this, but it's not much different from the default workflow.
Still prefer classic gnome over the updated ui version. Layout switcher looks amazing though.
I honestly can have all that in KDE but the one thing thats missing is theming between gnome and qt apps. Also gnome doesn't suits my old laptop. Kde smooth all the way to the core. Gnome is good though i dont mean to disrespect gnome users
There is one feature I miss in Gnome. Automatically copy selected text to the clipboard.
This feature is provided by Xorg and Gnome comes shipped with Wayland nowadays. I don't know how to set it up, but I can copy selected text on Debian Gnome with Wayland out of the box. If I remember correctly, I couldn't copy selected text with Fedora Gnome 35 so I guess it depends on distro's settings which means you can change it yourself.
My biggest issue with Gnome is that when I move the pointer to the upper corner of the screen and click, it doesn't close. I have went past the clickable close button and have to readjust. This is very annoying and very time consuming after so many clicks.
I want to start using gnome should I install it through Ubuntu or fedora, which is better?
Neither, it's your choice. Main difference is ubuntu uses apt and Fedora uses DNF
workflow reminds me of stage manager on iPad. It seems more refined in Gnome and iPad OS just looks polished but still needs more work. These "workflow" and "stage manager" are going to be important to professional workflow in the future in my opinion.
Thanks for making this video!
I think I'll stay with KDE. I can't explain why, but GNOME simply ain't it for me.
If you're going to talk about tiling window managers, I recommend checking out Hyprland. Recently fell in love with it. Other tiling WMs always seemed ugly, clunky, unapproachable and weird so I never made the jump.
I prefer Gnome window aesthetics of CSD over the huge/double KDE window-headers
And yet... The current generation of Gnome (43.x) has some astonishing bugs which should not have passed initial QA. Exhibit #1: Dragging and dropping between File Roller and Nautilus does. not. work. Basic (!) functionality that desktops have had for decades, and the Gnome devs cheerfully disregard that ginormous bug (and have done for 1+ years). Even if for that reason alone, I can't take them seriously.
can you please try Q4OS 4.11 Gemini? weird little distribution.
I still like KDE more but I recently had to switch away from it due to how slow and laggy it became on my main desktop. It wasn't just wayland plus nvidia even on x11 it was getting laggy and I had it set to prefer smoothest animations. I even turned off all effects which was only way to get it to be usable. I have a feeling the culprit was the fact it was installed on a HDD instead of an SSD.
On my weaker laptop which only had 6 gb of ram and less cpu cores. KDE plasma ran amazingly fast better than on the desktop with 32 GB of ram better cpu and gpu but has a HDD. I just swapped out Arch KDE for Arch Cinammon and on the laptop I switched over to Ubuntu with gnome as I prefer it's layout over Pop OS and didnt feel like hunting for extensions on Fedora. The main reason I used KDE was KDE Connect which I cant seem to get working in any other DE despite following thw instructions correctly. I tried GSConnect as well and didnt work. I'll miss KDE connect but the main thing I used it for was file transfers too and from the desktop which I cant run KDE on for some reason anymore without slowness soo without the desktop able to use it properly I guess I'll just use flash drives, or try localsend.
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Gnome is awesome, I love its workflow, and Lollipop I think it's my favorite music player since Winamp!
13:54 being backed by red hat aged quickly 😂😂😂
My biggest gripe with GNOME is the defaults are awful. 99.9% of gnome users use a full task bar... they use a dock... etc etc all these extensions. So WHY would these not be built into GNOME by now? It's been years! Starting from scratch trying to get a good GNOME setup makes me not want to bother anymore after losing my config.
A Perfect Circle, nice!
Gnome is a memory hog or atleast for me, I rock MInt CInnamon and happy with it.
it is definitely a more weighty system, though it still uses less ram than win 11 and win 10. It's not at all openbox and full twm's but it's not the worst if you have at least 8gb of ram, and for it you do get a good system for certain types of users.
Cinnamon is havier than gnome
The memory usage is one of my biggest gripes about GNOME (I use Xfce). Not to mention, going on 12 years later, I still haven't forgotten how badly they botched GNOME when version 3 came out -- so badly that several forks came out of it in protest, such as MATE, Cinnamon, Unity, and others whose names escape me at the moment.
That said, I will say that GNOME 4 seems to have gotten its act together compared to its 3.x days. Now, if the GNOME devs could just make it use less memory...
Oh, and I am pleased to see that there is the dash2panel extension, since I prefer a single panel at the bottom of the screen (yeah, I came to Linux in 2005 from Windows).
@@fredmckinney8933 HI, Fred can you link me to any articles online where it says that mate, cinnamon, etc. came out as a protest to memory hog Gnome.
No matter how much i try to like gnome, i really can't get used to its workflow. I was a huge gnome 2 enthousiast back in the day but gnome 3 made me run to KDE plasma. In fact, i prefer almost any other DE over gnome these days and i simply hate the attitude of the gnome devs. I also can't understand why so many distro's choose gnome as their default DE, people who come from Windows are going to feel much more at home in KDE plasma then in Gnome.
Maybe GNOME devs are targeting MacOS users, not Windows users
@@JosifovGjorgi Gnome doesn't resemble macos either so no matter where you come from, the workflow will be different to what you're used to.
Yes, their attitudes have been a MAJOR turn-off for me for a long time. Part of why I use Xfce, even though I know my system could comfortably run GNOME or KDE (KDE's overwhelming plethora of options makes my head hurt).
@@thecrow3461
Gnome doesn't want to be like Windows or macOS. It wants to compete in the philosophy battle. Which is the best way to use a PC? Windows, macOS, or Gnome? That's why it's the leader.
Ubuntu doesn't want to look like Windows or macOS. RHEL doesn't want to look like Windows or macOS. It hurts their branding severely. They want to be user-friendly. And they want to define what user-friendly is alongside Windows and macOS. They want to be the leaders, not the followers. Just like macOS doesn't care how Windows work, Gnome doesn't care, either. RHEL and Ubuntu also doesn't care.
@@KhoaNguyen-sy6np Actually, Ubuntu does care, gnome was so bad back in the day they created unity. Nowadays gnome is not 'bad' , just different but the workflow is just not for me and complete disrespect of the devs regarding user feedback really puts people off. And about being the 'leader' , Its the most used DE because most distros ship it by default but that does not make it the best. MS Windows is also the 'leader' because most pc' ship it by default but the windows UI is complete shit these days.
I only refer to gnome as gnome in arch forums or arch Reddit. Everywhere else I pronounce it as god intended, gnome.
Sadly, couldn't adjust scroll speed in ubuntu and fedora
You mean mouse speed? If so it's available in Ubuntu I'm not sure about fedora as I have never tried it.
@@Austinredstoner No. scroll speed of lists
I first used Manjaro with Gnome and didnt realy like it. Since then I switched to Fedora and after customising Gnome I love it.
Using your ginger powers, can you tell us which distro uses Gnome so optimized that doesn't load more than 1 gb of ram just with the vanilla settings?
@Lee This isn't a Ubuntu knock-off, right?
Use your want to be nerdy powers and tell us which desktop environment DOESN'T use at least 700+MBs ( short of whatever Antix Linux and Puppy Linux use) that is ACTUALLY useable OOTB for 99% of normies.
This is late 2022 going on 2023. ..If you have an argument against..THAT...get f ucking real lol.
@@const_fj Exactly...either way..it's STILL making use of the ram and is still READY..to consume that amount or more.
My point still is accurate. People these days seem to think it's 21 years in the past when it comes to their expectations of ram consumption on reasonably modern day OSs.
@@motoryzen I remember booting an USB with a vanilla gnome desktop as "minimal" around 800 MB . .. I just don't remember the name of the distro. I always try to close some apps thatI think I don't need and at least I can reach 1.2 GB of RAM using almost the necesary stuff under Gnome 4. tu use it for render, for baking maps, for baking lights the rest of my RAM . . . I mean, Why do you need tracker-store? Do you really need always active gnome-software? Do you really use evolution?
I know several apps use ram to work, but I think that there are apps that I don't need, should be a way to get rid of them if they aren't necesary to use most of my resources. I have always need to relay on the GB of Swamp when RAM is not enough. I'm forced to go to OpenBox and listen music in terminal to do a heavy task. I mean, I don't use the computer for programing.
@@digitalpotato4867
I don't need a tracker-store and I don't have one..I have sense enough not to use Ubuntu or gnome desktop. Mint Cinnamon here.
Software Manager within Mint is a good trade off involving ram consumption at the ready versus loading and operational speed
No..i don't use Evolution. I use Thunderbird
Reality check...this is going on 2023...not 20 years ago. If you're trying to run ANY modern day OS ( even Mint 18.3) on less than 4GBs of ram ( remember...it's also not the OS..experience....the internet itself in the past even 8 years has become more ..well..honestly filled...some would argue..bloated even with good ad-tracking blockers and adblockers etc with a happy medium internet browser)...you're begging for a swap space consumption-fest on the daily if you're doing more than a few tabs and expect to get anything done in your PC.
Pick one or the two...OR...ensure you have 8GBs of ram and a cpu that isn't a mid ranged one from 10 years ago or worse with a decent ssd and decent dedicated gpu and you'll be fine
Or a ryzen mid ranged 1st gen or 2nd gen or intel high end 4th gen to mid ranged 6th gen or better and you'll be golden.
Or...stick to Antix Linux...It's that simple.
The competition for not only IDLE ram usage...but actual real world ( meaning ACTUALLY doing stuff with your PC other than just looking at a processes monitor software like gnome-system-monitor) is pretty neck n neck these days on modern distros and desktops..and YES..that means even xfce vs cinnamon included when you disable Effects in cinnamon.
Is there any news on gnome os
Tried KDE, was a buggy mess. I'm on Debian, I expect a solid desktop environment.
Legends use cinnamon
cinnamon is not very good imo
It's "Gnome" as in garden gnome. There's no "guh" in front of it. If you disagree I'm going to park my car on your foot until you recant.
Again...the damn DEVS of the damn desktop environment have said. they don't care how it's pronounced anymore.
Who...f ucking...cares. you'll be ok.
Next it could be a 10 why is the worst for KDE and gnome?
I feel like Gnome is a copy of macOS. It looks and feels like it so much. It’s my favourite Desktop. But there is one big problem. You can’t minimise or maximise windows through a click on a button. You don’t have your dock visible on the screen. Yes you can change that but a "normal" person won’t be bothered with it and never use Gnome because of that. That’s why I think Gnome should be like Ubuntu out of the box.
Arch gnome 43 with wayland is so amazing.
I think gnome looks childish and needs ton of add-ons to be decent (for my taste), KDE just looks better in my opinion.
You miss driver issues 🙃
What is the difference between a Linux Distro and a Linux Desktop Environment?
Cinnamon best
Best gnome app, gnome disk utility I install it no matter the de.
Worst gnome app, easily Nautilus.
Hold on a sec... Wasn't KDE "just better" *just* 7 days ago?
he did say he's mimicking LTT and their "10 reasons why X system is just better"
Hard to say which DE is the best and which OS is the best. They all have their own reasons for which they are "just better" than the others. And it can be important to show them. To praise or encourage something similar to happen with other systems
In Brasil we pronounce "Gi-No-Mi" and i think it's beautiful
It's supposedly GUH-NOME but I enjoy mispronouncing it almost as much as Quinoa.
still no fractional scaling in gnome lol, kde just way better. Perfect fractional scaling is eye candy to me unlike gnome where i have to sacrifice my resolution
I'd disagree on workflow when using defaults(extensions fix this). To open a favorited application you must first move mouse cursor to top left corner, then to center bottom, this is inefficient. I believe the dock used to be on the left, idk why they moved that. Moreover the application list is useless, you gotta search for all applications that aren't favorited, I don't think I need to explain why. The solution might to simply use keyboard more, but there are tiling window managers for that... The activies overview is pretty good though.
GNOME has got extensions that allow toggling between tiling and floating windows I find Forge to be really good.
I use the Super key or the trackpad gesture and turned off the left corner activation.
My laptop with core i5 7200u from 2016 and it just can't handle Gnome 43!
So its not just my i5-3230m
@@mhammadalloush5104 yeah brother, my cpu with 2 core & 4 thread in 2022 is pretty weak for gnome, interestingly KDE plasma runs smoothly and obviously the window manager i use qtile and xmonad runs smoothly, in future I'll go with a Ryzen laptops.
It is fantastic with dash to panel, arc menu/runner, and blur my shell.
Really like plasma and cinnamon also
GNOME: You can say my name however you want
openSUSE: How do you say SUSE? - song :d