Bayaz is prefect subversion | First Law
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- Опубліковано 9 січ 2022
- Bayaz is one of the most interesting characters in the first law trilogy and subverts an old fantasy trope really well.
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As a wise man on Reddit once said, "flamboyantly bombastic old bitch in a millennia spanning slapfight with his roommate from wizard school" is an absolutely banger villain type.
Exactly. All of what we read was really just a centuries- long dick measuring contest between two former pupils. I had to take a shower after I finished the series. I felt dirty, haha. Used Wheel of Time as a chaser.
So The Monarch?
Glokta got a pretty happy ending compared to everybody else
Yeah he's a piece of shit but I was happy for him.
Even in Age of Madness he went out as winner
@@FuckfreysLuvfamily you right about that. The only person in the entire series to get one over on Bayaz
Is a very bad ending for him, from the first book ending of words and dust chaapther:
-Don't you realize that without the past you can't have a future? Who will take care of the past when I'm not here?
-who cares? Glokta said as he hurried to the stairs.- As long as it's not me...
POV: ends up being the connection between Bayas and a new modern society
It was relatively good all around. The only one to get entirely, royally and utterly fucked was West, as per.
I can’t stand by. I know this video is about bayaz but Jezal isn’t just someone who gives up on his people. He grows and constantly goes against bayaz for the entirety of the last book. Bayaz is a man he knows is extremely dangerous and quick to anger and yet Jezal constantly goes against him in order to help his people. I don’t think we can blame Jezal when he stands up for his people right up until he gets literally tortured by bayaz. Jezal becomes a genuinely good man and could have been a good king but it really isn’t his fault
That's completely true, I talked about most of the characters beside Bayaz as the person they are introduced as but they all develop in really well written ways. Even more reason to love this series, still hope you enjoyed the thing I made a little.
I couldn't disagree more; jezal starts as a self conceited and self absorbed coward. He adapts to different circumstances of the journey but retains his flaws till the end. Just like logan, just like Ferro. Abercrombie dangles character changes all the way through and leaves all the characters exactly where they began; albeit with a few more scars and some small changes in circumstance. A few go back to the mud I suppose, that's probably the major character development he's not too shy of. Haha
100% agree. Jezal, while still flawed, cares deeply for the small people of Adua, if not All of Midderland. He stands up to Bayaz who uses Art to torture Jezal into submission. He the goes on to call Jezal a weak coward when that couldn't be further from the truth. We see from Glokta that bravery means nothing in the face of torture.
Joe Abercrombie is SUCH clever bastard and master of deception in his writing...he makes me love a character until i really find out who they are and LOATHE another until i understand what made them what they are. Nothing ever really is as it appears to be in his world.
Love the Bayaz turn in this series, and love how Glokta went from interesting, but formulaic, torturer to one of my favorite characters in recent literature.
Glokta is one of the best "villains" in any story for me. Just the way you're able to completely understand his thought process.
I was shook at how this was set up and revealed. The idea of (SPOILER) setting up the Eaters as these terrible creatures and revealing that Bayaz uses them too (and without reservation) was great
When you finally got the full picture on Bayaz it's earth shattering. Although I suspected pretty early that something was going on.
The man behind the curtain... The Wizard of Oz
He do be scheming in the background this old man.
This is awesome man!
Great video. Bayaz, in my view, is not just a power hungry egomaniac. He’s a realist, he aims to survive and as a man on top of the food chain one of his tools is mastering the rules - changing them as he pleases. I don’t think he’s a bad person, a sociopath, he just plays to survive. He never hurts anyone if he doesn’t have to and often try peaceful means first. On the other side he know what it takes to be a victor I.e survival. This makes him interesting. A fun and tedious old man at times, a merciless power player at other times. Good or bad, he’s neither - he’s just the best player of a deadly game.
Yes, you just cant laze of middle of nowhere and let civilization happen and they can decide that they are power and you are monaingless your rights are meaningless, its smarter to have control over it.
I disagree, this is a hugely romanticized view of Bayaz. Yes, he's a realist, but he's not in any way peaceful leaning, compassionate or a good person. He plays a power game against Khalul and aims to always be the person who controlls all the strings from the shadows while having the freedom to either live in seclusion or however he sees fit. He's an ambitious, merciless and efficient guy who knows what he wants and doesn't care who stands in his way of getting it.
If your argument is applied to real life, then you would be stating that Stalin, Hitler, Mao Zedong, and Pol Pot were neither good nor bad. Personal success justifies any means to attain it. Narcissism to the extreme.
Finally someone made a dedicated video on this
I always thought he was character masterfully crafted.
especially way joe made you think he's a trusthy, RELIABLE, ally
but as time goes on he doesn't outright tell you, especially in monologue or general writing that this guy's screwed up
bayazs action slowly slowly get darker as we come to realise that we... the readers...
were rooting for a real evil piece of human garbage
Reading the book again is a powerful experience because you can spot all the signs really early on but on your first read you never expect a character like him to be twisted in that way.
@@InsecureCreator my favourite moment that rrally convinces you what kind of man he was at the house of the maker in the the last book(spoiler below)
When yulweo and he encoumtered quais kidnapper
is he really that sneaky about it? I thought it was fairly obvious he was a bastard from the jump. What with, you know, every POV character saying he gives them the ick, and his constant slipping of the mask any time he gets upset
There are good subversions, and there are bad ones. This one is really good.
His savagery is nothing compared to Glokta……? Are you jamming that husk pipe 24/7?
I just recently finished Last argument of kings and this is well stated.
That perfect answer to the question; "what would happen if gandalf took the ring"... I love abercrombie
what if gandalf... was tricking the Hobits to get the ring from the start.
Fantastic series, I was broken by the time I finished it.
When i got to the end of the third book i really hated that mf of Bayaz... One of my favorite characters of All Time.
glokta does not feel any joy in torturing people though
Maybe it is just me but I didn't feel that the subversion was THAT tremendous because the more you read the more you suspected that things might not quite be what they seem. Or maybe it was due to me not having read too much fantasy until now.
It can be suspected very quickly but for me at least the other characters took my attention off him, he's also just a really fun character so people won't be as negative towards him in the beginning.
Tolkein did not “start” a genre that has existed since almost as long as we’ve told stories.
What I was trying to say is that what we now see as "fantasy" with it's tropes and aesthetic similarities is in large parts defined by the influence of Tolkien but what you are saying is also true
@@InsecureCreatorSure, though its more accurate to say Tolkein popularized them since they existed before him. Look at The Broken Sword by Anderson. That might be pedantic on my part though lol.
Never heard some one say “magi” like “mahggy” before lmao
My English was learned online and in books so my pronunciation is all over the place
@@InsecureCreatormay-jai
@@InsecureCreatorI meant no disrespect. I just find it interesting how different people can read entire books while saying completely different words in their heads compared to how I read it. The pronunciation doesn’t even really matter. I just find that kinda neat.
So was the Bloody nine a demon, I mean wtf
Some weird split personality stuff never completely explained
You have to realistic and can't carry too many knives
Honestly, 80% of conspiracy theorethics wouldn’t create such story as Joe's one about Bayaz...
The title of this video is a spoiler and kinda ruined the last book for me.
Damn that sucks I'm sorry, I don't know how I could make it any less vague while getting the point across. I avoided words like villain because it is pretty clear from book one something is a little off with him.