You're including a lot of retcon in this video. The original story in those games had major differences with the retelling in WC3 and WoW. For example, the orcs weren't fleeing a dying world, they just liked fighting and conquering.
Correct, they also were basically brain dead animals who could barely talk, even their chieftains were bumbling idiots only good at fighting and semi decent at leading troops.
A lot of missing details. The Horde was lead by Blackhand. Ogrim Doomhammer was his right-hand man. Doomhammer learned that Blackhand was being manipulated by Gul'dan so he wrestled control of the Horde via Mok'Gorah (did I spelt that correctly?), a duel to the death. After becoming Warchief he had Blackhand and Gul'dan's followers killed and kept Gul'dan alive to make use of his fel sorcery. Taking these events to account, the Horde campaign is actually you playing as Doomhammer and is the canonical ending for Warcraft I. When Gul'dan went searching for Sargeras' Tomb, Doomhammer sent a fleet after him. This led to the Horde thinning it's forces which allowed the Alliance to push them back.
So my main question is where was all of this lore? Was it told in the warcraft games or are they making up the story for Warcraft in world of Warcraft?
@@mesaplayer9636 Much of "fleshng out" is in the novels but major events like killing Blackhand and King Wrynn being assassinated by Garona happened in narration between chapters in the game.
Amazing broad summary to get the whole frame of events and all big moving parts! I love it! Thank you. In 5 minutes I now know the whole frame of Warcraft and all the big events and happenings. Amazing! So much better than 3 hour videos on tiny details that no one really cares about or forgets 2 minutes after learning the tiny detail. Ty.
Holy shit is this wrong... The Trolls joined the Horde when the Horde rescued Zul'jin (orc campaign mission 2) as same, the Elves joined the alliance when their scouts were rescued by The Alliance. Also...Alleria was the ranger general during the 2nd war...not Sylvanas. Simplifed the 1st war (and not because Dreanor was dying) they were seeking new worlds to conquer. The world dying was thanks to Ner'zhul who opened...many portals which tore the world apart. That is the War II Xpac.
Not happy with your skimming over events while still incorporating lore elements of WoW lore on a video about the lore of the original Warcraft games. I'll list some talking points below for my criticism. If you ever do a follow up to this video or a v2, I recommend looking these over. 1) Warcraft 1 Medievh made the dark portal because he was displeased with the King of Azeroth, King Lane. It's worth noting that, at the time, Azeroth was the name of the human nation, not the entire world. Secondly, the orcs were not fleeing a dying homeworld, as there was 0 information about the orc homeworld (Draenor) in Warcraft 1. Instead, the orc invasion during the First War was initially thought to be a full fledged invasion (events leading up to Warcraft 2 would disprove this), when it was - in fact - a preliminary force sent to scout ahead. That said, the Kingdom of Azeroth did win the conflict and drive the shattered remnants of the orcs into the Black Morass. However, it was very much a phyrric victory, with King Lane being killed, the major cities of Stormwind and Northshire Abbey being sacked alongside the smaller towns. The forces had held together under the leadership of Lord Lothar, one of King Lane's generals who even had been captured during the conflict at one point. On the orcish side, the leader, Blackhand, had been betrayed, usurped, and ultimately killed by one of his commanders, Ogrim Doomhammer. 2) Warcraft 2 In the end, the troops under Lord Lothar were never able to locate the Dark Portal, meaning that Azeroth would inevitably face a second invasion, one which they would not succeed against. Because of this, Lord Lothar gathered the survivors and led them into exile to Lordaeron, who settled them on the southern coast. King Terenas, king of Lordaeron, then began trying to organize a great alliance to oppose the incoming threat. Most kingdoms joined, but Gilneas instead went into total isolation and the weakest nation, Alterac, remained neutral (spoiler, they tried joining the horde and got sacked for it). When the orcs invaded Azeroth, it was entirely uncontested. Moving north, they made contact and allied with other races already fighting the Alliance forces (goblins, trolls, dragons, etc). The war started off as a massive success for the Horde, smashing through the dwarven realms, sacking the elven cities in Quel Thalas, and even laying siege to the capital of Lordaeron. However, as the last Alliance holdout faced annihilation, Gul'dan and Cho'gall (another chieftan) broke camp and left the siege to pursue their own agenda. This resulted in the siege failing and the Alliance rallying across the northern realms. Though Doomhammer brought the rogue chieftains to justice (taking all 3 of their heads) and destroyed their clans, the time and resources it took cost him the entire war, with the Horde getting steamrolled all the way back through the portal. This time the Dark Portal was located and the archwizard Khadgar destroyed it... 3) Warcraft 2 Expansion ...or so everyone thought. Turned out you can destroy the portal and the rift joining the worlds remains. The Alliance decided to take a breather and rebuild while trying to think up ideas on how to destroy the rift. Then an orc raiding party popped in from Draenor, attacked the refounded capital of Azeroth (now called New Stormwind), and made off with the Book of Medievh. The theft of such a powerful tome of sorcery was such a catastrophic threat that the Alliance formed the mentioned expedition to go in and find it. While in Draenor, they had to kill the tank of all dragons (Deathwing) and recover the Skull of Gul'dan, but - being surrounded and outnumbered by LOTS of angry and bloodthirsty orcs - the expedition was unable to prevent Draenor's warchief (Ner'zul) from opening several other portals, this time causing a cataclysm that threatened to destroy all the worlds now connected to Draenor, and leading his own invasions of all the different worlds. After getting the artifacts from a self-serving orc clan, the expedition made a hail mary attempt to seal the rift to Azeroth before the destruction of Draenor or the attacking orcs overran the expedition's last troops. They succeeded. While this may have been a bunch of text, I think it would have taken 5 min or less to integrate to your video. Again, take it for what it's worth as I also think it helps contrast with the later changes Blizzard made to its lore during the many years we've had of WoW.
Hello my friend. I wish you had also talked about Danath and Kurdran, the other heroes of the Alliance in the game Warcraft 2: Beyond the Dark Portal. I would love to hear some more details about them. Danath was really my favourite. A powerful footman who could defeat Ogres on his own, especially when he is fully upgraded.
I played both Warcraft: Orcs & Humans and Warcraft 2 a few weeks ago to better understand the lore, but apart from the book of Medivh, the skull of Guldan, the dark portal and endless battles between humans and orcs, which resulted in the fall of stormwind and in the destruction of the blackrock spire in Warcraft 1, and in the opening and destruction of the dark portal during Warcraft 2, there was nothing I could find out. Warcraft 3 has most of the lore, and it seems like an endless game compared to the predecessors. Just the first three campaigns already contain more lore than all the predecessors including their expansions combined.
@@Katziezi Story of original War1 and War2 depends on which side you pick. You pick Humans -> they win the wars. You pick Orcs -> they win. Both games are very old and truth is that War3 "has most of the lore", because in 2002 there was a possibility to make cutscenes like they did.
A lot of lore was retconed and fleshed out after Warcraft 2 and well into development of Warcraft 3. The backstory of Thrall, the Dragonflights, etc. were all novels published after the release of Warcraft 2.
¡Muchísimas gracias! Voy a empezar a jugar Warcraft 3 antes de entrar en WoW y quería saber la historia de los Warcraft 1 y 2. Este vídeo es estupendo y se agradecen los subtítulos. Un saludo y gracias de nuevo!
Pretty good summary but the Eastern Kingdom is called Azeroth, not Stormwind. Stormwind is the Castle/Keep which the capital city of Azeroth is named after. Blizzard was lazy and never really gave the planet a name so they kinda just started calling it Azeroth colloquially since that was where the story starts off in Warcraft 1, but the real name of the Eastern Kingdom is Azeroth, not Stormwind.
Eastern Kingdoms is a formation of three small continents that have smashed together into one huge continent. Azeroth is the Eastern Kingdoms' southernmost continent. The kingdom’s name seems to have retroactively changed however, since in WoW and more recent books it’s now called the Kingdom of Stormwind instead of Kingdom of Azeroth. I guess it was done so there weren't too many Azeroths, since it’s now mainly used as the name of the planet/titan soul inside it.
@@joonas4561 Anything beyond Warcraft 3 isn't cannon for me. The story started to fall off in Warcraft 3 and it literally fell off a cliff in WoW. So I don't bother with any of that nonsese.
@@SeanUCF I don't blame you. But this video is a in a nutshell version about the official lore. So, you can't really use your headcanon to correct them, no matter how bad Blizzard's writing is.
From the mage city of Dalaran, came Archmage Antonidas! Grand magus of the Kirin Tor, not Khadgar.... Khadgar was from Stormwind, he was Medivh's apprentice who got cursed by him to be an old man.
I liked it but I think some things were a little out of order. Like it would have made more sense to explain that the Burning Legion was behind the opening of the dark portal from the beginning and the reason the orcs went to kill the humans was because they were corrupted by Kil'jaeden. The order you shared it in made it seem like the orcs just felt like killing the humans for no reason
Explaining it at the end was a good segue into the next video though. And the Orcs DID just felt like killing the humans for no reason (because they were corrupted by Kil'jaeden)
Also, Kil'jaden isn't *directly* responsible for the orcs' corruption. Gul'dan persuaded them to drink Demon Kool Aid which is actually Manoroth's blood.
this was invented later. Orcs were cruel and savage by themselves in the first instailments, them they invented this demonic legion thing later because they needed more histpryto keep creating more content
I have a question: You said that the orcs made the dark portal to find a new place to live because there homelands was dying. But later you said that demons manipulated the orcs. I get that the demons where the one who told the orc how to build the dark portal but what about the orc homeland? Where the demons responsable for the poor state of the orc homeland or did they just append to find the orcs in their situation?
if you watch the movie you will know that the orc warlock made pact with a demon and gain ability to absorb lifeforce that guy do it uncontrollably and end up destroy the world too and so they need a new world so the demon send them there
@@MrrSetha The movie didn't exist back then so all of this information is just retcons and blizzard/metzen turning the horde/orcs into bunch of dindunuffins and they've been exactly that since wc3 and their we wuz shamans bullshit.
I though you would go into details about retconned war1 and war2 lore which were in the manuals and all the implication of wordings on the mission screen.
Haha! Great question! Blizzard didn't really think it through. The skull just 'showed up' on Azeroth in Warcraft 3 without any explanation. In 2008 they published a book called 'Beyond the Dark Portal', and they explained that as the portal was collapsing, Khadgar sent a gryphon rider through the dark portal with the skull, and just as the grpyhon rider went through the portal it collapsed behind him. So the skull ended up in Azeroth afterall.
@@hightreason3747 a better question is how did some Bonechewer Warlord get the skull of Guldan if Guldan was presumed ripped apart by demons in a secret temple on a island off the coast of kalimdor. Its cool they explained a gryphon flew through the portal with the McGuffin I just assumed the skull was on Draenor after the explosion so Dreadlord's like Tichondrius had it as a trophy of Legion defiance punishment.
No, this guy is just really confused about the lore. He also completely sidelined Lothar and Uther in favor of Turalyon, who didn't even show up until Beyond the Dark Portal.
You're including a lot of retcon in this video. The original story in those games had major differences with the retelling in WC3 and WoW.
For example, the orcs weren't fleeing a dying world, they just liked fighting and conquering.
Correct, they also were basically brain dead animals who could barely talk, even their chieftains were bumbling idiots only good at fighting and semi decent at leading troops.
A lot of missing details.
The Horde was lead by Blackhand. Ogrim Doomhammer was his right-hand man. Doomhammer learned that Blackhand was being manipulated by Gul'dan so he wrestled control of the Horde via Mok'Gorah (did I spelt that correctly?), a duel to the death. After becoming Warchief he had Blackhand and Gul'dan's followers killed and kept Gul'dan alive to make use of his fel sorcery.
Taking these events to account, the Horde campaign is actually you playing as Doomhammer and is the canonical ending for Warcraft I.
When Gul'dan went searching for Sargeras' Tomb, Doomhammer sent a fleet after him. This led to the Horde thinning it's forces which allowed the Alliance to push them back.
Thanks for the info! And It's Mak'gora*
So my main question is where was all of this lore? Was it told in the warcraft games or are they making up the story for Warcraft in world of Warcraft?
@@mesaplayer9636 Much of "fleshng out" is in the novels but major events like killing Blackhand and King Wrynn being assassinated by Garona happened in narration between chapters in the game.
Yeah, theres a "remake" mod (wc2 campaign in reforged) that provides additional small details on wc2 story
@@mesaplayer9636mostly from ingame narration in regards of doomhammer taking over and thr novels
Amazing broad summary to get the whole frame of events and all big moving parts! I love it! Thank you. In 5 minutes I now know the whole frame of Warcraft and all the big events and happenings. Amazing! So much better than 3 hour videos on tiny details that no one really cares about or forgets 2 minutes after learning the tiny detail. Ty.
Holy shit is this wrong...
The Trolls joined the Horde when the Horde rescued Zul'jin (orc campaign mission 2) as same, the Elves joined the alliance when their scouts were rescued by The Alliance.
Also...Alleria was the ranger general during the 2nd war...not Sylvanas.
Simplifed the 1st war (and not because Dreanor was dying) they were seeking new worlds to conquer. The world dying was thanks to Ner'zhul who opened...many portals which tore the world apart. That is the War II Xpac.
The Island Trolls joined the horde then, but Warcraft 2 had axe-throwing Forrest Trolls.
Not happy with your skimming over events while still incorporating lore elements of WoW lore on a video about the lore of the original Warcraft games. I'll list some talking points below for my criticism. If you ever do a follow up to this video or a v2, I recommend looking these over.
1) Warcraft 1
Medievh made the dark portal because he was displeased with the King of Azeroth, King Lane. It's worth noting that, at the time, Azeroth was the name of the human nation, not the entire world. Secondly, the orcs were not fleeing a dying homeworld, as there was 0 information about the orc homeworld (Draenor) in Warcraft 1. Instead, the orc invasion during the First War was initially thought to be a full fledged invasion (events leading up to Warcraft 2 would disprove this), when it was - in fact - a preliminary force sent to scout ahead. That said, the Kingdom of Azeroth did win the conflict and drive the shattered remnants of the orcs into the Black Morass. However, it was very much a phyrric victory, with King Lane being killed, the major cities of Stormwind and Northshire Abbey being sacked alongside the smaller towns. The forces had held together under the leadership of Lord Lothar, one of King Lane's generals who even had been captured during the conflict at one point. On the orcish side, the leader, Blackhand, had been betrayed, usurped, and ultimately killed by one of his commanders, Ogrim Doomhammer.
2) Warcraft 2
In the end, the troops under Lord Lothar were never able to locate the Dark Portal, meaning that Azeroth would inevitably face a second invasion, one which they would not succeed against. Because of this, Lord Lothar gathered the survivors and led them into exile to Lordaeron, who settled them on the southern coast. King Terenas, king of Lordaeron, then began trying to organize a great alliance to oppose the incoming threat. Most kingdoms joined, but Gilneas instead went into total isolation and the weakest nation, Alterac, remained neutral (spoiler, they tried joining the horde and got sacked for it). When the orcs invaded Azeroth, it was entirely uncontested. Moving north, they made contact and allied with other races already fighting the Alliance forces (goblins, trolls, dragons, etc). The war started off as a massive success for the Horde, smashing through the dwarven realms, sacking the elven cities in Quel Thalas, and even laying siege to the capital of Lordaeron. However, as the last Alliance holdout faced annihilation, Gul'dan and Cho'gall (another chieftan) broke camp and left the siege to pursue their own agenda. This resulted in the siege failing and the Alliance rallying across the northern realms. Though Doomhammer brought the rogue chieftains to justice (taking all 3 of their heads) and destroyed their clans, the time and resources it took cost him the entire war, with the Horde getting steamrolled all the way back through the portal. This time the Dark Portal was located and the archwizard Khadgar destroyed it...
3) Warcraft 2 Expansion
...or so everyone thought. Turned out you can destroy the portal and the rift joining the worlds remains. The Alliance decided to take a breather and rebuild while trying to think up ideas on how to destroy the rift. Then an orc raiding party popped in from Draenor, attacked the refounded capital of Azeroth (now called New Stormwind), and made off with the Book of Medievh. The theft of such a powerful tome of sorcery was such a catastrophic threat that the Alliance formed the mentioned expedition to go in and find it. While in Draenor, they had to kill the tank of all dragons (Deathwing) and recover the Skull of Gul'dan, but - being surrounded and outnumbered by LOTS of angry and bloodthirsty orcs - the expedition was unable to prevent Draenor's warchief (Ner'zul) from opening several other portals, this time causing a cataclysm that threatened to destroy all the worlds now connected to Draenor, and leading his own invasions of all the different worlds. After getting the artifacts from a self-serving orc clan, the expedition made a hail mary attempt to seal the rift to Azeroth before the destruction of Draenor or the attacking orcs overran the expedition's last troops. They succeeded.
While this may have been a bunch of text, I think it would have taken 5 min or less to integrate to your video. Again, take it for what it's worth as I also think it helps contrast with the later changes Blizzard made to its lore during the many years we've had of WoW.
The orcs were so freaking beastly, I love it.
Thank you for your comment, I think it's interesting to have both the original lore as intended and the redcons to make the link with WoW.
You should make a video. I would.
Warcraft 3 Reforged should've been a complete remaster of the original Warcraft trilogy with retcons and updates in place.
Oh dear no, I don't want any jailors in there
@@kedarunzi9139
What is a jailor?
@@SeanUCF the big bad evil guy in the wow expansion: shadowlands
Not sure about Retcons. But yes, it should have been remastered WC1 and 2 campaigns.
Yeah, WC2 and its expansion would've been awesome to get along with 3 when I bought reforged.
Hello my friend.
I wish you had also talked about Danath and Kurdran, the other heroes of the Alliance in the game Warcraft 2: Beyond the Dark Portal. I would love to hear some more details about them. Danath was really my favourite. A powerful footman who could defeat Ogres on his own, especially when he is fully upgraded.
Great video! I'm surprised this hasn't got more views.
This was really well done! This is gonna be my go to vid for people who wanna know the lore :D
I AGREE :D
Really enjoyed this, looking forward to the next part. Played WoW most of my life on and off, but I never played the original games so this is great!
Nobody in WC1 mentioned any portal, the Orcs just suddenly showed up one day.
look at the orc ending the orcish narrator states"the warlocks demand your permission to experiment on the portal"
Really really like the over simplification tbh. so new people can follow along much more easy and understand wow better
Thank you for explaining this to me, the lore is very complicated and I can't follow it easily.
Hey man really enjoy the vision you've got going on here. Keep up the good work. Entertaining content!
This was such a clear explanation of the lore thank you
great video, explanation and pacing. im excited for the next one
That video is legendary. Thank you so much !
Great videos, this is exactly what I was looking for. I hope you continue the story of Shadowlands
I played 1 and 2 and I don't remember any of this, except Azeroth and the Alliance.
Because it's not original War1 and War2 stories
I played both Warcraft: Orcs & Humans and Warcraft 2 a few weeks ago to better understand the lore, but apart from the book of Medivh, the skull of Guldan, the dark portal and endless battles between humans and orcs, which resulted in the fall of stormwind and in the destruction of the blackrock spire in Warcraft 1, and in the opening and destruction of the dark portal during Warcraft 2, there was nothing I could find out. Warcraft 3 has most of the lore, and it seems like an endless game compared to the predecessors. Just the first three campaigns already contain more lore than all the predecessors including their expansions combined.
@@Katziezi Story of original War1 and War2 depends on which side you pick. You pick Humans -> they win the wars. You pick Orcs -> they win. Both games are very old and truth is that War3 "has most of the lore", because in 2002 there was a possibility to make cutscenes like they did.
A lot of lore was retconed and fleshed out after Warcraft 2 and well into development of Warcraft 3.
The backstory of Thrall, the Dragonflights, etc. were all novels published after the release of Warcraft 2.
Warcraft:Orcs&Humans
Warcraft II:Tides of Darkness
Beyond the Dark Portal
Warcraft III:Reign of Chaos
Warcraft III:Frozen Throne
¡Muchísimas gracias! Voy a empezar a jugar Warcraft 3 antes de entrar en WoW y quería saber la historia de los Warcraft 1 y 2. Este vídeo es estupendo y se agradecen los subtítulos. Un saludo y gracias de nuevo!
Pretty good summary but the Eastern Kingdom is called Azeroth, not Stormwind. Stormwind is the Castle/Keep which the capital city of Azeroth is named after. Blizzard was lazy and never really gave the planet a name so they kinda just started calling it Azeroth colloquially since that was where the story starts off in Warcraft 1, but the real name of the Eastern Kingdom is Azeroth, not Stormwind.
Eastern Kingdoms is a formation of three small continents that have smashed together into one huge continent. Azeroth is the Eastern Kingdoms' southernmost continent. The kingdom’s name seems to have retroactively changed however, since in WoW and more recent books it’s now called the Kingdom of Stormwind instead of Kingdom of Azeroth. I guess it was done so there weren't too many Azeroths, since it’s now mainly used as the name of the planet/titan soul inside it.
@@joonas4561
Anything beyond Warcraft 3 isn't cannon for me. The story started to fall off in Warcraft 3 and it literally fell off a cliff in WoW. So I don't bother with any of that nonsese.
@@SeanUCF I don't blame you. But this video is a in a nutshell version about the official lore. So, you can't really use your headcanon to correct them, no matter how bad Blizzard's writing is.
@@joonas4561
That's fair.
@@SeanUCF Agree 100%
Yooo you did my boy Lothar dirty. No mention of him at all?! 😢
From the mage city of Dalaran, came Archmage Antonidas! Grand magus of the Kirin Tor, not Khadgar....
Khadgar was from Stormwind, he was Medivh's apprentice who got cursed by him to be an old man.
W8... I always thought Nher' zul was Guldan's master... Damn
DUDE WTF WHERE IS PART 2 YOU CANT LEAVE ME LIKE THAT BRUH
lol! Next week! I'm just finishing it up, hopefully have it up before next weekend. 😄 I'm glad you liked it!
How come you didnt even metion Lother but mentioned Turalyon is abusrd
Sweet video thanks
Back when the story still made a tiny bit of sense.
One of best games
I liked it but I think some things were a little out of order. Like it would have made more sense to explain that the Burning Legion was behind the opening of the dark portal from the beginning and the reason the orcs went to kill the humans was because they were corrupted by Kil'jaeden. The order you shared it in made it seem like the orcs just felt like killing the humans for no reason
Explaining it at the end was a good segue into the next video though.
And the Orcs DID just felt like killing the humans for no reason (because they were corrupted by Kil'jaeden)
The order used in this vid is perfect. I think the author may have autism he has thought it out so hard!
ahhh, thanks - I think...
Also, Kil'jaden isn't *directly* responsible for the orcs' corruption. Gul'dan persuaded them to drink Demon Kool Aid which is actually Manoroth's blood.
this was invented later. Orcs were cruel and savage by themselves in the first instailments, them they invented this demonic legion thing later because they needed more histpryto keep creating more content
I have a question: You said that the orcs made the dark portal to find a new place to live because there homelands was dying.
But later you said that demons manipulated the orcs. I get that the demons where the one who told the orc how to build the dark portal but what about the orc homeland? Where the demons responsable for the poor state of the orc homeland or did they just append to find the orcs in their situation?
if you watch the movie you will know that the orc warlock made pact with a demon and gain ability to absorb lifeforce that guy do it uncontrollably and end up destroy the world too and so they need a new world so the demon send them there
@@MrrSetha The movie didn't exist back then so all of this information is just retcons and blizzard/metzen turning the horde/orcs into bunch of dindunuffins and they've been exactly that since wc3 and their we wuz shamans bullshit.
part 3 when :(
Why they didnt add more races?
Just like demons and naga races?
Nah, should have kept all that WC3 and WoW lore out of the video.
I though you would go into details about retconned war1 and war2 lore which were in the manuals and all the implication of wordings on the mission screen.
Where i can play this game😍 i mean not new wow i playing Classic wow but
The clips in this video isnt be in wow i never seen before 😢😭
nerzhul was first lich king poggers
Cool
If the skull is used in outland 5:33 how the fuck does illidan find it back on azeroth in w3
Haha! Great question! Blizzard didn't really think it through. The skull just 'showed up' on Azeroth in Warcraft 3 without any explanation.
In 2008 they published a book called 'Beyond the Dark Portal', and they explained that as the portal was collapsing, Khadgar sent a gryphon rider through the dark portal with the skull, and just as the grpyhon rider went through the portal it collapsed behind him. So the skull ended up in Azeroth afterall.
@@hightreason3747 a better question is how did some Bonechewer Warlord get the skull of Guldan if Guldan was presumed ripped apart by demons in a secret temple on a island off the coast of kalimdor.
Its cool they explained a gryphon flew through the portal with the McGuffin I just assumed the skull was on Draenor after the explosion so Dreadlord's like Tichondrius had it as a trophy of Legion defiance punishment.
💯
war2 was the best game
Danith was the strongest hero
But wait, Gul'dan is alive in WC3 isn't he?
Нет. Иллидан добывает череп Гул'дана. Так что Гул'дан уже мёртв.
Flashback sequence only.
So good, F WoW
Ew, they Retconed Sylvanas into Warcraft 2 as an important figure?
Boooo!
No, this guy is just really confused about the lore. He also completely sidelined Lothar and Uther in favor of Turalyon, who didn't even show up until Beyond the Dark Portal.