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Most peoples complaint was about the RP battery. Sometimes canon don't listen. I'd miss the wheel as well so I'll skip this and maybe there might be an R9 out by the end of the year. But great review as always Gordon.
I don't think there is any "versus" here. I had an R6 II, I really liked it in almost every aspect, BUT: I need something smaller and lighter, otherwise laziness and convenience will eventually win and the camera will just collect dust. The R8 together with the 28/2.8 weighs about as much as the X-T5 without the lens, which is great. If someone takes photos for a living, their considerations and priorities will be completely different. Otherwise, nice video - as always :-)
Hi Gordon, I have an R5 and R10. I rented the R8 because I wanted a full frame for traveling light. It was really very good, great low light and lovely image quality. AF is the best I have experienced, I would like Ibis but discovered I can hand hold stabilised lenses ok down to around 1/25 no problem. Good for me! I am going to buy it
I think the R8 and RF 16mm is indeed a great combo for vlogging. Light and wide enough to enable enhanced digital stabilisation for a really steady result. And unlike the R6 or R6 II you won't experience IBIS wobles that happen with that lens as Canon only lets you enable or disable all IS at once...
I really hate that the only reason we are upgrading to a new camera is because they don't have the 4k crop. I feel they could fix that with an update and Atleast keep it at 25p.....
@@ElevenAce you mean from the RP? It's a very different sensor and processor, the one in the RP was very limited in what it could do by the hardware, not the firmware.
This is great. My RP that I've been using as an EDC has been feeling a little long in the tooth, this looks like a great update, and I can keep the same batteries and grip extender, and nearly identical ergos except for the power/lock toggle on the top.
Based on pre-release rumors, i wasn't expecting to have any interest in this R8, as I already have the original R6. But the much smaller body and weight, along with IS in the RF lenses I have and would use with it, make it a really intriguing option to switch to, for travel, general use, and with the focus composite, even macro work. When I need speed, I also need the reach of a crop sensor camera for birding, thus that's not so much of a downside for me. So, hmmm, call me intrigued.
I was thinking the same thing - a handy backup camera. The one feature that actually draws me a bit is the pre-record 30fps RAW burst mode. That's a big deal with birds/wildlife. Often times you try to catch them taking off, but by the time you press the shutter, you're too late. This would give 15 shots and a half-second before you pressed the shutter. That can make a world of difference.
I can’t miss the IBIS. I’d choose the Panasonic S5 mark 2 with its lovely L2 colours and live LUT, and I’m dreaming of a 45ish MP version of that one… for the price of a S5 mark 2 X version, that would be a dream! With a nice affordable yet good quality Sigma lens.
And Sigma lenses. Canon really misses out by not having Sigma. While Sony and Panasonic will continue to grow with them. That alone has me happy with the S5ii.
@@cameralabs But why? Canon has the LP-E6 well established. And my guess is - there will be not full featured BG for the R8 either. They should have re-used the R body and BG-E22.
If a battery grip comes out for this then I might be sold on it. The battery flap does look like it's removable for that purpose so I'm sure we might see one in the coming months.
I was really excited about the R8 as a replacement to my Eos R as a faster, second full frame body for wildlife. I could have lived with the reduction in mega pixels, the lack of ibis and the single card slot, but the LP-e17 battery is a deal breaker for me. It’s really too bad. A nice upgrade to the RP for shooters who are happy with that camera and looking to experience Canons new autofocus system and updated video options. But sadly, I think this one is going to be a pass for me. That aside, great review as always.
Trust me it was not easy plopping down $2,500 plus for r62, but at least I know that I have all the bases covered for the next few years. I consider any camera without ibis unless it's very cheap to be a non-starter.
@@tokyorose1123 I would have went for R5 if I had the budget. That said, it's almost a sure bet that the R5 Mark II will come out sometime this year. Patience is a virtue it might end up replacing your current one and put that one on backup duty
Yeah, the smaller battery is a shame, but they had to reduce the price, weight and differentiate from the R6 II. If you have a USB PD source though, you can keep it running, or carry a spare.
Canon the lenseless system, who may have guessed? Cheaper bodies but lenses costing three times as much. Canon needs to allow third party lenses to sustain its system. Especially the RF ASP-C line.
The third party lens debacle means I cannot recommend a Canon RF camera as a "budget" option.. or any option, at all, really. As a R6 shooter, I'm also appalled at Canon's obstinate refusal to release a firmware update to remove the 30 minute record limit, and personally have not been buying *any* Canon equipment, with an eye to potentially switching systems if Canon doesn't right this wrong.
For £1700 in UK with small battery, card on the bottom and expensive RF lenses, no thanks. Great review though as always Gordon! I am saving for Panasonic Lumix S5II X even Panasonic kit lens has better range 20-60mm.
Thanks Gordon. Nice review. Looking at this as an RP owner, it’s definitely an upgrade to the RP, not the R, even though Canon’s naming convention would suggest that it takes the place of the EOS R in the lineup. It’s a nice upgraded RP body. Same layout, batteries, looks like the same grip extender. I put a third party battery grip on my RP and I’ll be looking for someone to make one for the R8 since I’m sure Canon won’t. I’m excited to get an R8. It’s a great step forward from the RP at a good price point. But what will the R9 be? This is great, just not what I expected the R8 would be.
@@NoRegret08 Thanks, but the sensor? Isn't better? And the autofocus system much improved? It's easier to take with you that's a fact. But the sensor and autofocus I really don't know just asking.
@@hitfabryk Dynamic range is a little better on the R8. A little less noise on the R8. I have R7 as well and autofocus is better than the on the R. However , birds in flight - autofocus sucks on the R7. I returned the R10 for it's small battery and got the R7 and the battery life on the R8 is even worse than on R10. I read an article that the colors on the R magical. Viewfinder on the R also has higher resolution than on R8. If you also do the video, then get the R8 over the R. Just get a few batteries (extra cost) and you can only use these batteries on very few low end Canon cameras
I'm really conflicted between this and the Panasonic Lumix S5 II as my first camera. I was hoping to get gernally into photography, landscapes and street photography mainly, but also wanted the camera to serve video purposes for events or even streaming/video production. The lack of an IBIS seems a bit harsh, but a gimble could easily fix that
I love Canon but the S5 ii is a much better buy if you’re comparing the R8. That’s a lot of camera for your first buy though. I’d go with something you can grow in and really get comfortable with the system. Invest in glass, not bodies. You probably won’t use/need half the features on the S5 ii if you’re just starting out.
I was thinking to buy the RP before the R8 was released, but after watching I've changed my mind hence the newer parts and the price to performance on the R8 compared to the RP
@@cameralabs for us Canadians it seems like $1000 difference for better video, between the RP and R8. for myself I'm happy with my R7 for critters, and a used RP I got for FF richness, bokeh and wide angle.
I'm in an R8/R6 Mk II dilemma. I have a Canon R7, which I liked, but it developed a focus problem, and after three trips to the Canon shop (two of them to fix something the shop broke on the previous trip) I still don't think it's working well. I'm also going on at least a 3-month road trip to New Mexico where getting new camera gear might involve hours of driving. So I'm thinking of getting an R8 or R6 II as a backup. My budget says the R8 is the best choice. My shaky old hands say I need the R6's IBIS. My budget tells my shaky old hands to take a vitamin and exercise. My shaky old hands threaten to quit buying things. There are also little angels on my shoulders telling to to either get another R7 or YOLO it and splurge on an R5. Somewhere near my spleen is a voice telling me to buy a Sony and register it on the Canon site, just to rub it in. I've said it before. Photography is easy; it's the shopping that's hard.
I like the R6 II, but it's quite a price hike over the R8 for IBIS, the dual slots etc. Remember you could always get the R8 with lenses that have OIS?
Enjoy all your videos. Keep up the good work. At my age of 82 and trying to get back in to a bit of serious for me photography I am developing more of an interest in jpg’s. You mentioned your book the other day and I bought it. I am looking forward to diving into both your book and some jpeg outputs. Ahhhh….I did have to breakout my “Coke bottle “ glasses though. Your headings are easy to read but lighter,smaller and thinner print in the body of your stories not so much. Well all the good info is still there and all that you say has great interest to me. I enjoy it when you and Duane get together as well. Thanks for all you do. Joe
Thanks for buying my book! I didn't design the layout inside though, and I agree some of the text is a bit small! I hope you can still read it ok though and find some useful or interesting information - I'm a 99% JPEG shooter.
Thank you Gordon! Canon marketing dept sucks big time - they removed not only the joystick but also the wheel at the back for exp.comp, nerfed battery which was already bad on the R5/6, and... where is the full mech shutter? Another stil-born product from Canon like the R10. IBIS doesn't make a difference with IS lenses, but for vloggers it will suck. No particular target market, no particular idea why is his camera released except to have a cheaper FF camera. Not good for action (6fps), not good for landscape (no mechanical shutter), not good for vlogging (no IBIS), not good for video (crap battery), so what is it good for? Average joe who will use his phone camera instead. Stillborn. Jack of all trades master of none. R and RP users moved to R6. 6D Mark II did the same. Crop sensor DLSR users moved to R7, so who will buy R8? The odd walk-in who walks into a big store to buy 'a camera' having no idea what he is buying but having a budget of $1500 and the salesman pushes him into R8. But may as well push him into Sony or Nikon, Fuji, Panasonic or OM, depending which brand name sounds better to the client. Probably Sony. I think Panasonic and Fuji are celebrating the release of R8 and R10 like never before. OM will join in soon enough.
I'm still using my 10 year old T5i Rebel (700D), it's in excellent condition and has served me well, but I might need to upgrade. I'm eyeing the R8 as my replacement.
The Canon R8 is a replacement of 2009 canon RP. The price of canon RP will certainly drop lower than 900€ and it will be a bargain. The Canon R8 has a single card slot a maximum 1/4000th mecabincal shutter and only 1st curtain mechanical shutter. These are similar to the Sony a7C but the entry 2020 full frame Nikon Z5 at a similar or even lower price offers 1/8000th mechanical shutter double card slots, IBIS and much more. At the end of the day what counts is the quality of photos and Canon R8 is probably really good at that. With an entry price at around 1500€ The Canon R8 isn't cheap and with a lack of IBIS which is very important since the stabilization inside the lenses isn't common as before. Last the firmware of Canon mirrorless cameras doesn't allows the use of third party autofocus lenses contrary to Sony and Nikon mirrorless cameras. That is very very important since autofocus lenses by Sigma and Tamron are usually cheaper and with better optical performance.
Put the adapter on it and ALL your EF Sigma and Tamron IS lenses will work just fine. Mount the control-ring-adaptor and look at it like an EF lens platform. All my EF quality llenses petform simply better on the R8 given its AF and full frame sensor.
2:49 the RP does not have a pop up flash. The camera really is overpriced for what it is: the price of the original RP at launch would have been fine "if" the EF adapter was included, but at 1600$/£/€ I'd rather get an S5II, a Z5 or a 7c, even paying a bit more: I'd get the money back while buying lenses later. Not that the R6II sensor could be seen as a great one too, compared to the others, so the price hike is not justifiable. At least the RP colours are more attractive, and no Ibis defies most of the advantages in video and low light anyway
Given the body is like an RP and the battery is the same as RP, pretty sure the R8 is an RP replacement. Regardless, thanks for the review. Definitely one great camera here!
@@cameralabs Keep up the good work, been a follower of Cameralabs even pre-UA-cam days. I've already contacted Canon as well, preparing to purchase an EOS R8!
@@mbr5742 yeah, there won't be. The world changed a lot, RP was launched at $999. R8 is now $1499 which I believe there's 2 reasons for it. 1. it's the latest gen Entry Level FF 2. EOS RP continues to be on the market. While R8 looks to be the RP replacement based on the physical nature of it, price and specs looks like it's kicking EOS R off the shelves.
Budget and experience (or lack thereof) made me order the R8. If I was a really good photographer, I'd probably want the extra features of the R6 Mark II, but I'm still learning, so the R8 makes sense experience-wise. Budget-wise, the $1000 I saved on the body will go a long way toward getting better lenses. Well, one better lens at least. :)
Hi Gordon great review as always! Quick question, would the 30p Fine on the R7 be higher quality than the 30p on the R8? Probably you didn't get a chance to test this, just wondering as you've seen footage from both. Thanks!
@@cameralabs Thanks Gordon, I guess the R8 being a full frame vs the APSC makes the small difference probably. I am contemplating between the two. Perhaps if you get the chance it would be a good test in the future, as they're the same price! ☺️
I guess omitting IBIS and the second card slot (not as big of a deal) in a FF body these days is a bit of a letdown, especially since Nikon was able to include these features and come in at $100 less. I think it's great that Canon has a lot of options, but to be honest, one might be a bit more inclined to get an R7 over the R8 since the R7 does have a bit more of the R5 guts (including IBIS) but is only an APS-C sensor. Something some people may not be as concerned about, and may compromise over versus a larger sensor but no IBIS. I sort of get the feeling of an R/RP do-over with the R8 to be honest. Canon could have at least given this camera IBIS for that price, which I think is the major pitfall here. With this I would say that the gen 1 R6 might still be a better value here, despite being a bit older. As would be the Nikon Z5 as well, despite its heavy 4k crop. It does seem that Nikon has made a camera that seems to be the one to beat in terms of entry level FF, and I think Canon made a good attempt, but fell a little short if we use the Z5 as a benchmark for an entry-level budget camera (of course Sony doesn't really have anything cheaper than $2000 for their current lower-end FF bodies, if you only look at currently avaialble models, like the A7 III, despite being previous gen).
This is a review every objective person needs. Great review. No bias, no fanboy thing like the Fro. Giving the pros and cons just to a typical user who will need this camera for their use, or else others telling this is ultimate sports camera for somebody who shoots even professional. I really envy R8 video features as a Z5 owner, how much I wish I could at least have no crop 4k. In video R8 is obviously better than even Z6ii, but consider having a gimbal, and spare batteries. Would I get R8 if I was serious about video, probably yes, but R6 is also great option to consider, even being older. But in stills area, Z5 beats R8 especially after latest firmware and is 500$ less. IBIS , dual card slots, great EVF, battery life, 1/8000 mechanical shutter, ergonomics, 3rd party lenses, and I will argue in AF things, for portraits , events , weddings , street, landscape its AF is enough. For action and wildlife, yes it's slacking. But for majority of stills shooters , Z5 is a better camera than R8.
Thanks, and I'm glad you like my approach to making reviews. I wish there was a bigger demand for this style, as the more sensationalist videos always get more views and greater revenue as a result.
BRAVO CANON! Cant wait to see what camera will be next. What features are we gonna lose next. 0 card slots? Reverse ibis that adds camera shake? No physical dials what so ever? I am so exited!!! Also cant wait to pair it with 6.3 and 7.1 dark zooms. May be we can expect f9.6 28-45? Future is here, never thought that we will expirience such a leaps in modern technology. Bravo!
LOL ngl you had me in the first half. Canon, the only ones releasing a 24-50 variable aperture lens and have a kit 24-105 4-7.1 for a $2500 body. Like a big middle finger to their clients. Don't need all the features? Downgrade to an r7 with a whopping 2 rf-s lenses neither of which are weather sealed for your sports/action camera. At least with the 24-105 it's okay it's not weather sealed because you're not using the long end on a cloudy day anyways. Canon is king..of upsales. Spend $500 more or less. $500 more and get a Lumix s5ii. $500 less for a used xt4 or a6600 for your family vacation camera. This camera is so sleazy - tiny and portable but pathetic battery life, 4k 60 but you better be on a tripod or gimble. Great AF with no joystick. It's like designed to con people who only read specs, so they buy it and instantly start thinking about upgrading.
@@andreasbuder4417 xt5, s5ii, the xt4.. the thing of this camera isn't its specs, it's what the specs don't portray. Time limits, very low battery life, no joystick for the AF, etc. You get 4k 60 uncropped but unless you're on a tripod or gimbal, you're going to be cropping in anyways to correct for camera shake. You get 2 hours or 4k 24 but your battery runs out after 1hr. You get 40fps e shutter but only 6 mechanical. It's a camera that looks good on paper but jams you up at every turn.
As always. The best reviewer of cameras in UA-cam. Been following you for almost a decade now. Thanks gordon As for the camera, so cute, so capable, so affor9
I wish more youtubers would stop praising this camera because they do not wish to upset canon. The rolling shutter is a big deal and I do not believe the electronic first curtain mode will eliminate rolling shutter completely 6 FPS is useless for fast action. In the world of fast action or building photography rolling shutter is a big deal. No mechanical shutter is some thing we need and canon has removed it.
I never understood the obsession with IBIS. It wasn't in cameras not even five years ago, and we took amazing pics just the same. It has never been a problem for me. As for small batteries, no big deal-just grab a bunch! Filming one hour of 4 K 25fps is absolutely great. One SD slot... no big deal; we never needed two! I think R8 is a fricking awesome deal.
I have an rp that I quite enjoy. Been debating upgrading to perhaps the r5 or r6ii, finances pending. though the r8 may fit my budget better and skill set. I’m also torn between waiting to see if a r5ii comes out in a few months. Me and my wallet are torn.
I can deal with the one-card slot, puny battery and lack of ibis. What's the deal breaker for me: the card slot on the BOTTOM. I'm on a tripod a lot and change cards quite a bit. WHAT A PAIN. I ended up picking up a mint condition EOS R and it's perfect for my use. Two positives I appreciate about the R8 is you can use it as a webcam without downloading the canon webcam utility & no time limit for video recording.
Canon R8 in full frame, Canon R10 or Canon R50 in APS-C has the full potential to be a number 1 seller in their own category but will never reach that destination due to the stubborn behaviour of Canon. At least four or five lenses could improve the situation - like SIGMA 16mm & 30mm F1.4 in RF-S, Sigma 24-70mm F2.8 IS in RF, Sigma 150-600mm, RFS-22m F2, a better kit lens for R50 (like EF-M 15-45 F3.5-6.3). I am a user of R10 and I like it. I would love it if Canon gave C-log 3 in it and brought an overall zoom like EFS 17-55mm F2.8.
Hi Gordon, thanks for your reviews, they're really helpful. I have a Canon 6D and I'm thinking of upgrading. At first, I was considering the 90D but then I saw your review with the definition comparison charts, which led me to two other options: the Canon R8 and the Fujifilm X-S20, which are similarly priced. (Except I'd have to buy new lenses unlike with the Canon 90D.) I understand that the main video difference is between 4K and 6K, and honestly, that doesn't appeal to me that much (although it's nice to have as a future option) since I make videos for social media, institutions, or tutorials, so I'm more interested in good definition and autofocus. What do you think? Thanks a lot for everything.
Thanks Gordon, I look out for yo when. Pop along the coast! With the R8s ability to provide a crop of 1.6x this would have the effect of increasing the EF100-400 to max at 640mm I think, but what is the resolution like? It would be a great all-round camera and decent for birds in flight if the crop image resolution is still good, no? I have a 6d, and I’m in the early stages of looking to upgrade - the R6 mk2 would,be my desire, but I have pennies to sane for a year or 2 first - this might swing me towards the R8 if the detail and sharpness were good enough. Thanks for the reviews - I’ve subbed! 🙏😀
If you intend to crop for photo, you will lose a lot of resolution, so it's best to by a crop camera instead. the R7 and 100-400 are a great combo for wildlife. Cropping for video is ok through as there's still enough res for 4k.
Canon has seriously lost their direction. I'm still a Canon user but I have already, at the same time, moved to the Fujifilm system. I travel light now but I have access to some really awesome lenses. Look at all the "weird" lenses Canon has been producing for their APS-C sensor cameras, dating back to the M-series. The maximum aperture ends at f/6.3 maximum zoom. I have always been against their APS-C sensor cameras since the days of the 60D or 70D. There aren't any more great APS-C lenses since the EF-S 10-22mm and 17-55mm f/2.8. Lo and behold, they have now produced a ridiculous 24-50mm with a really smallish aperture range of f4.5-6.3. Seriously, Canon? Who are you targeting this lens at? The focal length range is limited, and the aperture is (again!!!) restrictive. We are talking about a full-frame R8 here! This is not some APS-C camera. I suppose Canon is trying valiantly to compete with Fujifilm and Olympus by slashing off their lenses' focal lengths and aperture range. But the attempt has failed very badly. Sony has an excellent 20-70mm f/4 lens. What has Canon produced? Just some dumbed down rehash general kit lenses. You're not gonna attract new photographers if you keep doing that, Canon. Many more will cross over to Fujifilm or Sony.
Because its meant to be a small and light travel camera, a light travel lens just provides options, plenty of heavy RF glass or even cheaper primes if you want fast aperture and lightweight
I don’t think Canon specifically aimed the lens for travel. It feels like another of their desperate attempt to compete with the rising popularity of competitors like Fujifilm and Olympus. Then hopefully, those new to photography might think erroneously that wow, Canon also has small lenses. But they don’t realise the disadvantages they have to bear. I don’t see how a lens that starts with a small aperture of f4.5 and a reach of only 50mm could be useful for travel. I wouldn’t want to be caught shooting at only 50mm but my max aperture is already at f6.3! 😅🫣 Precisely this is why many have switched to Fujifilm. For travel, I’m definitely using my Fujifilm, not an R8 with this weird 24-50. Canon really needs to rethink their marketing strategy. Leave the full frame market for serious enthusiasts and pros. They don’t mind carrying bigger and heavier lenses. Stop propagating the f/6.3 design and marketing strategy! At the same time, concentrate a lot more on the smaller sensor cameras and design much better APS-C lenses. The current batch of new lenses that Canon has is dismally limited and just not attractive.
@@kwangc6720 well they seemed desperate to keep the size and weight low and that can only mean they consider that a USP. A lightweight and small FF combined with a lightweight and small prime lens has a perfectly valid usecase. APS-C lenses are probably a separate discussion but the RF lens mount was designed around making FF lenses more compact and simpler. Maybe they want to concentrate on fleshing that out first.
Great and fair review. The lack of a joystick and ibis in 2023 is a deal breaker (cripple hammer.) If you're going to have one card, make it a CFE-B! Why aren't consumer cameras offering dual micro-SD-II slots?! I've built several RF kits in carts over the past two years, and the sticker shock is real. I'm done with adapting too. It ruins the main reason I went mirrorless; weight and portability. I went with an A7C because I can mount great, compact, affordable Tamron f2.8 zoom lenses to it. If Sony ever makes their bricks more comfortable to hold, everyone else will be in real trouble. The best value is a used Z6 from MPB for $950 paired with the 24-70F4S for under $400 as well. If you're into birding or shoot sports you still have to PAY to play, deal with lower hit rates, or stick with the DSLR route.
The R8 is unquestionably a very solid upgrade to the RP (40 vs 4 fps, uncropped vs cropped 4K, a much more advanced AF system and ultimately a much better, modern sensor), but I find it to be too expensive in Europe. In Germany it costs €1800, which is nowhere near the RP price.
As a fellow German I have to disagree this time. 1499$ is without taxes, and it would be 1783$ with 19% VAT (Mehrwertsteuer). The exchange rate always varies between $ and €, so 1800€ is actually quite fair.
@@andreasbuder4417 Dear Andreas, I am not comparing our price to the one in the US, as I am aware of the VAT not being included in that price. I am solely referring to the price here. One can argue that, for the feature set, including the new R6 II sensor, this is a fair price. I just think for a camera that Canon seems to be placing as its budget full frame model, €1800 is not insignificant.
@@suburbia2050 I am aware that inflation has to be taken into account and I don‘t think the price is illogical. I am just having a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that €1800 is the price of a „budget“ camera.
@@philfyphil Oh, I need the autofocusing. I have an R5 and an R6 for that. That's why I said casual. I think it's weird that they put a joystick on the R10, which is about $600 cheaper, but not on the R8.
Nice upgrade of the RP, which is what I use, in my case I like the battery, since it is light for travel and for video I also use "dummy", what I don't like is the card below and the starting price something high...thank you!
I reckon if I didn't already have the RP I'd get this one instead, but there isn't really enough appealling upgrades for me to replace it. I'll stick with the RP, it's still a really neat little camera. Thanks for a great review!
@@Ralferator This. 4K files are unnecessarily big, and I can't think of any situation where I'd ever need 1/16000 shutter speed tbh. Both overkills for me. Upgrades that would make it worth switching would be in-camera colour correction calibration, proper multiple exposure options, in-camera panoramas, different formats for video beyond 16:9... This kind of things. But doesn't look like the R8 has any of these, and they're more things that could be added with firmware updates if Canon was so inclined. So off I am into the sunset with my RP haha.
@@lsamoa I agree. I am fine with 1080 for video and don't need the fast shutter speed. Since we have cats, the animal Autofocus would be nice for us, but i will be happy with the RP for some years
I have found after shooting lots of video that the CLOG3 is much worse than using HDRPQ. You really notice it in the blacks. CLOG3 is way too noisy. I really don't know why people use it. The cinema gamut is also overkill for such a noisy image. I'd sooner have reduced colour depth and clean shadows. Resolve is very good at producing nice colours from even 8 bit footage anyway.
Great work is always Gordon. At first this camera on paper made no sense. It makes much more sense now, it's essentially both a replacement for the R and RP and then those triple duty as a step up and image quality from crop or rebel. Ibis was important enough for me to hold out for the r62. The r62 is much more of a replacement for a 5D. This is definitely not this camera can definitely be very situational and it's usage limits but I'm sure it is a lot of ways that this can be used very effectively. The lens that's on it it's going to be super critical especially for IS. Thanks again now going to check out your other review. Cheers.
I didn't know there was an EFM to RF adapter available. Plus the Sigma is only designed for smaller APSC sensors, so you'd be in a crop mode on the R8.
Another solid review, thank you Gordon. It seems like a very lightweight camera, probably good for use on a small gimbal. That said I remember using the RP when it first came out and the shock when I found myself in London with only one dying battery!
Hard pass for me. Slow frames per second shooting speed, single card slot and worst on the list... the LP E-17 battery that was a terrible choice in 2015 when the M3 came out and is an even terrible-r idea in 2023 after all of these advances in tech. Canon is playing games with it's customers, beginner camera or not. Thanks for the always great review Gordon.
The camera is aimed at amateuers with big wallets. The group that in DSLR days bought 70/80/90 in APS-C or 6D/6D2 in FF. Those never had nor missed the 2nd Slot. Professionals will not buy these but rather the R6-II (or 5D series in DSLR days)
Does the sensor stay exposed even when the power is off? One of my favourite things about the original EOS R is that it shuts the sensor when turned off.
I upgraded from RP to R6. I really liked the RP because of its size and design. But I feel a bit silly when I now considering to sell my R6(mark 1) to buy the R8:). I don`t care about sport/action but it`s handy to have IBIS when I`m using my RF 50 1.8.
@@vinvanid Is that all? I only ask because I'm looking to buy one or the other and I don't do any video recording and the r6 af is also plenty good enough for me. Thanks
Best camera review on UA-cam ever, you're the real deal, I was considering the EOS R7 before your review, you didn't mention about it's live streaming capability, is the battery in the R8 not as good as the R? I was considering that yesterday now I'm leaning towards the R8
You'd have to look up the 77D as it's been ages since I used it. You're best comparing the specs on Canon's web pages for both models - the R8 will have better video quality, AF and more features.
As a beginner/enthousiast who moved from DSLR (EOS T3i) to Mirrorless (EOS R10) last year, I was disappointed to see Canon release a full frame sensor camera in the same price range. I thought I just missed out! But after viewing this video, I see that I'm better off with the specs and features of my R10, even with a cropped sensor. Thank you for the videos, Gordon! Always well done and appreciated!
APS-C and full frame caters to 2 different photographers though. the former being much better for telephoto usage.. totally depends on what stuff you prefer to shoot here. =)
I thought about the original EOS R and the RP. The RP would have cost me more, I already had a stack of LP-E6 batteries of various brands, and I would probably have bought four extras for the RP. Eventually I decided not to, and I use mostly M43 gear, and an S1R with my TS-E lenses. That 90mm macro lens looks good, but it's not the MP-E 65 killer I anticipated. Teleconverters required for the higher magnifications? It's even more expens, unless you have the teleconverters, and more faffing around. AF and focus bracketting though.
Thank you so much Gordon for the detailed and informative review. As I know R8 doesn't have mechanical shutter system? is that right? thanks and God bless you!
Both are great choices, but obviously the Sony has ibis and a smaller sensor. Base it on the lenses you want and can afford. Plan ahead. There's more third party options for Sony than Canon at the moment if price is an issue
I wanted to buy this R8 but Im really curious with the effect of its first curtain / electronic shutter in strobe photography. No one demonstrate this in youtube. Does it matter if I use F1.4/1.8 + 1/8000 shutterspeed using strobe?
You’d be better off buying a good condition used R6 IMO or wait a few months til the price of the mkii drops. You get far more camera for your money rather than this. Thing.
not necessarily, the R8 has uncropped oversampled 4k video up to 2hrs per clip without overheating and better subject detection. pros and cons to both.
I currently have the EOS RP and was thinking of getting the R8. I am in no way a professional I am an average joe taking photos at Disneyland and so on. Would it be an upgrade in your opinion? And Would you upgrade from the RP? TIA
dpreview noticed significant loss in image quality in the m6 mark ii when using digital IS and even worse losses in image quality in enhanced IS. Does the R8 see any losses in image quality when digital IS or enhanced digital IS is enabled?
@@cameralabs ok cheers. I ditched canon years ago when they lost the game to Sony due to crap video features for a few years .... Now canon is back I might buy again as still have a bunch of L lenses
I have been shooting with canon since they only had MF. So a lot of these limitations I can live with. But now I'm looking at switching to a full frame the lenses make it a no go for me. As an amateur I have always relied on Tamron, Sigma and even a Tokina. I can't afford to buy a camera that has only these expensive lenses. 😕
@@johnG-x8l Agree, it would be great if Tamron and Sigma allowed to make RF lenses.. I would like to see 24-70 F2.8/F4 with VC/OS with 1/3-1/4 the price of RF 24-70 😍
I looked at sample photos of the R8 at DP review and they were gorgeous. And then I looked at the samples of the Pana S1 and I was shocked how bad they were.
@@cameralabs 5 days ago I took out lumix LX100 and Canon 350D and shot the same scenes with the two cameras and 350D was the best by far. It was so frustrating for me why I never use the LX100 and now I finally admitted to myself why. It is a cute camera , but........ For video its good.
Gordon, honestly, you're one of the most knowledgeable reviewers on YT, so I'm a little surprised that you said ''bigger pixels on R8 makes it better in low light'' when it is well known that it's just an urban legend but actually the whole size of the sensor accounts for light capture not an individual pixel
On a per pixel level, a bigger pixel has the potential for greater light gathering plus higher dynamic range, BUT while higher res sensors with smaller pixels may be noisier per pixel, there's more of them, so the noise artefacts are smaller and often less obtrusive. Lots of factors to weigh up
Not sure if this has been asked yet :) What is the dust & moisture protection on the R8? And why are images in video not affected by rolling shutter? Thanks, great video Gordon!
@@cameralabs hi, both video and electronic shutter for stills both operate in the same way via electronic shutter, So just wondering why electronic shutter for still shots is subject to the rolling shutter distortion while the video images appear to not be distorting? Kind of reminds me of smearing images on lcd tvs some years back? Is it the resolution or frame rate that the digic processing can’t quite handle? Or longer shutter speeds? Thanks 🙏 Just curious why the “rolling shutter” effect happens?
@@ScottoGrotto the rolling shutter effect is due to the readout speed of the sensor, line by line, so by the time it gets to the bottom, the subject or composition may have moved. It affects video and electronic stills but due to the way the video is scaled or oversampled from the full sensor, the effect may be less than for stills.
@@dpestlin1 Ah you mean out of camera. Well yeah, just look for a comparison between the R5 and R6 II. I would not hesitate at all mixing footage, the color science is extremely consistent.
I have an R8 and the thing thats not talked about it the battery indicator it shows full and half full only All you get is a red letter warning in the viewfinder that says battery dead. So you carry extra batteries at $70 a pop. buy a usb charger 3d party grip eic. you add lens and the camera is no longer small. Not a happy R8 owner.
That's an important observation, I'll try to mention it in future reviews, although the battery indicator may be visible in some of my screen recordings. I also generally recharge over USB as I always have a cable spare for my phone.
Awwesome review as usual! Thank you Gordon. 👍 Currently owning an RP, unfortunately, I'm still stumped on if I should spend the extra for the R6 mk ii haha. Aaah decisions decisions.
Well, the R8 basically takes your RP and puts the R6 II sensor inside, BUT you have the same body features as before. if you wat a body upgrade with IBIS, dual cards, bigger battery, better EVF etc, then you need the R6 II.
Excellent review! I've been looking at the Sony a7c for my daughter so she can Vlog her construction business. Now this Canon R8 comes out, so I'm glad I didn't get the Sony...yet. I have shot Canon for 45 years but know absolutely nothing about video, and my daughter knows nothing about cameras. I have the R and all RF L glass. I'm looking for other people's opinions here...Will the R8 be better than the Sony a7c for vlogging? I appreciate any input that you or your readers can offer. Thanks!
I would like to buy this camera but I have a silly question. How much the absence of IBIS impact the photo quality? As I see in this and other reviews that compare the R8 with the R6 MII apparently there are no big differences shooting photos with the two cameras. As the IBIS is considered a lack on this camera which is the issues or differences I can encounter choosing this camera over the R8 (still talking about taking photos) ? I need to solve this doubt 🙂
Well, we all survived without IBIS for decades before it was invented! It's useful for sure, but either pair the R8 with a lens that has IS (optical stabilisation in the lens) or be careful to use shutter speeds that are fast enough to avoid camera shake.
I have an 80D and I have been waiting for a camera like this. But I will probably buy Sony because they allow 3rd party lens makers to use their mount.
@@cameralabs I ask because the R7 gets its auto focus system from the R3. While the R8 gets its auto focus system from the R6 Mark2. So was wondering if there is a significant difference in the Subject Detection Auto Focus performance between the R7 & R8. And yes... Thank You Sir for your response!
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Most peoples complaint was about the RP battery. Sometimes canon don't listen. I'd miss the wheel as well so I'll skip this and maybe there might be an R9 out by the end of the year. But great review as always Gordon.
I don't think there is any "versus" here. I had an R6 II, I really liked it in almost every aspect, BUT: I need something smaller and lighter, otherwise laziness and convenience will eventually win and the camera will just collect dust. The R8 together with the 28/2.8 weighs about as much as the X-T5 without the lens, which is great.
If someone takes photos for a living, their considerations and priorities will be completely different.
Otherwise, nice video - as always :-)
Hi Gordon, I have an R5 and R10. I rented the R8 because I wanted a full frame for traveling light. It was really very good, great low light and lovely image quality. AF is the best I have experienced, I would like Ibis but discovered I can hand hold stabilised lenses ok down to around 1/25 no problem. Good for me! I am going to buy it
I think the R8 and RF 16mm is indeed a great combo for vlogging. Light and wide enough to enable enhanced digital stabilisation for a really steady result. And unlike the R6 or R6 II you won't experience IBIS wobles that happen with that lens as Canon only lets you enable or disable all IS at once...
Good point, I agree that digital IS can work better for vlogging than IBIS + digital.
Amazingly in depth. Big upgrade fro the RP with the no crop 4k. I think think they will sell a lot of these cameras!
Thanks, and yes, I think it will sell well.
I really hate that the only reason we are upgrading to a new camera is because they don't have the 4k crop. I feel they could fix that with an update and Atleast keep it at 25p.....
@@ElevenAce you mean from the RP? It's a very different sensor and processor, the one in the RP was very limited in what it could do by the hardware, not the firmware.
This is great. My RP that I've been using as an EDC has been feeling a little long in the tooth, this looks like a great update, and I can keep the same batteries and grip extender, and nearly identical ergos except for the power/lock toggle on the top.
Thanks Gordon for another clear, concise and entertaining review. Always my first port of call for a new camera release.
Thanks!
Based on pre-release rumors, i wasn't expecting to have any interest in this R8, as I already have the original R6. But the much smaller body and weight, along with IS in the RF lenses I have and would use with it, make it a really intriguing option to switch to, for travel, general use, and with the focus composite, even macro work. When I need speed, I also need the reach of a crop sensor camera for birding, thus that's not so much of a downside for me. So, hmmm, call me intrigued.
I was thinking the same thing - a handy backup camera. The one feature that actually draws me a bit is the pre-record 30fps RAW burst mode. That's a big deal with birds/wildlife. Often times you try to catch them taking off, but by the time you press the shutter, you're too late. This would give 15 shots and a half-second before you pressed the shutter. That can make a world of difference.
I can’t miss the IBIS. I’d choose the Panasonic S5 mark 2 with its lovely L2 colours and live LUT, and I’m dreaming of a 45ish MP version of that one… for the price of a S5 mark 2 X version, that would be a dream! With a nice affordable yet good quality Sigma lens.
Agree, plus, the focus shift option in the Pano could be handy for those times one really wants higher resolution!
And Sigma lenses. Canon really misses out by not having Sigma. While Sony and Panasonic will continue to grow with them. That alone has me happy with the S5ii.
On a camera this small, that can be mounted on a gimbal its nbd.
@@pahwraith No. Not 100 grams more to carry on Cabin Only luggage... if that's all you are allowed to carry.
@@Viewtolove if youre getting paid to film then you can afford to check in luggage. Bill it to the client.
Was considering upgrading from my R to this but that different smaller battery might be a deal breaker for me!
Same for me...
You could carry a spare or use a USB PD source to top up / power?
You dont carry spares?!
@@cameralabs But why? Canon has the LP-E6 well established. And my guess is - there will be not full featured BG for the R8 either. They should have re-used the R body and BG-E22.
If a battery grip comes out for this then I might be sold on it. The battery flap does look like it's removable for that purpose so I'm sure we might see one in the coming months.
I was really excited about the R8 as a replacement to my Eos R as a faster, second full frame body for wildlife. I could have lived with the reduction in mega pixels, the lack of ibis and the single card slot, but the LP-e17 battery is a deal breaker for me. It’s really too bad. A nice upgrade to the RP for shooters who are happy with that camera and looking to experience Canons new autofocus system and updated video options. But sadly, I think this one is going to be a pass for me.
That aside, great review as always.
Trust me it was not easy plopping down $2,500 plus for r62, but at least I know that I have all the bases covered for the next few years. I consider any camera without ibis unless it's very cheap to be a non-starter.
@@simonmaduxx6777 I’ve got an R5 and just wanted a slightly refreshed R. But this just isn’t it. Think the R6 mkii will be the choice down the line.
@@tokyorose1123 I would have went for R5 if I had the budget. That said, it's almost a sure bet that the R5 Mark II will come out sometime this year. Patience is a virtue it might end up replacing your current one and put that one on backup duty
Yeah, the smaller battery is a shame, but they had to reduce the price, weight and differentiate from the R6 II. If you have a USB PD source though, you can keep it running, or carry a spare.
Gordon, can you charge the battery inside the camera using a powerbank?
Canon the lenseless system, who may have guessed? Cheaper bodies but lenses costing three times as much. Canon needs to allow third party lenses to sustain its system. Especially the RF ASP-C line.
The third party lens debacle means I cannot recommend a Canon RF camera as a "budget" option.. or any option, at all, really.
As a R6 shooter, I'm also appalled at Canon's obstinate refusal to release a firmware update to remove the 30 minute record limit, and personally have not been buying *any* Canon equipment, with an eye to potentially switching systems if Canon doesn't right this wrong.
For £1700 in UK with small battery, card on the bottom and expensive RF lenses, no thanks. Great review though as always Gordon! I am saving for Panasonic Lumix S5II X even Panasonic kit lens has better range 20-60mm.
That f/1.8 RF primes and RF 15-30 or RF 100-400 are similar in price and optical quality to their Tamron/Sigma EF counterparts.
Thanks Gordon. Nice review. Looking at this as an RP owner, it’s definitely an upgrade to the RP, not the R, even though Canon’s naming convention would suggest that it takes the place of the EOS R in the lineup. It’s a nice upgraded RP body. Same layout, batteries, looks like the same grip extender. I put a third party battery grip on my RP and I’ll be looking for someone to make one for the R8 since I’m sure Canon won’t. I’m excited to get an R8. It’s a great step forward from the RP at a good price point. But what will the R9 be? This is great, just not what I expected the R8 would be.
For $100 less, the R is a much better buy for stills.
@@NoRegret08 Why?
@@hitfabryk Because it has a normal battery with double the number of shots and has 6 more megapixels.
@@NoRegret08 Thanks, but the sensor? Isn't better? And the autofocus system much improved? It's easier to take with you that's a fact. But the sensor and autofocus I really don't know just asking.
@@hitfabryk Dynamic range is a little better on the R8. A little less noise on the R8. I have R7 as well and autofocus is better than the on the R. However , birds in flight - autofocus sucks on the R7. I returned the R10 for it's small battery and got the R7 and the battery life on the R8 is even worse than on R10. I read an article that the colors on the R magical. Viewfinder on the R also has higher resolution than on R8. If you also do the video, then get the R8 over the R. Just get a few batteries (extra cost) and you can only use these batteries on very few low end Canon cameras
FYI: The RP does not have a pop-up flash.
I'm really conflicted between this and the Panasonic Lumix S5 II as my first camera. I was hoping to get gernally into photography, landscapes and street photography mainly, but also wanted the camera to serve video purposes for events or even streaming/video production. The lack of an IBIS seems a bit harsh, but a gimble could easily fix that
Be warned the L and RF mount lenses are expensive!
Which lead me to Sony E mount and third party lenses!
I love Canon but the S5 ii is a much better buy if you’re comparing the R8. That’s a lot of camera for your first buy though. I’d go with something you can grow in and really get comfortable with the system. Invest in glass, not bodies. You probably won’t use/need half the features on the S5 ii if you’re just starting out.
I was thinking to buy the RP before the R8 was released, but after watching I've changed my mind hence the newer parts and the price to performance on the R8 compared to the RP
Yes, the R8 is a step up in many respects, but do keep an eye on used RP prices as there are bargains to be had.
@@cameralabs for us Canadians it seems like $1000 difference for better video, between the RP and R8. for myself I'm happy with my R7 for critters, and a used RP I got for FF richness, bokeh and wide angle.
Yes don't get the RP especially if you want to do 4k video. They really did us wrong with the RP 4k.
I'm in an R8/R6 Mk II dilemma. I have a Canon R7, which I liked, but it developed a focus problem, and after three trips to the Canon shop (two of them to fix something the shop broke on the previous trip) I still don't think it's working well. I'm also going on at least a 3-month road trip to New Mexico where getting new camera gear might involve hours of driving.
So I'm thinking of getting an R8 or R6 II as a backup. My budget says the R8 is the best choice. My shaky old hands say I need the R6's IBIS. My budget tells my shaky old hands to take a vitamin and exercise. My shaky old hands threaten to quit buying things. There are also little angels on my shoulders telling to to either get another R7 or YOLO it and splurge on an R5. Somewhere near my spleen is a voice telling me to buy a Sony and register it on the Canon site, just to rub it in.
I've said it before. Photography is easy; it's the shopping that's hard.
I like the R6 II, but it's quite a price hike over the R8 for IBIS, the dual slots etc. Remember you could always get the R8 with lenses that have OIS?
@@cameralabs It's a great point. I have two EF lenses and two RF lenses. Three of them have IS, so that weighs heavily in the R8's favor.
im coming from 6D and looking to get either R8 or R6 mk ii, mainly shoot long exposure and landscape, which would you recommend?
Probably R8
3:33 i like this shot of the glinting lens mount
so shiny
I was looking at the R8 as my secondary camera. Thanks for the video.
Enjoy all your videos. Keep up the good work. At my age of 82 and trying to get back in to a bit of serious for me photography I am developing more of an interest in jpg’s. You mentioned your book the other day and I bought it. I am looking forward to diving into both your book and some jpeg outputs. Ahhhh….I did have to breakout my “Coke bottle “ glasses though. Your headings are easy to read but lighter,smaller and thinner print in the body of your stories not so much. Well all the good info is still there and all that you say has great interest to me.
I enjoy it when you and Duane get together as well. Thanks for all you do.
Joe
Thanks for buying my book! I didn't design the layout inside though, and I agree some of the text is a bit small! I hope you can still read it ok though and find some useful or interesting information - I'm a 99% JPEG shooter.
Gordon what are you using for denoise. I use dxo which I don't think allows jpegs
Thank you Gordon! Canon marketing dept sucks big time - they removed not only the joystick but also the wheel at the back for exp.comp, nerfed battery which was already bad on the R5/6, and... where is the full mech shutter? Another stil-born product from Canon like the R10. IBIS doesn't make a difference with IS lenses, but for vloggers it will suck. No particular target market, no particular idea why is his camera released except to have a cheaper FF camera. Not good for action (6fps), not good for landscape (no mechanical shutter), not good for vlogging (no IBIS), not good for video (crap battery), so what is it good for? Average joe who will use his phone camera instead. Stillborn. Jack of all trades master of none. R and RP users moved to R6. 6D Mark II did the same. Crop sensor DLSR users moved to R7, so who will buy R8? The odd walk-in who walks into a big store to buy 'a camera' having no idea what he is buying but having a budget of $1500 and the salesman pushes him into R8. But may as well push him into Sony or Nikon, Fuji, Panasonic or OM, depending which brand name sounds better to the client. Probably Sony. I think Panasonic and Fuji are celebrating the release of R8 and R10 like never before. OM will join in soon enough.
Who will buy it? Me!
Small battery aside this is really impressive, you're essentially getting an R6 II with its 40fps and uncropped 4k60 for $1500.
exactly
@@Yupthereitism same problem the R7 has shooting birds in flight, the trees start to bend...ha
I'm still using my 10 year old T5i Rebel (700D), it's in excellent condition and has served me well, but I might need to upgrade. I'm eyeing the R8 as my replacement.
I just bought the R8 in 2024. I have a T7i,2 EF lenses and 1 EFS Lense. This is an outstanding purchasefor me!
The Canon R8 is a replacement of 2009 canon RP. The price of canon RP will certainly drop lower than 900€ and it will be a bargain.
The Canon R8 has a single card slot a maximum 1/4000th mecabincal shutter and only 1st curtain mechanical shutter. These are similar to the Sony a7C but the entry 2020 full frame Nikon Z5 at a similar or even lower price offers 1/8000th mechanical shutter double card slots, IBIS and much more.
At the end of the day what counts is the quality of photos and Canon R8 is probably really good at that.
With an entry price at around 1500€ The Canon R8 isn't cheap and with a lack of IBIS which is very important since the stabilization inside the lenses isn't common as before.
Last the firmware of Canon mirrorless cameras doesn't allows the use of third party autofocus lenses contrary to Sony and Nikon mirrorless cameras. That is very very important since autofocus lenses by Sigma and Tamron are usually cheaper and with better optical performance.
Put the adapter on it and ALL your EF Sigma and Tamron IS lenses will work just fine. Mount the control-ring-adaptor and look at it like an EF lens platform.
All my EF quality llenses petform simply better on the R8 given its AF and full frame sensor.
2:49 the RP does not have a pop up flash.
The camera really is overpriced for what it is: the price of the original RP at launch would have been fine "if" the EF adapter was included, but at 1600$/£/€ I'd rather get an S5II, a Z5 or a 7c, even paying a bit more: I'd get the money back while buying lenses later. Not that the R6II sensor could be seen as a great one too, compared to the others, so the price hike is not justifiable. At least the RP colours are more attractive, and no Ibis defies most of the advantages in video and low light anyway
Good point, the adapter does add to the cost and bring it closer to bodies with more lens choices.
No Canon full frame has a Pop up Flash. Neither DSLR nor DSLM
@@mbr5742 yep, I'm not sure why I said that about the RP, it was a slip of the tongue, sorry!
It might be a good travel camera, since its smaller and packs enough features.
Given the body is like an RP and the battery is the same as RP, pretty sure the R8 is an RP replacement.
Regardless, thanks for the review. Definitely one great camera here!
You're right, it is more of an RP II, I meant to talk more about that, but my turnaround was limited.
@@cameralabs Keep up the good work, been a follower of Cameralabs even pre-UA-cam days.
I've already contacted Canon as well, preparing to purchase an EOS R8!
@@goldfries thanks for your support!
My guess is there will be no "true" R replacement. The lineup will have the R8 as a basic entry level full frame and the R6-II replacing R and R6.
@@mbr5742 yeah, there won't be. The world changed a lot, RP was launched at $999.
R8 is now $1499 which I believe there's 2 reasons for it.
1. it's the latest gen Entry Level FF
2. EOS RP continues to be on the market.
While R8 looks to be the RP replacement based on the physical nature of it, price and specs looks like it's kicking EOS R off the shelves.
Budget and experience (or lack thereof) made me order the R8. If I was a really good photographer, I'd probably want the extra features of the R6 Mark II, but I'm still learning, so the R8 makes sense experience-wise. Budget-wise, the $1000 I saved on the body will go a long way toward getting better lenses. Well, one better lens at least. :)
How do you change subjects without the joystick? Do you need to use the touchscreen, taking your eye away from the viewfinder?
Hi Gordon great review as always! Quick question, would the 30p Fine on the R7 be higher quality than the 30p on the R8? Probably you didn't get a chance to test this, just wondering as you've seen footage from both. Thanks!
Good question. I think the r6 could oversample from more data, but not sure any of us would see a difference. Both look good.
@@cameralabs Thanks Gordon, I guess the R8 being a full frame vs the APSC makes the small difference probably. I am contemplating between the two. Perhaps if you get the chance it would be a good test in the future, as they're the same price! ☺️
Would be good to see. I have the R7 and the video is great, as well as the camera it self i sjust superb.
I guess omitting IBIS and the second card slot (not as big of a deal) in a FF body these days is a bit of a letdown, especially since Nikon was able to include these features and come in at $100 less. I think it's great that Canon has a lot of options, but to be honest, one might be a bit more inclined to get an R7 over the R8 since the R7 does have a bit more of the R5 guts (including IBIS) but is only an APS-C sensor. Something some people may not be as concerned about, and may compromise over versus a larger sensor but no IBIS. I sort of get the feeling of an R/RP do-over with the R8 to be honest. Canon could have at least given this camera IBIS for that price, which I think is the major pitfall here. With this I would say that the gen 1 R6 might still be a better value here, despite being a bit older. As would be the Nikon Z5 as well, despite its heavy 4k crop. It does seem that Nikon has made a camera that seems to be the one to beat in terms of entry level FF, and I think Canon made a good attempt, but fell a little short if we use the Z5 as a benchmark for an entry-level budget camera (of course Sony doesn't really have anything cheaper than $2000 for their current lower-end FF bodies, if you only look at currently avaialble models, like the A7 III, despite being previous gen).
And the R7 can use an adapter to get very close to a full frame sensor...
Kicking myself I pulled the trigger on the R6ii 3 months ago. This was the RP upgrade I’ve been asking for, at $1k less
True, but the R6 II is still an amazing camera and superior in many respects
This is a review every objective person needs. Great review. No bias, no fanboy thing like the Fro. Giving the pros and cons just to a typical user who will need this camera for their use, or else others telling this is ultimate sports camera for somebody who shoots even professional. I really envy R8 video features as a Z5 owner, how much I wish I could at least have no crop 4k. In video R8 is obviously better than even Z6ii, but consider having a gimbal, and spare batteries. Would I get R8 if I was serious about video, probably yes, but R6 is also great option to consider, even being older. But in stills area, Z5 beats R8 especially after latest firmware and is 500$ less. IBIS , dual card slots, great EVF, battery life, 1/8000 mechanical shutter, ergonomics, 3rd party lenses, and I will argue in AF things, for portraits , events , weddings , street, landscape its AF is enough. For action and wildlife, yes it's slacking. But for majority of stills shooters , Z5 is a better camera than R8.
Thanks, and I'm glad you like my approach to making reviews. I wish there was a bigger demand for this style, as the more sensationalist videos always get more views and greater revenue as a result.
It’s the rp mark ii - all is good except for the tiny little battery 😅
The batteries are cheap and small to carry, for street or tourist photography, to have a couple extra in the pocket is no big deal.
BRAVO CANON! Cant wait to see what camera will be next. What features are we gonna lose next. 0 card slots? Reverse ibis that adds camera shake? No physical dials what so ever? I am so exited!!! Also cant wait to pair it with 6.3 and 7.1 dark zooms. May be we can expect f9.6 28-45? Future is here, never thought that we will expirience such a leaps in modern technology. Bravo!
LOL ngl you had me in the first half. Canon, the only ones releasing a 24-50 variable aperture lens and have a kit 24-105 4-7.1 for a $2500 body. Like a big middle finger to their clients. Don't need all the features? Downgrade to an r7 with a whopping 2 rf-s lenses neither of which are weather sealed for your sports/action camera. At least with the 24-105 it's okay it's not weather sealed because you're not using the long end on a cloudy day anyways. Canon is king..of upsales.
Spend $500 more or less. $500 more and get a Lumix s5ii. $500 less for a used xt4 or a6600 for your family vacation camera.
This camera is so sleazy - tiny and portable but pathetic battery life, 4k 60 but you better be on a tripod or gimble. Great AF with no joystick. It's like designed to con people who only read specs, so they buy it and instantly start thinking about upgrading.
I lol’ed at zero card slots. Well played.
Maybe you first show me a camera with even remotely the capabilities as a package in its price range?
@@andreasbuder4417 xt5, s5ii, the xt4.. the thing of this camera isn't its specs, it's what the specs don't portray. Time limits, very low battery life, no joystick for the AF, etc. You get 4k 60 uncropped but unless you're on a tripod or gimbal, you're going to be cropping in anyways to correct for camera shake. You get 2 hours or 4k 24 but your battery runs out after 1hr. You get 40fps e shutter but only 6 mechanical. It's a camera that looks good on paper but jams you up at every turn.
Entry level camera. Apparently you missed that bit of info. Just another fool who wants the features of the R6 II for $1000 less.
As always. The best reviewer of cameras in UA-cam. Been following you for almost a decade now. Thanks gordon
As for the camera, so cute, so capable, so affor9
Thanks for supporting me for so long! Glad you like my style.
I wish more youtubers would stop praising this camera because they do not wish to upset canon. The rolling shutter is a big deal and I do not believe the electronic first curtain mode will eliminate rolling shutter completely 6 FPS is useless for fast action. In the world of fast action or building photography rolling shutter is a big deal. No mechanical shutter is some thing we need and canon has removed it.
Good job Gordon with your review. Very well documented set of differences with R6 II.
Thanks!
Always the best, most thorough no nonsense reviews.
Thankyou!
I never understood the obsession with IBIS. It wasn't in cameras not even five years ago, and we took amazing pics just the same. It has never been a problem for me. As for small batteries, no big deal-just grab a bunch! Filming one hour of 4 K 25fps is absolutely great. One SD slot... no big deal; we never needed two! I think R8 is a fricking awesome deal.
Agreed, and some vloggers actually prefer NOT to have IBIS as it can intro wobbles at the edges of wide lenses when walking.
My brother got the R8 to use with a T-Ring on his telescope. Works perfectly!
Nice! Look back long ago on my channel and you'll find a video about using an old Canon 40D on my own telescope!
You know what would make this camera interesting? A tamron 28-75. Oh well…
Sadly no...
Just get the RF28-70
Well, the Sigma 28-105mm f2.8 DG DN would be even more mighty. Oh well...
There's a Canon RF 28-70mm f/2.8 now
@@Skux720 For more or less the same price, I bought a used EF24-70mm f2.8L ii USM.
I have an rp that I quite enjoy.
Been debating upgrading to perhaps the r5 or r6ii, finances pending. though the r8 may fit my budget better and skill set.
I’m also torn between waiting to see if a r5ii comes out in a few months.
Me and my wallet are torn.
I can deal with the one-card slot, puny battery and lack of ibis. What's the deal breaker for me: the card slot on the BOTTOM. I'm on a tripod a lot and change cards quite a bit. WHAT A PAIN. I ended up picking up a mint condition EOS R and it's perfect for my use. Two positives I appreciate about the R8 is you can use it as a webcam without downloading the canon webcam utility & no time limit for video recording.
I agree, card slots underneath are a pain. You might find a small tripod plate though that still allows access depending on your head.
Canon R8 in full frame, Canon R10 or Canon R50 in APS-C has the full potential to be a number 1 seller in their own category but will never reach that destination due to the stubborn behaviour of Canon. At least four or five lenses could improve the situation - like SIGMA 16mm & 30mm F1.4 in RF-S, Sigma 24-70mm F2.8 IS in RF, Sigma 150-600mm, RFS-22m F2, a better kit lens for R50 (like EF-M 15-45 F3.5-6.3).
I am a user of R10 and I like it. I would love it if Canon gave C-log 3 in it and brought an overall zoom like EFS 17-55mm F2.8.
Hi Gordon, thanks for your reviews, they're really helpful. I have a Canon 6D and I'm thinking of upgrading. At first, I was considering the 90D but then I saw your review with the definition comparison charts, which led me to two other options: the Canon R8 and the Fujifilm X-S20, which are similarly priced. (Except I'd have to buy new lenses unlike with the Canon 90D.)
I understand that the main video difference is between 4K and 6K, and honestly, that doesn't appeal to me that much (although it's nice to have as a future option) since I make videos for social media, institutions, or tutorials, so I'm more interested in good definition and autofocus. What do you think? Thanks a lot for everything.
Do you need the best video AF? Canon is way better at that than Fujifilm.
Thanks Gordon, I look out for yo when. Pop along the coast! With the R8s ability to provide a crop of 1.6x this would have the effect of increasing the EF100-400 to max at 640mm I think, but what is the resolution like? It would be a great all-round camera and decent for birds in flight if the crop image resolution is still good, no?
I have a 6d, and I’m in the early stages of looking to upgrade - the R6 mk2 would,be my desire, but I have pennies to sane for a year or 2 first - this might swing me towards the R8 if the detail and sharpness were good enough.
Thanks for the reviews - I’ve subbed! 🙏😀
If you intend to crop for photo, you will lose a lot of resolution, so it's best to by a crop camera instead. the R7 and 100-400 are a great combo for wildlife. Cropping for video is ok through as there's still enough res for 4k.
@@cameralabs inters, thanks for this… I’ll keep looking at my options and keep using the 6d to improve 😀🙏🙏
Canon has seriously lost their direction. I'm still a Canon user but I have already, at the same time, moved to the Fujifilm system. I travel light now but I have access to some really awesome lenses.
Look at all the "weird" lenses Canon has been producing for their APS-C sensor cameras, dating back to the M-series. The maximum aperture ends at f/6.3 maximum zoom.
I have always been against their APS-C sensor cameras since the days of the 60D or 70D. There aren't any more great APS-C lenses since the EF-S 10-22mm and 17-55mm f/2.8.
Lo and behold, they have now produced a ridiculous 24-50mm with a really smallish aperture range of f4.5-6.3. Seriously, Canon? Who are you targeting this lens at? The focal length range is limited, and the aperture is (again!!!) restrictive. We are talking about a full-frame R8 here! This is not some APS-C camera.
I suppose Canon is trying valiantly to compete with Fujifilm and Olympus by slashing off their lenses' focal lengths and aperture range. But the attempt has failed very badly.
Sony has an excellent 20-70mm f/4 lens. What has Canon produced? Just some dumbed down rehash general kit lenses. You're not gonna attract new photographers if you keep doing that, Canon. Many more will cross over to Fujifilm or Sony.
Because its meant to be a small and light travel camera, a light travel lens just provides options, plenty of heavy RF glass or even cheaper primes if you want fast aperture and lightweight
I don’t think Canon specifically aimed the lens for travel. It feels like another of their desperate attempt to compete with the rising popularity of competitors like Fujifilm and Olympus. Then hopefully, those new to photography might think erroneously that wow, Canon also has small lenses. But they don’t realise the disadvantages they have to bear.
I don’t see how a lens that starts with a small aperture of f4.5 and a reach of only 50mm could be useful for travel. I wouldn’t want to be caught shooting at only 50mm but my max aperture is already at f6.3! 😅🫣
Precisely this is why many have switched to Fujifilm. For travel, I’m definitely using my Fujifilm, not an R8 with this weird 24-50.
Canon really needs to rethink their marketing strategy. Leave the full frame market for serious enthusiasts and pros. They don’t mind carrying bigger and heavier lenses. Stop propagating the f/6.3 design and marketing strategy!
At the same time, concentrate a lot more on the smaller sensor cameras and design much better APS-C lenses. The current batch of new lenses that Canon has is dismally limited and just not attractive.
@@kwangc6720 well they seemed desperate to keep the size and weight low and that can only mean they consider that a USP. A lightweight and small FF combined with a lightweight and small prime lens has a perfectly valid usecase. APS-C lenses are probably a separate discussion but the RF lens mount was designed around making FF lenses more compact and simpler. Maybe they want to concentrate on fleshing that out first.
Great and fair review. The lack of a joystick and ibis in 2023 is a deal breaker (cripple hammer.) If you're going to have one card, make it a CFE-B! Why aren't consumer cameras offering dual micro-SD-II slots?! I've built several RF kits in carts over the past two years, and the sticker shock is real. I'm done with adapting too. It ruins the main reason I went mirrorless; weight and portability.
I went with an A7C because I can mount great, compact, affordable Tamron f2.8 zoom lenses to it. If Sony ever makes their bricks more comfortable to hold, everyone else will be in real trouble. The best value is a used Z6 from MPB for $950 paired with the 24-70F4S for under $400 as well. If you're into birding or shoot sports you still have to PAY to play, deal with lower hit rates, or stick with the DSLR route.
The R8 is unquestionably a very solid upgrade to the RP (40 vs 4 fps, uncropped vs cropped 4K, a much more advanced AF system and ultimately a much better, modern sensor), but I find it to be too expensive in Europe. In Germany it costs €1800, which is nowhere near the RP price.
As a fellow German I have to disagree this time. 1499$ is without taxes, and it would be 1783$ with 19% VAT (Mehrwertsteuer). The exchange rate always varies between $ and €, so 1800€ is actually quite fair.
@@andreasbuder4417 Dear Andreas, I am not comparing our price to the one in the US, as I am aware of the VAT not being included in that price. I am solely referring to the price here. One can argue that, for the feature set, including the new R6 II sensor, this is a fair price. I just think for a camera that Canon seems to be placing as its budget full frame model, €1800 is not insignificant.
@@doros9.2 did you include inflation?
@@suburbia2050 I am aware that inflation has to be taken into account and I don‘t think the price is illogical. I am just having a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that €1800 is the price of a „budget“ camera.
@@doros9.2 Especially when Nikon eats its lunch for features in the budget full frame model.
Your reviews are my favorite!
Thankyou! Your comments are my favourites!
Lack of joystick is a bummer. For casual photography, I think I'd stick with the original RP.
You can always use the screen as a touchpad, it works quite well
@@cameralabs the camera finds the subject, I rarely use my joystick on the R7
@@robertschwarz8702 good point
So you obviously don’t need the auto focussing then. Many people would upgrade just for that.
@@philfyphil Oh, I need the autofocusing. I have an R5 and an R6 for that. That's why I said casual. I think it's weird that they put a joystick on the R10, which is about $600 cheaper, but not on the R8.
Can you power the camera from powerbank throught usb-c port and the battery inside while shooting photo/video?
Great review for great camera
I literally talk about this in the video
Nice upgrade of the RP, which is what I use, in my case I like the battery, since it is light for travel and for video I also use "dummy", what I don't like is the card below and the starting price something high...thank you!
So, nothing for me. Not upgrading from EOS R. Great review Gordon. Tnx
It has a better sensor, better resolution and DR in a lighter and smaller body
I reckon if I didn't already have the RP I'd get this one instead, but there isn't really enough appealling upgrades for me to replace it. I'll stick with the RP, it's still a really neat little camera. Thanks for a great review!
4K60 1080p180 2 hours record limit... 1/16000 shutter instead of 1/4000... worth it i reckon
@@mostlymessingabout depends on what you use it for. Who doesn't need 4K can be perfectly happy with the RP
@@Ralferator This. 4K files are unnecessarily big, and I can't think of any situation where I'd ever need 1/16000 shutter speed tbh. Both overkills for me. Upgrades that would make it worth switching would be in-camera colour correction calibration, proper multiple exposure options, in-camera panoramas, different formats for video beyond 16:9... This kind of things. But doesn't look like the R8 has any of these, and they're more things that could be added with firmware updates if Canon was so inclined. So off I am into the sunset with my RP haha.
@@lsamoa I agree. I am fine with 1080 for video and don't need the fast shutter speed. Since we have cats, the animal Autofocus would be nice for us, but i will be happy with the RP for some years
I have found after shooting lots of video that the CLOG3 is much worse than using HDRPQ. You really notice it in the blacks. CLOG3 is way too noisy. I really don't know why people use it. The cinema gamut is also overkill for such a noisy image. I'd sooner have reduced colour depth and clean shadows. Resolve is very good at producing nice colours from even 8 bit footage anyway.
Great work is always Gordon. At first this camera on paper made no sense. It makes much more sense now, it's essentially both a replacement for the R and RP and then those triple duty as a step up and image quality from crop or rebel.
Ibis was important enough for me to hold out for the r62. The r62 is much more of a replacement for a 5D. This is definitely not this camera can definitely be very situational and it's usage limits but I'm sure it is a lot of ways that this can be used very effectively. The lens that's on it it's going to be super critical especially for IS.
Thanks again now going to check out your other review. Cheers.
Thanks!
What do you guys think about using an EFM-adapter to the R8 combining the R8 with the Sigma 16mm f/1.4? Will that work well or is it just a bad idea?
I didn't know there was an EFM to RF adapter available. Plus the Sigma is only designed for smaller APSC sensors, so you'd be in a crop mode on the R8.
Another solid review, thank you Gordon. It seems like a very lightweight camera, probably good for use on a small gimbal. That said I remember using the RP when it first came out and the shock when I found myself in London with only one dying battery!
Thanks Ben, and yes, you need to have a backup power solution if you're doing a lot of filming,. Thankfully a USB PD battery will do the trick.
Hard pass for me. Slow frames per second shooting speed, single card slot and worst on the list... the LP E-17 battery that was a terrible choice in 2015 when the M3 came out and is an even terrible-r idea in 2023 after all of these advances in tech. Canon is playing games with it's customers, beginner camera or not. Thanks for the always great review Gordon.
The camera is aimed at amateuers with big wallets. The group that in DSLR days bought 70/80/90 in APS-C or 6D/6D2 in FF. Those never had nor missed the 2nd Slot. Professionals will not buy these but rather the R6-II (or 5D series in DSLR days)
This is definitely on my short list when I finally upgrade from my existing Canon 5D2 and Canon M50. If only it had IBIS ... nuts!
Yeah, they want you to buy the R6 or the R7
Thank you! I can't wait till it goes back into stock
Does the sensor stay exposed even when the power is off? One of my favourite things about the original EOS R is that it shuts the sensor when turned off.
I would like to know the same thing! I have EOS R since its realise and almost no dust on the sensor. It would be great that R8 has the same ability!
I upgraded from RP to R6. I really liked the RP because of its size and design. But I feel a bit silly when I now considering to sell my R6(mark 1) to buy the R8:). I don`t care about sport/action but it`s handy to have IBIS when I`m using my RF 50 1.8.
R6 is better, I wouldn't bother
@@wmp2669 No, not all aspects.
R8 is better on video quality, AF, features.
@@vinvanid Is that all?
I only ask because I'm looking to buy one or the other and I don't do any video recording and the r6 af is also plenty good enough for me. Thanks
@@wmp2669 So with R8 you can be satisfied and save 1000+ bucks to buy extra battery, better lenses..
@@vinvanid I'm talking about the original R6. Same price as r8 here in the UK. Cheers
Best camera review on UA-cam ever, you're the real deal, I was considering the EOS R7 before your review, you didn't mention about it's live streaming capability, is the battery in the R8 not as good as the R? I was considering that yesterday now I'm leaning towards the R8
I need to look more at live streaming from these
Great video. How do you reckon the R8 would compare to the 77D for video recording? Similarities? Differences? Important features added or missing? 🧐👍
You'd have to look up the 77D as it's been ages since I used it. You're best comparing the specs on Canon's web pages for both models - the R8 will have better video quality, AF and more features.
@@cameralabs Thanks. Do you know if the R8 has a clean HDMI out for external recording or streaming?
@@jarednel I think it does
Would have loved to see just the digital IS alone!
Does R8 shoot vertical video?
Does it have so called product showcase AF setting?
Does the screen black out when you connect monitor via HDMI?
As a beginner/enthousiast who moved from DSLR (EOS T3i) to Mirrorless (EOS R10) last year, I was disappointed to see Canon release a full frame sensor camera in the same price range. I thought I just missed out! But after viewing this video, I see that I'm better off with the specs and features of my R10, even with a cropped sensor. Thank you for the videos, Gordon! Always well done and appreciated!
You're welcome!
Canon had similar priced APS-C and FF in the DSLR range as well. 7D2/80/90D and 6D/6D2
@@mbr5742 I tried to find a 90D, but eventually opted to R10.
APS-C and full frame caters to 2 different photographers though. the former being much better for telephoto usage.. totally depends on what stuff you prefer to shoot here. =)
I thought about the original EOS R and the RP. The RP would have cost me more, I already had a stack of LP-E6 batteries of various brands, and I would probably have bought four extras for the RP.
Eventually I decided not to, and I use mostly M43 gear, and an S1R with my TS-E lenses.
That 90mm macro lens looks good, but it's not the MP-E 65 killer I anticipated. Teleconverters required for the higher magnifications? It's even more expens, unless you have the teleconverters, and more faffing around. AF and focus bracketting though.
Does the r8 have a central pin on the shoe and does it have a 1/250 shutter sync speed? Or is the sync speed lower like the rp? Thanks for the video!
good question - I don't recall about the pin, so will check
Thank you so much Gordon for the detailed and informative review. As I know R8 doesn't have mechanical shutter system? is that right? thanks and God bless you!
It has electronic first curtain which is electronic open and mechanical close
@@cameralabs Thank you for your kind answer! Good luck Gordon!
Always found canon better than Sony for color and image. What’s your take on travel and some sports video with photo r8 or a6700?
Both are great choices, but obviously the Sony has ibis and a smaller sensor. Base it on the lenses you want and can afford. Plan ahead. There's more third party options for Sony than Canon at the moment if price is an issue
@@cameralabs thanks! I’d get a used zoom and a used prime that’s all I need for my use. What image do you prefer for video first 4k 24 and then photo?
Excellent review .
I am confused between Canon R8 and Sony a7iii. 🙆
Both good choices, depends a lot on screen flip and lenses you like.
I wanted to buy this R8 but Im really curious with the effect of its first curtain / electronic shutter in strobe photography. No one demonstrate this in youtube. Does it matter if I use F1.4/1.8 + 1/8000 shutterspeed using strobe?
Sorry I'm not a strobist
@@cameralabs its ok sir. Im a fan of your channel. Thank you for the hard work of reviewing gears for us.
You’d be better off buying a good condition used R6 IMO or wait a few months til the price of the mkii drops. You get far more camera for your money rather than this. Thing.
not necessarily, the R8 has uncropped oversampled 4k video up to 2hrs per clip without overheating and better subject detection. pros and cons to both.
Yeah must be taking amazing photographs while waiting for a hypothetical price drop!
I currently have the EOS RP and was thinking of getting the R8. I am in no way a professional I am an average joe taking photos at Disneyland and so on. Would it be an upgrade in your opinion? And Would you upgrade from the RP? TIA
Yes, it's faster and the video and AF is way better. But you won't be getting IBIS, dual card slots etc. The body is much the,same.
dpreview noticed significant loss in image quality in the m6 mark ii when using digital IS and even worse losses in image quality in enhanced IS. Does the R8 see any losses in image quality when digital IS or enhanced digital IS is enabled?
All cameras suffer when you apply any kind of digital IS, as it crops the image and scales it back up again.
No IBIS! That's a basic option in most cameras nowadays
Hey Gordon. What's the smalles canon mirror less to have image stabilization in body?
I think it's the R5 and R6, so not that small!
@@cameralabs ok cheers. I ditched canon years ago when they lost the game to Sony due to crap video features for a few years .... Now canon is back I might buy again as still have a bunch of L lenses
I have been shooting with canon since they only had MF. So a lot of these limitations I can live with. But now I'm looking at switching to a full frame the lenses make it a no go for me. As an amateur I have always relied on Tamron, Sigma and even a Tokina. I can't afford to buy a camera that has only these expensive lenses. 😕
EOS R system has less expensive lenses that good enough quality.
RF 16, 24, 35, 50, 85 F2, etc..
@@johnG-x8l Agree, it would be great if Tamron and Sigma allowed to make RF lenses..
I would like to see 24-70 F2.8/F4 with VC/OS with 1/3-1/4 the price of RF 24-70 😍
I looked at sample photos of the R8 at DP review and they were gorgeous. And then I looked at the samples of the Pana S1 and I was shocked how bad they were.
The S1 is a previous generation for Lumix, whereas the R8 is still current for Canon. Better to compare current Lumix like S5 II or even GH7
@@cameralabs 5 days ago I took out lumix LX100 and Canon 350D and shot the same scenes with the two cameras and 350D was the best by far. It was so frustrating for me why I never use the LX100 and now I finally admitted to myself why. It is a cute camera , but........
For video its good.
@@jan-martinulvag1962 the LX100 is a fun camera for sure, but both it and the 350D are very old now in digital camera terms.
@@cameralabs Sony made a 12 mp full frame sensor for a reason and they should make an 8 mp aps c sensor too for the same reason.
@@jan-martinulvag1962 I think Canon made some camcorders with 8-12mp sensors for native 4k.
Gordon, honestly, you're one of the most knowledgeable reviewers on YT, so I'm a little surprised that you said ''bigger pixels on R8 makes it better in low light'' when it is well known that it's just an urban legend but actually the whole size of the sensor accounts for light capture not an individual pixel
On a per pixel level, a bigger pixel has the potential for greater light gathering plus higher dynamic range, BUT while higher res sensors with smaller pixels may be noisier per pixel, there's more of them, so the noise artefacts are smaller and often less obtrusive. Lots of factors to weigh up
Not sure if this has been asked yet :)
What is the dust & moisture protection on the R8?
And why are images in video not affected by rolling shutter?
Thanks, great video Gordon!
What do you mean by images in video? Do you mean extracting photos from video?
@@cameralabs hi, both video and electronic shutter for stills both operate in the same way via electronic shutter, So just wondering why electronic shutter for still shots is subject to the rolling shutter distortion while the video images appear to not be distorting?
Kind of reminds me of smearing images on lcd tvs some years back?
Is it the resolution or frame rate that the digic processing can’t quite handle?
Or longer shutter speeds?
Thanks 🙏
Just curious why the “rolling shutter” effect happens?
@@ScottoGrotto the rolling shutter effect is due to the readout speed of the sensor, line by line, so by the time it gets to the bottom, the subject or composition may have moved. It affects video and electronic stills but due to the way the video is scaled or oversampled from the full sensor, the effect may be less than for stills.
Thanks Gordon! Does the R8 shoot video in 8 bit or 10 bit? How are the colors compared to other Canon cameras?
10-bit when in C-Log3, 8-bit when in regular picture styles.
@@andreasbuder4417 Thanks! Thanks! How are the colors on this camera for video? Are they the same as the Canon R5 out of camera?
@@dpestlin1 Ah you mean out of camera. Well yeah, just look for a comparison between the R5 and R6 II. I would not hesitate at all mixing footage, the color science is extremely consistent.
@@andreasbuder4417 I see. So you are saying the r8 has the same color science as the R6 II?
@@dpestlin1 Exactly.
So I have chosen to use the R8 with the 24-105 L and the 100-500 L. I chose the R8 for its autofocus. Did I choose well?
Sure, nice setup!
Canon R7 or R8? Which is best for indoor photo & Video shooting?
I have an R8 and the thing thats not talked about it the battery indicator it shows full and half full only All you get is a red letter warning in the viewfinder that says battery dead. So you carry extra batteries at $70 a pop. buy a usb charger 3d party grip eic. you add lens and the camera is no longer small. Not a happy R8 owner.
That's an important observation, I'll try to mention it in future reviews, although the battery indicator may be visible in some of my screen recordings. I also generally recharge over USB as I always have a cable spare for my phone.
Awwesome review as usual! Thank you Gordon. 👍 Currently owning an RP, unfortunately, I'm still stumped on if I should spend the extra for the R6 mk ii haha. Aaah decisions decisions.
Well, the R8 basically takes your RP and puts the R6 II sensor inside, BUT you have the same body features as before. if you wat a body upgrade with IBIS, dual cards, bigger battery, better EVF etc, then you need the R6 II.
Excellent review! I've been looking at the Sony a7c for my daughter so she can Vlog her construction business. Now this Canon R8 comes out, so I'm glad I didn't get the Sony...yet. I have shot Canon for 45 years but know absolutely nothing about video, and my daughter knows nothing about cameras. I have the R and all RF L glass. I'm looking for other people's opinions here...Will the R8 be better than the Sony a7c for vlogging? I appreciate any input that you or your readers can offer. Thanks!
Don't forget, Sony is about to release the 7cii.
I would like to buy this camera but I have a silly question. How much the absence of IBIS impact the photo quality? As I see in this and other reviews that compare the R8 with the R6 MII apparently there are no big differences shooting photos with the two cameras. As the IBIS is considered a lack on this camera which is the issues or differences I can encounter choosing this camera over the R8 (still talking about taking photos) ? I need to solve this doubt 🙂
Well, we all survived without IBIS for decades before it was invented! It's useful for sure, but either pair the R8 with a lens that has IS (optical stabilisation in the lens) or be careful to use shutter speeds that are fast enough to avoid camera shake.
Does anyone know if g7x series is going to release a new model in the future？
I have an 80D and I have been waiting for a camera like this. But I will probably buy Sony because they allow 3rd party lens makers to use their mount.
What lenses that canon R system lacks from 3rd party ?
So far i didn't find the lack of 3rd party lenses limit my experience shooting with EOS RP..
Do we need a V90 rated SDXC card to record in 4K 60fps CLOG3 or will a V60 be good enough?
I'm not sure, you'd need to check the bit rate in Canon's specs for this mode.
Is the Subject Detection Auto Focus in the R8 superior to the one on the R7/R10??
Did I mention it in the review?
@@cameralabs I ask because the R7 gets its auto focus system from the R3. While the R8 gets its auto focus system from the R6 Mark2. So was wondering if there is a significant difference in the Subject Detection Auto Focus performance between the R7 & R8. And yes... Thank You Sir for your response!