Wouldnt be so fun to watch someone who doesnt engage or "overreact" it would get very boring and stale qick and the viewers would move on, thats why many can never make it as a streamer or youtuber
I like the idea of dupe protection for nightmare, I may actually consider doing it if they buff the armor/provide areas where it’s useful. As an iron I will literally never do that content as it stands now because completing those tables is too time consuming for little net gain
Bro what. I LOVE dupe protection. For the first set it makes perfect sense and it's reassuring to know about, you can still go miserably dry or crazy lucky, but the dupe protection just removes the worst part of grinding that nobody enjoys. Every set after the first? I don't care. Keep it the same or keep the dupe protection I can see an argument for both, but to me that first set is the most important to feel good about. Bad dry streaks ruin the experience of the content ino
I mean I do appreciate that Jagex have decided that integrity changes should be unpolled, and I honestly have faith in Jagex that if something is off balance in the game, that they'll listen to feedback, I mean it's the only game where there's not only a vote poll, but also surveys asking for more specific feedback on major updates.
I don’t care either way on dupe protection personally, but what does bother me is that this is what was proposed instead of a real solution to the horrendous droprates at Nightmare. Even with the buffs, it will be very niche and have very few use cases, and even with the minor droprate improvements and dupe protection it will still take longer than Torva to acquire. Why?
Dupe protection is good for collection logger/ironman accounts and helps prevent gold farming/botting bosses over n over like nightmare for example but that being said it absolutely has no place being used everywhere, the game is a grind afterall. A good way to do it would be to offer dupe protection until a set is complete then just ffa from there, like nightmare orbs for example: you would recieve 1 of each type before being able to roll them randomly.
some bosses also serve more of a gp grind aswell where as places like nightmare no one is really doing for gp unless they are a bot so why not throw dupe protection on something as niche as that where it helps collection loggers/irons but doesnt mess with gp gains of mains (because they got a ton of better options if they are just after the gp)
they do become random after sets are complete thats the entire point is to lessen pointless grinds from dryness and to allow mains to get the same effect they already get while saving thousands of hours for other accounts. i dont support it, i have an iron with tbow, scythe, shadow blorva pretty much every pvm gear bc im a gamer and i was fine with my dupes and so was my main they gets them. just be a man and get the drop people are so soft these days and cant handle adversity and it shows every day more and more
@@dontbeonlinehero I don't support it being used everywhere but dupe protection on niche mid level content (nightmare, barrows, moons, etc) would help a ton of players progress more to end game. 100% should NOT be used at raids, dt2 bosses, etc
Cha cha... Storry abaut zammy here.. Got my spear on 227 kc. Got 2 steam staffs, and 3 shards. (steam staffs have same drop rate as spear and each shard is 7x time more rare). And I did it all with melee set up. That was hell
Leave dupe protection for people who want it, just allow mains to disable it if they want as well. Suppose it existed for virtus armor, I would not appreciate dupe protection to guarantee the next piece I get is a virtus mask when I could have rolled the body or bottoms
If they can send out one news letter and create such a price increase than I never want to hear anyone complain about bots farming and lowering prices on items 😂 they bot for months and months and only swing items by less than 10m if even. The voidwaker didn't crash due to bots..that was the Jagex nerf talks that dropped from 130m to 80m in hours 😂 now look at the maul 😅
dupe protection has imo indeed not an osrs feel to it. i agree with the statement shown in the video while tasty was talking about it, because the only thing gegex did wrong with the nightmare are the droprates, they're too rare. And dupe protection only makes it worse. The first proposed change in the rebalance blog, in which they said the droprates would be effectively halved, is still a good idea. Dupe protection is not. And I bet there are way more people agreeing with me/us, even ironmen.
I like dupe protection. Could make every piece of gear worth about the same price. Such as rigour. Imagine having to get all Cox drops to get another scroll.
Jagex "we hate that this OP magic necklace is only 800k" here have this update PROPSOAL that caused a 70m item swing on the maul. It's quite clear they must have a lot of metric data on p2p bond players. Get those credit cards ready or prepare to sink hours into raids as the G.E inflation about to pop off.
5:37 Voidwaker: NO NO NO NO NO Dupe protection: There is no good reason to add dupe protection and nobody wants it. They should improve the drop rate instead. Like maybe adding multiple drop rolls?
imo, dupe protection should only be applied for items that either have an essentiality to their utility(i.e Vorkath Head), or serve as a symbol/trophy to an achievement(i.e Scroll Sack). I get that some items are insanely hard to get relative and to their usefulness, and would be kinda redundent to go for as an account progression without a dupe protection(thus making them sorta dead content). But at the same time, rarity is part of the game and also choice. If someone chose to go for a full Mystic Dusk set - sure, dupe protection would make the grind much faster and easier, but it will also make this accomplishment so much less special. The a roll of a die. The hopeful but naive assessment of a grind's length. The shining beam of bliss when getting spooned. The torturing pain of going dry. The mentally empowering commitment of "going for it, whatever it takes". The faded glimmer of hope, sometimes even after being more than 3x the drop rate, thousands of kc into the grind. Getting the drop, completing the set, greening the log. it's a jouney - both an essential part of your character's story within the micro-cosmos of this game and your mental fortitude outside of it.
When other games are completed in 100 hours you have to consider that dupe protection creates a minimum time for completion which is much better for the longevity of the game. consider this right, there are 3 mega rares at cox, and it normally takes lets be generous and say 400 kc for 1. if you do 3 raids every night after work with the homies, you're still looking at 4 months to get that drop, and you could get the wrong one. multiple times? but why would you do that when you could play and beat a whole brand new game, rather than try and get let down. like our lives let us down enough right. its not fair if video games do it too.
Dupe protection should not exist period. The game was not created for ironmen. When the mode was first introduced they specifically said content would not be created or adjusted to cater to those who chose to play on a restricted account. Since then it seems like every other update was created with QoL in mind for iron accounts. It’s ridiculous tbh… They should be listening to Ash on this one. Whenever an iron asks for changes to make their life easier, he tells them to de-iron.
It might not be entirely the same, but we already had some kind of dupe protection in the game. Bludgeon pieces, Brimstone ring pieces, Fortis Colosseum armour, Armadyl piecies, and Bandos pieces (for Masori/Torva), Moons of Peril, etc. If we go on a deeper level in some games like Fishing Trawler, we have dupe protection for skilling outfits. I'm an iron player with thousand of KC at PNM. I've wasted thousands of brews there. Currently, I have 4 NM staffs, 1 Eldritch orb, and that's all (no armour pieces). This update would change nothing for me so far. On the bright side it would give me some more motivation to go there.
2 years ago none of this dupe protection bs existed except for bludgeon and brimstone ring. Also not sure what you mean armadyl and bandos, you can get dupes for both of those along with masori and torva before completing a set.
@@benjaminr8229 lmao, this game was made for "mains" and all of those things have existed a lot longer than iron meme mode. as a high level main account i think ironman mode has ruined the game a lot more... all of the drops are resource drops now because ironmen just seem to always need it easier..... But like i said this game is an MMO not a solo ironman game mode only lol. you are probably stuck at 100 cb on your iron and cant get any drops...
They should just leave the voidwaker alone, it serves its purpose as one of the end game spec weapons sitting alongside claws and ZCB. They worked so hard to deliver a great wilderness boss re-work that increased activity by giving PVMers a good reason to go into the wilderness. If they go ahead with the proposed voidwaker change, it won't be nearly as useful so the price will tank which in turn means we'll start to see a decline in activity. There's many other weapons that they need to be looking at other than the voidwaker right now. Dupe Protection is something I'm really not a fan of - the RNG of getting a drop is what makes this game what it is and if we start adding in built-in rules for specific drops then it takes an element of that away. Firstly they should make the boss teleport to Nightmare tradeable or something. Nobody wants to spend 2 minutes running to the boss, getting slapped up like a bitch, then having to run 2 minutes back to pick up your stuff, then teleporting to bank and spend a few minutes re-gearing, to have to run another 2 minutes back to the boss. That's just straight up boring and demoralising. I tried Phosani's a few times, got my rectum rearranged each time but quite quickly lost motivation to go back because it feels like I'm just wasting time not actually playing the game due to the journey times. Inquisitor armour is some of the coolest looking armour in the game with paper defence like void. For something that's so hard to get it makes no sense as to why it's so useless. It's from one of the end-game bosses, it should be rivalling Bandos armour at the very least. All of that is before even talking about the ludicrous drop rates at Nightmare which obviously still need to be better than what they have already proposed. Reducing the drop rates but making the armour set actually useful enough to rival Bandos/Torva in some scenarios would be the ground I think people would be happy with.
every update from the smallest to the largest, the osrs community cries. Games been peaking and its been going on for 11+ years. I trust them when it comes to certain integrity changes. Love the Mods, the community for 99% of updates still vote so they do keep us for controlling a majority of the direction the game goes and i'm happy they also step up when the game needs dire attention.
jmods watch and read this you say? REACHABLE CUSTOMER SERVICE! SOME KIND OF MEANS OF REACHING YOU, WHEN A FALSE BAN HAPPENS, AND APPEALS ARE WRONGLY DENIED! SO LITTLE TO ASK, OTHERWISE, BOYCOTT JAGEX!!!
@@benjaminunruh7970 if you camp a boss for 6 months and dont get a drop, then you forgot to renew your membership. You shouldn't need to exaggerate so much to make your point.
@@benjaminunruh7970 you aren't, you are arguing with a functioning adult who has a job that he uses to pay his own rent. But that's too much to handle because you're an emotionally unstable child who can't have his opinions on video games questioned without having a panic attack.
Voidwaker - don't touch it!! Dupe protection - this should be applied everywhere, but only until your first set is complete. Then go back to normal drop mechanics. For irons - this prevents going abnormally dry at a single boss for a single set item, preventing burnout. For mains - this only affects them until the first set is complete. Sidenote for mains (bandos example) - for every main that is 30 bcps to 10 boots there is an opposite account that is 10 bcps to 30 boots. Full on dupe protection would bring these rare cases towards the mean.
Happy for Clipper. Jilly is actually wholesome, girl needs 3 lifelines like in who wants to be a millionaire though, some of her content is painfully slow. prolly just me tho.
i think dupe protection should go in on inquistors but only as an experiment to see how it feels its really the only late game armor set if could be tested on currently
Yeah the whole inq situation is weird. I'm an iron and I think ultimately drops should be rare enough they are rewarding but not so rare that they sap the life out of you (looking at you dwh and inquisitor) because if they're in the sweet spot it will still be rewarding to grind for a drop, it still will be a mystery which one youll get next but you wouldn't rather die than grind for an item. Perhaps look to the dt2 boss drop mechanics for vestiges? Anti dry mechanics> anti dupe mechanics.
Spec should be guaranteed on tekton like dragon warhammer is at very least. Or make it have an effect like tbow or shadow. Amazing inside chambers or kinda like tbow it’s great against high def monster or high crush def monsters
As someone who has made bills from merching, i put elder maul at 2-500m personally once everything has calmed down and the update comes out. Made 12b off them lmao.
@Jagex Mods, The Voidwaker is SUPPOSED to be OP. It’s supposed to mix things up in the wild. If you REALLY want to do something about the voidwaker then make a set of armor that isn’t impacted as much by the voidwaker special.
Voidwaker nerf is just pretty tragic and not a fan. Nerfing a BIS at high lvl TOA without any near improvement. But also understand wanting to expand the spec wep space… maybe nerf voidwaker when a new powerful item comes out?
Personally I don't understand why people have such a hard time considering dupe protection for sets that take potentially hundreds of hours to acquire. The way they did it for Perilous Moons is great, dupe protection until you have one of everything then it's business as usual. Green logging isn't as cheesy, irons hate themselves less, and it makes the grind feel more rewarding without the potential for despair after getting 3 dupes in a row.
makes me slightly nervous that these new integrity changes are not being polled, cus the reasoning and changes they are making stated in these blogs the jmods seems way out of touch holy moly
Evillucario grttin infernal in 10 attempts after not playing osrs is actually amazing. Hes nuts in rs3 i hope he keeps playing osrs to see what hes capable of in osrs
I don't love dupe protection... but there's so much content coming out it's hard for an average person to experience the content even if they "go on rate" for every drop. The game has grown from when those drop rates were designed. The theoretical length of the game just keeps getting longer and longer which is great for the sweats/streamers but daunting for new people/average people. I think some sort of general "going dry" protection should be figured out.
On average it would have exactly 0 effect on mains, aside from cloggers. Wouldn't you agree? I am not supporting the change necessarily, I just think your statement is pointless
@@patrickwomblecat8130 I can tell youre an iron because you dont see how this impacts mains massively. If I know my next drop at a boss is the least expensive piece why on earth would I continue killing it instead of going to another boss where im due a better item.
@@Greeey ooh that is a fair point actually. I did say on average, but I didn’t think about small sample sizes for individual people. I would guess the bosses these implementations are being suggested would be places where all the items are worth a fair amount. Either way, fair point. Just to use your wording - I can tell your a main because you only play to grind GP. ;P
Ancestral should be at 4% or give it some more accuracy bonus. ahirims is already close enough to ancestral as is and virtus is basically only gonna be used for barraging and inferno. You only get ancestral if you have a shadow and with the new changes coming to get the same dps you gotta bring more switches which is dumb.
Dupe protection for Ironmen would be dope, but only for bosses not for raids. With the amount of OSRS content out now you have to put in a metric fuckton of hours if you want best in slot in anything, personally I got my IM to a rly high lvl but never did a lot of the super end game content just because of how grindy drop chances, if dupe protection became a thing I would be more inclined to play the new bosses that I haven't even met in game. alternatively a good shout would be to lets the unique drops be like Vorkath head, once ur kc reaches the 1/X drop chance then you get the item in the next kill, again this would only be good for ironmen but it would be a light at the end of the tunnel for people who don't want to have to grind for a living.
Aren't the dt2 rings "sort of" in very small sense dupe protection? You roll the ring drop 3 times and you get the ring. Can take between 3-3000 kills, would be same for inquisitor etc
INCREASE NIGHTMARE drop table! It’s not worth doing the grind it’s just literally a resource drain and gives me no motivation to learn it and keep trying
as a sort of newer player going into the mid game, I recently started doing the moons of peril boss and I love the feeling of dupe protection and being able to fill out my collection log, but on the other hand I totally understand why its maybe unhealthy and definitely not the norm for OSRS, I'm not really sure how to feel about it in the end, thinking about it now it feels kind of silly that the moons have dupe protection considering the drop rates are lower than most other bosses, not really advocating for it, but I also dont mind if its on a few of the bosses
if they're going to cater to pures and make elder robes the same magic % damage as infinity or dagon'hai, they should've just added the piety scroll instead of polling it
I'm an iron and have been for like ten years, going dry can suck but it is what makes a drop so rewarding. Take that away and the feeling of accomplishment goes with it.
I think the only thing I have read that I really feel like Hagen should implement right away is something for an imbued heart… there should be a simple rule of thumb of no drop should be worth that amount of time to get like wtf
dupe prot is good for raids until one of everything on that table is obtained. getting 20 augury scrolls before a rigour would be gross. same with barrows dupe prot would be nice to not get 30 ahrims staffs before the body. besides a chest like loot table normal bosses should prob not be touched unless the drop rate is lowered.
I don't think people understand how quickly the game would become stale with dupe protection. Imagine all the shenanigans at barrows we would miss out on..
No dupe protection ffs.. This game is meant to make you feel like you win the lottery when you get the drop. Nothing at Phosani's is essential so why not just leave it as a fun bonus grind..
Dt2 bosses dry protection works in reverse, most people have to go 1.5x the drop rate to get ring drops, myself included. The hidden variable mechanic is an awful one
I hate the eternals. Its such a shit way to add magic damage to boots, instead of a new item that makes us stronger, it makes the shadow weaker if you don’t bring an item you didn’t need before.
Even with dupe protection it would still take 10s or 100s of hours to complete any log.. enough time to burn out on any content. Id vote yes on it for sure
I don’t get why people get so upset about drop changes… I’ve gone dry well above 2 to 3x the drop rate for things and I feel like if they were to make a change I would be all for it because I felt that going that dry for an item wasn’t fun and shouldn’t be forced onto anyone
its the sense that if everything is easy to get it holds no value its why alot of people dont play mains. if every drop is a 1/5 then nothing is exciting is the major point
any dupe protection goes against what osrs is.. when i completed moons on my iron it wasnt satisfying.. what they should do is dry protection at like 3x drop rate and make grinds not so insanly long as i think they forget most of the playerbase has a job to do
Dupe prot is meaningless. Mains can just buy whatever they want. Irons play for both the grind and the spoon. Just adjust the drop rates where it's needed and let rng be rng, it's why we play this game anyways.
Dupe protection should only exist for Evil Chicken outfit pieces
Just in general for clog items like crystal armor chest, larrans chest etc of which the uniques are practically worthless already
@@sander2723 fair, I agree with that. Collection log items that are part of a set with unreasonable drop rates.
And dusk mystic too please god damn im at 54m slayer xp with 3 dusk tops and nothing else im gonna lose my mind
Also how would you feel about dupe protection between Imbued Heart and Eternal Gem?
@@SolidMas900no those are not necessary. They are nice but not needed.
I’ll never understand why people overreact for a drop. Bro, chill. Some of these reactions are insanely cringe
Cringe works as far as engaging your chat in the moment.
Someone else being happy when you’re so sad is cringe bro I completely agree.
Shhhh.Let people enjoy things.
Wouldnt be so fun to watch someone who doesnt engage or "overreact" it would get very boring and stale qick and the viewers would move on, thats why many can never make it as a streamer or youtuber
Dumbass comment bro lol
I like the idea of dupe protection for nightmare, I may actually consider doing it if they buff the armor/provide areas where it’s useful. As an iron I will literally never do that content as it stands now because completing those tables is too time consuming for little net gain
fuck the streamers dupe protection absolutely needed for ppl with regular jobs
To be upset at dupe protection is literally the most janitorial thing I've ever heard of, stop it
Yeah its fine for an Ironman but only an Ironman… imagine going to bandos knowing your next drop will be bandos boots. That kind of sucks
Just learning about this blueowl fella, but the man has got that 70's rocker swag. I like it.
Thank you for using my Zulrah clip! I love watching my reaction back! First pet was HYPE!
Hi it's me the 3rd main doing zulrah, I want pet too 😂 awesome drop!!
@@ApexBrex Goodluck my brother! I might go back for my Tanz for greenlog!
Almost at rate omg omfg omg omg
@@Free_BMJ The excitement is because I was doing 100-200 Zulrah a day for 2 weeks m8 :P No need to be an ass
@@koreyhighness Im trying for tanz too i got mutagen twice ):
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Bro what. I LOVE dupe protection. For the first set it makes perfect sense and it's reassuring to know about, you can still go miserably dry or crazy lucky, but the dupe protection just removes the worst part of grinding that nobody enjoys.
Every set after the first? I don't care. Keep it the same or keep the dupe protection I can see an argument for both, but to me that first set is the most important to feel good about. Bad dry streaks ruin the experience of the content ino
Imagine how op that would be if dupe protection worked at barrows.
pls. barrows sux so bad
Would be bad for tob I got 2 scythes early
Would be if I didn't already green log it at 1500 chests man the dupes were annoying
This needs to happen omfg, the only drops i get now being 16/25 collection log at barrows on my iron is damn dupes, its a miracle to get a unique....
21 items in only 2 dupes at 300 kc so I mean, I essentially have that lmao
"I want to get into golf, but I have a truck" hahaha
I mean I do appreciate that Jagex have decided that integrity changes should be unpolled, and I honestly have faith in Jagex that if something is off balance in the game, that they'll listen to feedback, I mean it's the only game where there's not only a vote poll, but also surveys asking for more specific feedback on major updates.
I don’t care either way on dupe protection personally, but what does bother me is that this is what was proposed instead of a real solution to the horrendous droprates at Nightmare. Even with the buffs, it will be very niche and have very few use cases, and even with the minor droprate improvements and dupe protection it will still take longer than Torva to acquire. Why?
Dupe protection is good for collection logger/ironman accounts and helps prevent gold farming/botting bosses over n over like nightmare for example but that being said it absolutely has no place being used everywhere, the game is a grind afterall. A good way to do it would be to offer dupe protection until a set is complete then just ffa from there, like nightmare orbs for example: you would recieve 1 of each type before being able to roll them randomly.
some bosses also serve more of a gp grind aswell where as places like nightmare no one is really doing for gp unless they are a bot so why not throw dupe protection on something as niche as that where it helps collection loggers/irons but doesnt mess with gp gains of mains (because they got a ton of better options if they are just after the gp)
Evil Chicken outfit dupe protection
@@FedadOSRS "Helps cloggers/irons" = makes the game easier. Fuck that
they do become random after sets are complete thats the entire point is to lessen pointless grinds from dryness and to allow mains to get the same effect they already get while saving thousands of hours for other accounts. i dont support it, i have an iron with tbow, scythe, shadow blorva pretty much every pvm gear bc im a gamer and i was fine with my dupes and so was my main they gets them. just be a man and get the drop people are so soft these days and cant handle adversity and it shows every day more and more
@@dontbeonlinehero I don't support it being used everywhere but dupe protection on niche mid level content (nightmare, barrows, moons, etc) would help a ton of players progress more to end game. 100% should NOT be used at raids, dt2 bosses, etc
Cha cha... Storry abaut zammy here.. Got my spear on 227 kc. Got 2 steam staffs, and 3 shards. (steam staffs have same drop rate as spear and each shard is 7x time more rare). And I did it all with melee set up. That was hell
Leave dupe protection for people who want it, just allow mains to disable it if they want as well. Suppose it existed for virtus armor, I would not appreciate dupe protection to guarantee the next piece I get is a virtus mask when I could have rolled the body or bottoms
People play a game known for luck-based / extremely long grinds and then complain when they have to do said extremely long grind
what is wasting my time an what is respecting it?
I could see the mega rare elder maul almost hitting 800mil+
If they can send out one news letter and create such a price increase than I never want to hear anyone complain about bots farming and lowering prices on items 😂 they bot for months and months and only swing items by less than 10m if even. The voidwaker didn't crash due to bots..that was the Jagex nerf talks that dropped from 130m to 80m in hours 😂 now look at the maul 😅
Should introduce a coffer & if you hit a dupe it will reroll it for a set amount. Should be a hefty price tag.
dupe protection has imo indeed not an osrs feel to it. i agree with the statement shown in the video while tasty was talking about it, because the only thing gegex did wrong with the nightmare are the droprates, they're too rare. And dupe protection only makes it worse. The first proposed change in the rebalance blog, in which they said the droprates would be effectively halved, is still a good idea. Dupe protection is not. And I bet there are way more people agreeing with me/us, even ironmen.
I like dupe protection.
Could make every piece of gear worth about the same price.
Such as rigour. Imagine having to get all Cox drops to get another scroll.
Jagex "we hate that this OP magic necklace is only 800k" here have this update PROPSOAL that caused a 70m item swing on the maul.
It's quite clear they must have a lot of metric data on p2p bond players. Get those credit cards ready or prepare to sink hours into raids as the G.E inflation about to pop off.
5:37
Voidwaker: NO NO NO NO NO
Dupe protection: There is no good reason to add dupe protection and nobody wants it. They should improve the drop rate instead. Like maybe adding multiple drop rolls?
imo, dupe protection should only be applied for items that either have an essentiality to their utility(i.e Vorkath Head), or serve as a symbol/trophy to an achievement(i.e Scroll Sack).
I get that some items are insanely hard to get relative and to their usefulness, and would be kinda redundent to go for as an account progression without a dupe protection(thus making them sorta dead content).
But at the same time, rarity is part of the game and also choice. If someone chose to go for a full Mystic Dusk set - sure, dupe protection would make the grind much faster and easier, but it will also make this accomplishment so much less special.
The a roll of a die.
The hopeful but naive assessment of a grind's length.
The shining beam of bliss when getting spooned.
The torturing pain of going dry.
The mentally empowering commitment of "going for it, whatever it takes".
The faded glimmer of hope, sometimes even after being more than 3x the drop rate, thousands of kc into the grind.
Getting the drop, completing the set, greening the log.
it's a jouney - both an essential part of your character's story within the micro-cosmos of this game and your mental fortitude outside of it.
When other games are completed in 100 hours you have to consider that dupe protection creates a minimum time for completion which is much better for the longevity of the game. consider this right, there are 3 mega rares at cox, and it normally takes lets be generous and say 400 kc for 1. if you do 3 raids every night after work with the homies, you're still looking at 4 months to get that drop, and you could get the wrong one. multiple times? but why would you do that when you could play and beat a whole brand new game, rather than try and get let down. like our lives let us down enough right. its not fair if video games do it too.
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Dupe protection should not exist period. The game was not created for ironmen. When the mode was first introduced they specifically said content would not be created or adjusted to cater to those who chose to play on a restricted account. Since then it seems like every other update was created with QoL in mind for iron accounts. It’s ridiculous tbh…
They should be listening to Ash on this one. Whenever an iron asks for changes to make their life easier, he tells them to de-iron.
It might not be entirely the same, but we already had some kind of dupe protection in the game. Bludgeon pieces, Brimstone ring pieces, Fortis Colosseum armour, Armadyl piecies, and Bandos pieces (for Masori/Torva), Moons of Peril, etc.
If we go on a deeper level in some games like Fishing Trawler, we have dupe protection for skilling outfits.
I'm an iron player with thousand of KC at PNM. I've wasted thousands of brews there. Currently, I have 4 NM staffs, 1 Eldritch orb, and that's all (no armour pieces).
This update would change nothing for me so far. On the bright side it would give me some more motivation to go there.
It's also not like you need inq armor though. It's bis only at nightmare. So unless you're an iron and have no job quit wasting time
womp womp, you chose to be an ironman
2 years ago none of this dupe protection bs existed except for bludgeon and brimstone ring. Also not sure what you mean armadyl and bandos, you can get dupes for both of those along with masori and torva before completing a set.
Mains are the biggest cry babies in the game. Meanwhile mains are ruining game through RWT, merching, gambling and botting.
@@benjaminr8229 lmao, this game was made for "mains" and all of those things have existed a lot longer than iron meme mode. as a high level main account i think ironman mode has ruined the game a lot more... all of the drops are resource drops now because ironmen just seem to always need it easier..... But like i said this game is an MMO not a solo ironman game mode only lol. you are probably stuck at 100 cb on your iron and cant get any drops...
They should just leave the voidwaker alone, it serves its purpose as one of the end game spec weapons sitting alongside claws and ZCB. They worked so hard to deliver a great wilderness boss re-work that increased activity by giving PVMers a good reason to go into the wilderness. If they go ahead with the proposed voidwaker change, it won't be nearly as useful so the price will tank which in turn means we'll start to see a decline in activity. There's many other weapons that they need to be looking at other than the voidwaker right now.
Dupe Protection is something I'm really not a fan of - the RNG of getting a drop is what makes this game what it is and if we start adding in built-in rules for specific drops then it takes an element of that away. Firstly they should make the boss teleport to Nightmare tradeable or something. Nobody wants to spend 2 minutes running to the boss, getting slapped up like a bitch, then having to run 2 minutes back to pick up your stuff, then teleporting to bank and spend a few minutes re-gearing, to have to run another 2 minutes back to the boss. That's just straight up boring and demoralising. I tried Phosani's a few times, got my rectum rearranged each time but quite quickly lost motivation to go back because it feels like I'm just wasting time not actually playing the game due to the journey times. Inquisitor armour is some of the coolest looking armour in the game with paper defence like void. For something that's so hard to get it makes no sense as to why it's so useless. It's from one of the end-game bosses, it should be rivalling Bandos armour at the very least.
All of that is before even talking about the ludicrous drop rates at Nightmare which obviously still need to be better than what they have already proposed. Reducing the drop rates but making the armour set actually useful enough to rival Bandos/Torva in some scenarios would be the ground I think people would be happy with.
I think they should either do the dupe protection or make the drops more common. Not both, pick one.
There should be a dupe protection setting for ironman accounts only that they can turn on or off. No need to force Dupe protection on EVERYONE.
every update from the smallest to the largest, the osrs community cries. Games been peaking and its been going on for 11+ years. I trust them when it comes to certain integrity changes. Love the Mods, the community for 99% of updates still vote so they do keep us for controlling a majority of the direction the game goes and i'm happy they also step up when the game needs dire attention.
jmods watch and read this you say? REACHABLE CUSTOMER SERVICE! SOME KIND OF MEANS OF REACHING YOU, WHEN A FALSE BAN HAPPENS, AND APPEALS ARE WRONGLY DENIED! SO LITTLE TO ASK, OTHERWISE, BOYCOTT JAGEX!!!
worst thing about osrs is how the devs are not allowed to dev, players dont know their ass from a whole in the ground
I am kind of tired of streamers who play 3k hours a year telling us what drops rates should be tbh...
im tired of people who haven't made it to 2k total yet telling us what drop rates should be
@janitorizamped took me 4 years to get 2k total which I don't mind but still shouldn't have to camp a boss for 6 months and not even have a drop
@@benjaminunruh7970 if you camp a boss for 6 months and dont get a drop, then you forgot to renew your membership. You shouldn't need to exaggerate so much to make your point.
@janitorizamped oh i forgot I am arguing with a childless NEET my mistake have a good day
@@benjaminunruh7970 you aren't, you are arguing with a functioning adult who has a job that he uses to pay his own rent. But that's too much to handle because you're an emotionally unstable child who can't have his opinions on video games questioned without having a panic attack.
Voidwaker - don't touch it!!
Dupe protection - this should be applied everywhere, but only until your first set is complete. Then go back to normal drop mechanics. For irons - this prevents going abnormally dry at a single boss for a single set item, preventing burnout. For mains - this only affects them until the first set is complete. Sidenote for mains (bandos example) - for every main that is 30 bcps to 10 boots there is an opposite account that is 10 bcps to 30 boots. Full on dupe protection would bring these rare cases towards the mean.
2:32 I'm wondering how sushi can beat the inferno waves but not Zuk
Happy for Clipper.
Jilly is actually wholesome, girl needs 3 lifelines like in who wants to be a millionaire though, some of her content is painfully slow. prolly just me tho.
i think dupe protection should go in on inquistors but only as an experiment to see how it feels its really the only late game armor set if could be tested on currently
There should be a Soup quest plugin that sends you in the wrong direction
Yeah the whole inq situation is weird. I'm an iron and I think ultimately drops should be rare enough they are rewarding but not so rare that they sap the life out of you (looking at you dwh and inquisitor) because if they're in the sweet spot it will still be rewarding to grind for a drop, it still will be a mystery which one youll get next but you wouldn't rather die than grind for an item. Perhaps look to the dt2 boss drop mechanics for vestiges? Anti dry mechanics> anti dupe mechanics.
Leave the voidwaker alone and give the elder maul a special crush attack that nearly ignores defence.
What’s the point of defence if we just gonna make weapons ignore defence lol
Spec should be guaranteed on tekton like dragon warhammer is at very least. Or make it have an effect like tbow or shadow. Amazing inside chambers or kinda like tbow it’s great against high def monster or high crush def monsters
my first spear on the iron was 680 kc, i had 6 staves before it, my dude out here crying cause he didnt get it by 58, ahyes
Dupe protection sucks is bad, reasonable droprates are good.
As someone who has made bills from merching, i put elder maul at 2-500m personally once everything has calmed down and the update comes out. Made 12b off them lmao.
Elder maul spec should remain bis but have a unique effect, not just outclass DWH to a tee
Either apply dupe protection to all items of the same rarity from drop tables or remove it entirely.
It doesn’t make sense to make it exclusive.
@Jagex Mods, The Voidwaker is SUPPOSED to be OP. It’s supposed to mix things up in the wild. If you REALLY want to do something about the voidwaker then make a set of armor that isn’t impacted as much by the voidwaker special.
Did those lurers cap pip? It’s been a while…..
Your Home.Com ad. I would never go to their website. Their ad literally stated they are way too chaotic to contract with.
no to dupe protection theyre literally taking the good feeling away from drops. the only real reason we play this game is for those little thrills
If lucario gets anywhere close to how he played rs3 we about to have some sick clips here
Voidwaker nerf is just pretty tragic and not a fan. Nerfing a BIS at high lvl TOA without any near improvement. But also understand wanting to expand the spec wep space… maybe nerf voidwaker when a new powerful item comes out?
Hyped for the 1/3k going for another one soon I've done the 1/5k grind on different accounts 3 times now lol
I like dupe protection, I play RS for fun but don't have a ton of time to play. Getting 6 of one item while doing 1000s of kills is ridiculous.
I’m an iron going for inquis soon. Don’t do dupe protection
and change the VW for pvp only leave it how it is for pvm that’s how it should be
Personally I don't understand why people have such a hard time considering dupe protection for sets that take potentially hundreds of hours to acquire. The way they did it for Perilous Moons is great, dupe protection until you have one of everything then it's business as usual. Green logging isn't as cheesy, irons hate themselves less, and it makes the grind feel more rewarding without the potential for despair after getting 3 dupes in a row.
makes me slightly nervous that these new integrity changes are not being polled, cus the reasoning and changes they are making stated in these blogs the jmods seems way out of touch holy moly
Evillucario grttin infernal in 10 attempts after not playing osrs is actually amazing. Hes nuts in rs3 i hope he keeps playing osrs to see what hes capable of in osrs
7:15 Military vet here, can confirm most service members live off tobacco and energy drinks and stay very active lol
Coffee mug
Active military here; can deny, most service members are definitely not running everyday
@@GizzyPope you must be Air Force then so that doesnt count. Sit
@@tie1onoutdoors weird to call out Air Force first when navy has the highest obesity rate.
@@GizzyPope Did I strike a cord? Are you a little chair force man?
dupe protection only if I have too many cheap dupes, dupe protection off if I'm super lucky and get back to back shadows
Oh snap, i made it onto behemeth I got popped with blue owl in that hard mode lololol the Justice Academy!!!
I don't love dupe protection... but there's so much content coming out it's hard for an average person to experience the content even if they "go on rate" for every drop. The game has grown from when those drop rates were designed. The theoretical length of the game just keeps getting longer and longer which is great for the sweats/streamers but daunting for new people/average people. I think some sort of general "going dry" protection should be figured out.
pity kinda sucks too
Dupe protection is catering to irons at its finest.
sounds great bitch
On average it would have exactly 0 effect on mains, aside from cloggers. Wouldn't you agree? I am not supporting the change necessarily, I just think your statement is pointless
@@patrickwomblecat8130 I can tell youre an iron because you dont see how this impacts mains massively. If I know my next drop at a boss is the least expensive piece why on earth would I continue killing it instead of going to another boss where im due a better item.
How are you thinking that this doesn’t have an effect on mains?
It legit only adversely affects mains from what im understanding??
@@Greeey ooh that is a fair point actually. I did say on average, but I didn’t think about small sample sizes for individual people. I would guess the bosses these implementations are being suggested would be places where all the items are worth a fair amount. Either way, fair point.
Just to use your wording - I can tell your a main because you only play to grind GP. ;P
Ancestral should be at 4% or give it some more accuracy bonus. ahirims is already close enough to ancestral as is and virtus is basically only gonna be used for barraging and inferno. You only get ancestral if you have a shadow and with the new changes coming to get the same dps you gotta bring more switches which is dumb.
Ironman here. No to dupe protection please. Part of the game and makes that roll even more rewarding
Leave the void waker alone. Don’t do due protection, just make the drops rates reasonable. Plain and simple.
the drop rates at barrows are pretty reasonable right?
Dupe protection for Ironmen would be dope, but only for bosses not for raids.
With the amount of OSRS content out now you have to put in a metric fuckton of hours if you want best in slot in anything, personally I got my IM to a rly high lvl but never did a lot of the super end game content just because of how grindy drop chances, if dupe protection became a thing I would be more inclined to play the new bosses that I haven't even met in game.
alternatively a good shout would be to lets the unique drops be like Vorkath head, once ur kc reaches the 1/X drop chance then you get the item in the next kill, again this would only be good for ironmen but it would be a light at the end of the tunnel for people who don't want to have to grind for a living.
"There's dude who are in the military who smoke and run everyday" we also drink too 😂
sick bro u drink? looking for who asked
@dontbeonlinehero if you actually watched the vid, someone talked about it, prick
@@dontbeonlinehero the video douche
@@dontbeonlinehero aw, look at this crybaby 🤣
@@09asainskater09 wild response, still havent found who asked. low iq, military was good decision.
Faux in point. I smoke a cig before pt test then would celebrate a 14:30 2 mile with a cigarette
Aren't the dt2 rings "sort of" in very small sense dupe protection? You roll the ring drop 3 times and you get the ring. Can take between 3-3000 kills, would be same for inquisitor etc
INCREASE NIGHTMARE drop table! It’s not worth doing the grind it’s just literally a resource drain and gives me no motivation to learn it and keep trying
its sad but i only watch this channel now for the daily news
because 4:07 ? lol
as a sort of newer player going into the mid game, I recently started doing the moons of peril boss and I love the feeling of dupe protection and being able to fill out my collection log, but on the other hand I totally understand why its maybe unhealthy and definitely not the norm for OSRS, I'm not really sure how to feel about it in the end, thinking about it now it feels kind of silly that the moons have dupe protection considering the drop rates are lower than most other bosses, not really advocating for it, but I also dont mind if its on a few of the bosses
if they're going to cater to pures and make elder robes the same magic % damage as infinity or dagon'hai, they should've just added the piety scroll instead of polling it
I'm an iron and have been for like ten years, going dry can suck but it is what makes a drop so rewarding. Take that away and the feeling of accomplishment goes with it.
At least poll the voidwaker change!! We want our guaranteed damage spec >:(
nope bye bye vw
Ever just skip 10 seconds after someone screams.
I think the only thing I have read that I really feel like Hagen should implement right away is something for an imbued heart… there should be a simple rule of thumb of no drop should be worth that amount of time to get like wtf
dupe prot is good for raids until one of everything on that table is obtained. getting 20 augury scrolls before a rigour would be gross. same with barrows dupe prot would be nice to not get 30 ahrims staffs before the body. besides a chest like loot table normal bosses should prob not be touched unless the drop rate is lowered.
Dupe should only be implemented for irons, mains shouldn't have it that easy
Nightmare drop rates need to be lowered, and NO DUPE PROTECTION PLZ thank yew
i swear to god bro looks like his gargoyl pet
Hahahaha 😂 im a lazy gamer, thanks for sharing ❤
HAHAHAHAHAHAH STOP
6:21 😂😂😂
I don't think people understand how quickly the game would become stale with dupe protection. Imagine all the shenanigans at barrows we would miss out on..
Can't say I've ever cared about "barrows shenanigans"
We catering ti content creators now?
maaaaan you mean i wont go 45 dry for another verac helm and get that juicy skelly champ scroll? bummer.
@@TheKnodel12 what exactly are you watching this channel for?
@@Anotherhumanbean12345 Exactly, and if you didn’t how would we laugh at you about it.
No dupe protection ffs.. This game is meant to make you feel like you win the lottery when you get the drop. Nothing at Phosani's is essential so why not just leave it as a fun bonus grind..
Dupe protection is elite in Leagues/DMM but absolutely not required in the main game imo
MORE BLUE OWL. MY GOAT
i would be more into dry protection like the rings from dt2 bosses than i would be dupe prot personally
Dt2 bosses dry protection works in reverse, most people have to go 1.5x the drop rate to get ring drops, myself included. The hidden variable mechanic is an awful one
I hate the eternals. Its such a shit way to add magic damage to boots, instead of a new item that makes us stronger, it makes the shadow weaker if you don’t bring an item you didn’t need before.
Even with dupe protection it would still take 10s or 100s of hours to complete any log.. enough time to burn out on any content. Id vote yes on it for sure
Thanks Behe! - Adsy
Yes to dupe protection but make void armour random.
I don’t get why people get so upset about drop changes… I’ve gone dry well above 2 to 3x the drop rate for things and I feel like if they were to make a change I would be all for it because I felt that going that dry for an item wasn’t fun and shouldn’t be forced onto anyone
It's pretty much people's mentality that I suffered that grind and you have to too.
I dont mind those kinds of grinds because when you actually get the drop the dopamine boost is just that much higher that its worth it for me 😂
its the sense that if everything is easy to get it holds no value its why alot of people dont play mains.
if every drop is a 1/5 then nothing is exciting is the major point
any dupe protection goes against what osrs is.. when i completed moons on my iron it wasnt satisfying.. what they should do is dry protection at like 3x drop rate and make grinds not so insanly long as i think they forget most of the playerbase has a job to do
Dupe prot is meaningless. Mains can just buy whatever they want. Irons play for both the grind and the spoon. Just adjust the drop rates where it's needed and let rng be rng, it's why we play this game anyways.
Thanks Behe!
F the dupe protection just make the drops wayyy more common it’s like 6 kills on hour.
Faux's right as hell though xD ... Smoking/Vaping shouldnt prevent you from running - not running will lol
best osrs players should be scared! evil lukario is a fucking beast when it comes to pvm.
Please god dont nerf the voidwaker and hell no to dupe protection 😢