This was Jaedong at his absolute prime for his ZvT matchup. It was incredible how he dismantled every Terran he faced in 2011(including Flash). Although his other two matchups declined considerably by then he was still a force to be reckoned with.
Nice play by Fantasy, using mines and Vultures as buffers and Tanks in siege mode to hold the horde at bay. He'd use the Map's big open space for that. if only he'd just a little more Goliaths.
I am a normal zerg player...and men, its a heavy weak hard for every corner manage race. I lost almost 70% games, and i am not noob noob, i am a regular player....the quantiti of terran and protos cheeses,the op in early game...deam. But jaedong is a beast really.
Depends on the variety of your strategies to take advantage from others. Zerg is a really special race because you can create different types of hordes to ambush the Terran defense or even the Protoss powerful attack.
wow! I wish Jaedong would play like that against Flash, he always seems to give up before he's even started against Flash... This games shows me the Tyrant is still as strong as ever! Good game Jaedong!
@UpliftingRafal Where did this imba talk all of a sudden come from? Flash is winning that much because he's that good. Other Terrans aren't doing quite as well.
Rooting for Jaedong. He (And zerg in General) have had a tough time lately. And his team is terrible. And Broodwar isn't the same without Jaedong ripping people apart. So I put my Terran bias away for a while a root for a zerg.
terran is the most unforgiving of mistakes, like widow mines, stimming at wrong time, tank positioning and vulture control, make a mistake and you lose a lot of stuff and maby...the game, although mass BCs make things feal better
ye this game wasnt balanced... people adapted to it and still people complaing about the 54% winrate in Sc2... Sc2 is closer to perfect balance then broodwar but broodwars gameplay was way more entertaining and fun.
***** no it was not... the difference was that the game were all entertaining while in sc2 the matches are less entertaining and more frustrating. For example as terran vs P its not lilke 60% winrate for protoss its like 53% for protoss thats more balanced then the Winrate in broodwar but still in broodwar you could still win because of harder mechanics outplay lesser good players in sc2 its way harder as terran yxou have to be constant aggresive even tho its most of the time not worth it. Its just good gamedesign vs bad game design (sc2)
+Sword1471 Yes. People think that unequal winrates automatically imply imbalance between races. This is not neccessarily the case. Lets say f.e. the top ten terran players have two players that outclass everyone, and the other two races each have two players in their top ten that can't compete with the rest. Lets also assume that the advantage for these two terran players derives from advanced stratetegies (game knowledge) instead of motor skill (speed, accuracy, etc.), then their playstyle will inevitably be copied by all terran players. Very soon there will be unequal winrates, making it seem like terran is being favored on all maps except for those that a) favor the other races, or b) have not been figured out by the majority of terrans. Then Blizzard steps in and nerfs the terran race in some way, winrates get closer to being even, and it seems like the balance issue has been resolved. Or has it? No, it hasn't. In fact the game is now more imbalanced than it was before. And why did that happen? Because of this harmful misconception that winrates equal balance.
@vicioso82 Dark swarm? LOL Dark swarm is not that good at professional level, because pros will just stim the MnM and move them out of the swarm, then irradiate the defiler. Swarm happens again? Repeat. If Dark Swarm lands on an expo, do the same thing, except you can freaking lift the command center, but Protoss can't even lift off their nexus like bastard Terrans can. And the reason why Jaedong dominated so hard was because he was a better player despite playing an imbalanced matchup
@EziixPked BW is NOT completely balanced. Sure, it's pretty balanced, but TvZ in BW is still pretty imbalanced. Look at how badly JD dominated early+mid game, and Fantasy almost came back by just massing tanks and planting mines and defending. Tanks need to be 3 supply, SCVs life should NOT be 60, Vultures should not come with 3 mines and only cost 75 minerals, Metal Upgrades SHOULD be proportional, T flying buildings give too much advantage, etc. Terran is a fucking joke.
observers please focus more on the most important stuff u missed 2 drops on tanks and a vulture arras over some transfering drones looking at somewhere else less important but good job though
![SPL [1.28] Flying (Woongjin) vs Jaedong (8th) 5set / Outlier](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/2hFvxY81M1E/mqdefault.jpg)
이종족에서 저그가 이기는 게임은 항상 재밌는 것 같습니다.
This was Jaedong at his absolute prime for his ZvT matchup. It was incredible how he dismantled every Terran he faced in 2011(including Flash). Although his other two matchups declined considerably by then he was still a force to be reckoned with.
If you would compare, JyJ is still in the same spot versus Zerg. Just as Flash was. Things haven't changed a whole lot.
Jaedong was so good in his prime days, wow what a game!
Hero Lurker at 34:17 charged the siege tanks under dark swarm and lined up 5 kills, he must have been really happy!
Nice play by Fantasy, using mines and Vultures as buffers and Tanks in siege mode to hold the horde at bay. He'd use the Map's big open space for that. if only he'd just a little more Goliaths.
Damn, I thought for sure there was no way that Jaedong could break that supermassive siege line O_O. #1 Zerg, fuckin love this guy.
I am a normal zerg player...and men, its a heavy weak hard for every corner manage race. I lost almost 70% games, and i am not noob noob, i am a regular player....the quantiti of terran and protos cheeses,the op in early game...deam. But jaedong is a beast really.
Depends on the variety of your strategies to take advantage from others. Zerg is a really special race because you can create different types of hordes to ambush the Terran defense or even the Protoss powerful attack.
34:09 위쪽탱크더있어요~~~!!!
The King has returned.
Jaedong is such a god. I don't think much Z players can easily smash that friggen 3-2 Siege Tank line like that without the use of air.
Jaedong was the Zerg Slayer's Boxer.
wow! I wish Jaedong would play like that against Flash, he always seems to give up before he's even started against Flash... This games shows me the Tyrant is still as strong as ever! Good game Jaedong!
Tas loco. A flash le ha ganado muchas veces. Hasta finales le ha ganado.
it feels like jaedong is toying with him. Jaedong let fantasy get away with a lot of stuff but jaedong realize in the mid game that he's going to win.
4:20 Yup I think I'm in the mood for a Chicken Bowl. I might head to Yoshinoya right now
Fantasy's "t" key got stuck at some point in the game, I think. Or he just totally lost it.
판은못읽어도 온게임넷의영원한누나 정소림
그래도 이 누나가 여성 캐스터중에 제일 잘하지 않았나?
캐스터가 판을 왜읽음
@@ac-dr1nw여성캐스터 정소림 이현주 밖에 없지 않나요 그나마도 이현주는 잘 안보였고
ㅕㅐ
ㅗㅕㅕㅎ
true ! i`m just saying protoss isn`t helpless to the swarms and has many counters ;)
@UpliftingRafal Where did this imba talk all of a sudden come from? Flash is winning that much because he's that good. Other Terrans aren't doing quite as well.
Prob the best game I have ever seen so far
So even. Give me a note if you know of any other good matches. Love Zerg vs Terran.
oh Jaedong, why did it take you so long... You used to be #1
피지컬이 극강인 저그가 얼마나 무서운지를 잘 보여주는 경기다.
테란 압살맵에서 이정도면 잘한거지
저저 17승 3패 승률 85퍼 미쳤네
Terran has firebat, tanks splash damage irradiate, yamato gun and mines to counter the swarm man...
This is 재동!
JAEDONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
O absolutly enjoy watching Jaedongs Zerg play. I was fking good but this guy is a level higher
3대0 상황에서 노스포3햇 와 ㅋㅋ
jaedong is so fcking good, makes zerg look good
Rooting for Jaedong. He (And zerg in General) have had a tough time lately. And his team is terrible. And Broodwar isn't the same without Jaedong ripping people apart.
So I put my Terran bias away for a while a root for a zerg.
The best times of KESPA.
Game starts 3:06
JD vs Fanta
34:00
toss has reavers, storms and more melee units to counter the swarms
김명운이었으면 상대가 저렇게 탱크위주일 때 뮤탈or퀸을 섞고 이영호였다면 터렛을 센터에 도배했을듯
김명운보다 이제동이 더 잘하는데 뭘 비교해 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
저때 이제동. 정명훈 상대 7연승 이영호 상대 5연승중이었던건 알고 하는 말인가 ㅋㅋ
하지만 김택용한테 5연패중이었다지 깜짝럴커로 1승 챙긴게 유일했었고 저 시즌이 여로모로 좀 아쉽긴했지
각 선수들 스타일을 말한건데 당시 이제동이 최고였다고 거품을 물어버리네ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
@@솜털구름날아라 그러게 답이없네 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ 내가 하고 싶은 말을 해주네
Jaedong fears nobody but bisu
그냥 갓갓갓 이다
궁극의 저그다.진짜 저그스럽다.최고의 저그다.
올킬직전이라 이제동이 무리를 안하네. 노스포닝3햇 이후로는 거의 안전하게만 게임하려고 하는구만
@anvilnose wait a minute.. i said that before i watched the game, waht the hell are you talking about? Fantasy wasn't on 1 base
i bardzo dobrze : )
great game
폭군의 위엄이다 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
@SpartanG600
spam rightclicks on a unit will make your scv attack faster.
@SpartanG600 everyone knows that.... you spam with your mouse on anything you attack ( can take out a marine even :) )
Dang!! That play back looks Epic whats it called?? I got to see it!! :D Thanks!
레메 막는 법 없는 줄 알았는데 되는구나..
What the fuck man....tank and mine fest. I LOVE YOU JD!
huh? there hasnt been a balancing pathc in forever
Nice match :P
저 탱크 지옥을 뚫다니....
terran is the most unforgiving of mistakes, like widow mines, stimming at wrong time, tank positioning and vulture control, make a mistake and you lose a lot of stuff and maby...the game, although mass BCs make things feal better
Dreadnought O.o unless those mass BC's are plagued then pooped on by some mutts or even dark swarm n dras
Lol mass bc? Noob
이제동 와
ye this game wasnt balanced... people adapted to it and still people complaing about the 54% winrate in Sc2... Sc2 is closer to perfect balance then broodwar but broodwars gameplay was way more entertaining and fun.
*****
no it was not...
the difference was that the game were all entertaining while in sc2 the matches are less entertaining and more frustrating.
For example as terran vs P its not lilke 60% winrate for protoss its like 53% for protoss thats more balanced then the Winrate in broodwar but still in broodwar you could still win because of harder mechanics outplay lesser good players in sc2 its way harder as terran yxou have to be constant aggresive even tho its most of the time not worth it.
Its just good gamedesign vs bad game design (sc2)
+Sword1471
Yes. People think that unequal winrates automatically imply imbalance between races. This is not neccessarily the case.
Lets say f.e. the top ten terran players have two players that outclass everyone, and the other two races each have two players in their top ten that can't compete with the rest. Lets also assume that the advantage for these two terran players derives from advanced stratetegies (game knowledge) instead of motor skill (speed, accuracy, etc.), then their playstyle will inevitably be copied by all terran players. Very soon there will be unequal winrates, making it seem like terran is being favored on all maps except for those that a) favor the other races, or b) have not been figured out by the majority of terrans.
Then Blizzard steps in and nerfs the terran race in some way, winrates get closer to being even, and it seems like the balance issue has been resolved.
Or has it?
No, it hasn't. In fact the game is now more imbalanced than it was before. And why did that happen? Because of this harmful misconception that winrates equal balance.
Very Serious thats why blizzard should wait with patching the game for a couple months to see if the community finds something out to counter it.
@vicioso82
Dark swarm? LOL Dark swarm is not that good at professional level, because pros will just stim the MnM and move them out of the swarm, then irradiate the defiler. Swarm happens again? Repeat.
If Dark Swarm lands on an expo, do the same thing, except you can freaking lift the command center, but Protoss can't even lift off their nexus like bastard Terrans can.
And the reason why Jaedong dominated so hard was because he was a better player despite playing an imbalanced matchup
벌쳐, 마인은 진짜 사기긴 하네
Bien Jaedongg
I don't understand why someone never close his mouth, always keep it open.
초반15분동안 정명훈 손이 덜풀린건지 마린메딕 양이 너무 적었음. 이제동이 잘한것도 잘한건데 테란 물량이 평소보다 덜나옴
앞에 3경기를 연달아했는데 손이 덜풀릴리가...
3연승 했는데 손이 덜 풀렸??
게임만 봣나봄 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
@EziixPked
BW is NOT completely balanced. Sure, it's pretty balanced, but TvZ in BW is still pretty imbalanced. Look at how badly JD dominated early+mid game, and Fantasy almost came back by just massing tanks and planting mines and defending.
Tanks need to be 3 supply, SCVs life should NOT be 60, Vultures should not come with 3 mines and only cost 75 minerals, Metal Upgrades SHOULD be proportional, T flying buildings give too much advantage, etc.
Terran is a fucking joke.
this was about the toss
flawless
observers please focus more on the most important stuff u missed 2 drops on tanks and a vulture arras over some transfering drones looking at somewhere else less important but good job though
beastly
I hate how they get out of the game so early
25:40 one lucky zergling
이제동 굳!
와 일본 돕기 있는거 보니까 11년인가 보네
2011-03-20 경기
마인 씹사기 15분전에 끝나야 될경기가 질질끌려
터렛좀더짓지
anticipation = Jaedong
아즈텍이 3인용 맵에 센터도 넓어서 레메반땅이 좀 어려운거 같네요
메이플 캡틴 설청비 일단 먹을수있는자원이 넘적음..
아즈텍이 테란발라먹는 맵이라...
정명훈이 막판에 정신줄을 놓은건가 무슨 시즈탱크를 다 끌고 올라가서
3시안먹으면 가망없으니까 ㅋㅋ
@@축신황가드-y1v그래도 마인 박고 터렛 깔면서 천천히 올라가야지
정명훈 바이오닉은 한없이 약해보인다
2023년 그는 바이오닉 조차도 증명했다.
해설들 더럽게 상황파악 못하네 해설자격이 없는데 해설 둘 다 토스 출신이라 그런가 이 판은 처음부터 끝까지 이제동이 갖고 논 판인데
정명훈이 3시 먹으면 할만했음. 상황이 3시 먹기가 힘들어서 그런거지. 그리고 해설 입장에서는 가능성과 시나리오를 제시하는게 당연한거임.
와 경기력 개미쳤네 진짜 이거 입스타 아니냐? 씨발 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
epicccc
일본지진피해돕기 ㅋㅋㅋ ㅅㅂ 저당시에 우리엄마가 일본새끼들 왜돕냐고 했는데 ㅋㅋㅋ
dun think zerg dunoe def.. turtle terran? pehkk.. old strategy d..
명훈 이즈 낫 영호
omg so savior like
마인이 정말 사기다. 진작에 끝날 게임을 마인으로만 저렇게 버텨내다니.
@@최정현-g9b 마인 씹사기
레이트 메카닉 너무 사기다..
사기를 이기는 그종족은 뭐임 ㅋㅋ
그 사기를 이기는 종족 상태가?
오른쪽 위에 지진피해 돕기 되게 불편하네
그래서 이경기 이제동이 역올킬했나요???
못했어요
Jaedomination
발 유 송
huh
테사기는 사실인듯. 75원짜리 벌처 마인으로 울트라 잡는거 보소.
@Montana ㅉㅉ
일본지진피해돕기 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 깨알
벌쳐 개사기
Suggestion, before you start watching turn off the volume.
Thank me later ;)
빅용욱 탱크가 저렇게 털리는데 막았다 이사람아 몸으로 폰치를 막는게 막은 거냐 에휴 편파
마인3개는 너무많아 한기 한개로 바꿔야돼
Too weak air defense of Terran
that's one big weakness of mech
박용욱 해설 진짜 못하네..
듣기싫은 해설 박용욱이요?
@vicioso82 "ge gay?" LOL learn English man
정명훈은 이제동한테 안되지
개소리 ㅋ
3's Music 뭔ㅋㅋㅋㅋ 프로리그 결승에서 이긴거 말고 뭐 했냐 정명훈이 이제동한텤ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
@@danielyoon2522 개소리 ㅋ
@@honyong3464 이제동한테 상성으로 약하잔아 임마 ㅎㅎ
그래도 상대전적은 8대5정도 되는걸로 아는데. 이정도면 선방했지
저그는 빨무 수준으로 자원 차이 심하고 테란은 온리탱크에서 벌쳐 뽑을 돈도 빠듯할 정도인데 해설은 너무 엄대엄으로 해서 노잼이네..
이때 일본지진피해 도왔네 ㅡㅡ
탱크밖에없는데 계속 울트라고집하네 뮤탈뽑으라고! 진작끝났겠고만
스타개초보티내시네 이미 메카닉업글과 뮤탈업글차이때문에 뒤늦게 뮤탈가봤자... 뮤탈3부대를 띄워도 골리앗6개 베슬2개에 지워지는데 ..댓글달지마삼그냥